Jebus does it again! [Archive]

triadboy

21st June 2005, 05:47 PM

"People say that the heavens are closed and God no longer answers prayers. We are here to unequivocally tell you that the heavens are not closed, prayers are answered and children come home," she told reporters as the family arrived at Primary Children's Medical Center.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/missing_scout;_ylt=AiNWheO2ct5wgN8tPiDkhQADW7oF;_y lu=X3oDMTBiMW04NW9mBHNlYwMlJVRPUCUl

Atheist waving arms: "I'm sorry....the heavens are closed. Please disperse! God no longer answers prayers. Nothing to see here."

Lisa Simpson

21st June 2005, 05:55 PM

What a slap in the face to the family of the boy who was lost in the same area last year and his body never found. God must not like that family as much. :mad:

BTW, your link didn't work.

c4ts

22nd June 2005, 12:31 AM

arthwollipot

22nd June 2005, 01:46 AM

Originally posted by triadboy
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/missing_scout;_ylt=AiNWheO2ct5wgN8tPiDkhQADW7oF;_y lu=X3oDMTBiMW04NW9mBHNlYwMlJVRPUCUl

Atheist waving arms: "I'm sorry....the heavens are closed. Please disperse! God no longer answers prayers. Nothing to see here."

As I saw somewhere (it may well have been here):

We all know that to God, a day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years is as a day. We also know that God created the world 6,000 years ago. He laboured for six days and rested on the seventh. So for the next thousand years, he will be resting. He won't be answering prayers. He won't be performing miracles.

So it's not really all that far-fetched, is it?
:D

The Mighty Thor

22nd June 2005, 04:30 AM

I'm glad the kid was found. But something smells about this whole story. It is being touted on just about every US news outlet as 'a Miracle'. I think there is more to this than meets the eye.

What will happen to the money raised on the family website, for a start?

After 4 days without food (or water?), he wanted to play a video game?

Scouts don't have whistles anymore?

And look at all the broohaha over the missing 18-year-old Natalee Holloway in Aruba. They have 'chaperons' for 18-year-olds that get criticised when one goes missing. Yet nobody has anything to say about Scoutmasters who can let an 11-year-old get lost 'in the wilderness' where another kid vanished and was never found?

I'm skeptical ever since the Runaway Bride. Glad the kid is OK, though.

Achán hiNidráne

22nd June 2005, 04:57 AM

Originally posted by The Mighty Thor
I'm glad the kid was found. But something smells about this whole story. It is being touted on just about every US news outlet as 'a Miracle'. I think there is more to this than meets the eye.

Meh... I doubt that it's anything more than just what it appears to be: A local story that should have stayed a local story that the national media blows out of proportion for ratings. There's no need for a conspiracy theory.

What will happen to the money raised on the family website, for a start?

"You see, the memorial fund becomes the new college fund, and the college fund becomes the new retirement plan, and the retirement plan we spend on a really tricked-out van!" ;)

And look at all the broohaha over the missing 18-year-old Natalee Holloway in Aruba. They have 'chaperons' for 18-year-olds that get criticised when one goes missing.

Wait... an 18-year-old needs a chaperon? What ever happened to "age of majority?" (Not to derail the thread.)

The Mighty Thor

22nd June 2005, 06:39 AM

Originally posted by Mark A. Siefert
Meh... I doubt that it's anything more than just what it appears to be: A local story that should have stayed a local story that the national media blows out of proportion for ratings. There's no need for a conspiracy theory.

"You see, the memorial fund becomes the new college fund, and the college fund becomes the new retirement plan, and the retirement plan we spend on a really tricked-out van!" ;)

Wait... an 18-year-old needs a chaperon? What ever happened to "age of majority?" (Not to derail the thread.)

