A Diagnostic Classification of the Emotions

[values]

Announcing the debut of a newly devised Three-digit Coding System for Affective Language: proposing a master system of classification for themes of an affective nature. In addition to the basic human emotions, this all-inclusive system extends to include the higher social emotions characterized by the virtues and values specified within the Western philosophical tradition: wherein formally specifying the enhanced degree of interconnectedness linking these diverse categories, the outline of which is partially depicted below:

(300 - 399) ............................ (400 - 499)
+ + VICES OF EXCESS .............. MENTAL ILLNESS
(Excessive Virtue) .............. (Transitional Excess)

(100 - 199) ............................ (200 - 299)
+ MAJOR VIRTUES .............. LESSER VIRTUES
(Virtuous Mode) .............. (Transitional Virtue)
___________________________________

0 - .............. NEUTRALITY STATUS
___________________________________
(500 - 599) ............................ (600 - 699)
- VICES OF DEFECT .............. CRIMINALITY
(Absence Of Virtue) .............. (Transitional Defect)

(700 - 799) ............................ (800 - 899)
- - HYPERVIOLENCE .............. HYPERCRIMINALITY
(Excessive Defect) .............. (Transit. Hyperviolence)

This new coding system further serves as a valuable adjunct
with respect to an ethical simulation of AI. Indeed, based upon a limited number of elementary assumptions; namely, the principles of instrumental conditioning and the concept of the metaperspective, the ascending hierarchy of stepwise transformations ultimately accounts for the entire 1,040-part complement of
individual terms.

More info is posted at:
www.charactervalues.org

Sincerely
John E. LaMuth

[AmateurScientist]

Dude,

I'm reporting you again. Stop spamming the board with ads for your stupid books.

See Rule 3, Membership Agreement.

AS

[AmateurScientist]

Oh, and as for the substance of the crap that you're selling....No. Just no.

AS

[values]

Why dont you stick to being an amateur...
You are much better at that...

JLM

[Kiless]

Originally posted by values
Why dont you stick to being an amateur...
You are much better at that...

JLM

Well, that just guaranteed no sales of your *@^#%&## book to any of us..... LOL!!!!

[values]

It figures that all you all would see is $$$ dollar signs.

You couldn't understand a passion for one's work and the desire to get the word out...

You are so closed minded you wouldn't be able to realize the next big thing...

[AmateurScientist]

Originally posted by values
Why dont you stick to being an amateur...
You are much better at that...

JLM

Here's a clue. What you're peddling is pseudoscience. I'll put my amateur science against it any day of the week.

You may be a fine counselor and clinician for all know, but I can read quite well, and what you wrote in your link is mostly doubletalk.

Here's a sample for everyone to read and judge for themselves:



As is usually the case, an exception to this three-digit rule necessarily exists; namely, that which applies to what are termed the transitional power maneuvers. This latter class of maneuvers is identified by "even" first-place digits; namely, the lesser virtues = 2, mental illness = 4, criminality = 6, and hypercriminality = 8. In terms of the three-digit format, the initial class of (double bind) transitional maneuvers is fully explainable in terms of the basic three-digit coding format. For example, loyalty is coded as 221, whereas responsibility equates to 222. A similar pattern, however, cannot be said to apply to the follow-up response; namely, the double bind form of countermaneuver. For instance (returning to the current examples), the preliminary "loyalty" maneuver of the personal follower is directly countered by the "humility" maneuver employed by the group authority. Similarly, the related sense of "responsibility," in turn, is counteracted by a thoroughly disqualified sense of "innocence," etc. This latter class of counter double bind maneuvers is necessarily distinguished through the addition of an extra decimal place. For instance, humility is specified as 230.1, whereas innocence equates with 231.1, etc. The specific nomenclature for precisely determining this extra decimal place is somewhat elaborate in scope, a topic best reserved for a corresponding later chapter. In terms of a basic overview, however, the basic versatility of the 3-digit coding system clearly remains without question. Indeed, the accompanying four-page table of terms offers a preliminary outline of the general coding format (with categories 6, 7, & 8 left out due to space concerns). Accordingly, the reader in is encouraged to refer back to this extensive listing of terms in reference throughout the remainder of this proposal.



