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jmercer
21st June 2005, 08:38 AM
I post this article with trepidation, if for no other reason than I'm wincing from anticipation over the ensuing commentary based on it. :D

AP News
Brain Areas Shut Off During Female Orgasm
Tue Jun 21, 8:22 AM


COPENHAGEN, Denmark - New research indicates parts of the brain that govern fear and anxiety are switched off when a woman is having an orgasm but remain active if she is faking.

In the first study to map brain function during orgasm, scientists from the Netherlands also found that as a woman climaxes, an area of the brain governing emotional control is largely deactivated.

"The fact that there is no deactivation in faked orgasms means a basic part of a real orgasm is letting go. Women can imitate orgasm quite well, as we know, but there is nothing really happening in the brain," said neuroscientist Gert Holstege, presenting his findings Monday to the annual meeting of the European Society of Human Reproduction and Embryology.

In the study, Holstege and his colleagues at Groningen University recruited 11 men, 13 women and their partners.

The volunteers were injected with a dye that shows changes in brain function on a scan. For men, the scanner tracked activity at rest, during erection, during manual stimulation by their partner and during ejaculation brought on by the partner's hand.

For women, the scanner measured brain activity at rest, while they faked an orgasm, while their partners stimulated their clitoris and while they experienced orgasm.

Holstege said he had trouble getting reliable results from the study on men because the scanner needs activities lasting at least two minutes and the men's climaxes didn't last that long. However, the scans did show activation of reward centers in the brain for men, but not for women.

Holstege said his results on women were more clear.

When women faked orgasm, the cortex, the part of the brain governing conscious action, lit up. It was not activated during a genuine orgasm.

Even the body movements made during a real orgasm were unconscious, Holstege said.

The most striking results were seen in the parts of the brain that shut down, or deactivated. Deactivation was visible in the amygdala, a part of the brain thought to be involved in the neurobiology of fear and anxiety.

"During orgasm, there was strong, enormous deactivation in the brain. During fake orgasm, there was no deactivation of the brain at all. None," Holstege said.

Shutting down the brain during orgasm may ensure that obstacles such as fear and stress did not get in the way, Holstege proposed. "Deactivation of these very important parts of the brain might be the most important necessity for having an orgasm," he said.

Donald Pfaff, professor of neurobiology and behavior at Rockefeller University in New York, said the interpretations were reasonable. "It makes poetic sense," said Pfaff, who was not connected with the research.

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Soapy Sam
21st June 2005, 10:00 AM
"Women can " fake " orgasms?

Why would they need to do that?

Jas
21st June 2005, 10:10 AM
Women can imitate orgasm quite well, as we know, but there is nothing really happening in the brain," said neuroscientist Gert Holstege

:D

aerocontrols
21st June 2005, 10:15 AM
Originally posted by Soapy Sam
"Women can " fake " orgasms?

Why would they need to do that?

They think we care.

cbish
21st June 2005, 10:23 AM
I'm skeptical. I think we need a more detailed description of their protocol.

Hawk one
21st June 2005, 11:00 AM
Originally posted by cbish
I'm skeptical. I think we need a more detailed description of their protocol.

What a pseudo-skeptic you are. Obviously descriptions can be faked. What we need is to have video material of each and every couple so we can objectively observe how how the tests were conducted. :p

El_Spectre
21st June 2005, 11:19 AM
As opposed to men... our brains shut off well in advance if sex seems likely :) Only explanation for the stupid things we do to get women :)

Jas
21st June 2005, 11:43 AM
Originally posted by aerocontrols
They think we care.

There's not usually a second date for you, is there?:p

Perforatu
21st June 2005, 12:01 PM
Originally posted by jmercer
Holstege said he had trouble getting reliable results from the study on men because the scanner needs activities lasting at least two minutes and the men's climaxes didn't last that long. However, the scans did show activation of reward centers in the brain for men, but not for women.
Whoa. My memories of puberty suddenly make a lot more sense.

