My philosophy and it's similarity to unperversed Christianity.

[lifegazer]

2:2 Fulfil ye my joy, that ye be likeminded, having the same love, [being] of one accord, of one mind.

2:3 [Let] nothing [be done] through strife or vainglory; but in lowliness of mind let each esteem other better than themselves.

2:4 Look not every man on his own things, but every man also on the things of others.

2:5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:

2:6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God.

[Phillipians chapter 2, KJV]

My aim in this thread is to link as many biblical references as I can find which will support the notion that, like my philosophy, the bible aims to show that only God exists and that God is the life of all men = men are what God thinks that it is. I.e., there are no men... only the belief - had by God - in being man.

I'll be posting several such links like this to prove that:
(1) Man has misrepresented the words of the bible.
(2) My philosophy mirrors the words of the most revered 'man' in history - who said that he was One with God.

The purposes of this thread:
(1) To give more credibility to the bible - by clearing the dust.
(2) To give more credibility to my philosophy - by equating it to the words credited to a man who knew himself as God.

I expect the habitual moronic responses of course; but interesting facts await those that are sincere.
Thankyou.

[Lord Muck oGentry]

"I expect the habitual moronic responses of course"
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John 11:35.

[lifegazer]

Originally posted by Lord Muck oGentry
"I expect the habitual moronic responses of course"
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John 11:35.
"Jesus wept."

And?

[spectacle]

who says "ye"?

[Z]

While you're at it, you can provide proof that these words are all properly attributed, not made up along the way by a variety of sources; you can also show how accurate the Bible has been in the past, starting with why bats are actually a kind of bird, and where, exactly, the four corners of the Earth are located.

.....

This is actually kind of funny! Having exhausted science and real evidence, now he's gonna data-mine fictional sources to support his theology! Gentle Reader, rest your ribcage; this promises to be laugh-a-minute material!

.....

OK, Darren, all moronic sarcasm aside, will you do the same with the Qu'Ran, the Dhamapada, the Analects of Confucius, the Tao Te Ching, the Rg Veda, the Book of Aradia, the Old and New Testaments - both Christian O.T. and Hebrew arranged Torah? The Apocrypha? A full analysis of the recovered but rejected books of the Bible, as well? How far will you data-mine to find superficial evidence of God?

Somehow, I have a feeling that neither Darren's theology nor the Bible's accuracy will fare well in this debacle. Still, it beats shucking corn, so carry on!

[lifegazer]

Originally posted by spectacle
who says "ye"?
God.

4
There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;
5
One Lord, one faith, one baptism,
6
One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.
7
But unto every one of us is given grace according to the measure of the gift of Christ.
8
Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men.
9
(Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth?
10
He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things.)


... 13
Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:

[Ephesians 4, KJV]

[lifegazer]

Originally posted by zaayrdragon
OK, Darren, all moronic sarcasm aside, will you do the same with the Qu'Ran, the Dhamapada, the Analects of Confucius, the Tao Te Ching, the Rg Veda, the Book of Aradia, the Old and New Testaments - both Christian O.T. and Hebrew arranged Torah? The Apocrypha? A full analysis of the recovered but rejected books of the Bible, as well? How far will you data-mine to find superficial evidence of God?

I don't know alot about religion. I know enough to have observed that the Bhagavad Gita espoused the same 'philosophy' as Jesus.
At present - aside from knowing that the Buddha came short of the absolute truth (but wasn't far off) - I cannot give a verdict on the other religions.

Somehow, I have a feeling that neither Darren's theology nor the Bible's accuracy will fare well in this debacle. Still, it beats shucking corn, so carry on!
Don't be a tosspot all your life. The purpose of this thread is to link my philosophy to the most revered text on this planet. Your job is to argue that the text is not saying the same thing as my philosophy. Only a moron would revert to arguing about whether Jesus really existed or not, or suchlike.

[Z]

Originally posted by lifegazer
Don't be a tosspot all your life. The purpose of this thread is to link my philosophy to the most revered text on this planet. Your job is to argue that the text is not saying the same thing as my philosophy. Only a moron would revert to arguing about whether Jesus really existed or not, or suchlike.