AS

[values]

Well, I'm glad you toned it down enough to talk issues.

The thing is, you can take any passage out of context in a long narration and confuse people...

What about the basic diagram below?


(300 - 399) ............................ (400 - 499)
+ + VICES OF EXCESS .............. MENTAL ILLNESS
(Excessive Virtue) .............. (Transitional Excess)

(100 - 199) ............................ (200 - 299)
+ MAJOR VIRTUES .............. LESSER VIRTUES
(Virtuous Mode) .............. (Transitional Virtue)
___________________________________

0 - .............. NEUTRALITY STATUS
___________________________________
(500 - 599) ............................ (600 - 699)
- VICES OF DEFECT .............. CRIMINALITY
(Absence Of Virtue) .............. (Transitional Defect)

(700 - 799) ............................ (800 - 899)
- - HYPERVIOLENCE .............. HYPERCRIMINALITY
(Excessive Defect) .............. (Transit. Hyperviolence)

What kind of flaws can you find with that?


JLM

www.charactervalues.org

P.S. my beginning post was not commercial in any obvious fashion, and I have the right to post a link for those who'd like to read more....

[AmateurScientist]

Maybe I'll invite bpesta to come critique your thesis.

He's got a PhD in Cognitive Psychology and is a college professor. He's skilled in critical analysis.

AS

[Kiless]

Originally posted by AmateurScientist
Maybe I'll invite bpesta to come critique your thesis.

He's got a PhD in Cognitive Psychology and is a college professor. He's skilled in critical analysis.

AS

Merc may be interested too... but like BPesta, he's probably overwhelmed on a regular basis by this sort of spamming gobbledygook appearing, that claims they're the 'next big thing'...

[Kiless]

Originally posted by values
It figures that all you all would see is $$$ dollar signs.

You couldn't understand a passion for one's work and the desire to get the word out...

You are so closed minded you wouldn't be able to realize the next big thing...

Been peer reviewed, BTW?

[AmateurScientist]

Originally posted by Kiless
Merc may be interested too... but like BPesta, he's probably overwhelmed on a regular basis by this sort of spamming gobbledygook appearing, that claims they're the 'next big thing'...

Heh. Nah, Merc's a behaviorist. They think cognitive guys are kooks.

AS

[Kiless]

Originally posted by AmateurScientist
Heh. Nah, Merc's a behaviorist. They think cognitive guys are kooks.

AS

No insult to BPesta, but on the basis of this.....

[values]

That sounds wonderful...

The more the merrier !!!

[Kiless]

Originally posted by values
That sounds wonderful...

The more the merrier !!!
Don't you already HAVE peer reviews of your work?

Or are you just spamming and advertising your book here because no one else will touch it?

[values]

Yes, I have been published in several journals and a number of conferences. My work will readily stand up to both behaviorists and cognitists.
I sure dont feel like posting my bibliography in a semi-hostile environment...

Please feel free to google me !!!

BTW, you dont mention anything about your credentials???

JLM

[Eos of the Eons]

Eh?

http://www.angelfire.com/rnb/fairhaven/contact.html

this new moral system is the first grand unified theory of its type; taking as its foundation the ethical values pioneered in classical Greek philosophy, augmented by the writings of the great Church theologians over the past two thousand years. The distinctive groupings of ethical values defined within this system all appear to be linked on an intuitive level, suggesting a clear sense of underlying cohesiveness.

Why do you claim this?

As well, how do you then view atheists?

[values]

My new system represents a newly released synthesis of the
fields of behavioral psychology and value ethics. Its instinctual
foundations make it equally applicable to both athiests and/or the religiously-minded...

