Star Wars III- Sooo Pro-Bush and Anti-Liberal

[Bruce]

Isn't it obvious?

(Spoilers ahead)

Jedi Counsel = Liberal Hypocrits
- They were against the creation and utilization of a clone army, but seemed to enjoy ordering them around when they needed them.
- Believe in peace, justice, liberty, honesty, and equality.......except when it comes to hunting down and killing Sith.......or fighting wars against rebellious trade federations.......or killing bounty hunters........or spying on senate members.......or allowing their members the freedom to marry and have children.......
- "This is how liberty ends, to thunderous applause." What? The majority of the Senate voted to turn power over to Palpatine. What's more democratic than that? But did the Jedi counsel see it that way? NooOOOooo.
- Palpatine's goal was to end the war to bring peace and justice to the galaxy. The Jedi wanted to undermine his goals. War mongers.
- One of the mightiest Jedi powers is the ability to speak to the dead. Abomination! Blasphemy! Evil !!
- Obiwan, a supposed knight of goodness and purity, cruelly severed the limbs of his own pupil, stood there and watched him burn and suffer, then left him there to die alone. Cruel and unusual punishment. Sick freak.

Anakin = Bush
- Chose the path of the so called "Dark Side" because one of the mightiest dark side powers is the ability to preserve (and create) life. What is more honorable and good than the preservation and sanctity of life? Dark side indeed. It's only a "point of view".
- Swore to uphold the Republic and hunt down those who opposed it.
- Stood by his convictions, even under harsh criticism. "You are either with me or you are my enemy." When you are on the side of peace and justice, you have to be firm.
- Took a heavy hit from his worst enemy and came back stronger than ever!

I can't wait for the next episode! Darth Vader is sure to hunt down that cowardly terrorist Yoda and punish that traitorous Bala Organa. I'll bet Obiwan gets what's coming to him. Maybe Darth Vader will find his children and show them the true ways of the force. In any case, he is sure to bring peace and order to the galaxy. His only problems would come from those rebel scum. :)

[Bruce]

What? No comment at all? It's perfectly good bait!

[Charlie Monoxide]

Sorry I've been to Pabaah (http://Pabaah.com ) and I'm now convinced I should boycott that movie.

Thank jebus for web sites like Pabaah. I don't have to waste time thinking for myself.

Charlie (meow meow meow meow) Monoxide

[Mark]

Wow. Did we see the same movie? I saw much of it as a metaphor for Bush and the Republicans' take over of all branches of the U.S. government. In fact, it seemed so anti-Republican/anti-Iraq War, I was somewhat shocked (even though I agreed with it).

[Upchurch]

hm... That's interesting. Back in the early parts of the Bush Administration I commented a number of times that I kept hearing the theme from The Empire Strikes Back playing through my head whenever I heard about pre-Iraq War Bush talk about Iraq.

Kind of a chicken-and-the-egg question: Which came first, the Bush Administration's similarity to the Empire or the Empire's similarity to the Bush Administration?

But then, I'm the guy who thinks Carl Rove must have been a Babylon 5 fan.

[Mark]

Originally posted by Upchurch
hm... That's interesting. Back in the early parts of the Bush Administration I commented a number of times that I kept hearing the theme from The Empire Strikes Back playing through my head whenever I heard about pre-Iraq War Bush talk about Iraq.

Kind of a chicken-and-the-egg question: Which came first, the Bush Administration's similarity to the Empire or the Empire's similarity to the Bush Administration?

But then, I'm the guy who thinks Carl Rove must have been a Babylon 5 fan.

LOL! Now I will never be able to watch Bush without hearing that music as well...

[Bruce]

Originally posted by Mark
Wow. Did we see the same movie? I saw much of it as a metaphor for Bush and the Republicans' take over of all branches of the U.S. government. In fact, it seemed so anti-Republican/anti-Iraq War, I was somewhat shocked (even though I agreed with it).

If you didn't know me, you would think I was being sarcastic, wouldn't you? :D

[Mark]

Originally posted by Bruce
If you didn't know me, you would think I was being sarcastic, wouldn't you? :D

I did consider the possibility... ;)

[Upchurch]

Originally posted by Bruce
If you didn't know me, you would think I was being sarcastic, wouldn't you? :D Wait wait wait wait wait.

Are you telling me ...that we can't always take Bruce's word as a literal representation of what he thinks? :eek:

Excuse me. I have to go lie down.

[apoger]

I saw no metaphors, just a lot of bad acting and poor dialog.

[prewitt81]

I accept only a literal interpretation of the Word of Bruce. I believe that he created the OP in six literal seconds, and rested on the 7th.