LostAngeles
21st June 2005, 12:08 PM
Originally posted by aerocontrols
They think we care.

Or you're trying to play Marathon Man and we're bored already.

Or you're "so terribly concerned about her pleasure" and we're bored already.

Those were my reasons for faking.

Lack of orgasm does not always mean the sex sucked, though.

Hawk one
21st June 2005, 12:10 PM
Originally posted by LostAngeles
Or you're trying to play Marathon Man and we're bored already.

Or you're "so terribly concerned about her pleasure" and we're bored already.

Those were my reasons for faking.

Lack of orgasm does not always mean the sex sucked, though.

I knew it would only be a matter of time before LostAngeles came along to tell about her faked orgasms. :D

aerocontrols
21st June 2005, 12:40 PM
Originally posted by Jas
There's not usually a second date for you, is there?:p

Umm... 'second' date?

I've not had a first or second date with anyone where either of us had (real or fake) orgasms.

LostAngeles
21st June 2005, 01:17 PM
Originally posted by Hawk one
I knew it would only be a matter of time before LostAngeles came along to tell about her faked orgasms. :D

SHH. DON'T TELL THE BOYFRIEND



that I'm having discussions like this again. The last time I participated in "Internet sex ed", it ended in a flaming mental breakdown because some kids were insisting that girls peed through the hymen.

athon
21st June 2005, 01:23 PM
I'm not so sure about this study. I'll have to conduct my own, I think. Hmm, double blindfolded, of course.

;)

I wonder if there is a parallel in us men when we fake it.


Come on, we've all done it. :D

Athon

Hawk one
21st June 2005, 01:33 PM
Originally posted by LostAngeles
SHH. DON'T TELL THE BOYFRIEND



that I'm having discussions like this again. The last time I participated in "Internet sex ed", it ended in a flaming mental breakdown because some kids were insisting that girls peed through the hymen.


OK, I won't tell. Of course, it's going to cost you. You happen to know any hot chicks that just happen to love tall, skinny Norwegians? And who will always get a real orgasm when having sex with same-said Norwegian? :p

Charlie in Dayton
21st June 2005, 04:40 PM
Originally posted by athon
I'm not so sure about this study. I'll have to conduct my own, I think. Hmm, double blindfolded, of course.

Was that double-blindfolded, or double-baggged? :hit: {initiates broken-field running mode, ducking from numerous flying objects...}

Seriously...(yeah, right...)...women need a reason for sex. Men just need a place. :eek:

kimiko
22nd June 2005, 02:51 AM
Originally posted by Hawk one
OK, I won't tell. Of course, it's going to cost you. You happen to know any hot chicks that just happen to love tall, skinny Norwegians? And who will always get a real orgasm when having sex with same-said Norwegian? :p tall, skinny Norwegians...

Kiless
23rd June 2005, 05:48 AM
Originally posted by LostAngeles
The last time I participated in "Internet sex ed", it ended in a flaming mental breakdown because some kids were insisting that girls peed through the hymen.

Oh dear. :( I agree with what you said about 'lack of orgasm does not always mean the sex was bad'.

(edited for PATHETIC phrasing... I'm just tired. Too many orgasms.... ;) )

jmercer
23rd June 2005, 08:57 AM
Originally posted by Kiless
Oh dear. :( I agree with what you said about 'lack of orgasm does not always mean the sex was bad'.


Interestingly enough - the same is not true for men. :)

Hawk one
23rd June 2005, 01:36 PM
Originally posted by kimiko
tall, skinny Norwegians...


Damn, why must girls that like tall, skinny Norwegians live so far away from Norway?



jmercer: Well, that is disputable. I believe many men are quite happy with ejaculations, and an orgasm is after all a separate issue. Of course, an orgasm without ejaculation is hard to accomplish... But to all you other guys out there: It's totally, absolutely worth it.

KingMerv00
23rd June 2005, 05:16 PM
Man science is cool.