EDITORIAL: THE NEXT SCREWING

[Jedi Knight]

The "Road Map to Peace" is nothing of the sort. (http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=7268)

That editorial written by David Horowitz hits the nail on the head. All middle eastern states, minus Israel, are "one race" states that radical leftists say should be "celebrated" for their "diversity".

What diversity? The "non-diversity" of one race? Stealing Jewish land in the West Bank? Pumping millions more nomadic bedoins into Israel to destroy the country?

The only way to fix the middle east is to send in millions of whites, blacks, asians, mexicans and whoever else I left out over there to live. Whenever you have "one race" countries, there will be no peace, right?

Someone on the left explain to me how "one race" countries in the middle east (all the arab states) are "diverse" and a "celebration" of "multiculturalism" and "diversity".

If all the white people in the United States started to kill and blow up all the black people with nail bombs using suicide bombers on buses and shopping malls, would the US government give them "land", a "separate nation-state" and tell everyone to celebrate the "diversity" and "multiculturalism" of what they were doing?

No?

Then why does the left do it to Israel?

http://www.contumacy.org/SF-Protest-3.jpg


Could it be because the left are merely "useful idiots" for communists?

JK

[Richard G]

All of the lefts ideas are mostly wrong. And they're too stupid to know it.

[Crossbow]

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[Dancing David]

I suppose they are as diverse as all of the states of our blessed Union. I agree that the Roadmap to Peace is not likely to lead to peace.
Is there a solution?

Preace
david

[Brooklyn Dodger]

Originally posted by Dancing David
I suppose they are as diverse as all of the states of our blessed Union. I agree that the Roadmap to Peace is not likely to lead to peace.
Is there a solution?

Preace
david

There is a solution. Once the United States denudes Syria of its military and its terrorist support and gets them out of Lebanon, mao-mao's the Saudis and Iranians to drop their support for terrorist groups, then I think we can discuss peace in the Middle East between the Arabs and Israelis. Only then will the Arabs understand that the United States is not fooling around and will not be trifled with, and that what they used to think was military power ... isn't. Only one nation has military power in the world today, and they had better understand that.

[Reager]

Originally posted by Jedi Knight

The only way to fix the middle east is to send in millions of whites, blacks, asians, mexicans and whoever else I left out over there to live.

Are you volunteering?


Mike

[Aardvark_DK]

Awesome Hot Girl Next Door Gangbang.

[Jedi Knight]

Originally posted by Brooklyn Dodger


There is a solution. Once the United States denudes Syria of its military and its terrorist support and gets them out of Lebanon, mao-mao's the Saudis and Iranians to drop their support for terrorist groups, then I think we can discuss peace in the Middle East between the Arabs and Israelis. Only then will the Arabs understand that the United States is not fooling around and will not be trifled with, and that what they used to think was military power ... isn't. Only one nation has military power in the world today, and they had better understand that.

I completely agree.

JK

[Brooklyn Dodger]

"Power flows from the barrel of a gun" Mao

"Hey Mao, what are your geographical coordinates?" Gen. Tommy Franks

[Gem]

What diversity? The "non-diversity" of one race? Stealing Jewish land in the West Bank? Pumping millions more nomadic bedoins into Israel to destroy the country?

Oh? So you mean that the tribes in Afgahnistan were fighting each other because they're all "one race."
Ever heard of "kurd" "Sunni" and "shiite" JK? They don't buy that "one race" argument.
Ever heard that Isreal is refusing to let the palestenian refugees from the 1948 war back into isreal?
Ever heard that the palestenians are "Stealing" the west bank because they were there in the FIRST place. AND that Isreal is making settlements in a land where there were no palestenians before, and they just suddenly appeared out of nowhere and stole ALL the settlement's land.

What is it with you and facts, JK?

Someone on the left explain to me how "one race" countries in the middle east (all the arab states) are "diverse" and a "celebration" of "multiculturalism" and "diversity".

Let me explain it to you in simple terms. They're different. They have a different view of the world than we do. They wear different clothes, different language, history etc. They have a COMMON history, but it breaks at certain points. Like at religion, Sunni and Shiite (like protestant and catholic). And guess what? The taliban wasn't reconized as a nation by EVERY Arab state.