[Upchurch]

Originally posted by Bruce
I can't wait for the next episode! Darth Vader is sure to hunt down that cowardly terrorist Yoda and punish that traitorous Bala Organa. I'll bet Obiwan gets what's coming to him. Maybe Darth Vader will find his children and show them the true ways of the force. In any case, he is sure to bring peace and order to the galaxy. His only problems would come from those rebel scum. :) I will now go forth and cherry pick the fan flicks that rightly prove the prophetic Word Of Bruce.

May the WOB be with you.

[shanek]

Personally, I thought Episode III was extremely lacking, but there were a couple of parts that I liked. I liked how, when Anakin became Darth Vader, he had the same attitude of the warmongers trying to justify their war. "If you're not with me, you're my enemy," for one.

Then, when Palpatine announced that (to make everyone safer, of course) the Republic would now be transformed into an Empire, Padme said, "So this is how liberty dies: with thunderous applause."

[Upchurch]

I really hate it when people rip something apart simply because it doesn't stand up to their own eleveated expectations for it. If Phantom Menece had been the best movie ever, it still would not have met the expectations people had for it and it would have been panned just the same. That said, I will now proceed to do just that.

In both II and III, Aniken and Padme just had zero chemistry together. I don't know if that is the fault of the writing, the actors, or if there are just people you can't fake that sort of stuff with. I was able to more or less lose myself in suspension of disbelief for the entire movie except when those two had their various private moments. It was then that I snapped out of thinking of them as people and was forced to think of them as characters.

[CFLarsen]

Originally posted by shanek
Personally, I thought Episode III was extremely lacking, but there were a couple of parts that I liked. I liked how, when Anakin became Darth Vader, he had the same attitude of the warmongers trying to justify their war. "If you're not with me, you're my enemy," for one.

Yeah, I can see why you like that part: Pretty much like your Libertarian Presidential Candidate Badnarik, when he threatened to jail those who disagreed with his interpretation of the Constitution...

[shanek]

Originally posted by Upchurch
I really hate it when people rip something apart simply because it doesn't stand up to their own eleveated expectations for it. If Phantom Menece had been the best movie ever, it still would not have met the expectations people had for it and it would have been panned just the same.

My biggest problem was that nothing happened that we didn't already either know was going to happen or figure out. There were no surprises at all...and the story had potential for plenty.

In both II and III, Aniken and Padme just had zero chemistry together. I don't know if that is the fault of the writing, the actors, or if there are just people you can't fake that sort of stuff with. I was able to more or less lose myself in suspension of disbelief for the entire movie except when those two had their various private moments. It was then that I snapped out of thinking of them as people and was forced to think of them as characters.

Yeah, I had trouble buying that, too.

[bluess]

Since my friends (ok, me too) caused a ruckus when we went to see the last one, its probably best that I wait a LOONG time before seeing this one.

My biggest irritation is that all the good guys are both dumb and have over-inflated egos.

I did, however, enjoy Padme telling Anakin not to think of her in 'that way' while wearing a dominatrix outfit.

[punchdrunk]

Originally posted by bluess
I did, however, enjoy Padme telling Anakin not to think of her in 'that way' while wearing a dominatrix outfit.

You mean, Anakin's descent into the Dark Side can be attributed to a bad case of blue balls?

The most realistic thing Lucas has written yet.

[TragicMonkey]

Originally posted by Upchurch
In both II and III, Aniken and Padme just had zero chemistry together. I don't know if that is the fault of the writing, the actors, or if there are just people you can't fake that sort of stuff with. I was able to more or less lose myself in suspension of disbelief for the entire movie except when those two had their various private moments. It was then that I snapped out of thinking of them as people and was forced to think of them as characters.

I read that the two of them actually did have an affair in real life while working together, so it's not them. It's Lucas.

[bluess]

And if someone I last saw when they were 6 years old turned up as a horny teenager given to saying "you consume my soul" I would be looking for a bodyguard. Can you say 'stalker'!

[TragicMonkey]

Originally posted by rhoadp
You mean, Anakin's descent into the Dark Side can be attributed to a bad case of blue balls?

The most realistic thing Lucas has written yet.

I don't see why it couldn't have been a love triangle. It was not only easily believable, but it would both fully explain everything AND make all three characters more believable. It would make Obi-Wan's guilt over Vader a lot more than "oh, I had a student who turned bad", and it would also give self-righteous Padme some depth. And it's a much better reason to go dark side for Anakin. And it would also show that the Jedi aren't so pure and wonderful as they pretend, and that it's not just Anakin being a bad seed, any of them could fall into the nasty.


