Perched rock ~ and we aint' talkin' fish

[Iamme]

Why is this in the religion forum? Because it has to do with how can you explain how some gigantic, mega ton rock is sitting up ontop a mountain, like...it's a separate rock that is just balancing up there, like somebody put it there.

How did it get up there?

It might be called the Mecca rock, or something like that. (People go up there to sit (under?) it and pray and give homeage to the Lord.) I am going to try to find it. Then see if one of you computer geeks can link us to the site, so we can all enjoy this thing.

We think that the monolithic statues on Easter Island are something. We think that the Pyramids are something. We think Stonehenge is something. But it's conceivable that man did these things.

It's *NOT* conceivable that man stuck that rock up there. And if a tornado dropped it off up there, it would have had to been in the days of old when everything was bigger...and even tornados were bigger?...because that rock weighs many, many, many tons. And it just doesn't look like a natural erosion of the mountain upon which it sits. it's like somebody put it there.

I can only think of one person that put it there. Aliens. :D

Remember how I have posted before how perhaps the Pyramids and these great rock monoliths were built at some time when the secret of anti-gravity was unlocked?

And then one can make the case that God has thrown in a sign of his almightiness, here and there. Never quite to be *tooo* obvious about it...but to keep us so that we have him in mind.

[Rob Lister]

It floated there in the flood. :|

[Iamme]

Or a glacier put it there before the mountain rose out of the sea?

I'm going Google searching. You guys gotta see this thing. It has been in my Discover magazine (I think).

[Donks]

Golden Rock, perhaps? Or any of the many hits you get by googling "balancing rock" or "balancing boulder"?

[Iamme]

Donks---I have been on a Google goose chase. No luck finding the one I want. I am using words in combination such as balancing, boulder, mountain, Mecca, stone, rock...have come across House mountain and Zion Rock...but not the right one. I thought it might be called Mecca rock or boulder, but I guess not. I may have to go through scores of Discover magazines tonight in hopes of finding it there. I'm going to go crazy if i can't find it.

This particular boulder makes you say, "How in the *HECK....!"

[H3LL]

Originally posted by Iamme
This particular boulder makes you say, "How in the *HECK....!"

Maybe because you are thinking addition and not subtraction.

The old joke:

Q. How do you make a statue of an elephant?
A. Chip away all the bits that don't look like an elephant.

would seem to be particularly apposite.

[Iamme]

Originally posted by H3LL
Maybe because you are thinking addition and not subtraction.

The old joke:

Q. How do you make a statue of an elephant?
A. Chip away all the bits that don't look like an elephant.

would seem to be particularly apposite.

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Kind of profound. Got me thinking. God could have created the world and everything in it as if the creation were a giant 'cut out'. :cool:

[H3LL]

Maybe you can give us a better description. There are hundreds of pictures of balancing rocks.

I liked this one:

http://www.tonovascotia.com/photos/balancingrock.jpg

from here (http://www.tonovascotia.com/attractions/balancingrock.html)

[H3LL]

Originally posted by Iamme
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Kind of profound. Got me thinking. God could have created the world and everything in it as if the creation were a giant 'cut out'. :cool:

Lol. If you choose to believe in a god(s) maybe it balances rocks in its spare time, like you might make a house of cards.

God(s) playing patience makes a nice story, but there are good mundane explanations for all of them.

Maybe you want to look up "singing rocks". Quite interesting.

[Iamme]

I found it! I spent 3 hours last night looking through my magazines. It's in an old Life Magazine. It is called "Gilded boulder". Google for it. There are various sites and you can see some photos of it.

I ran a calculation of it's masss based on it's circumference and figured it to be over 1,000,000 pounds (based on spherical volume X 4,500 lb./cu. yd.)

It also goes by the name, "The golden rock".

You tell me how that sucker got there. (What I'd like to know is what the terrain is to the right of the photo.)

[Donks]

So... the first one I suggested? Nice to see you read the answers you get.