And did David Horowitz ever read about Isreal kicking out the palestenians of their homeland in the 1948 war? Or Sharon's raid on a palestenian village, where civilians were killed too? And that wasn't a military operation. Or that the Arabs were colnonized by the British (who lied to them, basicly), and now see the Isrealis as the new occupying power?

It's amazing. You blame the left for something Bush, with his board of advisers, who I think we can agree are right wingers, listened to the left radical scums commies.

Why do I bother explaining colors to a black and white TV?

My opinion is that the plan will also fail, and the people are going to blame bush, maybe like the Oslo accord?

Gem

P.S.: Of course, the fact the Sharon supports (with some minor disagrements) the plan, doesn't go in your head either.

[Jedi Knight]

Originally posted by Gem


Oh? So you mean that the tribes in Afgahnistan were fighting each other because they're all "one race."
Ever heard of "kurd" "Sunni" and "shiite" JK? They don't buy that "one race" argument.
Ever heard that Isreal is refusing to let the palestenian refugees from the 1948 war back into isreal?
Ever heard that the palestenians are "Stealing" the west bank because they were there in the FIRST place. AND that Isreal is making settlements in a land where there were no palestenians before, and they just suddenly appeared out of nowhere and stole ALL the settlement's land.

What is it with you and facts, JK?



Let me explain it to you in simple terms. They're different. They have a different view of the world than we do. They wear different clothes, different language, history etc. They have a COMMON history, but it breaks at certain points. Like at religion, Sunni and Shiite (like protestant and catholic). And guess what? The taliban wasn't reconized as a nation by EVERY Arab state.

And did David Horowitz ever read about Isreal kicking out the palestenians of their homeland in the 1948 war? Or Sharon's raid on a palestenian village, where civilians were killed too? And that wasn't a military operation. Or that the Arabs were colnonized by the British (who lied to them, basicly), and now see the Isrealis as the new occupying power?

It's amazing. You blame the left for something Bush, with his board of advisers, who I think we can agree are right wingers, listened to the left radical scums commies.

Why do I bother explaining colors to a black and white TV?

My opinion is that the plan will also fail, and the people are going to blame bush, maybe like the Oslo accord?

Gem

P.S.: Of course, the fact the Sharon supports (with some minor disagrements) the plan, doesn't go in your head either.

The "plan" is not a "good plan". I might start a website to help out with all these "plans" people keep coming up with that seed future destruction. The "plan" will not work the way it is designed.

Horowitz is right about "the plan" because Horowitz keeps it simple. If Nazi Germany was left intact without direct invasion, would the Jews still be welcome there? Hell no. The key to "the plan" is to change attitudes, beliefs and culture.

The left doesn't have a problem ripping up western cultures to reach their personal climaxes about what "utopia" should look like. Fixing the middle east will be even easier than what has been done to the United States and the rest of the west.

Getting to your comments about Jewish history, when the Jews were being gassed in German concentration camps, survivors were being turned back by British authorities from entering Palestine and sent back to Europe. After the war, the State of Israel came into formation and the Jewish survivors of genocide who formed the first government structure in Israel offered the bedoins there a share of that government power.

What did Israel get? An immediate attack upon it nearly the day the British left the region.

There is a lot of confusion about the real history of the middle east because leftists don't teach it to people in leftist public schools. Students are not taught the history, they are taught "agendas". You know, agendas like the one you repeat that Israel is "stealing" land from people.

Israel formed a state where there never was a state in all of recorded history. The greatest deception ever put forth by the leftist global media, and there have been some doozies in the past, has been that there is such a thing as a "Palestinian". There is no such thing as a "Palestinian".

If I threw one thousand people into southern California in the desert, would they become the "Mojavians"?

Jordan is the so-called Palestinian homeland, reasserted by the BalFour Declaration. The land that Israel acquired after the 1948 establishment of the Jewish State was in response to direct attacks upon her by hostile arab forces. In war, it is internationally recognized that when a country attacks another country, one of those agressors could possibly lose land in the action. That is what war is all about. Just because Israel defended her nation-state and wound up with a few acres of land after is not an international catastrophe because other countries have done the same thing throughout the history of mankind.