A fictional character can say anything it likes, but that doesn't mean that any of it is truth.

If Jesus never existed, then any comparisons to your philosophy are irrelevant as well.

Might as well compare your philosophy to the teachings of Paul Muad'Dib.

[Beleth]

Originally posted by lifegazer
My aim in this thread is to link as many biblical references as I can find which will support the notion that, like my philosophy, the bible aims to show that only God exists and that God is the life of all men = men are what God thinks that it is. I.e., there are no men... only the belief - had by God - in being man.

I'll be posting several such links like this to prove that:
(1) Man has misrepresented the words of the bible.
(2) My philosophy mirrors the words of the most revered 'man' in history - who said that he was One with God.

Gen 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: ...
(i.e. God thinks that men look like Him, not that they are Him)

Gen 1:29 And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed,
("You", not "Myself")

Psa 8:4-5 What is man, that thou art mindful of him? and the son of man, that thou visitest him? For thou hast made him a little lower than the angels, ...
(And God is greater than the angels, therefore God is greater than men)


Sorry lg, the Bible is very clear that God and men are different things, and that God only thought of Himself as a man once - when He came to earth as Jesus.

[TragicMonkey]

What is it called when you read something and suspect it makes just as much sense read backwards?

Maybe it's these pills I'm taking.

[Yahweh]

Lifegazer,

What makes you think any useful information is revealed in the bible at all?

I dont mean to be condescending, but the bible is work of fiction, and more to the point a book written about a god which is probably completely alien to your own.

[arthwollipot]

My opinion is that there are a few good lessons to be had from the Bible. Mind you, there are also a whole pile of very, very, very bad ones.

[RandFan]

One man's "unperversed" (incorrupt?) Christianity is another man's sacrilege. Who decides what is "unperversed" and what is sacrilege?

Is it good for a man not to touch a woman? --1 Corinthians 7:1

Is it ok for Christians to have slaves? --Leviticus 25:44-46

Is it ok for men to have long hair? --1 Corinthians 11:14

Is it ok for women to speak in church? --1 Corinthians 14:34

And what about all of the glaring contradictions?

"Think not that I have come to send peace" --Matthew 10:34

"My peace I leave with you My peace I give unto you" --John 14:27

A comprehensive list (http://www.evilbible.com/contradictions.htm)

I don't think using the bible to demonstrate what is or isn't perverse is of any benefit.

[spectacle]

Originally posted by lifegazer
God.

4
There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;
5
One Lord, one faith, one baptism,
6
One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.
7
But unto every one of us is given grace according to the measure of the gift of Christ.
8
Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men.
9
(Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth?
10
He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things.)


... 13
Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:

[Ephesians 4, KJV]

i didnt know God spoke english? how did hebrew and greek speakers know what he was saying?

[Darat]

I see someone has already quoted it but I don’t think they highlighted the important ;) bit:


And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: ...

[Iacchus]

And what of the pragmatic God which manifests Himself in all things? Not so easy to pinpoint or, discount then.

[Mercutio]

Not easy (or even possible) to pinpoint, but as a result much easier to discount.

[Correa Neto]

Originally posted by lifegazer
2:3 [Let] nothing [be done] through strife or vainglory; but in lowliness of mind let each esteem other better than themselves.
[Phillipians chapter 2, KJV]
...snip...
I expect the habitual moronic responses of course; but interesting facts await those that are sincere.
Thankyou.
Don't be a tosspot all your life. ...snip... Only a moron would ...snip...

Some contradiction here... Ain't there something in the Bible abut being humble? And also against calling names?

Originally posted by lifegazer
I don't know alot about religion. I know enough to have observed that the Bhagavad Gita espoused the same 'philosophy' as Jesus.
At present - aside from knowing that the Buddha came short of the absolute truth (but wasn't far off) - I cannot give a verdict on the other religions.

More examples of contradictions and egocentrism.

Why not start looking for the parts that say you should dance with rattlesnakes?