Here the instinctual terminology of operant conditioning pro-
vides an elementary foundation for a subjective hierarchy of the
traditional groupings of virtues, values, and ideals. This
formal tie-in with behavioral science effectively validates
the subjective prerequisites of the virtuous realm, an
innovation based upon a basic set of instinctual terms:
namely, rewards-leniency-appetite-aversion. These instinctual
terms, in turn, prove consistent with the higher linguistic
hierarchy characterizing the virtuous realm: innovation
further arranged as a hierarchy of metaperspectives - an
ascending sequence of personal, group, spiritual, humanitarian,
and transcendental power levels, specialized into both authority
and follower roles. The corresponding incorporation of individual
terms is partially depicted below...

Solicitousness . Rewards ... Submission . Leniency
Nostalgia . . H-Worship ......... Guilt . Blame
Glory . . . . Prudence .......... Honor . Justice
Providence . . Faith .......... Liberty . Hope
Grace . . . . Beauty ........ Free-will . Truth
Tranquility . Ecstasy ........ Equality . Bliss

Appetite . + Reinforce....... Aversion . Neg. Reinforce.
Desire . . Approval ............ Worry . Concern
Dignity . Temperance ...... Integrity . Fortitude
Civility . Charity ............... Austerity . Decency
Magnanim . Goodness .... Equanimity . Wisdom
Love . . Joy ....................... Peace . Harmony

Furthermore, the behavioral terminology for punishment serves as
the foundation for the darker realm of the vices of defect, a
mirror-image reflection of the virtuous mode, with the exception
that punishment discourages behaviors judged not suitably
solicitous or submissive: as partially portrayed below..

No Solicitous. No Rewards.. No Submissive . No Leniency
Laziness . Treachery ......... Negligence . Vindictiveness
Infamy . Insurgency ............ Dishonor . Vengeance
Prodigal . Betrayal ............. Slavery . Despair
Wrath . Ugliness ................ Tyranny . Hypocrisy
Anger . Abomination ........... Prejudice . Perdition

No Appetite . Punishment ... No Aversion . Punishment
Apathy . Spite ....................Indifference . Malice
Foolish . Gluttony ............. Caprice . Cowardice
Vulgarity . Avarice ............ Cruelty . Antagonism
Oppression . Evil .......... Persecution . Cunning
Hatred . Iniquity ......... Belligerance . Turpitude

This behavioral foundation, in turn, permits
support for the linguistic hierarchy of motivational terms, an
innovation permitted through the symbolism of the human
speech lexicon. Indeed, mankind's transition to an urban culture
lead to the development of the higher traditions of virtues and
values crucial for maintaining social order, as systematized
within the language tradition. For instance, the tradition of
the cardinal virtues was championed by the Greek
philosopher Plato to define the social stratification within the
Greek city-state of his day. Furthermore, the attendant spiritual
and humanitarian traditions celebrated timeless themes: such as
the classical Greek values and the humanistic values. Ultimately,
a mystical tradition emerges, as expressed in the crowning set of
mystical values (ecstasy-bliss-joy-harmony). What lies beyond
this final nameable realm of mysticism remains open to debate,
described only as the "supernatural" domain, permitting the
potential for a "top-down" pattern of influence as well.

A complete listing of ethical terms is posted at:
www.angelfire.com/rnb/fairhaven/Masterdiagram.html

A more detailed treatment is also posted at:

www.angelfire.com/rnb/fairhaven/behaviorism.html
www.charactervalues.org
www.charactervalues.com
www.ethicalvalues.com


Sincerely
John E. LaMuth
_____________

[Eos of the Eons]

Why are you ignoring questions and only spamming the board with pointless copying and pasting? This is a discussion board.

You are only discrediting yourself.

I reject your baseless theories because I don't agree with your method. I fear for anyone that might come to you as a patient if this is your point of view. Care to stop spamming and start discussing? Or are we to just agree with you?