As Horowitz stated clearly and as the foundation of fact, the problem is arab racism, xenophobia, and antisemitism. Those things will not go away until the "arab" states find themselves inspired by multicultural societies. What hurts that positive agenda are leftists who believe that multiculturalism is only important for "white" societies in the west. It is more important to expose "whites" to every other possible form of culture on the planet than it is to expose non-whites to them. That is how the left thinks and it is utterly poor logic.

The arab states are institutions poisoned by belief culture, not simply race. The "one race" of arab culture is a problem, a very big problem, but the real problem is that the "one race" of the arab states is propelled into fascism through a sole religion--Islam. You can't have one race and one religion and think there will be tolerance. The reason I say that is because when you take one race and one religion, it becomes a natural position for the populations who live in that culture to be sensitized to the minor differences that they see in others.

We went into Iraq and gave them a bloody nose, not to solve the problem, but because the radical leftists who believe that diversity is only for "white nations" won't allow the real fix. The only thing that we have accomplished in Iraq is to buy the west some time by disarming them. That is all we have accomplished. We haven't changed their culture yet. We haven't planted seeds in there for cultural tolerance. Iraq is the same as it was minus their weapons. Weapons are easy to come by--to acquire and utilize. History teaches us that truth.

Someone with the intestinal fortitude as a regional leader of Islam needs to step up and tell the billions of Muslims living in the region that Allah does not want to see the Jews destroyed. That is step one.

Step two is taking future generations of those people in arab lands and throwing all their textbooks into the garbage. I had a friend of mine in Israel send me copies of the arab textbooks that Israel acquired and are taught to the children of arab states. Reading them is like reading a grammar school edition of The Turner Diaries. To fix the problem long-term, you have got to capture the minds of their young or it will fail.

Step three is lifting those populations out of the 7th century culturally. It is perfectly and morally acceptable to peer into the populations and respect their culture, but what is culture? Is culture a norm or a guideline from centuries past, or stepping into the technological future with the rest of the human race? That has to be debated with hard love because eventually the clash of civilizations that Huntington warned us about will use nuclear, biological and chemical arms instead of rocket-propelled grenades, small arms and crew-served weapons. When you introduce humans to technology, they will embrace the technology and form information systems in their countries that they will covet. Those information systems (the internet, etc) will expose them to new ideas and breach the boundaries of the fascist culture that they current inhabit. Culture is adjustable and no culture on Earth is immune to change just because leftists think it is important to maintain the status quo inside them. I say this because Islamic countries are fascist countries and we are already aware that those types of political systems are perversions. We can go in and destroy them, but they will snap back into place again if we do not demand cultural change.

Step four is breaking the bad news to the arab populations that the State of Israel is their first lesson in tolerance and the country is not going anywhere. Other lessons must follow, eventually leading to total integration. The middle east needs a European presence, not to dominate, but to teach. That teaching is merely looking upon each other and knowing that others exist in the world. That is the greatest truth. Israel is a population of humans that are perhaps the most sensitive and wary on Earth. The last thing we need is Sampson paying a visit to the United States and Europe and certainly the arab region, and I am not saying it will ever come to that, but conditions have placed the human race into an arena where we no longer live in a world that can decide which people stay and which do not. I am very certain that Israel will never allow another Holocaust.

Where are those points in "the plan"? There are many others, certainly, and if you would like to talk about them then I will be happy to go over them with you. But the four points I listed above, to me, are critical for any successful reduction of hostilities long-term in the region. In the short-term there will be cultural resistance and hostility and perhaps limited wars and violence, but in the long term it is the only way to secure a lasting peace in a region where the populations are taught that their "god" wants every Jew to die, and their "belief" must saturate and overwhelm all political authority globally that is foreign to their host system.

JK

[The Central Scrutinizer]

Originally posted by Crossbow
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[The Central Scrutinizer]

Originally posted by Aardvark_DK
Awesome Hot Girl Next Door Gangbang.

WHERE?!?!?!!? I can't see!! :mad:

[Jon_in_london]

Chili sauce with that?

[Jon_in_london]

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SPAM

[Jedi Knight]

bump....