[Upchurch]

Upon reading the title of this thread, I asked myself, "what is the point of this?" Fortunately, lifegazer actually tried to address that aspect:
Originally posted by lifegazer
The purposes of this thread:
(1) To give more credibility to the bible - by clearing the dust.
(2) To give more credibility to my philosophy - by equating it to the words credited to a man who knew himself as God. So, (1) you're going to give the bible credibility by comparing it to your philosophy and (2) you're going to give your philosophy credibility by comparing it to the bible. Trouble is, if neither one has any credibility, so this doesn't really acomplish anything other than show that the human capacity for finding meaning where there is none.

To quote myself (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?s=&postid=1870855077#post1870855077):
Actually, [the Bible] is a translation of a rewording of a transcribed oral history in which the narrator is quoting what people remembered Jesus saying.
This is how you propose to find legitimacy for your religion? Perhaps you should read it more carefully. Even if it is somehow accurate from the period, there are parts that do not agree with your philosophy:

John 1:9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God.

John 14:28 My Father is greater than I.

Luke 10:21 In that hour Jesus rejoiced in spirit, and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes: even so, Father; for so it seemed good in thy sight.
--only the unwise and imprudent can view these things, lifegazer? ;)

[uruk]

2:2 Fulfil ye my joy, that ye be likeminded, having the same love, [being] of one accord, of one mind.
I noticed you had to fudge "love" into "being" and add the "of one mind" to lead the reader to redefine "accord" inorder to make it compatable with your "philosophy". Shouldn't it be self evident? As for the rest of the quotes, I do not see how they refer to man and god as being the same thing.
2:3 [Let] nothing [be done] through strife or vainglory; but in lowliness of mind let each esteem other better than themselves. This seems to be saying something about being humble.
2:4 Look not every man on his own things, but every man also on the things of others. This seems to be saying something about ......? well, I don't know. What does it mean by "things"? Possesions? Actions? Thoughts? It's pretty vague without the context.2:5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: To me this says to be like or think like JC.
2:6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God. Pretty vague without the context. Does "robbery" mean the samething then as it does now? and robbery of what?

Oh well, I guess i really need to finnish reading the bible.

[RandFan]

Originally posted by Upchurch
So, (1) you're going to give the bible credibility by comparing it to your philosophy and (2) you're going to give your philosophy credibility by comparing it to the bible. Trouble is, if neither one has any credibility, so this doesn't really acomplish anything other than show that the human capacity for finding meaning where there is none. Not to mention the whole excercise is circular reasoning. A comparison is only valid if we have something that is agreed upon to use as a comparison.

Is "Y" credible? See "X".
Is "X" credible? See "Y".

Try it this way.

Are lifegazer and the bible credible? Only if you are credulous?

As I re-read this before I submit I realize Upchurch that circular reasoning is implicit in your post.

[P.S.A.]

A Scientific Response To Lifegazer: His Ideas Quantified

Number Of Actual Words In The Bible: 783,137

http://agards-bible-timeline.com/q10_bible-facts.html

Number Of Words Lifegazer Thinks He Is Able To Distort To Fit His Own Religion: 191

Percentage Of The Bible Lifegazer Uses: 0.0244 (4dp)

Percentage Of Arrogant Assumption He Knows Better Than The Bible: 100%

Number Of Years Of Jewish And Christian Belief He Is Trying To Hijack: Approx. 3,500

Number Of Religious People Alive Today Who'd Be Offended By Him Hijacking Their Religions From Just This One Post:

Christianity: 2 billion
Hinduism: 900 million
Buddhism: 360 million

Total So Far: 3.26 Billion.

http://www.adherents.com/Religions_By_Adherents.html

Total Percentage Of World Lifgegazer Has Just Offended, Thus Killing His God In Their Hearts: 54.3333%

Total Number Of Years He Has Been This Offensive: He now admits to 4, possibly as many as 6

Number Of People Who Have Seen His Words, And Converted To His Ideas In Those Years: Zero

Number Of People Who Have Seen His Words And Are Inclined To Think He May Have A Point: Zero

Number Of People Who Have Seen His Ideas And Been Driven Away From Them: 20%

Number Of People Who Have Seen His Words, And Recognised Them As Nonsense Straight Away: 50%