[Iamme]

Donks. I apologize. I really do. I was so in a hurry..so frantic searching for it, that yes, I saw your suggestions for balancing rocks and boulders, but the "Golden Rock" thing just did not register with me. I probably thought, "Golden rock?! What does *that* have to do with anything?" See, I can't remember the rock as being gilded. Again I am sorry. I do read posts. I'm not that slimey as to only post and not read. But somehow that just didn't register with me.

[Donks]

Originally posted by Iamme
Donks. I apologize. I really do. I was so in a hurry..so frantic searching for it, that yes, I saw your suggestions for balancing rocks and boulders, but the "Golden Rock" thing just did not register with me. I probably thought, "Golden rock?! What does *that* have to do with anything?" See, I can't remember the rock as being gilded. Again I am sorry. I do read posts. I'm not that slimey as to only post and not read. But somehow that just didn't register with me.
Wait, someone who admits errors and apologizes? I might just have to reevaluate my idea of you :)

[Iamme]

H3LL---That *is* a good one! Very odd. I'll have to see if there i an article that explains that one. Do you know off hand if that rock is part of what it sits on, and was eroded like this?..or is this a separate rock, like Golden Rock (The Gilded Boulder) is?

Ya...God is bored and sits around balancing rocks in his spare time.:D But seriously, how do you not know at judgement day that he will bring up some of the wonders of the world and ask us that if we didn't believe in *him*...just how on earth did we think these wonders happened?

[Donks]

Originally posted by Iamme
Ya...God is bored and sits around balancing rocks in his spare time.:D But seriously, how do you not know at judgement day that he will bring up some of the wonders of the world and ask us that if we didn't believe in *him*...just how on earth did we think these wonders happened?
By the same token, how do you know He wont ask a fundy how on earth didn't he see the same wonders and feel inspired to search for how they came to be using his God given brain? How do you know they aren't there just to spark scientific curiosity?

[NoZed Avenger]

Originally posted by Donks
Wait, someone who admits errors and apologizes? I might just have to reevaluate my idea of you :)


Yes, lamme, obviously you need to learn how things work on the internet:


First, deny that it was mentioned in the first place.

Second, refuse to look back up in the thread and see if it was actually there.

Then, start a three-page argument on the mearning of "gilded" versus "golden."

Step four is calling donks out for a perceived inconsistency in a thread begun 4 months ago on a different topic.

In step five, you leave the thread in a huff.

In step six, you start a thread on the same subject without any reference to the earlier thread or donks. Should Donks appear on that thread, keep asking Donks to "stop trolling your thread."



I hope that helps next time you are tempted to admit error and apologize.


N/A

[Iamme]

Originally posted by Donks
By the same token, how do you know He wont ask a fundy how on earth didn't he see the same wonders and feel inspired to search for how they came to be using his God given brain? How do you know they aren't there just to spark scientific curiosity?

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But is this an argument to 'get' a fundy on? I mean, if you mention that God put it there for *scientific* curiousity this still would be admitting he put it there for *some* reason. Right?

[Iamme]

Originally posted by NoZed Avenger
Yes, lamme, obviously you need to learn how things work on the internet:


First, deny that it was mentioned in the first place.

Second, refuse to look back up in the thread and see if it was actually there.

Then, start a three-page argument on the mearning of "gilded" versus "golden."

Step four is calling donks out for a perceived inconsistency in a thread begun 4 months ago on a different topic.

In step five, you leave the thread in a huff.

In step six, you start a thread on the same subject without any reference to the earlier thread or donks. Should Donks appear on that thread, keep asking Donks to "stop trolling your thread."



I hope that helps next time you are tempted to admit error and apologize.


N/A

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I do not post in mlaice. I never 'leave' a thread as in running away form posters or anything like that. Be clear with what you are implying rather than talking in parables please. What are you getting at in your last paragraph? Maybe something occured that I didn't realize, regarding who posted what when. I am not on this board all day, as some people seem to be.

And I sort of have to pick and choose . Some topics I start because I feel they are interesting and that others may find they are interesting. Whether or not I am there to post all the time on them... if anyone has a problem with that, let's say, then they don't have to respond to the thread, and the thread will die. So be it. Good threads will continue even without me replying to everyone or perhaps failing to notice or read something. There are other threads that interest me, that others have started, and I respond to some that do (interest me). But obviously, unless you can be on this board 24-7, you can't cover everything.