JK

[Jedi Knight]

Originally posted by Crossbow
Hey, wuzzup?! remember me? I'm Crystal. I'm 23 and I work in the lawn care area of Lowe's.I really wantna to meet you and I thought this would be the best way to let you no I really wanna get together withyou so I sent you these pictures (i stole my cheerleading unifrom from when I was in highschool and i kept it!). I have more pic my profile at OnlyWantSex but I couldn't send them because they are pretty raunchy and I didn't want yu to get in trouble if you see them at work :)) Anyways, you can look at the pictures of me and if you want we can get together when I'm not at work. My son has daycare all day and his father takes him on theweekends and some nights so I have the trailer all to myself whenever we need it. Plus I have my own truck so I can drive to you or whatever.

XOXOXOXO CandyCrystal***

Oh, so you have a problem with people who are trying to stop antisemitism in the middle east? :eek:

JK

[Jedi Knight]

Originally posted by Jon_in_london
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Is that how you vent your frustrations against those that want to see antisemitism stopped in the middle east? Do you spam threads like this one because you don't like people talking about plans that can help the Jews end the terror against them and bring peace to the region? :eek:

You aren't an antisemite, are you?

BTW, if you spam my thread with that garbage again, I will spam every thread in this forum in the same manner.

JK

[Jedi Knight]

Originally posted by Aardvark_DK
Awesome Hot Girl Next Door Gangbang.

Are you antisemitic as well?

JK

[Denise]

I want to know what is the point of posting silly lists etc. on someone's thread. If one does not want to discuss what the thread is about, why doesn't one just not post on the thread?

[Crossbow]

Originally posted by Jedi Knight


Is that how you vent your frustrations against those that want to see antisemitism stopped in the middle east? Do you spam threads like this one because you don't like people talking about plans that can help the Jews end the terror against them and bring peace to the region? :eek:

You aren't an antisemite, are you?

BTW, if you spam my thread with that garbage again, I will spam every thread in this forum in the same manner.

JK

Your threads!

They are not your threads bucko!

If you have a problem with someone, then you have to deal with someone. JREF is not your personal playground where you get to make all the rules.

Deal with it.

[Jedi Knight]

Originally posted by Crossbow


Your threads!

They are not your threads bucko!

If you have a problem with someone, then you have to deal with someone. JREF is not your personal playground where you get to make all the rules.

Deal with it.

OK, if spamming my threads is the new game, I can do the same thing. I will deal with it. You will regret using underhanded tactics with me.

JK

[gnome]

Originally posted by Denise
I want to know what is the point of posting silly lists etc. on someone's thread. If one does not want to discuss what the thread is about, why doesn't one just not post on the thread?

I believe it is a forum practice called "Doe snot" which is usually reserved for unmoderated boards, to keep trolls from attracting too much attention to themselves by obfuscating the thread.

Personally I don't feel it's appropriate or necessary on a moderated board such as this, despite my personal feelings about JK's occasional apparent trolling.

[Reager]

Originally posted by Jedi Knight


OK, if spamming my threads is the new game, I can do the same thing. I will deal with it. You will regret using underhanded tactics with me.

JK


Does that mean you'll start spamming every thread on this forum, like you threatened to? And then you'll get booted? And who'se gonna regret what exactly?

[Jedi Knight]

Originally posted by mfeldman



Does that mean you'll start spamming every thread on this forum, like you threatened to? And then you'll get booted? And who'se gonna regret what exactly?

I am going to spam like the leftists spam my threads. Enjoy.

JK

[Jedi Knight]

Originally posted by mfeldman



Does that mean you'll start spamming every thread on this forum, like you threatened to? And then you'll get booted? And who'se gonna regret what exactly?

That is "whose", not "who'se" moron.

JK

[Tricky]

Originally posted by Jon_in_london


access permission
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Though it pains me to agree with Jedi, there is no doubt that this is spam. I don't like having to scroll through it. Jon, I have much respect for you, so I hope you will delete this post, if for no other reason, than to remove Jedi's reason for spamming.

Thanks

[Jedi Knight]

Spam

JK

[Tricky]

Originally posted by Jedi Knight


That is "whose", not "who'se" moron.

JK
Actually it is "who's", moron (being a contraction of "who is"). Whose is the possessive.

(And this from the person who took three months to figure out it wasn't spelled "athiest"):p

[NightG1]

Originally posted by Jedi Knight
I Luv Spam

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So, you are now spamming your own threads?

[Q-Source]

Originally posted by Tricky

Actually it is "who's", moron (being a contraction of "who is"). Whose is the possessive.

(And this from the person who took three months to figure out it wasn't spelled "athiest"):p


That was brilliant :D

[renata]

Originally posted by Q-Source



That was brilliant :D

What she said :D

[Jedi Knight]

Originally posted by NightG1


So, you are now spamming your own threads?

Why not? Everyone else is.

JK

[Bjorn]

Originally posted by Jedi Knight


Why not? Everyone else is.

JK Great reply, Jedi! For once, I'm with you. :D

[Aardvark_DK]

Originally posted by Jedi Knight
That is "whose", not "who'se" moron.
What Tricky said. And you need a comma before "moron".

JK, a piece of advice: don't try to correct other people's grammar or spelling in the future.

[Jedi Knight]

Originally posted by Aardvark_DK

What Tricky said. And you need a comma before "moron".

JK, a piece of advice: don't try to correct other people's grammar or spelling in the future.

Why are you even in my thread trashing it? It is going to take a full bottle of clorox bleach to cleanse it now of your stench.

JK

[Aardvark_DK]

Originally posted by Jedi Knight
Why are you even in my thread trashing it? It is going to take a full bottle of clorox bleach to cleanse it now of your stench.
See? Much better.

[Regnad Kcin]

Originally posted by Jedi Knight
That is "whose", not "who'se" moron.Well, actually, it's:

That is "who's," not "who'se," moron.

Please note inclusion and proper placement of commas.

[Tricky]

Originally posted by Regnad Kcin
Well, actually, it's:

That is "who's," not "who'se," moron.

Please note inclusion and proper placement of commas.
Really? I thought the comma was placed outside of the quotes unless it was punctuating a phrase inside the quotes. I could be wrong.

But sometimes I have to put my thumb on the script so I don't get lost.

[Dancing David]

Am I correct in understanding?
If I don't support Israel then I am anti semite?

I understand that there were gradeschool tactics going on, hey you guys
-go stand in the corner a minute for each year of your life-

I truely do not support the government of Israel because it is a theocracy. There are three million 'israelis' who were born in the state of Israel but they can't participate in that society because of thier religion. I think the simplist solution would be to grant the 'palestinians' citizenship in Israel.

I am not saying that would stop the violence of the PLO, just some step towards peace.

Now maybe I am wrong but does not supporting Israel make me an anti-semite?

Peace
dancing david

[Mel]

Originally posted by Brooklyn Dodger


There is a solution. Once the United States denudes Syria of its military and its terrorist support and gets them out of Lebanon, mao-mao's the Saudis and Iranians to drop their support for terrorist groups, then I think we can discuss peace in the Middle East between the Arabs and Israelis. Only then will the Arabs understand that the United States is not fooling around and will not be trifled with, and that what they used to think was military power ... isn't. Only one nation has military power in the world today, and they had better understand that.

There's a MAJOR hurdle the US has to overcome in order to secure REAL PEACE in the region.

There is sometimes a tendency to bend over backwards to NOT overtly take Israel's side if they think it will "offend" the Arab countries in the region. Well..... who CARES if we offend corrupt governments?!

It's time for the US government (and any other countries that believe in democracy) to stop pandering to enemies of democracy and to PROUDLY stand with countries that share our values.

Bush has been very wishy-washy on the terrorism that is tearing apart Israel.

[dsm]

Originally posted by Jedi Knight

All middle eastern states, minus Israel, are "one race" states that radical leftists say should be "celebrated" for their "diversity".


Ummm. Pardon my lack of historical knowledge. Aren't they all of the "semitic" race?

:confused:

[Jedi Knight]

Originally posted by dsm


Ummm. Pardon my lack of historical knowledge. Aren't they all of the "semitic" race?

:confused:

Are there any whites, blacks, mexicans, asians and others living over there in large numbers with autonomy?

JK

[dsm]

I meant that everyone over there including the Israelis might be of "semitic" origin.

My limited reading of a few things suggests that there may have been a few races over there:


The Semite race that came up from the northern part of Africa and includes the Israelis and the Arabs.
The Sumerians which may (?) have come from the east out of Asia to begin farming in the Iraq/Iran area.
The Hittites who came (?) from the north out of southern Europe.