Number Of People Prepared To Do A Lifegazer And Hijack His Religion To Use To Justify Their Own Beliefs: 2 (One vote, and Iacchus)

http://www.randi.org/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&threadid=55458&perpage=40&pagenumber=1

Number Of Insults Per Page, Despite Claims That Godhood Brings Peace And Respect: 2 so far

Number Of Iacchus Posts In A Lifegazer Thread, Even Though He Claimed It Was Innuendo That He Posts In Them More Than I Do: 1 more onto the pile, so far

Number Of Hours Lifegazer Has Spent Thinking Up His New Arguments: Usually an hour at most

Number Of Apologies Lifegazer Has Made When Caught Out Deliberatly Lying: Zero

Number Of Admissions That Lifegazer Has Got A Fact Wrong: Zero

Number Of Quotes Whereby You Can Easily Disprove Lifegazer's Intellectual Worth With His Own Words: Literally thousands of them, but we'll settle for just these two:

I don't know alot about religion.

I still squirm inside every time I contemplate 'going back to school' to improve my education. I like having the freedom to learn what I want to learn. This may or may not mean that I am a fool. But I am what I am.

Number Of Existances Lifegazer Gets To Experience: 1

Number Of Those Existances Which Exhibit Either Dignity, Honesty, Or Worthiness To Experience: Zero, so far

Number Of People Who Should By Now Be Convinced That Lifegazer Is A Fool, And Should Be Ignored For The Sake Of Your Own Existance: 100%, but it's so hard, I admit, to ignore someone so arrogant

Conclusion?

Lifegazer's Existance Has A Negative Effect Upon Life, The Universe, and Everything. Lifegazer Is A Life Destroyer.

[jmercer]

Originally posted by lifegazer
I expect the habitual moronic responses of course; but interesting facts await those that are sincere.
Thankyou.

Pre-emptive strike, eh? Well, I certainly don't want to disappoint you. :D

If you're God, then I just became an Atheist.

[P.S.A.]

Originally posted by jmercer
Pre-emptive strike, eh? Well, I certainly don't want to disappoint you. :D

If you're God, then I just became an Atheist.

Number Of People Lifegazer Has Driven Away By Being A Tosspot: Now Plus One

[Upchurch]

Originally posted by RandFan
As I re-read this before I submit I realize Upchurch that circular reasoning is implicit in your post. Yep. Sorry, I stopped just short of actually spelling that out because lifegazer rarely responds to actual logical jargon preferring to, instead, rely on his archaic "absolute facts" and whatnot. I probably should have gone ahead and just been thorough for clarity's sake.

This latest appeal to a mainstream religion to justify his own is rather comical, given that his target audience (this board) tends to have less confidence in religous scripture than just about anything else. Although, I suppose biblical scripture is slightly better than making up crapola on the spot. At least there is something to reference and compare.

[ceo_esq]

Originally posted by zaayrdragon
... starting with why bats are actually a kind of bird ... For crying out loud. Is that chestnut still in circulation?

[jmercer]

I was thinking... the bible does warn about false prophets, especially during the "end times". And lg fits that particular description much better than anyone I know of. :D

Now, as a point of speculation - if lg is God incarnate, can we crucify him? ;)

[Iacchus]

Originally posted by Mercutio
Not easy (or even possible) to pinpoint, but as a result much easier to discount. Yes, and neither are we less free to speculate about the Universe as a whole. Without free will, what point would there be in having a God? Certainly there would be no room for error and sin now would there?

[P.S.A.]

Number Of Posts In A Lifegazer Thread, Which Iacchus Will Insist Later He Never Makes: Now Plus 2 for today

Really Iacchus, why are you so obsessed with both lying and stealing Lifegazer's ideas for your own "perversification"?

And that's a deliberate parody of something you tried to claim too, by the way.

" ;) "

[Mercutio]

Careful...that sounds frightfully close to an admission that god is just made up. What point would there be? Um...none, I guess. Of course, I have no problem with saying that neither free will nor god have any evidence whatsoever to back them up...

[Iacchus]

Originally posted by P.S.A.
Number Of Posts In A Lifegazer Thread, Which Iacchus Will Insist Later He Never Makes: Now Plus 2 for today

Really Iacchus, why are you so obsessed with both lying and stealing Lifegazer's ideas for your own "perversification"?