How many of these types of stories are first drawn attention to by Fox News, though? Wasn't the Schiavo fiasco started by Fox's Bill O'Reilly. And the criticism of Aruba's legal system on Fox is pure xenophobia. Fox are mad that the police won't release info. Yeah, that's right. In European law, people aren't tried by the media like Fox and Court TV would like. Sheesh, Fox even had Fuhrman on criticising the Aruban investigation. I mean these Aruban guys don't even have the sense to plant some incriminating evidence;) And the number of times they mention lie detectors as 'reliable' on Fox is rather telling.

There's something smells about the Holloway case, too. I guess we'll find out some day.

And America (maybe society in general) has an ambivalent attitude to the age of majority. Kids can be sent to war, but can't get a beer at home. Crazy!

The Mighty Thor

22nd June 2005, 07:54 AM

alfaniner

22nd June 2005, 08:31 AM

Originally posted by Lisa Simpson
What a slap in the face to the family of the boy who was lost in the same area last year and his body never found. God must not like that family as much. :mad:

Yes, and the first boy's father was there helping out with this search because he didn't want any other families to suffer the same fate.

Nice work.

lumos

22nd June 2005, 09:03 AM

I guess the "psychics" didn't figure this one out either.

Ipecac

22nd June 2005, 09:12 AM

Originally posted by The Mighty Thor
After 4 days without food (or water?), he wanted to play a video game?

The story I read said the first thing he did was eat all the food the rescuers were carrying.

pgwenthold

22nd June 2005, 09:37 AM

Originally posted by Ipecac
The story I read said the first thing he did was eat all the food the rescuers were carrying.

Funyuns and Mountain Dew?

Lisa Simpson

22nd June 2005, 09:40 AM

Originally posted by lumos
I guess the "psychics" didn't figure this one out either.

I didn't read any psychic pronouncements. What were they?

Moon-Spinner

22nd June 2005, 10:26 AM

Even before this case came to a close, I already was thinking that there would be a lot of thanking to God and miracles and stuff. Just once I would like to hear the grateful family give thanks and credit to the rescue workers, firemen, doctors, etc., but I guess I have to wait a little longer. Then again, maybe they do give proper credit, but the media wonâ€™t report that part.

Aside from this, I was glad that this story had a happy ending.

Ipecac

22nd June 2005, 10:42 AM

Yep, very happy this resolved happily, yet appalled at the stupidity and insensitivity of those who give credit to a god who recently left another child dead in the same area.

triadboy

22nd June 2005, 10:55 AM

The Lord moves in creepy ways

Skeptical Greg

22nd June 2005, 12:02 PM

Originally posted by pgwenthold
Funyuns and Mountain Dew? Actually it was granola bars and water..

Scot C. Trypal

22nd June 2005, 12:04 PM

Originally posted by Lisa Simpson
What a slap in the face to the family of the boy who was lost in the same area last year and his body never found. God must not like that family as much. :mad:

BTW, your link didn't work.

That was my reaction too.

After doing some searching, it turns out the lost boyâ€™s dad headed up the search for this kid and now feels that his boy â€œwas takenâ€ so that Brennen could be rescued by the new expertise gained last year in missing children rescue.

http://www.sltrib.com/utah/ci_2816238

My reflex is to say the lost boyâ€™s dad is being ridiculous here, and I think itâ€™s still (unintentionally) cruel to all parents of lost children for Brennenâ€™s dad to attribute his sonâ€™s rescue to Godâ€™s favor from cajoling prayers. But I know Iâ€™d be absolutely, irreversibly super insane if that happened to one of my children.

crimresearch

22nd June 2005, 12:12 PM

And the delightfully clueless parents are saying that their golden child did 'exactly what he was taught'...Run away from the rescuers...
:rolleyes:

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20050622/ap_on_re_us/missing_scout_38

By comparison, the Boy Scouts would have tried to teach him to stay put, build a shelter, and signal for rescue.
.

FreeChile

22nd June 2005, 12:19 PM

Originally posted by The Mighty Thor
The boy's father said 'If God could feed the Isrealites in the wilderness for 40 days and nights, he can feed my son for 4 days and nights.'

Yeah, right! The interesting thing is that God did not really need to feed them at all. This is because a human being can last 60 to 65 days without eating. In fact, after a couple of days without eating, the Israelites would have not even felt hunger any more. Anyone who has fasted knows that.