Anyone know any better how the "races" came to be in the Middle East?

[DrBenway]

Originally posted by Dancing David
There are three million 'israelis' who were born in the state of Israel but they can't participate in that society because of thier religion. I think the simplist solution would be to grant the 'palestinians' citizenship in Israel.

There are ways that Palestinians can obtain Israeli citizenship, and many have. There are a good number of Israeli Arabs.

from http://www.israel.org/mfa/go.asp?MFAH00mz0

Acquisition of Israeli Nationality
Israel's Nationality Law relates to persons born in Israel or resident therein, as well as to those wishing to settle in the country, regardless of race, religion, creed, sex or political belief. Citizenship may be acquired by:

Birth
The Law of Return
Residence
Naturalization

[The Fool]

Originally posted by DrBenway


There are ways that Palestinians can obtain Israeli citizenship, and many have. There are a good number of Israeli Arabs.


Yes, a peculiar form of 2nd class citizenship, restrictions on the type of jobs you may hold, restrictions on where you may buy property....Hmmmm, restrictions based on your race? This can't be racism can it? Everyone tells me that because Jews have been tragic victims of racism in the past (and continuing into the present) that they are not capable of racism themselves.....well explain to me how if you are born in a country you are not able to enjoy certain rights because of your race....not racism???? Lets start opening our collective eyes fellow critical thinkers. There are racists, terrorists and war criminals on both sides of this issue.

[Brooklyn Dodger]

Originally posted by The Fool

Yes, a peculiar form of 2nd class citizenship, restrictions on the type of jobs you may hold, restrictions on where you may buy property....Hmmmm, restrictions based on your race? This can't be racism can it? Everyone tells me that because Jews have been tragic victims of racism in the past (and continuing into the present) that they are not capable of racism themselves.....well explain to me how if you are born in a country you are not able to enjoy certain rights because of your race....not racism???? Lets start opening our collective eyes fellow critical thinkers. There are racists, terrorists and war criminals on both sides of this issue.

Have you some idea of the restrictions on Christians and Jews in Arab states? Second class citizenship looks pretty good by comparison.

[renata]

Originally posted by The Fool

Yes, a peculiar form of 2nd class citizenship, restrictions on the type of jobs you may hold, restrictions on where you may buy property....Hmmmm, restrictions based on your race? This can't be racism can it? Everyone tells me that because Jews have been tragic victims of racism in the past (and continuing into the present) that they are not capable of racism themselves.....well explain to me how if you are born in a country you are not able to enjoy certain rights because of your race....not racism???? Lets start opening our collective eyes fellow critical thinkers. There are racists, terrorists and war criminals on both sides of this issue.

I was not aware of restructions on jobs and property for Israeli Arabs

Do you have links for that?

As far as I know, the only legal distinctions is tha Israeli Arabs are not required to serve in the military. Veterans do have advantages in getting jobs, but Arabs can volunteer to join the military.

[dsm]

Originally posted by Brooklyn Dodger

Have you some idea of the restrictions on Christians and Jews in Arab states? Second class citizenship looks pretty good by comparison.


Your wrong is bigger than my wrong, so, therefore, my wrong is actually right?!?

:rolleyes:

[DrBenway]

Originally posted by The Fool

Yes, a peculiar form of 2nd class citizenship, restrictions on the type of jobs you may hold, restrictions on where you may buy property....Hmmmm, restrictions based on your race?
I don't want to imply that I condone this sort of discrimination, in my attempt to address DancingDavid's comment about citizenship.

The Israelis I've known have been atheists or agnostics, for the most part. They didn't complain to me about feeling excluded or persecuted for their rejection of Judaism. This has given me the impression that in Israel, there is general respect for the notion that faith ought to be a matter of personal conscience.

There are Israeli religious extremists who would like to put more God stuff into public life. But this faction does not appear to be a large one.

In contrast, the Muslim states have religion all tangled up in government, so that a move toward secularism almost seems impossible without some sort of radical re-interpretation of Islam. This is why I've more trouble with the Muslims.

I think the only reasonable way to achieve peace in this world of religious division, is for everyone to make a commitment to keeping religion out of government. I've no problem with any individual being openly religious, as an individual. I don't mind Dubya praying in the morning, or talking about God, if that's what floats his boat, so long as he makes clear that he won't do anything with tax dollars to favor any particular religious position (off topic rant about Dubya's "faith based" crap deferred).