Okay, okay, I also wouldn't have minded a threesome. Call me a perv, but all three of them are pretty good-looking.

[punchdrunk]

Originally posted by TragicMonkey
I don't see why it couldn't have been a love triangle. It was not only easily believable, but it would both fully explain everything AND make all three characters more believable. It would make Obi-Wan's guilt over Vader a lot more than "oh, I had a student who turned bad", and it would also give self-righteous Padme some depth. And it's a much better reason to go dark side for Anakin. And it would also show that the Jedi aren't so pure and wonderful as they pretend, and that it's not just Anakin being a bad seed, any of them could fall into the nasty.


Okay, okay, I also wouldn't have minded a threesome. Call me a perv, but all three of them are pretty good-looking.

I'm with ya, but if Lucas was writing it?...


OBI-WAN: You seem a little on edge, Anakin.

ANAKIN: Not at all.

OBI-WAN: I haven't felt you this tense since we fell into that nest of Focus on the Family followers.

ANAKIN: You fell into that nightmare, Master, and I rescued
you, remember?

OBI-WAN: Oh yeah. (they laugh) You're sweating. Relax. Take a deep breath. Let me message your shoulders. Have you been working out?

ANAKIN: I haven't seen her in ten years, Master.

OBI-WAN: She's not the Queen anymore, Anakin. I am.


ANAKIN: That's not why I'm nervous.

PADMÉ: Annie? (stares at his crotch) My goodness, you've grown.

OBI-WAN: Our presence will be invisible, M'Lady, I can
assure you.

PADME: I've got a bad feeling about this....

bolding mine...

[Jabberwock]

Originally posted by Upchurch

But then, I'm the guy who thinks Carl Rove must have been a Babylon 5 fan.

In best Luke voice, "NOOOOOOO, NOOOOOO, that's...not...possible!"

Can you explain? Does he like big hair or is it his use of the Shadow War (On Terror) to push through an anti-telepath (homosexual) agenda?
Or maybe I'm reading too much into it?

[Upchurch]

Originally posted by Jabberwock
In best Luke voice, "NOOOOOOO, NOOOOOO, that's...not...possible!"

Can you explain? Does he like big hair or is it his use of the Shadow War (On Terror) to push through an anti-telepath (homosexual) agenda?
Or maybe I'm reading too much into it? A show about a shadow government (Psi Corps/Shadows) behind the president that uses propoganda (The Ministry of Truth) to push xenophobic paranoia (not only Aliens but humans on Mars) in order to suspend civil liberties in the guise of security, safety, and patriotism (Night Watch), but really meant just to bring the civilization under control?

You're obviously reading too much into it. Now, move along. Nothing to see here.



eta: Seriously though, watch the second and third seasons and think of it in terms of the last several years or so. Kinda freaky.

[Jabberwock]

At the risk of hijacking the thread...

That does seem wierdly similar. I haven't seen it in a few years, but I remember when it was on thinking it was similiar to Nazi Germany (which was probably the model, now that I think about it). I'll really get worried when McClellan ends a conferance with a salute and "be seeing you!" :) I'll have to get the box sets back from my son and watch it again.

ETA
Getting back on topic...
I liked it better than the first two, but not as much as the Clone Wars cartoons

[Renfield]

Originally posted by Upchurch
I really hate it when people rip something apart simply because it doesn't stand up to their own eleveated expectations for it. If Phantom Menece had been the best movie ever, it still would not have met the expectations people had for it and it would have been panned just the same. That said, I will now proceed to do just that.

In both II and III, Aniken and Padme just had zero chemistry together. I don't know if that is the fault of the writing, the actors, or if there are just people you can't fake that sort of stuff with. I was able to more or less lose myself in suspension of disbelief for the entire movie except when those two had their various private moments. It was then that I snapped out of thinking of them as people and was forced to think of them as characters.

When you have that many good actors turning in sub par performances (with occassional suggestions), you have to start looking at other reasons for it, like the director/screenwriter.

That said, Fisher, Hammil, and Ford managed to turn in at least creditable performances in Episode IV despite having Lucas as director/screenwriter, so I guess you can't give Lucas all the blame.

[Renfield]

Originally posted by bluess
And if someone I last saw when they were 6 years old turned up as a horny teenager given to saying "you consume my soul" I would be looking for a bodyguard. Can you say 'stalker'!

Yeah. The whole Anakin/Padme thing just wasn't carried out very well. Its hard to blame the actors too much when they are dealing with a relationship that really hasn't been dramatized in a way that makes sense and the dialogue is so banal.