Media Frets for White Girl

[corplinx]

When Pfc. Lynch was declared missing, everyone knew it. It was recounted on the news again and again that a company including a young female named Lynch was missing.

However, there was another female in that company. A few years older and her skin was a bit darker.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,83315,00.html

Lori Piestewa was a Hopi, a single mother of two, and also a private first class. Was media coverage of the missing company a bit sexist? Preying on our fears of rape/harm to a female versus the men in her company? Probably. Would we have been told over and over that a company with two young women in it was missing if Lori had been white and not a mother of two? For some reason I keep thinking yes.

[Mel]

Is it also possible that when her family was notified that Lori was MIA, they told the military that they preferred to maintain their privacy? Perhaps they even felt Lori would have a better chance of survival??

[aerocontrols]

That you cry 'double standards' about which girl the press fixated on.

I've seen next to nothing about Patrick Miller (http://www.arkvalleynews.com/web/isite.dll?1048798584274).'

And, of course, Shoshana Johnson continues to be listed as POW, as far as I know.

MattJ

[corplinx]

Originally posted by aerocontrols
That you cry 'double standards' about which girl the press fixated on.



Reread my post. I questioned if their fixation was also sexist.

[aerocontrols]

Originally posted by corplinx


Reread my post. I questioned if their fixation was also sexist.

*attempts to wipe egg off of face*

[kedo1981]

Corp-U-lent
You are full of crap
Prove that anyone (news, gov. military) made a big deal about Lynch; BEFORE HER RESCUE; or shut up.

[schplurg]

Kedo1981:
Good point, I'd never heard her name before the rescue, although I DID know that the unit was missing, in fact it seems that names aren't released in these instances. So far I see no reason to cry racism.

The fact that she is still alive seems to be the main component to the story, not that she's white.

I read that she heard the others in her unit being tortured and killed. The fact that she's a young blonde white "All American Girl"** may have actually hurt her, in the sense that they may have had some nasty motives for keeping her alive. "Look America, we have your beauty queen! Haha!" that kinda crap...maybe worse.

**Disclaimer
Not that other races aren't "All American Girls", there are beautiful women of all races (and I've dated a few of them)! But she may, in the eyes of these sickos, represent a stereotypical American beauty that would be great for propaganda.

[corplinx]

Originally posted by kedo1981
Corp-U-lent
You are full of crap
Prove that anyone (news, gov. military) made a big deal about Lynch; BEFORE HER RESCUE; or shut up.

With an attitude like that, I will of course cooperate instead of being rude and uncivil in return which would be uncalled for. </sarcasm>

Nearly every talking head on TV mentioned that "among the missing a young woman blah blah blah". Of course, I would have to get transcripts to find that.

news.google.com barfs on any search phrase i give it because there are so many hits. If I had links to give you, I would.

[Supercharts]

Originally posted by corplinx
When Pfc. Lynch was declared missing, everyone knew it. It was recounted on the news again and again that a company including a young female named Lynch was missing.

However, there was another female in that company. A few years older and her skin was a bit darker.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,83315,00.html

Lori Piestewa was a Hopi, a single mother of two, and also a private first class. Was media coverage of the missing company a bit sexist? Preying on our fears of rape/harm to a female versus the men in her company? Probably. Would we have been told over and over that a company with two young women in it was missing if Lori had been white and not a mother of two? For some reason I keep thinking yes.

"Our hearts are really saddened for her other troop members and the other families," Lynch's father managed to say before choking up.

Piestewa, 23, was a member of the Hopi Tribe, whose reservation is near the Navajo Reservation community of Tuba City, Ariz. She had a 4-year-old son and a 3-year-old daughter.

"Our prayers are with the Lynch family," said Wayne Taylor Jr., chairman of the Hopi Tribe. "We thank God that she survived her ordeal. Her bravery speaks volumes of her character and we wish her a continued speedy recovery."
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&ncid=533&e=1&cid=533&u=/ap/20030406/ap_on_re_mi_ea/war_jessica_lynch

Thank Ed_God she wasn't Jewish!

[Mel]

Originally posted by Supercharts


"Our hearts are really saddened for her other troop members and the other families," Lynch's father managed to say before choking up.

Piestewa, 23, was a member of the Hopi Tribe, whose reservation is near the Navajo Reservation community of Tuba City, Ariz. She had a 4-year-old son and a 3-year-old daughter.

"Our prayers are with the Lynch family," said Wayne Taylor Jr., chairman of the Hopi Tribe. "We thank God that she survived her ordeal. Her bravery speaks volumes of her character and we wish her a continued speedy recovery."
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&ncid=533&e=1&cid=533&u=/ap/20030406/ap_on_re_mi_ea/war_jessica_lynch

Thank Ed_God she wasn't Jewish!

I'm not sure what you're trying to say here? :confused:

Would there be something 'wrong' with a Hopi Indian saying a prayer for the well being of a Jewish person?