FreeChile

22nd June 2005, 12:25 PM

Originally posted by Diogenes
Actually it was granola bars and water.. For the life of me, I can't think of anyone who eats Granola bars anymore. This is quite a healthy and thought up proposition. Don't you think?

Ipecac

22nd June 2005, 01:22 PM

"Brennan continues to amaze us," his father, Toby Hawkins, said at a news conference outside their home. "You know, his ability to deal with this initially, I made the comment that I thought that he was the most ill-prepared out of our five children to deal with it, and now I think he was maybe the best prepared."

Brennan's mother, Jody Hawkins, suggested that her son may have been avoiding searchers by following his father's advice.

"He had two thoughts going through his head all the time," she said. "Toby's always told him that 'If you get lost, stay on the trail.' So he stayed on the trail. We've also told him don't talk to strangers ... when an ATV or horse came by he got off the trail ... when they left, he got back on the trail."

"His biggest fear, he told me, was someone would steal him," Jody Hawkins added.

Yes, Brennan continues to amaze us. WITH HIS STUPIDITY!!!

Jebus H. Jumping on a Pogo Stick Christ! How stupid do you have to be to be stuck on a mountain for four days and AVOID rescuers? How did he think his ordeal was going to end if he avoided rescuers?!?

I'm glad he's safe and all but SHEESH!

Gestahl

22nd June 2005, 03:39 PM

Originally posted by FreeChile
For the life of me, I can't think of anyone who eats Granola bars anymore. This is quite a healthy and thought up proposition. Don't you think?

I eat granola bars. They make some really good cinnamon apple ones, and a few with raisins and dried cranberries I like.

Quaker also makes some that have little chocolate chips in them... not perhaps as healthy, but a delicious snack nonetheless.

Ryokan

22nd June 2005, 03:53 PM

Originally posted by The Mighty Thor
The boy's father said 'If God could feed the Isrealites in the wilderness for 40 days and nights, he can feed my son for 4 days and nights.'

It's been a while since I was in sunday school, but weren't the Israelites in the wilderness for 40 years?

Maybe they were avoiding rescuers as well...

arthwollipot

22nd June 2005, 09:09 PM

Originally posted by Ryokan
It's been a while since I was in sunday school, but weren't the Israelites in the wilderness for 40 years?

Maybe they were avoiding rescuers as well...

I was about to say the same thing. I think it was Jesus who was in the desert for 40 days and nights.

Shows how well these folks know their holy book.

RandFan

22nd June 2005, 09:43 PM

My guess is these folks are Mormons and are abusing Mormon rhetoric, the bit about the heavens being closed is actually about modern revelation. It is directed toward those Christians who don't believe that God talks through prophets. It is often misused as it is here because most if not all Christians certainly believe that god answers prayers and is capable of saving lost boy scouts. Dumb all the way around. It could be directed at atheists but then atheists don't believe the heavens are closed since they don't believe in heaven. JMO based on 20 years of experience as a Mormon, as a boy scout and having been raised in Utah (near SLC).

On some levels Mormons are unbelievably naive.

LawnOven

23rd June 2005, 12:53 AM

Does anyone know how or why the boy went missing in the first place?

Marquis de Carabas

23rd June 2005, 01:08 AM

Originally posted by LawnOven
Does anyone know how or why the boy went missing in the first place?
Haven't you been paying attention? It was the WILL OF GOD. Probably God was feeling a bit down in the dumps (Puss informs me that Bast keeps spurning his advances) and thought that if the kid was missing, then found a few days later, he'd get lots of thanks and all the credit and it would pick him right back up again.

The Mighty Thor

23rd June 2005, 01:30 AM

Originally posted by LawnOven
Does anyone know how or why the boy went missing in the first place?

I doubt we will ever hear the true story. But why is nobody criticising the 'guardians' who let this kid get lost in an area where another child disappeared and has never been found?

