When religion goes bad.

[David Carroll]

I can't talk about this without cursing so please excuse the asterisks.

What kind of maggot would travel to the funerals of American Servicemen fallen in the service of their country to protest and spew hatred? Fred "God hates fags" Phelps, that's who. Or more accurately, what. Biggest sack of **** to ever blow out of Kansas is coming here to violate the grieving friends and family members and memory of Sgt. James Stewart who died last week in Iraq.


http://www.baynews9.com/content/36/2005/6/29/103791.html

http://www.godhatesfags.com/main/

[David Carroll]

Newsbreak: The local DJs at Rock 98 FM have had this *******'s ******* daughter on the phone for the last hour or so and they just got her to agree not to protest this particular funeral. This funeral. She is making no guarantee about other funerals but in true terrorist form promises to appear at any funeral that is publicized rather than carried out in virtual secrecy.

[Ladewig]

http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=58533

[stamenflicker]

A low life for sure. These kind of kooks really have a screw loose somewhere. Its a bit worse than Micheal Moore showing up at a soldier's funeral with a camera and using the footage to promote his agenda to millions against the will of the deceased man's family. I don't recall much outrage about that.

Flick

[Roadtoad]

You know, people I knew from my past smirk and laugh when I mention this sort of thing, and tell them I cannot support people like Fred Phelps, particularly when they are besmirching the honor and integrity of the men and women who serve this nation, regardless of the capacity, and regardless of who and what they are.

Phelps is a coward. Frankly, I'm reminded of the time my son, Chris, was driving home from a track meet, and the Phelps fools were out protesting at a church in Ellensburg, WA. When one got in front of his car, waving a "God Hates Fags" sign in front of his windshield, Chris hit the accelerator, hard, putting the wheels of his Taurus into a spin. They cleared out before the car could get moving, as he knew they would, but my son's point was made: Phelps' philosophy of bile has no place in a free society, and it has no place bearing a false image of Christian piety.

These were the same imbeciles which were out protesting in front of Randy Shilts' funeral. Oddly enough, someone in the media got a shot of these losers running because gays and lesbians objected, and (GASP!) shouted back. (No threats of violence, but I sure wish there had been. I'd have joined in.)

I've no patience with these buffoons. The fact that the majority of the Church sits on its hands and says nothing, though, is telling. And it tells me they all but approve of this sick puppy.

If he shows up here, I'm popping his @$$.

[Dr Adequate]

This guy exists? He's not like the Landover Baptist Church?

Well, stranger things have happened.

The Lesbian Studies Institute --- Bestest Conspiracy Theory Ever (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=49366)

Turns out that was for real.

[kuroyume0161]

The only thing that I have to say about Fred Phelps is this:

When he dies, I hope that thousands, tens of thousands, heck, millions of people that he has belittled and besmirched with his indignant crap show up at his funeral, pull the body out of the coffin, and proceed to piss on it.

That is the type of respect he deserves - no less, maybe a lot more of it...

[Dr Adequate]

Originally posted by Roadtoad
The fact that the majority of the Church sits on its hands and says nothing, though, is telling. And it tells me they all but approve of this sick puppy. Oh, look, I'm going to stick up for the Church. Up to a point.

You're a Christian, and have been, and could be again, a lay preacher. Flick is a pastor, and thinks that Phelps is a kook with a screw loose. Both of you could preach sermons about him if you chose. But there's a reason why not, and why "the majority of the Church sits on its hands and says nothing". It is because this guy is one guy who is mentally ill. Almost any sermon you could give would be more edifying than talking about this guy and why he's nuts.

You've only noticed him because he's found a way to make his views offensive to the whole of America (or, to be more precise, the bits of America that have heard about him). Now he's done that, is there really anything further you need to add?

[Ace_of_Sevens]

He's 75, he'll have to die sooner or later. Perhaps we should start trying to think of signs.

The guy isn't just a lone nut. He's managed to maintain a congregation.

[clarsct]

Yeah..I heard about this guy the first time on this fourm, but I think it was a different thread than Ladewig's.


Wow. You really have to stand in awe of such sheer idiocy. He couldn't have been BORN that way. He HAD to have worked at it.

He has the perfect right to say those things. He really does. I hate to say it.


But he better not say them in my neck of the woods. I'm assuming he's in CA?(near Roadtoad?) Hmmm. I wonder if I can get the Fiancee to move out east before the wedding....

(If he protested funerals of local war 'casualties' in my hometown, I doubt you'd be prosecuted...Judge Lynch would take care of the details....)

[Abdul Alhazred]

Originally posted by Ace_of_Sevens
The guy isn't just a lone nut. He's managed to maintain a congregation.

Consisting of his relatives. There is no "community support".

But he's great at drumming up publicity.

Very much an embarassment to more "normal" homophobes.

[Zep]

I'd go the complete opposite route. I'd play him and his message and methods up bigtime in the media. And I'd make sure that he was shown to be a raving ranting fool to the maximum number of people possible, so that everyone would know him if he turned up, and would run his and his families' combined arses out of town on a rail. In a tar-and-feathers overcoat.

Problem is that, alas in America, I suspect some people would actually actively agree with him and support him if that happened. Here, where what you would call MOR preachers are considered patently looney, he would be chunky-goodness fodder for the stand-ups and late-night routines. There...I dunno so much...

[Ace_of_Sevens]

Only about half his congregation is his relatives. But Topeka hates him even more than the rest of the country, it seems.

