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Calico
9th August 2005, 11:14 AM
Somebody needs to get smacked for this story. It just came up on Yahoo News:

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Marilyn Monroe was killed by what she loved: An enema.

Such is the conclusion of a former Los Angeles County prosecutor who has long suspected the film goddess was murdered, and has gone public with transcripts of audio recordings he says she made that back up his argument.

Excerpts of John W. Miner's transcripts were published in the Los Angeles Times on Friday, the 43rd anniversary of Monroe's death. The complete transcripts, minus "the most graphic words and passages," but with their praise of Clark Gable, orgasms and enemas, and their detailing of a one-night stand with Joan Crawford intact, can be found online at LaTimes.com.
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"Marilyn Monroe bears the stigma of suicide," the 86-year-old Miner writes in a blow-by-blow accounting of the case, also posted on the Times' Website. "That is wrong and must be corrected."

Miner argues that it was unlikely that Monroe received her lethal dose of drugs orally (no traces in the stomach, he said) or via injection (no needle marks, he said). To him, that leaves an enema as the likely conduit. According to Miner's theory, Monroe was slipped a "Mickey Finn" in order to knock her out, and then administered an enema bag loaded with Nembutal by "person(s) unknown."
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According to Miner, Monroe made the audio recordings at (Dr. Ralph) Greenson's home (her psychiatrist)--possibly in 1962, the Times suggests. An author who used Miner's transcripts as the basis for a 2004 book on Monroe told the Times he believes Monroe handed over the tapes to Greenson on Aug. 4, 1962, the day before her death.

The author, Matthew Smith, and Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist Seymour M. Hersh, said to have referenced the transcripts in his 1998 book on the Kennedys, are among those who told the newspaper they believe Miner to be a credible source. Such endorsements are key as Miner claims Greenson, who died in 1979, destroyed the Monroe tapes, and that he is the only living human who has heard them. He told the Times his transcripts are based on "extensive" and "nearly verbatim" notes of the recordings.

For what it's worth, a psychiatry professor who bills himself as a "pioneer in past-life regression therapy," and has a client he is convinced is the reincarnation of Monroe, says he thinks the transcripts sound like the late actress.

Dr. Adrian Finkelstein told E! Online on Monday that while he has yet to ask his subject, identified as recording artist Sherrie Lea, about the transcripts, from what he has gleaned from the Times report, they "most probably" are Monroe's words.

Finkelstein even agrees with Miner's basic conclusion, to a point. Based on his interviews with the purportedly reincarnated Monroe, conducted while his subject was under hypnosis, he explained, the original Monroe did not kill herself--at least not intentionally.

"She didn't want to die," Finkelstein said, "but she realized she took too much. It was an accidental overdose."

Monroe was reborn 11 months later, Finkelstein said. He is vowing to introduce her reincarnation to the public on Aug. 13 in New York.

Mystery may yet surround Monroe's death, but according to Finkelstein, her reincarnated version, at least, has found peace.

Said the doctor of his client: "She is relieved."

Rob Lister
9th August 2005, 11:37 AM
Why can't you let her rest in peace? Sure, you didn't write the story but you perpetuate it, even if in implied disgust.

Personally, I don't care. I do remember doing a google image search of joan crawford and failed to see the appeal. Marilyn had a big butt by today's standards but it looked fine to me.

tkingdoll
9th August 2005, 11:56 AM
The story itself is pretty stupid (reincarnation, anyone?), agreed. But I don't get your point about letting her 'rest in peace'. She's dead, peace or lack of it is no longer an option for her. She is not going to be angry, hurt or upset by this or any other story, because she's...dead.

The notion of resting in peace suggests some sort of afterlife/restless spirit.

There are better news sources than Yahoo if this sort of sensationalist story bothers you.

Rob Lister
9th August 2005, 12:01 PM
Originally posted by tkingdoll
The story itself is pretty stupid (reincarnation, anyone?), agreed. But I don't get your point about letting her 'rest in peace'. She's dead, peace or lack of it is no longer an option for her. She is not going to be angry, hurt or upset by this or any other story, because she's...dead.

The notion of resting in peace suggests some sort of afterlife/restless spirit.

There are better news sources than Yahoo if this sort of sensationalist story bothers you.

I agree but I think calling her 'dead' was a bit harsh. :)

p.s. I absolutely loved your single and your partial. I sent you a PM which you seem to be IGNORING!!! I've got your partial on WM right now. I want the rest.

tkingdoll
9th August 2005, 12:45 PM
Originally posted by Rob Lister
I agree but I think calling her 'dead' was a bit harsh. :)

p.s. I absolutely loved your single and your partial. I sent you a PM which you seem to be IGNORING!!! I've got your partial on WM right now. I want the rest.

Flattery will get you nowhere Mister Lister. Thanks for the compliment though :D

Marilyn is temporarily unalive then. When the Church of the Strong Voice awakens her, she can retaliate as she sees fit.

dead

joobie
9th August 2005, 02:26 PM
this is funny to me only because i know a conspiracy theorist who's been saying this for 15 years.

(the kennedys did it in his version, in case you were wondering.)

tim
21st August 2005, 09:48 AM
Originally posted by tkingdoll
The story itself is pretty stupid (reincarnation, anyone?), agreed. But I don't get your point about letting her 'rest in peace'. She's dead, peace or lack of it is no longer an option for her. She is not going to be angry, hurt or upset by this or any other story, because she's...dead.

The notion of resting in peace suggests some sort of afterlife/restless spirit.

There are better news sources than Yahoo if this sort of sensationalist story bothers you.

Erm, I guess we mean let her memory rest. What's the point in dragging this stuff up? Nothing to be gained, imho. It's like saying Henry VIII died of syphallis. I don't actually care - he's been dead a very long time.

TragicMonkey
21st August 2005, 10:26 AM
Originally posted by tim
Erm, I guess we mean let her memory rest. What's the point in dragging this stuff up? Nothing to be gained, imho. It's like saying Henry VIII died of syphallis. I don't actually care - he's been dead a very long time.

Some people are actually interested in history, and do indeed care. Any past event is fair game for study, regardless of people's feelings. That's how history works. Just like police investigators will ask prying questions, as will doctors attempting to make a diagnosis. Don't let your feelings interfere with other people's professions.

Scandal is a big part of history, as it affects how people act.

Ove
23rd August 2005, 05:02 AM
Saw a documentary recently that investigated some of the claims that she was murdered, (on National Geographic Channel i believe). They made a pretty good show of picking the rumours one by one and shooting them down.

Marylyn did indeed get medicin rectally probably because she hated swallowing tablets and didn't want needle marks. The programme suggested that the probable cause of her death was an inexperienced doctor prescribing/administering too much nembutal.

She WAS a psycic case and had a hard time controlling her own life. Sad story really :(

She was a fine actor and i like to look at her bum :D got just the right size IMHO but fortunately we still got her films. My favourite? "Some like it hot" or "The seven year itch" :)