Rodney King At It Again

[Jedi Knight]

Rodney King, the infamous Anmerican who was the trigger for the 1992 LA Riots that left $billions in property damage and lost lives, has again found himself being pursued by the law. (http://www.heraldtribune.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?Date=20030415&Category=APN&ArtNo=304150642&Ref=AR)

At least with his broken pelvis he won't be driving drunk anymore for awhile.

JK

[jimlintott]

I fail to see how Rodney King is infamous. I consider the policemen who beat him to a pulp to be infamous. I don't see how you can even attempt to blame King for the riot. Again it would be those infamous police who failed to follow policy and simply take King to the station. Instead they chose to beat him and it was this action that eventually led to the riot.

Is Rodney King a model American citizen? Completely irrelevent. No American citizen should be so severely beaten by those who protect and serve. Put the blame where it belongs.

Love - From a left wing hippie peacenik.

[Jedi Knight]

Originally posted by jimlintott
I fail to see how Rodney King is infamous. I consider the policemen who beat him to a pulp to be infamous. I don't see how you can even attempt to blame King for the riot. Again it would be those infamous police who failed to follow policy and simply take King to the station. Instead they chose to beat him and it was this action that eventually led to the riot.

Is Rodney King a model American citizen? Completely irrelevent. No American citizen should be so severely beaten by those who protect and serve. Put the blame where it belongs.

Love - From a left wing hippie peacenik.

Well you can be a Rodney King apologist all you want to, but I see nothing wrong with what the police did to apprehend their suspect. If King didn't resist arrest after his hours of police chases and threatening the lives and property of innocent Americans, he never would have been beaten to begin with.

Now LA has hundreds of deaths per year by predator leftist crack gangs (the hippie type?), the police have relaxed their proactive policing of the city (another anti-benefit of extortionist shakedowns of the city), and crime has never been so high overall. As a leftist you must think that is "cool and fashionable".

JK

[Thanz]

Originally posted by Jedi Knight


Now LA has hundreds of deaths per year by predator leftist crack gangs (the hippie type?),

JK

Okay, seriously here. How are "predator crack gangs" leftist? Are gangs somehow communist? Does the gang leader share the wealth with his proletariat workers? Is there a drug runner union?

If you use the word "leftist" as an all purpose slur against anyone you think is "bad", it tends to lose all meaning.

[Denise]

[it has to be said] Can't we all just get along? [/it has to be said]:D

[jimlintott]

I'm not apologising for Rodney King. He is completely irrelevant. It was the police officers who chose to beat him well after he was subdued that started the whole 'Rodney King' thing. He was just the unlucky sap who got in their way that evening.

I suppose if it hadn't been video taped it wouldn't have been an issue. So the guy who shot the video is the one to blame? He should have said "Oh that's just the police doing their job" and put his camcorder away.

Hundreds of deaths in LA now. (Is that because of Rodney King?) I believe that you will find that many of these deaths are caused by flying metal particles called bullets. This lefty will say "get rid of guns, legalise the drugs and watch the crime rate plummet."

(I'm not really a lefty, I'm apolotical. I shift left or right depending on what is the best solution to a problem. Typically I'm more right wing on political issues.)

[Q-Source]

I think Psychiatrists have also relaxed their psycho's diagnosis... :cool:

[Crossbow]

Originally posted by Jedi Knight


Well you can be a Rodney King apologist all you want to, but I see nothing wrong with what the police did to apprehend their suspect. If King didn't resist arrest after his hours of police chases and threatening the lives and property of innocent Americans, he never would have been beaten to begin with.

Now LA has hundreds of deaths per year by predator leftist crack gangs (the hippie type?), the police have relaxed their proactive policing of the city (another anti-benefit of extortionist shakedowns of the city), and crime has never been so high overall. As a leftist you must think that is "cool and fashionable".

JK

JK is all for having others strike the people that he does not approve of.

[Jedi Knight]

Originally posted by Denise
[it has to be said] Can't we all just get along? [/it has to be said]:D

Denise, like the leftist posters, I have one thing to say:

Spam

JK

[Dancing David]

And here I thought that the crack dealers were capitalists, exercising thier rights in the market place.(Many ethnic africans believe that the goverment is selling the crack to keep them oppressed)

I am sure that RK would be proud to know he started the LA riots.