[Roadtoad]

I don't know that Topeka hates him or not. No evidence has really been presented, yet, but I know that if we sit around silently, and allow this sort of bilge to be spewed around, it spreads.

Just for the record, this is the same pr*** who declared that Matthew Shepherd's death was a pleasing thing to God. I question that.

I question his ordination. Who in the hell would ordain this jack@$$, and allow such an ordination to be retained? And why?

I question his knowledge of the Bible. Is he even reading the same book as the rest of us?

I question this man's compassion. Clearly, he has none if he's willing to declare God's "pleasure" regarding the death of a serviceman.

I have questions. I question how you can claim to be a Christian and yet, spew such hatred.

He's pathetic, he's a loser, and he needs to be confronted head on every time he speaks. Silence begets Acceptance, and I'm not willing to allow that. We've already seen what happens to Gays and Lesbians when that happens, and I don't want any more violence against anyone.

And BTW: about the "lesbian conspiracy," Texe Marrs is a nut. Period.

[Dr Adequate]

The Reverend Phelps continues his one-man war on good taste.

England: Island Of The Sodomite Damned (http://www.godhatesfags.com/featured/20050707_subway-bomb.html)

[Ceinwyn]

Originally posted by Dr Adequate
The Reverend Phelps continues his one-man war on good taste.

England: Island Of The Sodomite Damned (http://www.godhatesfags.com/featured/20050707_subway-bomb.html) You know, the more he spreads it, the more we pull together.

He's really doing us a favour.

[clarsct]

Wow. And that after the bombings.

As an American, I must admit I am embarrassed. Please don't judge us by the likes of him.

*sigh* Why do these idiots always have to pop up on our side of the pond? Why don't we have laws that allow us to hunt their types in order to thin out the herd and prevent inbreeding?

Or better yet, just exile him to Zimbabwe. I'm sure they're tolerant of such nonsense there...

[Ceinwyn]

Originally posted by clarsct
Wow. And that after the bombings.

As an American, I must admit I am embarrassed. Please don't judge us by the likes of him.

*sigh* Why do these idiots always have to pop up on our side of the pond? Why don't we have laws that allow us to hunt their types in order to thin out the herd and prevent inbreeding?

Or better yet, just exile him to Zimbabwe. I'm sure they're tolerant of such nonsense there... Don't worry clarsct, we know he's from his own little world. Probably Neptune.

But no, "hunting" him would be wrong. He should be around to show just how awful humans can be. He's showing us what not to do. Think of it that way, it's not so bad.

[Dr Adequate]

I had to email him. I know I shouldn't have. I couldn't help it.Slight Correction

Re your article on "England: Island Of The Sodomite Damned".

You are nearly right about the English. We are indeed sodomites, we are indeed damned, we do indeed deserve to be brutally murdered by Muslim terrorists, and these callous murderers are indeed doing God's work (or Allah's work, as they would put it). You got all that right.

However, England is not an island. Look at a map.

The other little problem with your article is that you are using human blood to paint a red clown nose on the face of Christ crucified.

Dr A.

[Ryokan]

Good show, Dr.A :)

[Ladewig]

Originally posted by clarsct
*sigh* Why do these idiots always have to pop up on our side of the pond? Why don't we have laws that allow us to hunt their types in order to thin out the herd and prevent inbreeding?

Or better yet, just exile him to Zimbabwe. I'm sure they're tolerant of such nonsense there...


The first amendment to the Constitution protects free speech in the United States.

If hunting licenses were issued, I would have to side with Phelps. Patrick Henry: "I detest what you say, but I defend to the death your right to say it." If I were killed defending that idiot's free speech, I would be pissed off to no end, but it would be the right thing to do.

[jjramsey]

Originally posted by Dr Adequate
The Reverend Phelps continues his one-man war on good taste.

Originally posted by Ceinwyn
You know, the more he spreads it, the more we pull together.

He's really doing us a favour.

Which I'm sure is such a comfort to gays and lesbians. :rolleyes:

Isn't that like saying the KKK is doing us a favor by pulling the anti-racists together?

[Dr Adequate]

I think this sort of person does have his uses, as Ceinwyn said.

We have, it seems, a real live human being who outdoes spoof sites. I should send him money. The "Landover Baptist Church" was never this good.

[kuroyume0161]

The positive uses of such a person are only good up until the incitement, promotion, or actualization of hate acts comes into play. So, he does provide a contrasting backdrop which could cast more favorability onto the groups he is protesting against.

The KKK started and remained a vigilante group that put its hate into actions (burning crosses, burning down churches, lynching). I don't think the Neo-Nazis have enough brain power to organize many hate acts. ;)

I do have one thing to say about his tactics. Constitutionally gathering to vocalize your freedom of speech is one thing, gathering to protest a private function, like a funeral, is another. Anyone have any precedence concerning this?

[David Carroll]

I do have one thing to say about his tactics. Constitutionally gathering to vocalize your freedom of speech is one thing, gathering to protest a private function, like a funeral, is another. Anyone have any precedence concerning this?

PETA activists once tried to dance on the grave of a recently deceased circus animal trainer.

[hgc]

Originally posted by David Carroll
PETA activists once tried to dance on the grave of a recently deceased circus animal trainer. Now, if they'd gotten dancing bears to do it, then that would have been ... what's the word? ... ironic. Or a John Irving novel. :p