And that's a deliberate parody of something you tried to claim too, by the way.

" ;) " Have you read my book? (http://www.dionysus.org) It's been published online since 1997. As far as my beliefs are concerned, they go back about thirty years.

[Iacchus]

Originally posted by Mercutio
Careful...that sounds frightfully close to an admission that god is just made up. What point would there be? Um...none, I guess. Of course, I have no problem with saying that neither free will nor god have any evidence whatsoever to back them up... Obviously, since free will can only exist outside of a closed system which, in effect is all we can expect to have with materialism. In which case it's very important for us to buy into the notion that free will is merely an illusion.

[Iacchus]

Most of us experience this illusion we call life as free will by the way. ;)

[uruk]

Most of us experience this illusion we call life as free will by the way. So your saying free will is an illusion?

[Iacchus]

Originally posted by uruk
So your saying free will is an illusion? No, on the contrary.

[uruk]

No, on the contrary.
well by your previous post:
Most of us experience this illusion we call life as free will by the way. We are experiancing life as free will, but the life is an illusion. would that not make free will an illusion as well since your are equating life with free will?

Or were you putting the statment in another person's mouth?

[Iacchus]

Originally posted by uruk
Or were you putting the statment in another person's mouth? No need to. Mercutio already (in effect) said it.

[uruk]

No need to. Mercutio already (in effect) said it.

*cough--dodge--cough*

[Iacchus]

Originally posted by uruk
*cough--dodge--cough* Originally posted by Mercutio
Careful...that sounds frightfully close to an admission that god is just made up. What point would there be? Um...none, I guess. Of course, I have no problem with saying that neither free will nor god have any evidence whatsoever to back them up...

[uruk]

I was talking about your statement, not Mercutio's

[P.S.A.]

Originally posted by Iacchus
Have you read my book? (http://www.dionysus.org) It's been published online since 1997. As far as my beliefs are concerned, they go back about thirty years.

Yet another dodge... Can't you be honest just once in your life? The point was this;

1.) You accused me of being obsessed with Lifegazer
2.) I pointed out you had been following him around the internet for both longer and to more places than I had, and proved it by linking to a large number of boards you were posting with him on.
3.) You try innuendo about obsession again
4.) I point out again that you post more with regards to him than I do
5.) You lie again, claiming you hardly ever respond to him
6.) And then here today in this thread, I point out that you are doing exactly what you claimed you didn't... again
7.) And once more, you dishonestly try to change the subject. IT DOESN'T MATTER HOW LONG YOU HAVE BELIEVED THE CRAP YOU WRITE, NOR WHEN YOUR BOOK WAS PUBLISHED. The point is, and always has been, that you love to post in Lifegazer's threads, and have been doing so for years now. And that you don't have the honesty to admit you were deliberately lying when you claimed I was obsessed with him

You know Iacchus, whether there's a God or not, you aren't going to be welcome in his heaven... Liars and decievers never are. And if you can't defend your own God honestly, that speaks volumes about how likely you are to even know God personally.

[lifegazer]

JOHN 10:30 "I and the Father are one"

JOHN 17:11 "I am no longer in the world; and yet they themselves are in the world, and I come to You. Holy Father, keep them in Your name, the name which You have given Me, that they may be ONE even as We are."

JOHN 17:20 "I do not pray for these alone, but also for those who will believe in me through their word; 21 that they all may be ONE, as You, Father, are in me, and I in You; that they also may be ONE in us, that the world may believe that You sent me. 22 And the glory which You gave me I have given them, that they may be ONE just as we are ONE: 23 I in them, and You in me; that they may be made perfect in one, and that the world may know that You have sent me, and have loved them as You have loved me."

I CORINTHIANS 2:16 For "who has known the mind of the LORD that he may instruct Him?" But we have the mind of Christ.

I CORINTHIANS 6:17 "But he who is joined to the Lord is one spirit with Him."

The evidence will continue to mount. Just keep closing your eyes, as you always have.