I think people are basically the same the world over-- Jew, Arab, Black, White, or Green. But I think some ideas are quite bad and ought to be opposed. Theocracy is one of those bad ideas.

[Brooklyn Dodger]

Originally posted by DrBenway

I think people are basically the same the world over-- Jew, Arab, Black, White, or Green. But I think some ideas are quite bad and ought to be opposed. Theocracy is one of those bad ideas.

Unfortunately, in Arab states, this is impossible. Religion and the state are the same thing. Separation of church and state are a western idea, perhaps an American idea, since many European countries have vestiges of religion in their governments. People are not the same the world over where Jew, Chistian, Buddist, Taoist, Hindu, and Atheist would live in peace, while all the Moslem wants to do is kill the infidel ... which happens to be all the Jews, Christians, Buddists, Taoists, Hindus, and Atheists.

[Baker]

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[The Fool]

Originally posted by Brooklyn Dodger


Unfortunately, in Arab states, this is impossible. Religion and the state are the same thing.

Correct me if I'm wrong but I thought that in the main, sunni were into church and state combined but shiite are quite happy to allow secular governments.....It probably depends on the nations constitution, a combined head of state and head of church does not necessarily mean no separation of powers, UK for example.

[The Fool]

Originally posted by DrBenway

I don't want to imply that I condone this sort of discrimination, in my attempt to address DancingDavid's comment about citizenship.


I apologise if I seemed to imply you did. I just cringe sometimes when some posters imply that the dispossesed have been compensated in some way by the granting of partial citizenship in the nation that that believe has ioccupied and stolen thier homelands. Many many israelis and Arabs have been subjected to tragic losses in this mess, yet some posters are still quite capable of assigning all evil to only one side....

[The Central Scrutinizer]

Originally posted by Jedi Knight


OK, if spamming my threads is the new game, I can do the same thing. I will deal with it. You will regret using underhanded tactics with me.

JK

I for one am soooooooooo scared. :rolleyes:

[a_unique_person]

Originally posted by renata


I was not aware of restructions on jobs and property for Israeli Arabs

Do you have links for that?

As far as I know, the only legal distinctions is tha Israeli Arabs are not required to serve in the military. Veterans do have advantages in getting jobs, but Arabs can volunteer to join the military.

property, definitely. There are suburbs that are exclusively for jews. Apart from that, general racism of the type that jews in the US experienced.

http://www.washington-report.org/backissues/0198/9801088.html




In the old days of Zionist purity, until about 1980, this apartheid system was strictly observed and enforced, but—as also happened in South Africa—it was then found that apartheid, especially if strictly enforced, interferes with money-making. As Israel became richer, especially since about 1987, and as Israeli Arabs also benefited from this enrichment to a limited extent (currently the average income of an Arab family in Israel is 70 percent of the average income of a Jewish family), it became increasingly difficult to prevent Arabs from purchasing flats in the neighborhoods formerly strictly reserved for Jews. Most Jews, at least in the towns, have come to accept the new situation.

The result was that in practice ILA ceased to discriminate in cases involving urban property in the last 10 to 12 years. However, when a concern for "Jewish purity" of an urban neighborhood "threatened by Arab penetration" (or coveted by the settlers, as in East Jerusalem) was especially felt, ILA used to transfer its property rights in that area to the JNF or its subsidiary, Heimanuta, usually by an exchange of land.

The two latter companies, being branches of the World Zionist Organization, have kept faith with Jewish apartheid and, being formally private organizations, can continue to indulge in racism and discrimination. However, since their budgets are, at least in part, paid by the state, and because of many other considerations, the chief of which is the change of public mood, especially prominent under Likud, I agree with the view that if a case involving JNF apartheid were to be brought before the courts, they would, one way or another, disqualify the case.



http://www.abc.net.au/lateline/s603097.htm



Ban on property purchase reignites issue of rights for Israeli Arabs
Human rights groups have vowed to fight a plan, approved by Israel's Cabinet, to bar Israeli Arabs from buying homes in Jewish communities. The issue has sharpened debate over whether Israel can provide equal rights for its one million Arab citizens.