Cheney on Dean: "He's never won anything"

[RandFan]

Cheney Criticizes Dean Over Remarks (http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20050612/ap_on_el_ge/cheney_dean_1)

WASHINGTON - Howard Dean is "over the top," Vice President Dick Cheney says, calling the Democrats' chairman "not the kind of individual you want to have representing your political party."

"I've never been able to understand his appeal. Maybe his mother loved him, but I've never met anybody who does. He's never won anything, as best I can tell," Cheney said in an interview to be aired Monday on Fox News Channel's "Hannity & Colmes."

Dean was elected governor of Vermont five times between 1992 and 2000. He ran for the 2004 Democratic presidential nomination but closed down his campaign after poor showings in early primaries. "Never won anything"? This isn't Cheney's first such gaffe. Dumb, real dumb.

[hgc]

Originally posted by RandFan
"Never won anything"? This isn't Cheney's first such gaffe. Dumb, real dumb. Dumb, eh? Crazy like a fox, I say. He knows damn well that Dean was elected governor many times over.

Cheney has uttered an unprecedented string of outright lies over the last 4 years, and they go largely unremarked or unpunished in any way. What endures is his desired effect of launching favorable memes, since his intended audience is completely impervious to reality (e.g., WMD in Iraq). Why wouldn't he do it again in this case?

[RandFan]

Originally posted by hgc
Dumb, eh? Crazy like a fox, I say. He knows damn well that Dean was elected governor many times over.

Cheney has uttered an unprecedented string of outright lies over the last 4 years, and they go largely unremarked or unpunished in any way. What endures is his desired effect of launching favorable memes, since his intended audience is completely impervious to reality (e.g., WMD in Iraq). Why wouldn't he do it again in this case? Hmmmm..... yeah, ok. I'll buy that. Makes more sense than he just didn't know the background of a one time potential contender for the presidency. It's insulting but the fault doesn't lie with you hgc.

[Charlie Monoxide]

Didn't veep Cheney also deny ever meeting John Edwards in the debates? John was clearly taken aback from the comment and IIRC he didn't respond to the comment, err lie.

I guess bald-face lying is a good way to put your opponents off guard.

Cheney and Rove are the evil masterminds of the current GOP administration.

Charlie (brutally honest) Monoxide

[RandFan]

Originally posted by Charlie Monoxide
Cheney and Rove are the evil masterminds of the current GOP administration. Why can't they just be garden variety cynical politicians who think the ends justify the means? How do you define evil?

[Regnad Kcin]

Originally posted by RandFan
How do you define evil? Bald, with a sneer. Voila!

;)

[TragicMonkey]

Originally posted by RandFan
Why can't they just be garden variety cynical politicians who think the ends justify the means? How do you define evil?

That's funny. One of my definitions of evil is "thinking that the ends justifies the means".

[RandFan]

Originally posted by TragicMonkey
That's funny. One of my definitions of evil is "thinking that the ends justifies the means". So if I steal to feed my children am I evil?

[Roadtoad]

Originally posted by TragicMonkey
That's funny. One of my definitions of evil is "thinking that the ends justifies the means".

Okay, then. We add "bald with a sneer" to it, and the next thing we do is start goose-stepping our way down Pennsylvania Avenue. :rolleyes:

[RandFan]

Originally posted by Regnad Kcin
Bald, with a sneer. Voila!

;) ONE MILION DOLLARS!

[TragicMonkey]

Originally posted by RandFan
So if I steal to feed my children am I evil?

It's justified evil, not good. If there was another way to feed your children and you didn't take it, and stole instead, then it's not even justified.

[TragicMonkey]

Originally posted by Roadtoad
Okay, then. We add "bald with a sneer" to it, and the next thing we do is start goose-stepping our way down Pennsylvania Avenue. :rolleyes:

I wasn't commenting on Cheney and Co., I was expressing an opinion on the definition of evil. I didn't suggest Cheney was evil, or that he thinks the ends justifies the means.

I don't know him well enough to know whether he's evil. I suspect he's just bitchy.

[CapelDodger]

Originally posted by Charlie Monoxide
Cheney and Rove are the evil masterminds of the current GOP administration. Which cannot be said too often or too brutally.

[corplinx]

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[RandFan]

Originally posted by TragicMonkey
It's justified evil, not good. I question your definition. To me there is that which is wrong, that which is justified but otherwise wrong and then there is evil (perhaps a bit oversimplified). That is just my opinion though and I don't see any point in a symantecal debate. I think I understand what you are saying and I will agree with your sentiment.

I don't simply see ends justifying the means as *evil.

Evil (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evil) is a term describing that which is regarded as morally bad, intrinsically corrupt, wantonly destructive, inhumane, selfish, or wicked. We will just have to disagree with the definition of the word.

[RandFan]

Originally posted by corplinx
. You make a good point though I'm not certain I completly agree.

[Regnad Kcin]

Originally posted by RandFan
ONE MILION DOLLARS! Which makes me contemplate whether the Vice President has ever been known to stroke a hairless pussy.

[Ed]

Originally posted by Charlie Monoxide
Didn't veep Cheney also deny ever meeting John Edwards in the debates? John was clearly taken aback from the comment and IIRC he didn't respond to the comment, err lie.


Charlie (brutally honest) Monoxide

If such a transparent and elementery ploy could shake up a potential VP then I think we are better off without him.

[RandFan]

Originally posted by Regnad Kcin
Which makes me contemplate whether the Vice President has ever been known to stroke a hairless pussy. Oh, that is sooooo bad. :D I'll have to ask Lynne.

[Manny]

Originally posted by Regnad Kcin
Which makes me contemplate whether the Vice President has ever been known to stroke a hairless pussy. Heh. What's this board's policy on dirty jokes if they don't actually contain any dirty words? I've got a good one starring Cheney and Bush.

[RandFan]

Originally posted by manny
Heh. What's this board's policy on dirty jokes if they don't actually contain any dirty words? I've got a good one starring Cheney and Bush. You mean Dick and George?

[Bob Klase]

Didn't veep Cheney also deny ever meeting John Edwards in the debates? John was clearly taken aback from the comment and IIRC he didn't respond to the comment, err lie.

I guess bald-face lying is a good way to put your opponents off guard.

Why is it that every time Cheney says something that's incorrect it becomes a "bald-face lie", but the same doesn't apply to (selected) others (like Kerry)?

For example, how could Kerry forget that he wasn't in Cambodia Christmas of 1967? Was that a mistake or a bald-faced lie?

[Batman Jr.]

Originally posted by RandFan
"Never won anything"? This isn't Cheney's first such gaffe. Dumb, real dumb.
It's also a good sign for Deaniacs. Cheney genuinely feels threatened by Dean and remarks like these definitely show it.

[corplinx]

Originally posted by Batman Jr.
Cheney genuinely feels threatened by Dean and remarks like these definitely show it.

You really think Cheney believes that? He's up for retirement in a few years and I doubt he cares less about Howard Dean.

I mean honestly, he was just trash talking the guy and I think we're all being a little over-analytic about it.

[Charlie Monoxide]

Evil definition posted by RandFan:
Evil is a term describing that which is regarded as morally bad, intrinsically corrupt, wantonly destructive, inhumane, selfish, or wicked.

- morally bad: let's just use the lying and swearing habits of Cheney as examples

- instrinsically corrupt: Hali (cough) burton

- wantonly destructive: have you seen Iraq lately?

- inhumane: have you been to Gitmo lately?

- selfish: let's do away with the filibuster, buster!

- wicked: How Rove schemed to eat their own with the McCain treatment during the GOP leadership run seems wicked to me


I do believe Cheney and Rove could use a good dose of sincere humanity ....

Charlie (they also have evil hairstyles) Monoxide

[Roadtoad]

We can argue over whether Cheney is evil or not, but I don't think we can debate whether or not he's a petty and childish individual. This is right in line with his telling Sen. Patrick Leahy to "Go f*** yourself." He's a fairly cruel and insulting person.

Frankly, he might be a good leader in some respects, (I said, "some," and that doesn't mean he's a good man), but I wouldn't want to spend much time with him. And certainly no more than I absolutely had to.

[RandFan]

Originally posted by Charlie Monoxide
Evil definition posted by RandFan:
Evil is a term describing that which is regarded as morally bad, intrinsically corrupt, wantonly destructive, inhumane, selfish, or wicked.

- morally bad: let's just use the lying and swearing habits of Cheney as examples

- instrinsically corrupt: Hali (cough) burton

- wantonly destructive: have you seen Iraq lately?

- inhumane: have you been to Gitmo lately?

- selfish: let's do away with the filibuster, buster!

- wicked: How Rove schemed to eat their own with the McCain treatment during the GOP leadership run seems wicked to me


I do believe Cheney and Rove could use a good dose of sincere humanity ....

Charlie (they also have evil hairstyles) Monoxide I don't buy a single one of your examples. Thanks though.

[Charlie Monoxide]

Originally posted by RandFan
I don't buy a single one of your examples. Thanks though. No problemo ....

Charlie (keeping it civil) Monoxide

[RandFan]

Originally posted by Charlie Monoxide
No problemo .... I suppose that you deserve more than gainsaying.

morally bad: let's just use the lying and swearing habits of Cheney as examples. Swearing? I guess you didn't know that people swear. I don't know if it is morally bad but by this logic most if not all American presidents are evil. Lying? Lying is wrong. I can't justify it. I can try to understand it. Again, by this logic we have not had any presidents that passed your test for not being evil.

instrinsically corrupt: Hali (cough) burton Perhaps your best example. I think it is indicative of something seriously wrong it doesn't prove intrinsic corruption and I'm not certain you know the definition of intrinsic.

wantonly destructive: have you seen Iraq lately? Pure and utter horse *****. No one in the Bush administration wants what is happening now or is at all happy about the death or indifferent to the suffering.

inhumane: have you been to Gitmo lately? Could you make a case? How is Gitmo inhumane and is it intentional on the part of the administration that it is inhumane?

- selfish: let's do away with the filibuster, buster! Selfish? Your example is pathetic. Politicians are political, duh. The Dems were adept at being "selfish" when they were in power.

[b]- wicked: How Rove schemed to eat their own with the McCain treatment during the GOP leadership run seems wicked to mePolitics, McCain seems to have gotten over it.

Your examples are poor and render the word "evil" trite.

[zakur]

Asked to comment on Cheney's words, uttered on Fox News, Dean responded (http://abclocal.go.com/wls/news/061205_ns_howard_dean.html):My view is FOX News is a propaganda outlet for the Republican Party and I don't comment on FOX News.:D :clap:

[Manny]

I swear, whatever Karl Rove is paying Dean it's not enough.