I have nothing against Donks, and you come in here and seem like you are trying to start something. If Donks takes offense to my style, let *him* speak for himself. Why don't you save your breath for if/when I slight *you* sometime. Fair enough?

P.s.--Could you refer me to your second sentence about me denying something? What did I deny?

[H3LL]

Originally posted by Iamme
H3LL---That *is* a good one! Very odd. I'll have to see if there i an article that explains that one. Do you know off hand if that rock is part of what it sits on, and was eroded like this?..or is this a separate rock, like Golden Rock (The Gilded Boulder) is?

Ya...God is bored and sits around balancing rocks in his spare time.:D But seriously, how do you not know at judgement day that he will bring up some of the wonders of the world and ask us that if we didn't believe in *him*...just how on earth did we think these wonders happened?


I'm no geologist, but looking at the rock strata around it I would guess it just sheared (sp?) off. There may possibly have been smaller rocks supporting it behind, that have since been washed away.

Personally I think god has as much to do with this and the other rocks as he does with everything else.......i.e. Nothing..... because he's made up....but it makes a fun story. Like Paul Bunyan.

Actually the Paul Bunyan story is better and it is in NS.

:D

[Iamme]

Originally posted by H3LL
I'm no geologist, but looking at the rock strata around it I would guess it just sheared (sp?) off. There may possibly have been smaller rocks supporting it behind, that have since been washed away.

Personally I think god has as much to do with this and the other rocks as he does with everything else.......i.e. Nothing..... because he's made up....but it makes a fun story. Like Paul Bunyan.

Actually the Paul Bunyan story is better and it is in NS.

:D

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The Gilded Boulder though *came* from somewheres else. But from where?

Now if one considers fossils of sea creatures high up on mountains...great gorges like the Grand Canyon...giant wide river basins like that along the upper Mississippi, or even Chippewa Rivers (up by me)...and boulders perched high up on hills or mountains? Hmmm. Global flood after all?

H3LL, are you an atheist?

[H3LL]

Originally posted by Iamme
H3LL, are you an atheist?

Was a believer, been atheist for many years. But I still like a good story.

"God did it" shows lack of imagination.

A good myth would be fun to read. The Giant's Causeway myth in the UK is a good story about a geological phenomena. "God did it" is just dull...dull...dull...while being no more plausible.

Rational explanations for the serious side.

[H3LL]

Just to add.

Stumbling across this thread and looking at the many balancing rocks around the world has been interesting and certainly should make anyone wonder and be amazed at the fantastic things to be observed in nature.

I have really enjoyed looking and marvelling at each and every one with the fun of trying to discover how such things could have happened.

To me, thinking "Oh! It's god!" ends about 99% of the wonder and marvel.

Observing marvels should be the beginning, not the end.

"God did it" thinking would have not got humanity to even discover how to make fire.

[H3LL]

Originally posted by Iamme
Global flood after all?

You decide. There is a thread here (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?s=&postid=1870880535#post1870880535) that looks at it in some detail.

I think you will find it interesting.

[Dr Adequate]

Originally posted by Iamme
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I do not post in mlaice. I never 'leave' a thread as in running away form posters or anything like that. Be clear with what you are implying rather than talking in parables please. What are you getting at in your last paragraph? Maybe something occured that I didn't realize, regarding who posted what when. I am not on this board all day, as some people seem to be.

And I sort of have to pick and choose . Some topics I start because I feel they are interesting and that others may find they are interesting. Whether or not I am there to post all the time on them... if anyone has a problem with that, let's say, then they don't have to respond to the thread, and the thread will die. So be it. Good threads will continue even without me replying to everyone or perhaps failing to notice or read something. There are other threads that interest me, that others have started, and I respond to some that do (interest me). But obviously, unless you can be on this board 24-7, you can't cover everything.