[hammegk]

Doggone it, blondes DO get the attention, especially young, single, attractive ones. The SpecOp troops would probably have left the Hopi to rot in the torture-chamber/hospital if she had been alive. Actually I don't think so.

As another thought, as an Iraqi officer given the choice of which enemy combatant you would execute last, would young attractive blondes be near the top or bottom of your list? Supply your own reasons as to why that might occur.


Perhaps we should mandate that US females dress in burqas & veils so skin & hair color is not a factor. (From birth, no pictures allowed without that covering either.)

Ms. Piestewa does grab the unfortunate prize as the first US female soldier KIA.

[Denise]

I don't remember seeing anything about Lynch before she was rescued. And I watch the news a lot- ok I'm addicted to Fox and CNN almost as bad as when the miners were rescued and little Jessica was down in the well- anyone remember that?! So, maybe I just missed it, and I also don't see a lot of reports on who is missing or not.

[Mel]

Originally posted by Denise
I don't remember seeing anything about Lynch before she was rescued. And I watch the news a lot- ok I'm addicted to Fox and CNN almost as bad as when the miners were rescued and little Jessica was down in the well- anyone remember that?! So, maybe I just missed it, and I also don't see a lot of reports on who is missing or not.

I get pretty addicted to the high profile events also & I don't remember them going overboard with info about any of the MIA's. I imagine there are many security & personal issues about discussing such sensitive matters while they are unfolding.

Little Jessica?! Boy..... I was GLUED to my TV set. I can still get chills watching tapes of the rescue.

[kedo1981]

Proof??????????
Or retract

[Hypocolius]

Originally posted by Denise
I don't remember seeing anything about Lynch before she was rescued. And I watch the news a lot- ok I'm addicted to Fox and CNN almost as bad as when the miners were rescued and little Jessica was down in the well- anyone remember that?! So, maybe I just missed it, and I also don't see a lot of reports on who is missing or not.

Ditto. The only female MIA I was aware about was the African-American woman (is that the Shoshana Johnson mentioned by aerocontrols?).

[aerocontrols]

Originally posted by kedo1981
Proof??????????
Or retract

Well, this (http://www.snappingturtle.net/jmc/flit/2003_03_01_archive.html#91429129) post led to here (http://www.heraldtribune.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?Date=20030324&Category=API&ArtNo=303240841&Ref=AR) which is an expired link that covered the story on March 24. There was a story just about Lynch there, if I recall, that had a photo of her out of uniform.

I saw this story of Lynch before the rescue and I was at the time very surprised that her capture was not big news. I assumed it was not because her family didn't want to talk about it, but that isn't true, as a search of Google News (http://news.google.com/news?q=+%22Jessica+Lynch%22+MIA+site:reuters.com&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&safe=off&scoring=d&as_qdr=all&start=110&sa=N&filter=0) will reveal. (Link (http://www.adn.com/24hour/iraq/story/826946p-5836736c.html), for instance, interviews Lynch's family as well as Miller's Piestewa's families and makes no bigger deal about Lynch than the others.)

Yes, Hypo, Shoshana is the only woman the Iraqis questioned on film.

MattJ

[Q-Source]

Originally posted by hammegk
Doggone it, blondes DO get the attention, especially young, single, attractive ones. The SpecOp troops would probably have left the Hopi to rot in the torture-chamber/hospital if she had been alive. Actually I don't think so.

As another thought, as an Iraqi officer given the choice of which enemy combatant you would execute last, would young attractive blondes be near the top or bottom of your list? Supply your own reasons as to why that might occur.

Perhaps we should mandate that US females dress in burqas & veils so skin & hair color is not a factor. (From birth, no pictures allowed without that covering either.)

Ms. Piestewa does grab the unfortunate prize as the first US female soldier KIA.

What a bunch of racists nonsense...

Definitely the colour of that little girl did care, so why you all insist on talking about her "heroism" when you also recognise that her physical characteristics were an important determinant?.

The USA media and average population love this kind of stories, and if they have to choose between a story about a black fat woman and a white young one, guess which wins? :rolleyes:

Furthermore, some pathetic racists get a big feast of it...

[Shane Costello]

Originally posted by Q-Source:
The USA media and average population love this kind of stories, and if they have to choose between a story about a black fat woman and a white young one, guess which wins?
:rolleyes:

Well, while I've heard the American armed forces have had recruitment problems, I doubt the "black fat woman" would pass the physical, so your analogy is a false one.

Actually now that I think of it your helping to further the stereotype of the large African-American female. Shame, shame I say!

[zakur]

Even in battle, blondes get all the attention (http://argument.independent.co.uk/regular_columnists/deborah_orr/story.jsp?story=393704)

If a Hollywood screenwriter made up Ms Lynch's story, it would be condemned as cheesy, clichéd and racist.
...

