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dann
14th May 2005, 03:51 AM
I got the original article here: http://www.landplage.de/texte/papst-fs.html (my translation)

Habebus papam! - About an enlightened democracy’s need for religious delusion

We hear about the demise of the high priest of a religious congregation that believes that an itenerant preacher who was executed 2000 years ago was actually a god who is now in Heaven where he accompanies, watches over and strengthens his followers to this very day.

After the death of their old boss the chiefs of the high priesthood appoint a new one. That is no wonder. The only weird thing here is the commotion that the rest of the world makes of this incident: For weeks all TV channels are preoccupied with the production of a public death, all other reports follow under “other news”. The “life achievement” and “charisma” of the dead church leader is praised to the skies by the heads of all the major imperialist powers, who also find the time to show him the last honours. There are enough catholic and non-catholic people who go into religious raptures or at least demonstrate that they know the kind of performance that they owe the ubiquitous TV cameras in Rome: Modern free citizens weep, exhibit all the signs of despair at the report of his death, cry and mourn at the requiem, and applaud - like at a successful stage play - the wooden coffin when it passes them.

A little more than a week later the believers are introduced to their new boss at the St Peter’s Square, and again “people are so happy that they don’t know what to do” (ARD - German TV station - live, April 19). They laugh, they cry, dance, wave the flags of their respective nations - and they probably wouldn’t have been able to carry on the sedisvacanz much longer. Life without a pope really isn’t worth living.

After all this we don’t want to hear another word about the allegedly modern Western civilization being more “enlightened” than the backward Moslems. Here, too, the world of religious delusions with its magic and being beside oneself has neither become extinct nor is faith merely a private matter that you leave to old women and the incorrigible. These days the heads of the free democratic state show their great interest in the services of the men of God: It is important to the men in power that the powerless masses believe in a Lord in Heaven that they expect to command and lead them. There is no sign of the famous division between state and religion that “we” allegedly have and the Moslems don’t have.

The central reproach against Islamic fundamentalists is that they have the nerve to base their politics on their religious convictions, thus sapping the foundations of nations; in the case of the late pope, however, this is considered his greatest achievement: He is commended for having helped overthrow the communist states of Eastern Europe. “Our” fundamentalism is good, it’s the other one that’s the dangerous fundamentalism.

dann
15th May 2005, 06:24 AM
The dead pope is in dire need of a posthumous miracle. For some reason the many alleged miracles performed by the pope during his lifetime just don't seem to count! http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/05/13/world/main694962.shtml

Dragon
15th May 2005, 06:35 AM
Originally posted by dann
The dead pope is in dire need of a posthumous miracle. For some reason the many alleged miracles performed by the pope during his lifetime just don't seem to count! http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/05/13/world/main694962.shtml The miralces have to be posthumuus to demonstrate the power of the would-be saint's intercession with God and prove that he's in heaven. Apparently.

Bob Klase
15th May 2005, 06:12 PM
The central reproach against Islamic fundamentalists is that they have the nerve to base their politics on their religious convictions

What do you mean "central reproach"? Seems to me the main "reproach" against Islamic fundamentalists is that they like to kill people whose religion is different than theirs.

Since most Xian sects got over that several hundred years ago that would leave Islam still stuck around the 15th century- pretty much fits the definition of "backwards".

Aussie Thinker
15th May 2005, 08:22 PM
Dann,

The article is way off.

The Xtians (Catholics in particular) carry on with a lot of pomp and ceremony. It means bugger all in terms of how the countries in which these faiths thrive behave !

Lets compare your average Islamic Country with your average Christian one.

With the exception of Turkey and a few ex-soviet countries most Islamic countries are either dictatorships of run by corrupt and over powerful Royal families. They mostly have religious laws that exclude sectarian recognition of other faiths. They promote anti western hatred to help shore up their own shaky hold on power. They promote terrorism and ridiculous suicide attack.

Their standards of living are way behind western countries in spite of some huge resource advantages. Their civils rights records are atrocious and women are virtually second class citizens.

Now I KNOW your average Muslim is just the same sort of Human as your average Christian.. however they are trapped in a mindset that Christian religions got over hundreds of years ago. They have a huge inferiority complex and a chip on their shouldesr fuelled by past colonialism and their current corrupt regimes. If they turfed out their current leadership, relaxed their stringent cultural mores and used their vast Oil money on social programs they might attain Western prosperity almost overnight !

dann
16th May 2005, 04:32 AM
Originally posted by Aussie Thinker
If they turfed out their current leadership, relaxed their stringent cultural mores and used their vast Oil money on social programs they might attain Western prosperity almost overnight !
You confuse a couple of things. religion, nationalism, systems of government, and it isn't always quite clear who "they" are when you write about them. What the article says is that even the so-called enlightened democracies seem to need religious delusion - and the recent mass (pun not intended!) hysteria in Rome and in the rest of the Western world, even in the media of a protestant country like Denmark, is a good example of this.

However, I agree with you that the Moslem populations of Arab states or third-world countries ought to become revolutionaries instead of religious fundamentalists: to get rid of their oppressors, abolish religion and take possession of the respective natural or other resources in their countries from their present rulers and foreign oil companies, to be used in a way that benefits ordinary people instead of royal families and stockholders in Western countries - who don't seem to mind religious fundamentalism as long as the fundamentalists don't stand in the way of their business interests.

But that is probably not what you meant, was it?