[Upchurch]

Originally posted by lifegazer
The evidence will continue to mount. Just keep closing your eyes, as you always have. HALLELUJAH, brother!! Testify! If only I had realized that your completely original and ground breaking philosophy could be infered from a translation of a collection of 2000 year old oral histories, I never would have dreamed of doubting you!

[P.S.A.]

The evidence will continue to mount. Just keep closing your eyes, as you always have;

http://www.randi.org/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&threadid=55458&perpage=40&pagenumber=1

Indeed, Lifegazer. The evidence does continue to mount, doesn't it? You wouldn't even defend your own beliefs there, because you are such an egotistical, power mad lunatic the thought of someone else controlling the conversation was too much for you.

And after all, it's not as if we've had two thousand years of Christian theology to explain in great detail what the relationship of Man, God and Jesus was. How many percentage points of the Bible have you used now? A massive 0.04% of it, is it? Somewhere around that no doubt...Incredible how the evidence of your spectacular arrogance and insanity just continues to mount.

Besides, I learn what I want to learn. If that makes YOU a complete tosser in my mind, then so be it. You are what I want to learn you are. And what everyone else has learnt you are too. And the evidence for that keeps piling up too.

[Correa Neto]

:s2:
Suuuure.

We all regard the Bible as an excellent and source. Not subject to biased interpretation, presents just truths...

Someone failed to get any support from logic and reasoning and now is sorrounding himself with a wall of myths and baseless beliefs.

:id:

[Beleth]

JOHN 10:30 "I and the Father are one"Jesus said that. He, and only He, can say that and be telling the truth.

JOHN 17:11 "I am no longer in the world; and yet they themselves are in the world, and I come to You. Holy Father, keep them in Your name, the name which You have given Me, that they may be ONE even as We are.""That they may be ONE even as We are." Meaning, again, that Jesus is One with God but no one else is.

JOHN 17:20 "I do not pray for these alone, but also for those who will believe in me through their word; 21 that they all may be ONE, as You, Father, are in me, and I in You; that they also may be ONE in us, that the world may believe that You sent me. 22 And the glory which You gave me I have given them, that they may be ONE just as we are ONE: 23 I in them, and You in me; that they may be made perfect in one, and that the world may know that You have sent me, and have loved them as You have loved me."See my John 17:11 comment above. Same thing. Jesus IS God; others have the potential to be but they aren't yet.

I CORINTHIANS 2:16 For "who has known the mind of the LORD that he may instruct Him?" But we have the mind of Christ.Not sure how you think this furthers your case. Sounds like it is evidence against it to me.

I CORINTHIANS 6:17 "But he who is joined to the Lord is one spirit with Him."I CORINTHIANS 6:16 "What? know ye not that he which is joined to an harlot is one body?" Since this is not true, I don't see why I would believe Paul's analogy is true either.

The evidence will continue to mount. Just keep closing your eyes, as you always have.Huh?

[Steven Howard]

Originally posted by ceo_esq
For crying out loud. Is that chestnut still in circulation?

My Bible still has Leviticus 11:19 in it. So, yeah, I guess it is.

[Upchurch]

*sniff sniff*

I think I smell 1inChrist post-and-run tactics.

[Robin]

Originally posted by God in Genesis 1:1
In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth
The translators note for the Hebrew word for created:
The verb ar`B* (B*r*a) always describes the divine activity of fashioning something new, fresh, and perfect.
Originally posted by God in Genesis 2:7
The Lord God formed the man from the soil of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living being.
Why does God need to create one illusion out of another illusion?

Also why does God need to use water to destroy all the peoples of the earth when they are just illusions? He only needs to stop imagining them.

Originally posted by John (1:14)
''And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us
Oh and be careful of translations:
King James Philippians 2:5
Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:
New English Translation Philippians 2:5
You should have the same attitude toward one another that Christ Jesus had
Translators note for New English Translation Philippians 2:5
Grk “Have this attitude in/among yourselves which also [was] in Christ Jesus,� or “Have this attitude in/among yourselves which [you] also [have] in Christ Jesus.�
Translators note for New International Version Philippians 2:5
Your attitude should be the same as that of Christ Jesus:

I daresay you could justify pretty much any point of view by selectively quoting this text.