Tony Parsons wrote about the "baying lynch mob" that gathered at the edge of the Tigris when it was rumoured that a US pilot had crashed there. "And what if that pilot had been a woman? And blonde, young and pretty like Private Jessica Lynch, currently missing, her fate unknown. That Iraqi lynch mob looked like savages, barbarians, mindless brutes untouched by civilisation." I'm sure Mr Parsons will recognise, with the wisdom of hindsight, that his speculations unconsciously followed exactly those old racist assumptions that men of colour want nothing more than to rape white women.

What else can explain why he picked out Private Lynch, when he might instead have chosen to mention the plight of Shoshana Johnson, 31, who was shown on Iraqi television, captured and terrified, her frightened eyes darting hauntingly in her smooth black face, or Lori Piestewa, one of 45 Hopi Native Americans serving in the forces, who went missing in the same ambush as Private Lynch.

[zakur]

http://i.cnn.net/cnn/2003/US/Southwest/03/31/sprj.irq.piestewa/story.piestewa.jpg
Pfc. Lori Piestewa

http://www.philly.com/images/philly/dailynews/5549/30793358797.jpg
Army Spc. Shoshana Johnson

http://www.newsandsentinel.com/thefront/lynchphotos/Jessica-Lynch-3.jpg
Pfc. Jessica Lynch

[Supercharts]

Originally posted by Q-Source


What a bunch of racists nonsense...

Definitely the colour of that little girl did care, so why you all insist on talking about her "heroism" when you also recognise that her physical characteristics were an important determinant?.

The USA media and average population love this kind of stories, and if they have to choose between a story about a black fat woman and a white young one, guess which wins? :rolleyes:

Furthermore, some pathetic racists get a big feast of it...

Suppose it was a fat white woman [BigFig, eg.] and a thin pretty woman of color? [G6?] Or a Latino woman [Luciana?]

[Q-Source]

Originally posted by Shane Costello
Well, while I've heard the American armed forces have had recruitment problems, I doubt the "black fat woman" would pass the physical, so your analogy is a false one.


See zakur post...

Johnson was captured. As to why she joined the army, well she joined to get experience as a chef according to this quote:


Shoshana Johnson entered the Army in September 1998 to get experience as a chef. She is now one of seven known POWs being held in Iraq.
CNN (http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/03/24/sprj.irq.pow.families/)

[Tmy]

Anyone catch the NBC interview with the Central Park Jogger? It was amazing to think about just how much media attention the story got. Rich, high society white lady attacked and raped by a mob of black youths (so we thought). Now that sells papers!

[rikzilla]

Originally posted by zakur
http://i.cnn.net/cnn/2003/US/Southwest/03/31/sprj.irq.piestewa/story.piestewa.jpg
Pfc. Lori Piestewa

http://www.philly.com/images/philly/dailynews/5549/30793358797.jpg
Army Spc. Shoshana Johnson

http://www.newsandsentinel.com/thefront/lynchphotos/Jessica-Lynch-3.jpg
Pfc. Jessica Lynch

So,...Jessie's a babe. :D Is that what's got you guys all freaked out? That the blonde babe gets attention? Hell man, that ain't racist! Puleese! :rolleyes: It's like a choice between Rosie O'Donnell, Hillary Clinton, and Vanessa Williams.... :rolleyes: Put those three behind enemy lines and see which one the troops will want to rescue first...or the media will want to report on the most! Human nature man,...the babe...no matter what race...will always get the attention.

-z

[Q-Source]

Originally posted by Supercharts

Suppose it was a fat white woman [BigFig, eg.] and a thin pretty woman of color? [G6?] Or a Latino woman [Luciana?]

It does not change anything at all. The colour of your skin and your racial characteristics determine what the media and the public opinion say about you.

So, if this is how things work in the USA, then why the hell you all talk about "heroism" BS, when we know that this was not Lynch's case?.

[Jocko]

Originally posted by Q-Source


What a bunch of racists nonsense...

Definitely the colour of that little girl did care, so why you all insist on talking about her "heroism" when you also recognise that her physical characteristics were an important determinant?.

The USA media and average population love this kind of stories, and if they have to choose between a story about a black fat woman and a white young one, guess which wins? :rolleyes:

Furthermore, some pathetic racists get a big feast of it...

You must be one butt-ugly person of undesirable ethnicity and inferior gender, Q-Source.

Just wanted to show you what a real racist comment looks like.

[Tmy]

Lynch kinda has a butterface.

[Jocko]

Originally posted by Tmy
Lynch kinda has a butterface.

Like you'd kick her out of bed, you person of undesirable ethnicity and body weight! She wouldn't give the time of day to you!

Hey, this racist thing is kinda fun!

[Tmy]

Originally posted by Jocko


Like you'd kick her out of bed, you person of undesirable ethnicity and body weight! She wouldn't give the time of day to you!

Hey, this racist thing is kinda fun!

As a rule I dont bang chicks with back problems. Its a liabilty thing.

My weight is within the scientifically predetermined optimal weight range for my height. Can you say the same Mayor McCheese?

[Q-Source]

Originally posted by Tmy
Lynch kinda has a butterface.


He, he... :p

[Mike B.]

butterface?

No way...

She has a lovely smile...