That Wacky Old Jehovah

[Skeptical Greg]

Our discussion with Claus the Skepnificent had me browsing through Exodus, and this just tickled my funny bone..

Exodus 21 (New International Version)

20 If a man beats his male or female slave with a rod and the slave dies as a direct result, he must be punished, 21 but he is not to be punished if the slave gets up after a day or two, since the slave is his property.


You would think they could cover a few more eventualities, like what if they are in a coma for a year or two ?


The whole chapter is pretty hilarious..

http://bible.gospelcom.net/passage/?book_id=2&chapter=21&version=31

Anyone who insists on quoting the Old Testament as a basis for any behaviour, needs to have this gone over with them...

[Marquis de Carabas]

What counts as a direct result? If they die of an infection in one of the wounds you caused, is that a different penalty?

[TragicMonkey]

Originally posted by Marquis de Carabas
What counts as a direct result? If they die of an infection in one of the wounds you caused, is that a different penalty?

Unless Exodus is up on germ theory, such an infection would be the result of devils, and not the person who beat them. It's God's swill! I mean, will!

[Iacchus]

Oh, we can only hope to be so sure of ourselves! ...

[Marquis de Carabas]

Originally posted by Iacchus
Oh, we can only hope to be so sure of ourselves! ...
No, not only that. We can also believe that we aspire to think that we might possibly hope to be so sure of ourselves.

[Skeptical Greg]

Originally posted by Marquis de Carabas
No, not only that. We can also believe that we aspire to think that we might possibly hope to be so sure of ourselves. But what if it is only an illusion that we believe that we aspire to think that we might possibly hope to be so sure of ourselves.

[Iacchus]

Originally posted by Marquis de Carabas
No, not only that. We can also believe that we aspire to think that we might possibly hope to be so sure of ourselves. Just so long as we understand what drives our beliefs. So, why should you expect God to prove Himself to you by mocking Him?

[Marquis de Carabas]

Originally posted by Diogenes
But what if it is only an illusion that we believe that we aspire to think that we might possibly hope to be so sure of ourselves.
It might just appear to be an illusion that we believe that we aspire to think that we might possibly hope to be so sure of ourselves.

Originally posted by Cap'n Sparky
So, why should you expect God to prove Himself to you by mocking Him?
Green. Perhaps fading to blue near the bottom. Yeah, that'd look nice.

[Iacchus]

Originally posted by Marquis de Carabas
Green. Perhaps fading to blue near the bottom. Yeah, that'd look nice. Hey, maybe this is all the faith that God requires, is that we have an open mind?

[Skeptical Greg]

Originally posted by Marquis de Carabas
It might just appear to be an illusion that we believe that we aspire to think that we might possibly hope to be so sure of ourselves.


[Homer voice ] .. The illusion of an illusion. Hmmmmm.. [/voice]

[Skeptical Greg]

Originally posted by Iacchus
Hey, maybe this is all the faith that God requires, is that we have an open mind? An open mind? About beating our slaves ?


I'll have to think about that...

[Iacchus]

Originally posted by Diogenes
An open mind? About beating our slaves ?

I'll have to think about that... And coming from someone who's no doubt a determinist, what's that supposed to mean? Do you believe that man is endowed with free will?

[Z]

Originally posted by Iacchus
And coming from someone who's no doubt a determinist, what's that supposed to mean? Do you believe that man is endowed with free will?

Man may be well endowed, but his will has a price. :D

[Riddick]

@OP: all of this jref material will be really cutting edge in a couple thousand years.

[Skeptical Greg]

Originally posted by Riddick
@OP: all of this jref material will be really cutting edge in a couple thousand years. No it won't.. There will be a 23rd century JREF, unlike the Bible, which sounds more stupid the older it gets..

[arthwollipot]

Originally posted by Iacchus
Just so long as we understand what drives our beliefs. So, why should you expect God to prove Himself to you by mocking Him?

Because all other methods have failed?

[Beerina]

Originally posted by Diogenes
Our discussion with Claus the Skepnificent had me browsing through Exodus, and this just tickled my funny bone..

Exodus 21 (New International Version)

20 If a man beats his male or female slave with a rod and the slave dies as a direct result, he must be punished, 21 but he is not to be punished if the slave gets up after a day or two, since the slave is his property.


You would think they could cover a few more eventualities, like what if they are in a coma for a year or two ?



Hehe. Well, he's still property. After all, if he were brain damaged such he cannot do any useful work anymore, well, remember an owner gets to damage his own property at his whim.

Here's the real question though: What if he damages the slave so much the slave can no longer meaningfully accept Jesus, and at the point of brain damagification, he was not yet in a state of grace?




So, why should you expect God to prove Himself to you by mocking Him?

We don't. We expect to make him cry, which he deserves.