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[Skeptic]

"Except for ending slavery, Fascism, Nazism and Communism... WAR HAS NEVER SOLVED ANYTHING".

[Wolverine]

:) lol

Within milliseconds of reading that, I thought: But apart from the sanitation, the medicine, education, wine, public order, irrigation, roads, the fresh water system, and public health ...What have the Romans ever done for us?

[Jon_in_london]

Originally posted by Wolverine
:) lol

Within milliseconds of reading that, I thought: But apart from the sanitation, the medicine, education, wine, public order, irrigation, roads, the fresh water system, and public health ...What have the Romans ever done for us?

Brought peace?

[Skeptic]

Originally posted by Jon_in_london


Brought peace?

By defeathing the persians, ammonites, parthians, egyptians, etc., etc., etc.,--yes.

[Tricky]

Originally posted by Skeptic
"Except for ending slavery, Fascism, Nazism and Communism... WAR HAS NEVER SOLVED ANYTHING".
Which one of those things is ended? As far as I can tell, they all still exist in one form or another, though some of their proponants may have been defeated.

If you ask most people from the Southern US, the Civil War was not about slavery (although I believe it was a major factor), but US slavery was already on it's way out, due to the industrial revolution.

European Communism pretty much collapsed under the weight of its own bureaucracy. The only war -- excuse me-- police action against communism was in Viet Nam, and the US lost that one.

Fascism is quite alive and well in the world, but we pretty much ignore it unless it conflicts with our interests. Certainly Saudi Arabia is a very Fascist regime. Some (not me) would even say that the US in many ways fits the definition of a Fascist (http://www.merriam-webster.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?Fascism) country.
From Merriam Webster
a political philosophy, movement, or regime that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition.

I don't feel that most of these apply to the US, but recently, the tendency to exalt nation above the individual has been very strong.

Nazism is a particular brand of Facism that is no longer supported by any government, but which is all too common as a minor party in Germany as well as the US.

[Skeptic]

Which one of those things is ended?

All of 'em?

As far as I can tell, they all still exist in one form or another, though some of their proponants may have been defeated.

Sure, there still are neo-nazis and would-be cross burners--but that's not the same thing as having Europe under Hitler's heel and the south allowing legal slavery, is it?

If you ask most people from the Southern US, the Civil War was not about slavery (although I believe it was a major factor), but US slavery was already on it's way out, due to the industrial revolution.

True. But the war, even if not about slavery, did END slavery. As for slavery being "on its way out"--that's not exactly what the south believed at the time, was it?

European Communism pretty much collapsed under the weight of its own bureaucracy.

Due to the fact that it couldn't take over the rest of Europe due to the threat of nuclear war.

The only war -- excuse me-- police action against communism was in Viet Nam, and the US lost that one.

Because of Anti-war protestors who claimed that "war never solved anything" and to "give peace a chance", among other reasons.

The US DID "give peace a chance" in Vietnam, and signed a peace agreement with the north Vietnamese.

The result? They broke the agreements, killed 200,000 of their own citizens, sent millions to reeducation camps, and put Pol Pot in charge of the "Marxist revolution" in Cambodia.

Fascism is quite alive and well in the world, but we pretty much ignore it unless it conflicts with our interests.

True, but the original proponents of Fascism are dead and buried.

Certainly Saudi Arabia is a very Fascist regime.

Nonononono. When an Arab or Muslim country is fascist, like, er, all of them really (with a few exceptions, such as Jordan or Turkey) it isn't "fascism". It's the "muslim (or arab) way of life".

Some (not me) would even say that the US in many ways fits the definition of a Fascist (http://www.merriam-webster.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?Fascism) country.

Just ask any refugee from Hitler's Germany what he thinks about THAT comparison.

[Pyrrho]

Saw a bumper sticker yesterday:

AMERICA'S PROBLEMS WILL NOT BE SOLVED IN IRAQ

[Tony]

Originally posted by Tricky

Some (not me) would even say that the US in many ways fits the definition of a Fascist (http://www.merriam-webster.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?Fascism) country.





How does the US fit that definition?