"Cyber Sex"

[Hope12]

Hello Everyone,

A female police detective specializing in Internet crime shows the dangers of Internet chat rooms. She entered a chat room, posing as a 14-year-old girl. After just a few seconds, a number of individuals made contact. The strangers asked such questions as: “Where are you from?� “Are you a girl or a boy?� “Can we talk?� Several responses were from suspected sexual predators that the police were tracking. That shows how easily a pedophile can get into a chat room with your child!

Some parents think that children are safe when using chat rooms because their conversations are accessible by everyone in the chat room while the discussion is taking place. However, once in a chat room, you can be invited to have a one-on-one conversation. Referring to this practice, sometimes called whispering, the United Kingdom’s Internet Taskforce on Child Protection warns: “This is like stepping out of a party full of people into a private room and having a separate conversation with a stranger.�

It is also important for parents to understand that most pedophiles want to do more than chat with a child. A paper prepared by the Internet Crime Forum reports: “Contact initiated in chat rooms may well be developed through other media, such as email and cell phone.� A report from the U.S. Federal Bureau of Investigation states: “While talking to a child victim on-line is a thrill for a computer-sex offender, it can be very cumbersome. Most want to talk to the children on the telephone. They often engage in ‘phone sex’ with the children and often seek to set up an actual meeting for real sex.�

To accomplish this, computer-sex offenders will give out their phone number. Should your child call them, caller ID will reveal the child’s phone number. Other predators have toll-free numbers or tell the child to call collect. Some have even sent the child a cell phone. Offenders may also send letters, photographs, and gifts.

Children are not the only ones succumbing to the dangers of chat rooms. Using smooth speech to tell women what they wanted to hear, one man recently made six women in the United Kingdom fall in love with him at the same time. One of the victims, Cheryl, an attractive 27-year-old postgraduate student, said: “I just can’t explain it now. It became so intense it took over my whole life.�

“Women find cyberspace comforting because they are not being judged by their looks,� said Jenny Madden, the founder of Women in Cyberspace. “But they also leave themselves very open to manipulation because there is a tendency, in chat rooms particularly, to give away a lot about yourself very quickly.�

“All I have to do is turn on my computer and I have thousands of women to choose from,� said one man questioned for a University of Florida research study conducted by Beatriz Avila Mileham. She stated: “The internet will soon become the most common form of infidelity, if it isn’t already.� “We are hearing from therapists around the country reporting online sexual activity to be a major cause of marital problems,� said Dr. Al Cooper, editor of the book Sex and the Internet: A Guidebook for Clinicians.
In view of these sobering facts, it is wise to take sensible precautions when using the Internet. Talk to your children, and teach them how to protect themselves from danger. Equipped with proper knowledge, you can avoid the dangers of the Internet.

Ecclesiastes 7:12.
12 For wisdom is for a protection [the same as] money is for a protection; but the advantage of knowledge is that wisdom itself preserves alive its owners.—

Do you have good internet habits? Is a chat room and a forum such as this one the same, similar or different, and why do you so say?
What is the solution???
Take care,
Hope12

[Skeptical Greg]

Originally posted by Hope12

Do you have good internet habits? Is a chat room and a forum such as this one the same, similar or different, and why do you so say?
What is the solution???
Take care,
Hope12 The solution is to know where your children are and what they are doing..
Turning your child loose and un-supervised in an internet chat room,is no different than sending them off to the mall with their friends without you...

P.S.

“Where are you from?� “Are you a girl or a boy?� “Can we talk?� The horror!! :eek:

[Frinkiak7]

Ditto what Diogenes said.

I would add, though, that it is not just enough to know where your kids are and what they're doing. You must make an effort to understand, as well. Lack of understanding will lead to one of two reactions: either complete lack of control or totalitarian control.

Personally, I've worked in the Internet business for years. I understand how chat rooms and message boards work. To quote Winston Zedmore, "I've seen s*** that will turn you white". However, based on my experience, I also know how to protect my son from the bad while giving him access to the good. I know quite a few people who are so terrified of what can be found on the net (with some justification) that they don't realize the huge benefits it can impart. Parents need to be educated about the potential, both good and bad, and how to rationally decide what is and is not good for their kids.

Research for homework? Good.

Games and entertainment? Good.

Unrestricted access to chat rooms and unsupervised IM sessions? Bad.

I'd like to see some sort of PSA or course that parents can take to educate them, and in turn, educate and protect their kids.

[Iacchus]

Originally posted by Hope12
Hello Everyone,

A female police detective specializing in Internet crime shows the dangers of Internet chat rooms. She entered a chat room, posing as a 14-year-old girl. After just a few seconds, a number of individuals made contact. The strangers asked such questions as: “Where are you from?� “Are you a girl or a boy?� “Can we talk?� Several responses were from suspected sexual predators that the police were tracking. That shows how easily a pedophile can get into a chat room with your child! It shows how easily they should be able to bust them too. Why don't they?

[Skeptical Greg]

That shows how easily a pedophile can get into a chat room with your child! A pedophile can be sitting next to you in church... So what ?






Waiting to see if Hope12 plans to engage or just squat and run...

[TragicMonkey]

Originally posted by Diogenes
Waiting to see if Hope12 plans to engage or just squat and run...

I'm seeing a trend. It looks like Hope12 is here to Announce Things Unto Us, and we're supposed to harken and be enlightened.

[Oregon_Skeptic]

Not to be a jerk, but why is this in Religion and Philosophy? Also, the initial post seems to be compiled from different sources, including the following:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/2197441.stm (http://http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/2197441.stm)

http://mentalhealth.about.com/cs/sexaddict/a/marriedflirt_2.htm (http://http://mentalhealth.about.com/cs/sexaddict/a/marriedflirt_2.htm)

[Frinkiak7]

Originally posted by TragicMonkey
I'm seeing a trend. It looks like Hope12 is here to Announce Things Unto Us, and we're supposed to harken and be enlightened.

If we're supposed to Harken, (s)he needs to update that terrible website. I thought embedded MIDI had gone the way of the dodo.

Ouch. My ears.

[P.S.A.]

Originally posted by Frinkiak7

I'd like to see some sort of PSA or course that parents can take to educate them, and in turn, educate and protect their kids.

I couldn't resist the obvious pun, but PSA states the best solution is to not have children in the first place :)

But being more serious, it isn't just children who need to be taught internet awareness. I know of one person who is happily married to someone whom she met via a chat room, and I'm currently dating someone I met online... but I also know a number of people who really screwed up badly due to not having common sense about the dynamics of internet communication; Adulthood doesn't come into it, because the heart is always young... and that means sometimes it does stupid things too.

[RandFan]

Originally posted by Oregon_Skeptic
Not to be a jerk, but why is this in Religion and Philosophy? Also, the initial post seems to be compiled from different sources, including the following: That is what I wanted to know. The world is a dangerous place folks. [que music from Green Day's Live without warning] Don't put your tounge on a cold pipe in december. Don't flash your lights at strangers. etc.,[/music from Green Day]

Oh hell, let's just post the lyrics.

This is a public service anouncement, this is only a test
Emergency evacuation protest
May Impair your ability to operate machinery
Can't quite tell just what it means to me
Keep out of reach of children, don't you talk to strangers
Get your philosophy from a bumper sticker

[Chorus:]
Warning. Live without warning
Say warning. Live without warning
Without. Alright.

[Verse 2:]
Better homes and safety-sealed communities
Did you remember to pay the utility?
Caution: Police line, you better not cross.
Is it the cop, or am I the one thats really dangerous?
Sanitation, expiration date, question everything.
Or shut up and be a victim of authority

[Chorus:]
Warning. Live without warning
Say warning. Live without warning
Say warning. Live without warning
Say warning. Live without warning
Without. Alright.

[Verse 3:]
Better homes and safety-sealed communities
Did you remember to pay the utility?
Caution: Police line, you better not cross.
Is it the cop, or am I the one that's really dangerous
Sanitation, expiration date, question everything.
Or shut up and be a victim of authority

[Chorus:]
Warning. Live without warning
Say warning. Live without warning
Say warning. Live without warning
Say warning. Live without warning
This is a public service anouncement, this is only a test

Oh, and see www.snopes.com Lot's of warnings there.

[TragicMonkey]

I think that the people who are clueless, helpless, and hopeless in chat rooms and become victims there are the same people who are clueless, helpless, and hopeless in bars and become victims there as well. I mean, if you can't tell who's on the level online, what chance do you have in real life? Yeah, you'd have an easier time telling if they were lying about their gender, age, and weight, but a line is a line. Naivete crosses the chat room/Real Life boundary.

[Ryokan]

Originally posted by Hope12
Children are not the only ones succumbing to the dangers of chat rooms. Using smooth speech to tell women what they wanted to hear, one man recently made six women in the United Kingdom fall in love with him at the same time. One of the victims, Cheryl, an attractive 27-year-old postgraduate student, said: “I just can’t explain it now. It became so intense it took over my whole life.�

Yeah, things like this never happened before the internet. Nor does it ever happen offline today.

[Gulliamo]

Originally posted by Hope12
Children are not the only ones succumbing to the dangers of chat rooms. Using smooth speech to tell women what they wanted to hear, one man recently made six women in the United Kingdom fall in love with him at the same time. One of the victims, Cheryl, an attractive 27-year-old postgraduate student, said: “I just can’t explain it now. It became so intense it took over my whole life.� Watch as the helpless, mindless woman gets "made" to fall in love with the cruel, cunning man. I have a solution! Let's self-empower all of these women and give them Free Choice! No, that would mean they would have to think for themselves and be responsible for their own adult decisions. Bad idea.
Originally posted by Hope12
“All I have to do is turn on my computer and I have thousands of women to choose from,� said one man questioned for a University of Florida research study conducted by Beatriz Avila Mileham. She stated: “The internet will soon become the most common form of infidelity, if it isn’t already.� I live in NYC. All I have to do is walk outside and I have thousands of women to choose from. What the heck does that have to do with anything?! Infidelity is in your head. If you are not loyal to your spouse then wearing a ring or unplugging your broadband is not going to change that. Likewise, if you are truly committed to a monogamous relationship then one doesn't need a wedding band or cyber-gatekeeper to keep one honest.

BTW... what is this doing in R&P?

[Zep]

Originally posted by Hope12
Hello Everyone,

A female police detective specializing in Internet crime shows the dangers of Internet chat rooms. She entered a chat room, posing as a 14-year-old girl. After just a few seconds, a number of individuals made contact. The strangers asked such questions as: “Where are you from?� “Are you a girl or a boy?� “Can we talk?� Several responses were from suspected sexual predators that the police were tracking. That shows how easily a pedophile can get into a chat room with your child!Or they could just be 15yo boys. Y'know, at that age, they DO try to chat up girls, and many girls aren't completely abhorent to being chatted up either. If they don't on the internet, they will at school and down at the mall. Where there are "predators" also, btw.

Originally posted by Hope12
Some parents think that children are safe when using chat rooms because their conversations are accessible by everyone in the chat room while the discussion is taking place. However, once in a chat room, you can be invited to have a one-on-one conversation. Referring to this practice, sometimes called whispering, the United Kingdom’s Internet Taskforce on Child Protection warns: “This is like stepping out of a party full of people into a private room and having a separate conversation with a stranger.�They can be invited to one-on-one chats, but that does not mean they are forced to participate. Internet savvy kids know when to click stuff off.

Originally posted by Hope12
It is also important for parents to understand that most pedophiles want to do more than chat with a child. A paper prepared by the Internet Crime Forum reports: “Contact initiated in chat rooms may well be developed through other media, such as email and cell phone.� A report from the U.S. Federal Bureau of Investigation states: “While talking to a child victim on-line is a thrill for a computer-sex offender, it can be very cumbersome. Most want to talk to the children on the telephone. They often engage in ‘phone sex’ with the children and often seek to set up an actual meeting for real sex.�And how is this different from going to a local dance or club? Or down to the mall in public? To the cinema? ANYWHERE in a public setting? At least on the internet it is not an immediate physical issue - the predators cannot physically force anyone to do anything.

Originally posted by Hope12
To accomplish this, computer-sex offenders will give out their phone number. Should your child call them, caller ID will reveal the child’s phone number. Other predators have toll-free numbers or tell the child to call collect. Some have even sent the child a cell phone. Offenders may also send letters, photographs, and gifts.So turn the caller-ID OFF! And keep an eye on who sends them what. You know - parenting?

Originally posted by Hope12
Children are not the only ones succumbing to the dangers of chat rooms. Using smooth speech to tell women what they wanted to hear, one man recently made six women in the United Kingdom fall in love with him at the same time. One of the victims, Cheryl, an attractive 27-year-old postgraduate student, said: “I just can’t explain it now. It became so intense it took over my whole life.�In what way does this differ from being picked up at a singles bar? Or a local disco? Or down the pub?

Originally posted by Hope12
“Women find cyberspace comforting because they are not being judged by their looks,� said Jenny Madden, the founder of Women in Cyberspace. “But they also leave themselves very open to manipulation because there is a tendency, in chat rooms particularly, to give away a lot about yourself very quickly.�Unlike being down the pub or at a disco... :rolleyes:

Originally posted by Hope12
“All I have to do is turn on my computer and I have thousands of women to choose from,� said one man questioned for a University of Florida research study conducted by Beatriz Avila Mileham. She stated: “The internet will soon become the most common form of infidelity, if it isn’t already.� “We are hearing from therapists around the country reporting online sexual activity to be a major cause of marital problems,� said Dr. Al Cooper, editor of the book Sex and the Internet: A Guidebook for Clinicians.Of course, no-one was ever unfaithful BEFORE the internet existed... There were never any marital problems or runaway wives or husbands. Oh no. The internet has brought this all on, hasn't it. :rolleyes:
Originally posted by Hope12
In view of these sobering facts, it is wise to take sensible precautions when using the Internet. Talk to your children, and teach them how to protect themselves from danger. Equipped with proper knowledge, you can avoid the dangers of the Internet. ...or indeed ANY situation where they may be coerced into doing something unwise.

Originally posted by Hope12
Ecclesiastes 7:12.
12 For wisdom is for a protection [the same as] money is for a protection; but the advantage of knowledge is that wisdom itself preserves alive its owners.—

Do you have good internet habits? Is a chat room and a forum such as this one the same, similar or different, and why do you so say?
What is the solution???
Take care,
Hope12 The solution lies not in villifying the communications medium as an excuse for poor parenting. This is the "blame someone else" syndrome. Instead, solutions lie in identifying the culprits, dealing with them, and in being good parents, internet or not.

[Achán hiNidráne]

Originally posted by Gulliamo
BTW... what is this doing in R&P?

Errrrrr... because the author slapped a Biblical quote on the bottom?

[Achán hiNidráne]

Originally posted by Hope12
“The internet will soon become the most common form of infidelity, if it isn’t already.� “We are hearing from therapists around the country reporting online sexual activity to be a major cause of marital problems,� said Dr. Al Cooper, editor of the book Sex and the Internet: A Guidebook for Clinicians.

Oh yeah, monogamy. I forgot that Christians want us to have sex with the same Old Fart/Douche Bag for the rest of our lives.

What fun.

[P.S.A.]

Originally posted by Zep
[B]Or they could just be 15yo boys. Y'know, at that age, they DO try to chat up girls, and many girls aren't completely abhorent to being chatted up either. If they don't on the internet, they will at school and down at the mall. Where there are "predators" also, btw.


World Wide Age Of Consent;

http://www.ageofconsent.com/ageofconsent.htm

Don't just go via the overall figures though, read the individual countries details. It shows such variety as this;

JAPAN LAWS: 1. Has no sodomy laws, the age of sexual consent for males ranges by local from age 13 to 17

Another area of interest would be the direction of sexual education, as a comparitive illustration of when countries expect their people (although mostly not wishing to encourage them) to be sexually active. In Britain, Sex Ed begins at age 11.

[Bikewer]

Just as an FYI, our police academy runs an ongoing training course in how to find and infiltrate these pedophile chats, and set up "dates" for subsequent arrests.

There have been a number of well-publicized arrests in the area.

[Frinkiak7]

Originally posted by P.S.A.

But being more serious, it isn't just children who need to be taught internet awareness. I know of one person who is happily married to someone whom she met via a chat room, and I'm currently dating someone I met online... but I also know a number of people who really screwed up badly due to not having common sense about the dynamics of internet communication; Adulthood doesn't come into it, because the heart is always young... and that means sometimes it does stupid things too.

No kidding. A co-worker of my wife is currently getting romanced by someone online. She seems oblivious to the fact that he lied to her about his real name, has lied numerous times about his so-called "business", and has sent pictures that clearly aren't of him. We want things to turn out well for her, but she seems to be wearing the Blinders of Desperation in regards to this guy.

[Hope12]

Originally posted by Diogenes
The solution is to know where your children are and what they are doing..
Turning your child loose and un-supervised in an internet chat room,is no different than sending them off to the mall with their friends without you...

P.S.

The horror!! :eek:

I agree one hundred percent diogenes and good reply. thank you.,

take care,
Hope12:)

[Yaotl]

What was the point of this thread?

[Bjorn]

Originally posted by Yaotl
What was the point of this thread? To show that the guy next to you on an internet forum probably is a copyright law molester and intellectual rights predator? :(

[Piscivore]

Originally posted by Bjorn
To show that the guy next to you on an internet forum probably is a copyright law molester and intellectual rights predator? :(

And that only strict adherence to certain select parts of The Bible(c) can protect you from The Big Mean Scary Evil World(t). :rolleyes:

[The idea]

Originally posted by Hope12
A female police detective specializing in Internet crime shows the dangers of Internet chat rooms. She entered a chat room, posing as a 14-year-old girl. After just a few seconds, a number of individuals made contact. The strangers asked such questions as: “Where are you from?� “Are you a girl or a boy?� “Can we talk?� [...]
People who want to meet hot female police detectives are going to read this article and then enter chat rooms and scout out the users who claim to be 14-year-old girls. They'll be pretty disappointed when they find out that lots of the users who claim to be 14-year-old girls are, in fact, 14-year-old girls.

[Gestahl]

Originally posted by Hope12

Is a chat room and a forum such as this one the same, similar or different, and why do you so say?


Somehow, I don't think that philosophy and critical thinking are topics of interest for either hebephiles (13 would not be a pre-pubescent child), pedophiles, or teens. Most teens seem to actually go after the opposite it seems....


What is the solution???


Umm... I don't know... how about BE A DIETY-DAMNED PARENT!. Educate, prepare, monitor, and involve yourself. Don't let your TV or a computer be a baby-sitter. I am sick and tired of everyone wanting to do everything in their power to isolate children from the realities of the world. Why do you think that teenagers and college students are so stupid, and maturity is taking longer and longer to reach in society? Discussing "bad" things with kids honestly and openly "corrupt" their minds. Not acknowledging these things doesn't make them go away. It just makes them ignorant and less prepared for when they *do* have to face them.

Or maybe it's just that the parents in this country are basically sheltered children themselves, and are incapable of doing so?

[Piscivore]

Originally posted by Gestahl
Somehow, I don't think that philosophy and critical thinking are topics of interest for either hebephiles (13 would not be a pre-pubescent child), pedophiles, or teens. Most teens seem to actually go after the opposite it seems....


No dung. My wife bought my daughter a "Teen People" (daughter is starting to become interested in clothes) and it was full of woo crap. An article about a 15-year-old "medium", horoscope nonsense on almost every page, etc. and ad nauseum.

[LostAngeles]

You know, as far as Caller ID goes, I believe it's *67 that will block it before you make a call and maybe it's *82 that blocks it always.

There's a handy tip if you don't feel like being a "Diety-Damned Parent." (Gestahl)

[Donks]

Originally posted by Bikewer
Just as an FYI, our police academy runs an ongoing training course in how to find and infiltrate these pedophile chats, and set up "dates" for subsequent arrests.

There have been a number of well-publicized arrests in the area.
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