I wonder why you thought that this would be a persuasive tactic in this particular forum?

[Ratman_tf]

Originally posted by Robin

I wonder why you thought that this would be a persuasive tactic in this particular forum?

It would seem that thought is not one of Lifegazer's strengths.

[jmercer]

I've changed my mind. Whether or not he's God, lg has already crucified himself here. :D

[RandFan]

Originally posted by lifegazer
The evidence will continue to mount. Just keep closing your eyes, as you always have. Let's see, we respond to your points you ignore our arguments....

[Dancing David]

Originally posted by lifegazer
2:2 Fulfil ye my joy, that ye be likeminded, having the same love, [being] of one accord, of one mind.

2:3 [Let] nothing [be done] through strife or vainglory; but in lowliness of mind let each esteem other better than themselves.

2:4 Look not every man on his own things, but every man also on the things of others.

2:5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:

2:6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God.

[Phillipians chapter 2, KJV]



So your quoting a letter that someone other than Jesus wrote?

[ceo_esq]

Originally posted by Steven Howard
My Bible still has Leviticus 11:19 in it. So, yeah, I guess it is. No one's implying that Leviticus 11:19 isn't around anymore, but it's a non-issue for serious skeptics, since it's well-established (and indeed, should be intuitively obvious) that the Hebrew word doesn't correspond to the modern taxonomic distinction.

http://www.religioustolerance.org/ine_none7.htm
http://www.tektonics.org/af/batbird.html

[Pahansiri]

My friend Jesus clearly ‘said� he was not God.

John 14:28, "My Father is greater than I."

"I proceeded forth and came from God, neither came I of myself but He sent me." (John 8:42)

Luke 18:19, Jesus responded, "Why callest thou me good? There is none good but one, that is God..."

Luke 22:42, "not my will but thine be done,"

John 5:30, "I seek not mine own will but the will of the Father which has sent me."

John 5:22 (English-NIV) Moreover, the Father judges no one, but has entrusted all judgment to the Son,

John 5:27 (English-NIV) And he has given him authority to judge because he is the Son of Man.

"My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?" (Matt 27:46)

Matt. 24:35-36 Jesus said, "Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words shall not pass away. 36"But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father alone. 37For the coming of the Son of Man will be just like the days of Noah."

"Verily I say unto you, the Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do..." (John 5:19)

"I can of mine own self do nothing: As I hear I judge, and my judgment is just because I seek not mine own will but the will of the Father which has sent me." (John 5:30)

"I ascend unto my Father and your Father, and to my God and your God." (John 20:17)

"O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: Nevertheless, not as I will but as thou wilt." (Matt 26:36-39)


But as you have you can also post passages from the Christian Bible saying or indicating he was God.
Does this prove
1- he was God
2- he was not God
3- there was such a person/Jesus or was not
4- there is a God or is not

No it just proves there are thousands of contradictions found with in the Bible and it can be and has been used to support what anyone wishes it to appear to say.

[crimresearch]

Originally posted by lifegazer
2:2 Fulfil ye my joy, that ye be likeminded, having the same love, [being] of one accord, of one mind.

2:3 [Let] nothing [be done] through strife or vainglory; but in lowliness of mind let each esteem other better than themselves.

2:4 Look not every man on his own things, but every man also on the things of others.

2:5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:

2:6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God.

[Phillipians chapter 2, KJV]

My aim in this thread is to link as many biblical references as I can find which will support the notion that, like my philosophy, the bible aims to show that only God exists and that God is the life of all men = men are what God thinks that it is. I.e., there are no men... only the belief - had by God - in being man.

I'll be posting several such links like this to prove that:
(1) Man has misrepresented the words of the bible.
(2) My philosophy mirrors the words of the most revered 'man' in history - who said that he was One with God.

The purposes of this thread:
(1) To give more credibility to the bible - by clearing the dust.
(2) To give more credibility to my philosophy - by equating it to the words credited to a man who knew himself as God.

I expect the habitual moronic responses of course; but interesting facts await those that are sincere.
Thankyou.


Congratualtions...you've re-invented Quakerism.
:rolleyes: