Girl on girl!

[clarsct]

HA! Fooled ya!

But seriously, I have a semi-valid question. It has come to my attention recently that several of my female co-workers(cow-orkers are in a different thread) have admitted to having sexual relations with another woman. Needless to say, I was a bit taken aback. It seems that just ten years or so ago, these things wouldn't have come out. (Or is it that I lived in a small town in the Midwest?) At any rate, I saw 'Elektra' the other night, and couldn't help but notice the girl-girl kiss. There was a little stir about it, but in the end, it didn't recieve a whole lot of attention. It's as if, in some lame-arse movies, it's become obligatory to draw a male audience. It occured to me that we've seen more and more mainstream movies with "lesbian" kisses in them. Most of the women I'm talking about at work here are between the ages of 19 and 25.
So I guess my question is:
Are the pervasive "lesbian" kisses in mainstream movies changing our social and cultural barriers to such activity? It is becoming more popular, as well as socially acceptable, for girls to 'experiment' with each other?

I acknowledge that these are the type of thoughts that kept me out of the REALLY good schools, however I am interested in what people think.

[ingoa]

From my personal experience I would rather guess that the media are recognizing reality. Most of my girlfriends either had lesbian experiences or at least dreamed about it.
According to researchers (no link, to lazy, but is is considered 'common wisdom' in Europe) most boys have similar expiriences while growing up. I second that. But that's only a short period. It changes over time.

On the other hand... In Europe (France, Italy, Spain, Russia, whatsoever) kissing is a social exchange. I've been kissing males and females without any sexual context. Is that an issue?

Needless to say, I was a bit taken aback.

Why? I did not involve you. So, what's your problem?

Are the pervasive "lesbian" kisses in mainstream movies changing our social and cultural barriers to such activity? It is becoming more popular, as well as socially acceptable, for girls to 'experiment' with each other?

I hope it is accepted, as well as male homosexual activities. Who cares what other people do in their lives? It's their business. Even, more important. It's movies! There are five Batman movies in the meantime. Not many disguised bats are hanging around my place yet. Maybe people know the difference between fact and fiction. :con2:

[Meadmaker]

Originally posted by clarsct

I acknowledge that these are the type of thoughts that kept me out of the REALLY good schools

That's really funny.

I also think you are correct.

[Jas]

Originally posted by clarsct
But seriously, I have a semi-valid question. It has come to my attention recently that several of my female co-workers(cow-orkers are in a different thread) have admitted to having sexual relations with another woman. Needless to say, I was a bit taken aback. It seems that just ten years or so ago, these things wouldn't have come out. (Or is it that I lived in a small town in the Midwest?)

I think that there are several factors involved:

1. Homosexuality being more accepted in general, so people don't feel the same need to suppress their feelings, and are more open to experimentation.

2. How pervasive the girl/girl thing is in the media...lets face it...you don't see boy/boy kisses nearly as often.

There was a little stir about it, but in the end, it didn't recieve a whole lot of attention. It's as if, in some lame-arse movies, it's become obligatory to draw a male audience. It occured to me that we've seen more and more mainstream movies with "lesbian" kisses in them. Most of the women I'm talking about at work here are between the ages of 19 and 25.


3. I think also part of it is the entire 'promiscuity' generation, and the sexualization of younger and younger girls. They see lesbian behaviour not so much as an expression of inate sexuality, but more of an attention getting device. Boys like it.

The main problem I have with it is how girls are willing to kiss other girls to impress boys, but I don't see (m)any boys willing to engage in sexual activity with members of the same sex in order to get attention (granted, it doesn't seem to have the same allure for females as it does males). I can't think of any mainsteam movies off the top of my head which feature guy on guy action (in anything other than a comedic, reluctant, fashion).

[Magyar]

Originally posted by Jas
I


They see lesbian behaviour not so much as an expression of inate sexuality, but more of an attention getting device. Boys like it.

The main problem I have with it is how girls are willing to kiss other girls to impress boys, but I don't see (m)any boys willing to engage in sexual activity with members of the same sex in order to get attention (granted, it doesn't seem to have the same allure for females as it does males). I can't think of any mainsteam movies off the top of my head which feature guy on guy action (in anything other than a comedic, reluctant, fashion).

Well, I am not sure about your comment on the lack of allure for females. I saw a recent Berman and Berman show where the number 1 femalefantasy was a trio with 2 males. Granted this may not involve direct m/m activity, but it certainly involves sexual contact. I think, no I KNOW that in general the only way that this is considered acceptable in US society is if the girl is a who*& and the 2 guys are frat brothers.

At the same time girls are not only allowed bu t incouraged to be
hugy and kissy(even without any sexual conotations) This fosters a much more relaxed and safer environment in which to experiment. Where is there a "safe" environment for boys to experiment or even discuss sex without it turning into a pissing match about whos "tool" is bigger? Add to this that if your girlfriend came to you and said I want us to sleep with another woman, you'd consider yourself the "luckiest man n earth" vs
if your girlfriend said letssleep with another man

[Bruce]

What's my opinion?


This thread was terribly disappointing. :(

[Jas]

Originally posted by Magyar
Well, I am not sure about your comment on the lack of allure for females. I saw a recent Berman and Berman show where the number 1 femalefantasy was a trio with 2 males. Granted this may not involve direct m/m activity, but it certainly involves sexual contact.



A menage a trois with a 2:1 guy/girl ration, is a bit different than watching two guys go at it in the bar, imo.

[brookus]

The world could always use more hot girl on girl action. Why would there even be a debate about this?

[corplinx]

Women are slowly figuring out that sexual behavior doesn't necessarily reflect their sexual orientation.....

Men to a large degree still see the world in a gay/straight view. Who you pork is who you are.

[Regnad Kcin]

Originally posted by clarsct
...At any rate, I saw 'Elektra' the other night, and couldn't help but notice the girl-girl kiss. There was a little stir about it, but in the end, it didn't recieve a whole lot of attention. It's as if, in some lame-arse movies, it's become obligatory to draw a male audience. It occured to me that we've seen more and more mainstream movies with "lesbian" kisses in them...Go rent David Lynch's Mulholland Drive. You'll thank me later. (Pretty good film, too.)

[punchdrunk]

Like Dave Chappelle, I have a "one penis per fantasy" rule. I suspect most other guys do too. But what I've found is that women often also feel the same way. I've even collected some anecdotal evidence on this theory, sometimes to the point of obsession :) Ask what she thinks of girl-on-girl, and I usually get a "doesn't sicken me but doesn't excite me" kind of response, whereas when I ask about guy-on-guy, I usually get a "that's gross."

I blame the media.

Thank you, thank you, thank you media!

[Renfield]

I imagine its a media and cultural thing, largely. Girls like the attention (excuse me, some girls - don't want to get howard dean'ed here), like you said, and it doesn't carry the stigma that it used to.

Its pretty trendy among the youngsters, these days, seen as a very bold thing to do (though like a lot of things that become trendy, it has lost a lot of its rebellious edge in reality).

[Kiless]

Originally posted by clarsct
Are the pervasive "lesbian" kisses in mainstream movies changing our social and cultural barriers to such activity? It is becoming more popular, as well as socially acceptable, for girls to 'experiment' with each other?

How socially acceptable is a male to male kiss in a mainstream movie?


In summary, I think society is almost... trivialising?.... lesbian love by doing this. Sure, we're getting kisses but off the top of my head are we seeing modelling of happy lesbian relationships in the film that are accepted as the norm or at least, faces the challenges of being gay in a modern (or sometimes, latter era, depends on the film) and overcomes the odds or reflects that it's just as genuine a relationship as a hetrosexual one?

When I start seeing Brad Pitt and Edward Norton in a mainstream, widely accepted movie, playing a gay couple who get up to just as much stuff that is seen as acceptable by heterosexual couples portrayed in a film, then I'll be less cynical.

[RandFan]

Originally posted by clarsct
At any rate, I saw 'Elektra' the other night, and couldn't help but notice the girl-girl kiss.

...

So I guess my question is:

Are the pervasive "lesbian" kisses in mainstream movies changing our social and cultural barriers to such activity? It is becoming more popular, as well as socially acceptable, for girls to 'experiment' with each other? I've noticed the same thing. Hmmmm.... Maybe that says more about me. In any event I was chanel surfing the other day and I came accross a show that I was unfamiliar with. It had a Friends fell to it. A group of young adults were playing a game and one girl was supposed to kiss someone from the other team on a dare. Everyone assumed she was going to kiss a boy and at the last minute she kissed a girl. This isn't my kind of show but I have TIVO so I did some research and watched it a few times. Purely educational.

I've watched Selma Hyak (sp?) kiss Ashley Judd in the Movie Frieda. I had to watch that a few times for research also. Looks like I'm going to have to rent Elektra.

What's the deal with guys liking this so much? I've never figured it out.

[Hutch]

Originally posted by clarsct
Are the pervasive "lesbian" kisses in mainstream movies changing our social and cultural barriers to such activity? It is becoming more popular, as well as socially acceptable, for girls to 'experiment' with each other?

I do not have the facts in front of me, but IIRC Kinsley and other researchers have shown a tendency of young women to 'experiment' sexually with each other to a greater extent than males, possibly because on the average women mature sexually sooner than males and often form closer and more "touchy-feeley" relationships (and yes, I know this may be playing into stereotypes and righteous wrath may descend upon me, but I think if pressed I can find the support). Males, because of social, culture, and 'macho' mores learned from peers, are less likely to experiment.

I would also note that most Adult Video stores have sizeable collections of Lesbian films (Or so I have heard ;) ) and I have reason to doubt that many lesbians visit these store to purchase these movies (again, one observes things now and then ;) ;) ) so somebody is buying them.

Female sexuality of any type has always been more obvious because it gives males a thrill in all it's permutations. Now if women ever get to be in charge....

[Beerina]

Originally posted by Jas
I think that there are several factors involved:

2. How pervasive the girl/girl thing is in the media...lets face it...you don't see boy/boy kisses nearly as often.



3. I think also part of it is the entire 'promiscuity' generation, and the sexualization of younger and younger girls. They see lesbian behaviour not so much as an expression of inate sexuality, but more of an attention getting device. Boys like it.

The main problem I have with it is how girls are willing to kiss other girls to impress boys, but I don't see (m)any boys willing to engage in sexual activity with members of the same sex in order to get attention (granted, it doesn't seem to have the same allure for females as it does males). I can't think of any mainsteam movies off the top of my head which feature guy on guy action (in anything other than a comedic, reluctant, fashion).

This is it in a nutshell.

The "Girls Gone Wild" effect has even reached the Jr. High level. My daughter, a sophomore in high school, was helping out at an all-night Jr. High "lock in" party. She said two of the girls started making out to the cheers of the boys.

[Beerina]

Originally posted by Hutch
[Girls have] more "touchy-feeley" relationships (and yes, I know this may be playing into stereotypes and righteous wrath may descend upon me, but I think if pressed I can find the support).

Ummm, no need to hide this sentiment. If anyone calls you on it, point out that men's less "touchy-feeley" relationships lead to wars and extermination camps.

[Mephisto]

How come no one gets angry with you for using an enigmatic, hook of a subject line?

Originally posted by Ladewig
Not as much as I am at odds with people who write confusingly short thread titles.

Please write more descriptive titles so that people who slow connections can decide whether or not to open threads.

http://forums.randi.org/newreply.php?action=newreply&postid=1870930685&



;)

[Dorian Gray]

Originally posted by corplinx
Women are slowly figuring out that sexual behavior doesn't necessarily reflect their sexual orientation.....

Men to a large degree still see the world in a gay/straight view. Who you pork is who you are. So if you have sex with a woman ..... you're a woman?

[Dorian Gray]

I hope this makes everyone feel better:

http://imagecache2.allposters.com/images/pic/145/PH0136~Kiss.jpg

You're welcome.

[Kiless]

I just don't get why men find women kissing women attractive. Sorry, maybe I'm just totally naive or something. :confused: It isn't as if the women are signalling that they're interested in a man, in any way.

[RandFan]

Originally posted by Kiless
I just don't get why men find women kissing women attractive. Sorry, maybe I'm just totally naive or something. :confused: It isn't as if the women are signalling that they're interested in a man, in any way. Ya got me. I have spent many, many hours contemplating this conundrum. What is odd is that the less likely the girls are to be interested in a man the more interested I am in them. I have heard many theories but none of them are convincing.

[Donks]

Originally posted by Kiless
I just don't get why men find women kissing women attractive. Sorry, maybe I'm just totally naive or something. :confused: It isn't as if the women are signalling that they're interested in a man, in any way.
We like watching a hot woman doing sexy stuff. So far, so good, right?
Just add another hot woman and profit.

[Kiless]

Originally posted by RandFan
Ya got me. I have spent many, many hours contemplating this conundrum. What is odd is that the less likely the girls are to be interested in a man the more interested I am in them. I have heard many theories but none of them are convincing.

And if the women in question are having sex with one another, it's even less likely they're interested in men. Although, if you were performing in pornography, it could be different, I guess. Is it a perhaps a 'want what can't have' thing? Are there women who find homosexual male sex erotic, perhaps?

[Bruce]

Originally posted by Dorian Gray
I hope this makes everyone feel better:

http://imagecache2.allposters.com/images/pic/145/PH0136~Kiss.jpg


Finally, we're getting somewhere. http://www.skepticalcommunity.com/phpbb2/images/smiles/Popcorn.gif

[Regnad Kcin]

Originally posted by Donks
We like watching a hot woman doing sexy stuff. So far, so good, right?Sort of. But it begs the question: Why is it sexy?

My take on the girl-on-girl deal is rather long, and I haven't time to, er, get into it right now. But suffice it to say that I think it keys into basic reproduction/fertility communication issues. Men are, generally speaking, hot wired to be on the lookout for and responsive to sexual signals as displayed by women of child-bearing capability. Some of these are cultural, some are strong or subtle, some are unusual. But in any case, show a man a woman who is very apparently "good to go" and his interest will likely be heightened. Now multiply that times two.*

They say never go shopping for groceries when you're hungry. Well, men tend to be "hungry" all the time. It's no wonder that if we're shown a Sam's Club pallet full of cheesecake that our mouths will water.

*Which begs its own question: If two women are having some kind of sex, why would they need a man? The short answer is not that they don't, but that the man viewing the act (or, with kissing or petting, its prelude) is not threatened, since there is not apparent another man. One who, biologically speaking, could be seen as a direct threat to the first man's chances for reproductive opportunity.

[Seismosaurus]

Originally posted by Kiless
I just don't get why men find women kissing women attractive. Sorry, maybe I'm just totally naive or something. :confused: It isn't as if the women are signalling that they're interested in a man, in any way.

My take on it is this : watching girl on girl porn, you get all the upside of seeing the sex, without the downside of having to watch a naked guy.

I mean, I for one don't like to see naked men. It's a big turn-off. In normal porn the camera focuses heavily on the woman, and you can further ignore the guy yourself to an extent. But he's still there and, well, he's kinda hard to miss!

With lesbian porn the issue is solved, there's no man there to get in the way!

[RandFan]

There are different styles of porn with lesbian themes. A very popular "style" for lack of a better word is the glamour shots of two model-perfect women who are obviously posed in typically rediculous ersatz sexual interaction. "Ohhh, she's licking my knee....mmmmm..." Give me a break. Nice to look at but mildly....ahhh, stimulating.

Then there is the stuff that for whatever reason seems more believable.

One of the best photo layouts...er, spreads, whatever, I have ever seen was a coffee table, hard bound book that had scant nudity and no direct sexual contact. some holding and hugging and a kiss or two. The best I can describe it is a look at the day in the life of two very close women. Shopping in an open air market, window shopping, preparing dinner, drinking wine by the fire. The poses were all higly suggestive in very subtle ways. I haven't seen that book in more than 20 years and I still remember it as clear as though I had seen it yesterday. I remember the book store and where it was located (Redondo Beach, CA) even though I have not been back to the store. I remember much of the events of the day and my reason for being there (not to look at porn). My only regret was not purchasing the book. I keep an eye out for it and won't pass it up again if ever I get the chance.

[RandFan]

Originally posted by Seismosaurus
I mean, I for one don't like to see naked men. It's a big turn-off. In normal porn the camera focuses heavily on the woman, and you can further ignore the guy yourself to an extent. But he's still there and, well, he's kinda hard to miss! I have no problem personally with naked men. When watching porn I prefer to see all of the man. I hate the movies at hotels where they don't really show anything but women's breasts.

I don't otherwise care to look at naked men but I like them in the presence of naked women.

[shecky]

Maybe it's just me, but the girl-on-girl mainstream media stuff seems so 1995. Boy-boy still seems much more taboo, however. Even male frontal nudity is pretty rare in mainstream stuff.

[kedo1981]

I read an anthropologists opinion on this some yarns ago
1: human sexuality has been evolving (right along with us) for 3 million (plus) years so most sexual (fantasies) are very old.
2: The need to reproduce, trumps nearly all other behaviors so it is reasonable to assume that we would evolve behaviors that would help “facilitate� reproduction.
3: Females generally out number males, so the small hunter gatherer communities that we live in for hundreds of thousands of years, probably would have multiple females of child bearing age and a “couple� of males who had to spend a lot of time hunting and defending.
4: The more “aroused� a man is, the more sperm (and better) he makes, the more he is interested in the sex the more he is willing to provide food and protection to the little clan thus helping to ensure more and healthier offspring.
5: A female, having another female as “love interest� may insure that she has a more in tune partner for her (or each others, and the baby) health needs.
6: Two women can more easily defend themselves against the sometimes “brutish� male.

[shemp]

I don't really care about any of the issues here. Do your co-workers like to be watched, and if so, how do I hook up with them? :D

[Legacy76]

I have spent a lot of time wondering about the same thing. Women are beautiful. They are soft, pretty, cuddly, ...just beautiful. Boys are ugly and hairy.
Two women.....twice the beauty.
Its a beautiful thing, and the nexus of many a male fantasy.
My wife thinks that seeing two men make out is gross. She just kind of rolls her eyes at two women, but without the gross factor. I wish I could change her mind.....

[TragicMonkey]

Originally posted by Legacy76
I have spent a lot of time wondering about the same thing. Women are beautiful. They are soft, pretty, cuddly, ...just beautiful. Boys are ugly and hairy.
Two women.....twice the beauty.
Its a beautiful thing, and the nexus of many a male fantasy.
My wife thinks that seeing two men make out is gross. She just kind of rolls her eyes at two women, but without the gross factor. I wish I could change her mind.....

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

[Kiless]

Originally posted by TragicMonkey
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

Agreed. :)

[AWPrime]

Yes, sex does seem to be all about the woman.

[clarsct]

Originally posted by ingoa
From my personal experience I would rather guess that the media are recognizing reality. Most of my girlfriends either had lesbian experiences or at least dreamed about it.
According to researchers (no link, to lazy, but is is considered 'common wisdom' in Europe) most boys have similar expiriences while growing up. I second that. But that's only a short period. It changes over time.

On the other hand... In Europe (France, Italy, Spain, Russia, whatsoever) kissing is a social exchange. I've been kissing males and females without any sexual context. Is that an issue?



Why? I did not involve you. So, what's your problem?
Well, not in that way. I was surprised that it was so widespread. I had thought of it as just another media trick picked up by Hollywood to sell stupid crap. I have known a few lesbians, but they were..well....different, I guess. They looked, acted and talked different. These are girls with boyfriends, husbands and children. The "true" lesbians I've known were 'hardcore' as it were. In-your-face you-want-a-F##kin'-problem? kinds of gals. We got along famously.(no sarcasm) I guess, once the subject was breached amongst a group of my friends and co-workers, that it was more prominent a thing that I had anticipated. Many said they experimented, but didn't like it, but more than a few said they'd do it again. And at least one has both a boyfriend and a girlfriend. I wound up with a whole conversation between three ladies about how to make love to other women! All this from my review of 'Elektra'! Well, I dunno. Maybe I grew up in a very small town and this kind of thing didn't happen that often. Maybe it's more frequent in the 'Big Cities'. It just surprised me. I'm not for nor against. Do what feels good with the consenting adults around you. Hell, we only go through once, anyway. Right?



I hope it is accepted, as well as male homosexual activities. Who cares what other people do in their lives? It's their business. Even, more important. It's movies! There are five Batman movies in the meantime. Not many disguised bats are hanging around my place yet. Maybe people know the difference between fact and fiction. :con2:

*chuckle* Yes, but does life imitate art or art imitate life?

[clarsct]

Originally posted by TragicMonkey
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

Ahhhh

TM

You get to lead in to my next question.

Why is girl-girl sex more socially acceptable than guy-guy?

I read above someone tried an evolutionary stab at it. To which I say 'BAH!'. The same could be said in reverse. Women could find men who make out with other men more virile, and more capable of giving love and security. Two men around makes for a safer home. Et cetera et cetera. I think it's more fear than anything. Guy-guy relations are 'scarier' to some folks. But why? Is this the product of a religious upbringing?

I mean, the point of porn is to watch people F***, right? so why get upset because there's a guy there. I don't see many women that actually admit to watching porn get upset because there's naked women. So what's the deal?

[clarsct]

Originally posted by shemp
I don't really care about any of the issues here. Do your co-workers like to be watched, and if so, how do I hook up with them? :D


*chuckle* If I ever find out, I'll let you know;) :D

But seriously. Shemp, Bruce, Mephisto, Dorian Grey:

I'll ask the same question Kiless did: Why so interested?
If you'd seen the 'hardcore' lesbians I've met, you wouldn't be so interested, I think. They aren't bad looking women, it's just that they'd rip your lungs out for suggesting putting any form of man in their bedroom. And it shines through in the way they look at you. It's hard to explain, but it's there.

[TragicMonkey]

Originally posted by clarsct
Ahhhh

TM

You get to lead in to my next question.

Why is girl-girl sex more socially acceptable than guy-guy?

I read above someone tried an evolutionary stab at it. To which I say 'BAH!'. The same could be said in reverse. Women could find men who make out with other men more virile, and more capable of giving love and security. Two men around makes for a safer home. Et cetera et cetera. I think it's more fear than anything. Guy-guy relations are 'scarier' to some folks. But why? Is this the product of a religious upbringing?

I mean, the point of porn is to watch people F***, right? so why get upset because there's a guy there. I don't see many women that actually admit to watching porn get upset because there's naked women. So what's the deal?

Big deals are also in the eye of the beholder.

Me, I don't think sex is a big deal at all. If I'm flipping the channels and see something, I either like it and watch it, or watch it in horror going "Ewwwww! Come in here and she what she just put in her OH MY GOD I CAN'T LOOK. Tell me what she's doing now!", or just change the channel and look for something more to my tastes.

Tastes differ.

But guy-on-guy? That's hot!

[Darat]

Originally posted by Kiless
....snip...

When I start seeing Brad Pitt and Edward Norton in a mainstream, widely accepted movie, playing a gay couple who get up to just as much stuff that is seen as acceptable by heterosexual couples portrayed in a film, then I'll be less cynical.

Well you did get to see Dr Who have a full on kiss with his male companion, which I think is something that wouldn’t have been seen in any primetime mainstream family entertainment TV programme even 5 years ago.

[TragicMonkey]

Originally posted by Darat
Well you did get to see Dr Who have a full on kiss with his male companion, which I think is something that wouldn’t have been seen in any primetime mainstream family entertainment TV programme even 5 years ago.

Come to that, when was the last time the Doctor kissed anyone of any gender? I read once that Peter Davidson suggested to the producer that ratings might soar if the Doctor got a little sugar from either Nyssa or Tegan (I don't suppose he suggested both, but he was thinking it) and they refused on the grounds that the Doctor was too high-minded to care for that sort of thing.

They should have been grateful he didn't suggest Turlough.

[Seismosaurus]

Originally posted by Darat
Well you did get to see Dr Who have a full on kiss with his male companion, which I think is something that wouldn’t have been seen in any primetime mainstream family entertainment TV programme even 5 years ago.

Oh, I dunno. Queer as Folk was on six years ago and went far, far further than just showing guys kissing.

[Darat]

Originally posted by Seismosaurus
Oh, I dunno. Queer as Folk was on six years ago and went far, far further than just showing guys kissing.

Yep but that wasn't a primetime Saturday evening family show, well at least the UK version wasn't.

[clarsct]

Originally posted by Seismosaurus
Oh, I dunno. Queer as Folk was on six years ago and went far, far further than just showing guys kissing.
Well, I think 'Will and Grace' did it as well.

Then again, these shows went far out of there way to scream:

GAY GUYS HERE!!!

I haven't seen this as a movie theme, though. Or even side theme. They throw in girl-girl quite a bit anymore, and in 'mainstream' stuff, not just what is 'targeted'.

Maybe they're afraid of scaring away customers?

[Kiless]

Originally posted by TragicMonkey
They should have been grateful he didn't suggest Turlough.

Oh yuk, Turlough was a twat. Was it Adric who got kissed? I'd dig out the ep if it was Adric....
UK version - VERY explicit. I got it out on video as it was shown at such a late hour you'd have to be a more serious insomniac than I was to catch it. And it took some going for me to get beyond the first three eps, the detail was so in your face. I catch glimpses of the USA version and it just makes me laugh in comparison. Seems so watered-down.

[Ladewig]

Originally posted by Mephisto
How come no one gets angry with you for using an enigmatic, hook of a subject line?

Originally posted by Ladewig
Not as much as I am at odds with people who write confusingly short thread titles.

Please write more descriptive titles so that people who slow connections can decide whether or not to open threads. [/b]

Sorry that I am late. I was busy searching the internet for some photos of... well, that's neither here nor there.

Tsk, tsk. This thread's title is too short! It should have said, "hot girl on girl action in movies - including passionate kisses with those soft, full, pouty lips."

Now as for the original question; the answer is simple. The vast majority of Hollywood movies are produced by unmarried 50-year-old men. Next issue?

[ReFLeX]

I read about a study that showed that, in general, women can be physically aroused by other women (i.e. on-screen nudity) but men usually can't become aroused by other men. I'm afraid to look for it at work, though...

[Jas]

Originally posted by ReFLeX
I'm afraid to look for it at work, though...

I can't imagine why....
:p

[clarsct]

Originally posted by ReFLeX
I read about a study that showed that, in general, women can be physically aroused by other women (i.e. on-screen nudity) but men usually can't become aroused by other men. I'm afraid to look for it at work, though...

Link? Or who wrote it. On your own time, of course...I know what it's like to post at work....

[ReFLeX]

Well. I originally read it in my psychology book, but took the plunge and searched for 'women "aroused by" women'. After some more searching, I found it was done at Northwestern University, with the senior researcher being J.Michael Bailey, who evidently was investigated for ethical considerations after publishing a book about transsexuals or something. Another site also mentioned his belief in eugenics; and homosexuality as an evolutionary mistake. However, the same link to the study on all the sites is dead. Anyway this was the best resource I found on the subject:

http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview?id=463330

Does it seem to anyone else that this thread has a disproportionately high number of views?