Peace
dancing David

[Aoidoi]

http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/West/04/15/rodney.king.ap/index.html

You know, I hate to agree with JK on anything, but Rodney King doesn't seem to have learned much from his past brushes with the law (of course getting $3.4 mil from that would hardly lead one to change). The only thing that seperates him from a thousand other repeat offenders was that a guy taped his arrest and the final clip of him being beaten while on the ground got repeatedly shown on every news station in the country. If you ever saw the whole tape you could see that he was not obeying police orders and was rather obviously high (on PCP).

I think the police were a bit excessive, but I tend to be a bit forgiving of overreactions after high speed chases where the criminal continues to resist arrest. Had they stopped 30 seconds earlier I doubt it the tape would have gone anywhere but to "America's Wildest Police Chases" with the obnoxious announcer decrying the foolishness of criminals thinking they can escape.

Mind you the LA (and surrounding) police have some serious issues regardless, but Rodney wasn't exactly blameless (and continues to break the law to this day).

[Skeptic]

And here I thought that the crack dealers were capitalists, exercising thier rights in the market place.(Many ethnic africans believe that the goverment is selling the crack to keep them oppressed)

(sigh)

As a black comedian recently said, based on these conspiracy theories, one would think that the black ghetto was such a wonderful place before the drugs ruined it...

[Skeptic]

Okay, seriously here. How are "predator crack gangs" leftist? Are gangs somehow communist? Does the gang leader share the wealth with his proletariat workers? Is there a drug runner union?

I wish they were... if they were communists, 95% of the gang members who deal drugs would be in some sort of administrative position like "workers representative for the third distrcit of Hollywood drug sellers of color".

In additions, gang wars over "turf" would be decided by committee which checks which of the gang leaders is better versed in Marx's writings, but the losing side will instantly secede the "corrput and capitalist-influenced" drug seller's organization and set up their own, "real marxist" one--which would double the administrative work once more.

In all of the bruhaha about the liberation of the gang-related workers from the evil capitalistic drug-dealing system, actually SELLING drugs will be relegated to an unimportant status. The 5% of the drug dealers still selling (the poor bastards who couldn't find a commisar position) would have so much of their profits taken from them for administrative expenses, they would decide that there isn't much point in making a serious effort to sell the drugs anyway, as it's all used up in the gang beurocracy.

Hmmm........ come to think of it, does anybody know how to get the LA gangs interested in Marx???

[Ian Osborne]

Originally posted by Skeptic
[B] if they were communists, 95% of the gang members who deal drugs would be in some sort of administrative position like "workers representative for the third distrcit of Hollywood drug sellers of color".

Etc...

That was hilarious. Thanks! :D

And Jedi, you really do need to change your too-tight underpants for boxers.

[The Fool]

Jedi
I was just wondering...Are all people who were appauled by the footage of Roney kings beating communists? I don't remember too many people saying he got a fair deal with this bashing. I guess the vast majority of Americans must be communists.....

[peptoabysmal]

I was appauled by the Rodney King tape, until I viewed the whole thing. Rodney was obviously high on crack or something. He ripped taser gun barbs out of his chest and still wouldn't go down.

[a_unique_person]

Originally posted by Aoidoi
http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/West/04/15/rodney.king.ap/index.html

You know, I hate to agree with JK on anything, but Rodney King doesn't seem to have learned much from his past brushes with the law (of course getting $3.4 mil from that would hardly lead one to change). The only thing that seperates him from a thousand other repeat offenders was that a guy taped his arrest and the final clip of him being beaten while on the ground got repeatedly shown on every news station in the country. If you ever saw the whole tape you could see that he was not obeying police orders and was rather obviously high (on PCP).

I think the police were a bit excessive, but I tend to be a bit forgiving of overreactions after high speed chases where the criminal continues to resist arrest. Had they stopped 30 seconds earlier I doubt it the tape would have gone anywhere but to "America's Wildest Police Chases" with the obnoxious announcer decrying the foolishness of criminals thinking they can escape.

Mind you the LA (and surrounding) police have some serious issues regardless, but Rodney wasn't exactly blameless (and continues to break the law to this day).