The father said something like 'the Boys Scouts of America's training has paid off.' What? The kid did not 'stay put' and he hid from rescuers in case he got 'stolen'. Another few days and this could have been a tragedy.

His 'midget mode' -- crouching down on his knees -- seems a bit odd, but the dad says Brennan can do it for hours. (as a punishment??)

The dad says he was once lost on a mountain for 4 hours. These folk sure like the numbers 4 and 40!

And he was *still* asking for donations for some kind of 'search for lost kids in the mountains' fund. The 'normal' donation is $150 - so don't be sending any less.

Still looks fishy to me.

Dr Adequate

23rd June 2005, 04:47 AM

Originally posted by The Mighty Thor
The boy's father said 'If God could feed the Israelites in the wilderness for 40 days and nights, he can feed my son for 4 days and nights.' Did anyone notice a rain of manna over Utah?

Yes, it was in fact forty years. Which always puzzled me. Forty years to get from Egypt to Canaan? With God leading them? I guess the old bromide about "mysterious ways" must be true.

The boy's father might be thinking of Elijah. Fed by miraculous ravens, if memory serves.

Lisa Simpson

23rd June 2005, 07:53 AM

Originally posted by LawnOven
Does anyone know how or why the boy went missing in the first place?

The story I've been hearing is that he was at a rock climbing wall with a friend. The friend decided to go back to the mess hall for some grub. Brennan stayed behind to climb some more (bad decision, they should have stayed together) and when Brennan decided to come in, he went the wrong way and got lost.

kuroyume0161

23rd June 2005, 05:01 PM

Originally posted by Dr Adequate
[B]Did anyone notice a rain of manna over Utah?

Yes, it was in fact forty years. Which always puzzled me. Forty years to get from Egypt to Canaan? With God leading them? I guess the old bromide about "mysterious ways" must be true.

Remember that they had pissed off God with their partying and idolatry. Therefore he caused them to wander aimlessly for forty years. I guess everytime they came back to the same place, he would do the finger-wiggle and they'd be like, "Haven't we been... Oh, no, this isn't the same.. let's keep walking...".

Temporal Renegade

23rd June 2005, 05:42 PM

Originally posted by lumos
I guess the "psychics" didn't figure this one out either.

I wonder how many tried to 'help' with their usual "In the forest, near some water" garbage they always throw out, and we just haven't heard yet....

FreeChile

24th June 2005, 07:40 AM

Originally posted by Dr Adequate
Did anyone notice a rain of manna over Utah?

Yes, it was in fact forty years. Which always puzzled me. Forty years to get from Egypt to Canaan? With God leading them? I guess the old bromide about "mysterious ways" must be true.

The boy's father might be thinking of Elijah. Fed by miraculous ravens, if memory serves. The father may have gotten the story of the flood and the 40 year punishment mixed. Didn't the flood last 40 days and nights? But the flood did not happen in the wilderness. However, it is possible that the original poster here misquoted the dad.

alfaniner

24th June 2005, 07:58 AM

Originally posted by Ipecac
Yes, Brennan continues to amaze us. WITH HIS STUPIDITY!!!

Jebus H. Jumping on a Pogo Stick Christ! How stupid do you have to be to be stuck on a mountain for four days and AVOID rescuers? How did he think his ordeal was going to end if he avoided rescuers?!?

I'm glad he's safe and all but SHEESH!

They did say the boy was developmentally slow or some such.

Ipecac

24th June 2005, 09:16 AM

Originally posted by alfaniner
They did say the boy was developmentally slow or some such.

They have said that since I posted my rant, yes. Obviously, if he's developmentally disabled that explains some of his behavior and my rant is unjustified.

lumos

24th June 2005, 11:11 AM

Originally posted by Lisa Simpson
I didn't read any psychic pronouncements. What were they? Surprisingly enought, I haven't read any either. They usually come out of the woodwork in these instances. I also haven't heard any regarding the missing teen in Aruba. Maybe they are figuring out that pulling this type of fraud in media-hyped stories exposes them for what they are.