[Badly Shaved Monkey]

Originally posted by values
Announcing the debut of a newly devised Three-digit Coding System for Affective Language: proposing a master system of classification for themes of an affective nature. In addition to the basic human emotions, this all-inclusive system extends to include the higher social emotions characterized by the virtues and values specified within the Western philosophical tradition: wherein formally specifying the enhanced degree of interconnectedness linking these diverse categories, the outline of which is partially depicted below:

(300 - 399) ............................ (400 - 499)
+ + VICES OF EXCESS .............. MENTAL ILLNESS
(Excessive Virtue) .............. (Transitional Excess)

(100 - 199) ............................ (200 - 299)
+ MAJOR VIRTUES .............. LESSER VIRTUES
(Virtuous Mode) .............. (Transitional Virtue)
___________________________________

0 - .............. NEUTRALITY STATUS
___________________________________
(500 - 599) ............................ (600 - 699)
- VICES OF DEFECT .............. CRIMINALITY
(Absence Of Virtue) .............. (Transitional Defect)

(700 - 799) ............................ (800 - 899)
- - HYPERVIOLENCE .............. HYPERCRIMINALITY
(Excessive Defect) .............. (Transit. Hyperviolence)

This new coding system further serves as a valuable adjunct
with respect to an ethical simulation of AI. Indeed, based upon a limited number of elementary assumptions; namely, the principles of instrumental conditioning and the concept of the metaperspective, the ascending hierarchy of stepwise transformations ultimately accounts for the entire 1,040-part complement of
individual terms.

More info is posted at:
www.charactervalues.org

Sincerely
John E. LaMuth

Until you present some evidence this are just hollow words. Present some evidence and you may start a discussion. Alernatively, we could start a discussion by asking you what test you could apply to your system to show that it is valid.

[Eos of the Eons]

Sigh,

He has spammed the board and run off. Has anyone got hold of BPesta? It is rather late...I should run off to bed and check on this circus in the morning.

[Kiless]

Originally posted by values
Yes, I have been published in several journals and a number of conferences. My work will readily stand up to both behaviorists and cognitists.
I sure dont feel like posting my bibliography in a semi-hostile environment...

Please feel free to google me !!!

BTW, you dont mention anything about your credentials???

JLM

Semi-hostile? Maybe if you didn't spam several boards with your material....

List them, thanks. Googling can produce all sorts of things, particularly off amateur sites that have no basis in scientific research or professional accumen. I'd rather you post something - and yes, a bibilography would be a good start, unless you have something you're not telling us - and who are these people with whom your work 'readily stands up with'?

And peer reviewed? Answer that question, thanks.

My credentials aren't relevant because I'm not trying to sell a book like you are or making claims as you are. Give some proof if you want me to be convinced.

Although I suspect you won't be around for much longer on these boards....

[skepHick]

Originally posted by values
P.S. my beginning post was not commercial in any obvious fashion, and I have the right to post a link for those who'd like to read more....

Certainly, your motives are beyond reproach. If "beyond reproach" was defined as self-serving and completely transparent.

[Eos of the Eons]

You can see his credentials here:

http://www.angelfire.com/rnb/fairhaven/contact.html

He sounds like a philosophy major though, and a bit like scientologist to boot.

No amount of "communication" is going to cause a breakthrough with a mental illness like schizophrenia. It sounds like he is trying to make this claim though:

Mental illness is primarily regarded as a physical disorder or a chemical imbalance, although clear-cut signs within the brain have eluded convincing documentation. Indeed, the most obvious outward signpost is a disturbance in the ability to communicate in an interpersonal sense, often in an exaggerated or bizarre fashion. The emotions are similarly affected to extreme degree, as witnessed in profound nature of the mood disorders such as mania or melancholy.

Point being? It's hard to drag that out of there.Each of the major categories of mental illness is incorporated into a unified communicational dynamic: where dysfunctional behavior patterns can accurately be determined, leading to effective resolution.

Effective resolution? Like what?

It seems he denies the physical when he states "although clear-cut signs within the brain have eluded convincing documentation."

I completely disagree. Just the use of medication alone dispels this claim of his.

It seems he would side with scientologists more than psychologists.

LOL,

It seems I'm not the only one who has ever thought that!

http://lofi.forum.physorg.com/A-Breakthrough-in-Emotions_2061.html

hmm...this looks supspiciously like the Scientology tone scale.

[Badly Shaved Monkey]

Originally posted by Eos of the Eons
You can see his credentials here:

http://www.angelfire.com/rnb/fairhaven/contact.html

He sounds like a philosophy major though, and a bit like scientologist to boot.


