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renata
11th April 2003, 02:21 PM
http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/04/11/sprj.irq.stpetersburg/index.html

Emphasis mine below
ST. PETERSBURG, Russia -- Russian President Vladimir Putin has been hosting a meeting of "antiwar" leaders in St. Petersburg to press for the reconstruction of Iraq to be led by the United Nations.

Putin said Friday the world was better off without Saddam Hussein but he criticized the U.S. and British military force by which the former Iraqi leader had been toppled.

Speaking alongside German Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder at a conference in Russia's second city, he said: "We always said that the regime of Saddam Hussein does not correspondent to democracy and human rights... but you cannot solve such problems with military means."

Answering a question, Putin, who was later also due to meet French President Jacques Chirac, said 80 percent of the world fell short of western standards of democracy. "Do we go to war with all of them?" he asked.

"If we weigh up what is good and what is bad in the results of this war -- it is positive that we have got rid of a tyrannical regime. But by what means? Losses, destruction and the deaths of people. This is a negative consequence," he said.

Putin, Chirac and Schroeder, all of whom opposed the U.S.-led war on Iraq, gathered in the Russian leader's hometown to make a joint call for the U.N. to oversee post-Saddam reconstruction.
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"We stand for the fastest return of this issue to the framework of the United Nations," Putin said.

"Russia and Germany are in favor of a political solution. There are no prospects for a military solution," he said.

A top Pentagon official Thursday suggested France, Germany and Russia would better contribute to reconstruction by forgiving debts to any new Iraqi government.

The meeting in St Petersburg had originally been planned just for Putin and Schroeder but Chirac was added to the guest list as U.S. forces ousted Iraqi President Saddam Hussein.




I did a double take when I read Putin's statement, bolded above. Didn't US just show that you can solve these "problems" with military means? I assume by "problems" he meant Saddam's regime.

I think it is a good idea to involve UN in reconstruction or Iraq. Many relief agencies funded by UN would likely be very effective in Iraq. I think it is a bad idea if it is just countries who opposed the war jumping on the coalition bandwagon. Does anyone know whether out mystery friends in our coalition of the willing will reveal themselves now that they won. There is a great article about them here. Read till the end- the monkeys bit is great.

Many Willing, But Few Are Able (http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A21268-2003Mar24?language=printer)

Baker
11th April 2003, 02:37 PM
Great they didn’t want any thing to do with the removal of the Iraqi regime but fill they should control the making of the new government.

Bearguin
11th April 2003, 02:45 PM
Prior to any country helping out in Iraq, it should be reasonably determined that they did not provide Iraq with products banned under the UN resoloutions.

If evidence to the contrary comes up, then all debts are forgiven, all contracts null and void and their butts are kicked out of Iraq and off the Security Council.

Segnosaur
11th April 2003, 03:01 PM
I think the UN would be great at helping out Iraq.

For example:

- Now that there is no 'working government' in Iraq, there is nobody to 'officially' surrender. So, I think France can be a great help there

- They obviously need help building up there technological infrastructure. And who better to help them than the Russians, who showed there technolocial prowness when they helped supply Iraq with jamming devices during the war?

- Of course, you have to get Libya involved, since they are head of the Human Rights council, and they want to make sure no Iraqis get oppressed

- Since all the African nations of the UN are so well run, they can help supply the food aid and other humanitarian assistance.

Richard G
11th April 2003, 03:03 PM
All three of them can bite me, and go to hell.

ZeeGerman
11th April 2003, 03:11 PM
Originally posted by renata
Didn't US just show that you can solve these "problems" with military means? I assume by "problems" he meant Saddam's regime.


To at least address your question: One could interprete "you cannot solve..." as "you should not solve..." like in "you cannot swat a fly with a mallet".

Zee

corplinx
11th April 2003, 06:27 PM
Germany has supported this Iraqi invasion. They just haven't sent troops. If Germany was really against the invasion, they would have told us to shut down our base in Germany which is large staging area.

His dissent was just lip service to his campaign promises and he and we know it.

France on the other hand...........

corplinx
11th April 2003, 06:29 PM
Putin was also just paying lip service I think. Iraq has a long history with Russia and the USSR. I think Putin needed to play the dissent card to reinforce the idea that he won't turn on his allies. Meanwhile, his dissent wasnt meaningful because France led the charge. He basically used France as a human shield :).

Germay and Russia should be involved with rebuilding afghanistan.