The 'Rodney King' issued was not about Rodney King, as such. If he is a criminal or not, the police do not have the right to bash someone like they did. That is why there are laws, judges and juries to sort these things out.

Now if you want to give the police summary powers of justice that includes on the spot beatings, that is your right. I hope you wouldn't get the backing of the rest of the voters on that.

If you do, you open yourself up to all kinds of problems. For example, a famous case here involved a women who was watching some sport and wanted to make a phone call, (back in the days before all women had a mobile phone). She went across the road to an area outside a post office which had phones, and asked someone for change. What she didn't know was that this was a popular place for dealers to hang out, and she asked one for some change for the phone.

Police staking out the place saw what appeared to be a drug transaction taking place, and arrested her. Now, this is ok, but they then decided to inflict some of their own summary justice upon her, which involved various acts of humiliation and low level violence.

[shuize]

Rodney "Why Won't the Cops Just Let Me Drive Drunk" King was just trolling for some more cash now that he's broke again.

Here's how it works:

1) Get drunk

2) Drive like a maniac

3) Resist arrest

4) Get kicked around

5) Sue

6) Collect millions

Unfortunately for Rodney, due to the crash and broken pelvis, he was only able to progress to level two this time. Never has had quite the luck since that one big hit we all heard so much about.

Better luck next time, Rodney. What does this make, arrest number three or four?

(edited to substitute arrest for DWI)

[a_unique_person]

Originally posted by shuize
Rodney "Why Won't the Cops Just Let Me Drive Drunk" King was just trolling for some more cash now that he's broke again.

Here's how it works:

1) Get drunk

2) Drive like a maniac

3) Resist arrest

4) Get kicked around

5) Sue

6) Collect millions

Unfortunately for Rodney, due to the crash and broken pelvis, he was only able to progress to level two this time. Never has had quite the luck since that one big hit we all heard so much about.

Better luck next time, Rodney. What does this make, arrest number three or four?

(edited to substitute arrest for DWI)

The only flaw with this reasoning is the whole premise. He didn't commit his initial crime with the intention of making money out of it the way he did. That was a result of police not acting correctly, and it being filmed. Something he could not have forseen in any way.

[Tmy]

Rioting is an expression by oppressed people. Apparently Rioting is a good thing!!!

HAHAHAHA, funny how som many nazi right all but condone the Baghdad riots. Hmmm I wonder if they thought the same about the LA riots?

(changed left to right. Thats whatai get for trying to be more Jedi Knightish)

[Jon_in_london]

Originally posted by Tmy
, funny how som many nazi leftists all but condone the Baghdad riots.

Nazi Leftists? arent you a bit confused, maybe?

[Ian Osborne]

Originally posted by Jon_in_london
Nazi Leftists? arent you a bit confused, maybe?

It's his underpants again. They must be giving him hell...

[Aoidoi]

The 'Rodney King' issued was not about Rodney King, as such. If he is a criminal or not, the police do not have the right to bash someone like they did. That is why there are laws, judges and juries to sort these things out. The beating was not punishment, it was a (probably excessive) method of arresting a violent criminal who was high on PCP. PCP is not a pleasant drug, people on it have an incredible resistance to pain and a very loose grasp on reality (the whole "I can fly!" bit). Rodney was a dangerous felon who had led the police on a high speed chase, resisted arrest, and was obviously chemically impaired. The punishment for those crimes is done by a judge and jury, but the force used to arrest the guy is not part of that punishment (regardless of what you or the cops think).

Now if you want to give the police summary powers of justice that includes on the spot beatings, that is your right. I hope you wouldn't get the backing of the rest of the voters on that.Yeah, I want the cops to be able to beat random passers-by on a whim. :rolleyes:

As was pointed out at the time, if you wanted to avoid Rodney's fate try not doing PCP and try not to flee from the cops in a high speed chase and then try not to resist arrest at the end of it all. While I freely admit the cops went too far, this wasn't a vicious unprovoked beating... it was a vicious provoked beating. ;)

I have no particular urge to defend the police in and around LA... they have had some well documented issues that are only now getting resolved. But this particular case was blown waaay out of proportion.

(and no, Rodney didn't plan on making millions off it... odds are anybody dumb enough to do PCP isn't going to be your brilliant strategic planner)

[Tmy]

Was there any proof he was high on PCP? Who the hell does PCP anyway??? Thats so 87'. Doesnt really matter, they had so many cops there they couldve just sat on him.

[Denise]

Originally posted by Tmy
Was there any proof he was high on PCP? Who the hell does PCP anyway??? Thats so 87'. Doesnt really matter, they had so many cops there they couldve just sat on him.

Tmy, I think you need to understand that people who are high on drugs like PCP or are having a psychotic episode are not easy to control. My mom worked in a nursing home with mental patients and she would have to call "code husky" to get the men to come and help when a patient was getting out of control. Sometimes it would take at least 5 men to restrain the patient. The mentally ill sometimes do not have the threshold where they realize that they should stop the attack. They just go on and on and it takes many men to get them under control. Drugs can bring on psychotic episodes in people who are not mentally ill. These people are not easy to control, they become like viscious animals fighting for survival.

[Tmy]

Understood.

I dont really remember the details about King and PCP. He may have had pcp in his system, but that doesnt mean he was some sort of superhuman monster at the time of the beating. It couldve been an excuse by the cops. It was a while ago.

[Denise]

Originally posted by Tmy
Understood.

I dont really remember the details about King and PCP. He may have had pcp in his system, but that doesnt mean he was some sort of superhuman monster at the time of the beating. It couldve been an excuse by the cops. It was a while ago.

I think the cops went over the line. But to be honest, I don't fault them for it. Rodney King was resisting arrest like a madman. He would not stop. They went over the line to contain him, but he wasn't being cooperative by any means. And now, he's still putting other's lives in danger.

[davefoc]

I basically agree with Denise that the cops went over the line, but I think that jimlintott went too far with this statement:

I don't see how you can even attempt to blame King for the riot. Again it would be those infamous police who failed to follow policy and simply take King to the station. Instead they chose to beat him and it was this action that eventually led to the riot.

There was lots of blame to go around that night. I've never been clear that the cops were in violation of policy. Gates, the chief of police at the time, was pissed that the city council had banned the choke hold and he had not instituted training for alternative techniques. So when the cops were trying to restrain King that night they were using the standard policy of beating a suspect until he stops resisting. Normally, with a sane person, this approach works well. The person quickly realizes getting hit hurts and if he stops resisting he stops getting hit. King wasn't acting in a sane manner that night, maybe because he isn't all that sane to begin with, maybe because he was high on PCP.

If the cops had wanted to seriously injure King at anytime that night he would have been dead or seriously injured with just one blow and not the 56 so graphically depicted in that video.

I suppose the argument for the hit-him-til-he-gives-up strategy was that it maximized the safety of the officers. They don't know if the suspect has a weapon hidden some place and diving into a wrestling match with the guy and finding out after the fact that he has a weapon is likely to get them killed or seriously wounded.

The King case accelerated the development for dealing with combative insane suspects and confronted with the same situation today I am sure that LAPD officers would use different techniques and mechanisms to constrain King. But to absolve King of all guilt or to decide that the officers didn't deserve some slack given the situation and their training at the time seems to me to go to far.

[Jedi Knight]

Originally posted by Jon_in_london


Nazi Leftists? arent you a bit confused, maybe?

Maybe he was thinking of feminazis? (they are leftists).

JK

[jj]

Originally posted by Jedi Knight
Rodney King, the infamous Anmerican who was the trigger for the 1992 LA Riots that left $billions in property damage and lost lives, has again found himself being pursued by the law. (http://www.heraldtribune.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?Date=20030415&Category=APN&ArtNo=304150642&Ref=AR)

At least with his broken pelvis he won't be driving drunk anymore for awhile.

JK

Everybody ignore this. This is just another attempt of Jedi's to malign the right by association with hm.

[a_unique_person]

Originally posted by jj


Everybody ignore this. This is just another attempt of Jedi's to malign the right by association with hm.

Damm, you have seen through our secret plan. I will ask Moscow for futher orders right away.

[Supercharts]

Don't bother. They have so many useful idiots you are just a name in the crowd. :D :D :D