I have nothing against Donks, and you come in here and seem like you are trying to start something. If Donks takes offense to my style, let *him* speak for himself. Why don't you save your breath for if/when I slight *you* sometime. Fair enough?

P.s.--Could you refer me to your second sentence about me denying something? What did I deny? Now read NoZed Avenger's post again. Carefully.

[NoZed Avenger]

Originally posted by Iamme
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P.s.--Could you refer me to your second sentence about me denying something? What did I deny?

This was SO not aimed at you, lamme.

I was actually continuing donks compliment on your reaction by contrasting it with what others on the internet do too often.

I should have been funnier or put a smiley on there to make sure you didn't read it the wrong way. My apologies for any misunderstanding -- I certainly was not criticizing you or your behavior.

N/A

[Iamme]

Sorry, NoZed Avenger. There are those on this board who don't like me...they don't like others...they try to stir up trouble like an instigator like Conrad Dobler in those old Miller Lite beer commercials. My apologies to you as well. I guess what you said went over my head.

I think too often that many of us post in such a style as to make it seem like we aren't some dope. But sometimes such style can come across like double talk if the reader can't figure it out.

[Iamme]

Originally posted by Dr Adequate
Now read NoZed Avenger's post again. Carefully.

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Sometimes my username really should be Lame, instead of Iamme, I guess, eh? :D

[Iamme]

Originally posted by H3LL
Just to add.

Stumbling across this thread and looking at the many balancing rocks around the world has been interesting and certainly should make anyone wonder and be amazed at the fantastic things to be observed in nature.

I have really enjoyed looking and marvelling at each and every one with the fun of trying to discover how such things could have happened.

To me, thinking "Oh! It's god!" ends about 99% of the wonder and marvel.

Observing marvels should be the beginning, not the end.

"God did it" thinking would have not got humanity to even discover how to make fire.

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H3LL, I think any rational person has to be able to tell themselves that even if there is this powerful God, who designed and made everything, and caused directly, or indirectly these fascinating wonders of the world to occur....you have to admit that God *himself* had to have used existing laws and time to create that what we see.

It is unlikely...there is no evidence that at any time has the workings of the universe just went "poof" and it went from not being there, to *being* there. (*Other than at the conversion from nothingness to somethingness [see Alan Huth's theory] or what we call the Big Bang)

Now, if one agrees with *that*, then one can easily proceed to the next step and ask yourself that since *God* had to make something, using laws of physics...then why couldn't it just perhaps have occured as laws of physics, with*out* God? And this is something I think all agnostics (of which I am one) have wrestled with their entire lives.

But you still come back to the argument of...well, I am going to forget the watch/watchmaker analogy. I will use this one: How in the world, from a designless dead universe could something have created itself so that one of the very things that created itself out of chaos (granted...overt time) could end up creating perfection? For example, man, a product of some sort of creation, that originated in chaos, can he, himself, create absolute perfect, flawless things. So, where did these flawless perfect things *really* originate from if there was never no intent or design from that from which the universe arose? (And intent + design obviously = a god.)

[Iamme]

H3LL, you tried to provide a link that says "here" above in one of your posts, regarding more that is said about a global flood. Instead, I got taken to another JREF thread where nothing about the flood was mentioned on the page *I* saw, anyway. I tried the link twice and got the same page. Check it out.

[Cosmo]

Originally posted by Iamme
Remember how I have posted before how perhaps the Pyramids and these great rock monoliths were built at some time when the secret of anti-gravity was unlocked?

:eek:

[H3LL]

Iamme.

The link took you to page 11. My appologies.

This (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?threadid=54554&perpage=40&pagenumber=1) should take you to the first page. Look for the arrival of Nick Harman. There are some detailed answers given my many members to his ideas.

With you, we know you will look at what was given.

[BPScooter]

Not a regular reader of this thread and I'm not sure why I should be disturbed if I think that random processes raised the circumstances under which my species evolved, and eventually I get a 70 year lifespan. Seems cool to me, glad I get a chance. Not like I'm going to waste any of it looking around for an evanescent, immanent spiritual being. Geez, I gotta go to work tomorrow.