Philosophy of the bar room rather than the technically rigorous variety.

Does anyone else here see the similarity to Mad Albert and Bach from the homeopathy boards. Same devotion to Big Words. Same mistaken belief that merely stringing Big Words together into Long Sentences makes what you say True.

Anything they write really should be prefaced with "I think..." or "Wouldn't it be nice if...". It is neither more nor less true than a piece of poetry, but they like to present it as objective truth.

values, where does logorrhoea fit into your scheme of mental states?

[Eos of the Eons]

I feel you're dead on Badly Shaved Monkey. I totally agree.

Here is yet another board where he has done this:

http://www.ai-forum.org/topic.asp?forum_id=1&topic_id=16467

and another:

http://forum.psychdaily.com/forum.php?t=2386

and another:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/semanticweb/message/2427

Etc. Etc. Etc.

[Mojo]

Originally posted by values
Yes, I have been published in several journals The only publications I can see listed on the C.V. on your website are two books, which you seem to have published yourself. Can you provide references for any of your journal articles? Don't worry about your being suspended, I'm happy to wait until next Sunday. BTW, you dont mention anything about your credentials???Now who have we heard this excuse from recently? Ah (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?postid=1870855716#post1870855716) yes (http://www.drmas.tk/), I remember...

[Kiless]

Originally posted by Eos of the Eons
I feel you're dead on Badly Shaved Monkey. I totally agree.

Here is yet another board where he has done this:

http://www.ai-forum.org/topic.asp?forum_id=1&topic_id=16467

and another:

http://forum.psychdaily.com/forum.php?t=2386

and another:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/semanticweb/message/2427

Etc. Etc. Etc.

Man, Eos, you are nifty with the research! :) Let me know if you ever do a book, I'd get a copy! :)

[Eos of the Eons]

:D Cool!

Now I just gotta learn me some book writin' techniques, I wouldn't want to put out trash like John here!

It's funny how the Trudeaus and LaMuth's of the world can put out such garbage and make a buck. It's all in the marketing.

[bpesta22]

I'm not sure how much help I'll be here-- it was hard to wade through all that.

Science citation index shows no publications in anything (peer reviewed or otherwise) for this guy.

From what I read, it seems like just a taxonomy, which is fine, but, i was left wondering what's the point?

Beyond putting numbers next to different emotions, what insights into human behavior does the system give?

I imagine it'd be very easy to empirically test the ideas with factor analyses. He's making specific claims about the factor structure of human emotions. A little bit of data showing the factors really exist the way he thinks they do would settle the issue one way or another.

I assume the book has all that data reported.....

:rolleyes:

[Kiless]

Originally posted by bpesta22
From what I read, it seems like just a taxonomy, which is fine, but, i was left wondering what's the point?
Beyond putting numbers next to different emotions, what insights into human behavior does the system give?

Yeah, that's what I was thinking... after looking at what Eos posted, I thought it was rather like giving numbers to colours... and then not giving any reason for it. I could use such a thing for a purpose (colour by numbers?) but unless it's defined....

Originally posted by bpesta22
I assume the book has all that data reported.....

:rolleyes:

I ain't buying a copy to find out... not unless he gives a coherent reason. Sorry you had to wade through that, gave me a headache for a start...

[crimresearch]

Originally posted by values
Yes, I have been published in several journals and a number of conferences. My work will readily stand up to both behaviorists and cognitists.
I sure dont feel like posting my bibliography in a semi-hostile environment...

Please feel free to google me !!!

BTW, you dont mention anything about your credentials???

JLM

OK....

http://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=John+E.+LaMuth+&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en&btnG=Search

[Badly Shaved Monkey]

Ultimate Guide to Family Values, The: A Grand Unified Theory of Ethics and Morality - Revised EditionÂ_Â_
John, E. Lamuth



"A Grand Unified Theory..."!!

Would hate to see you underselling yourself, John.

I hope that title is intended as joke, but I fear it is not.

Sadly no purchasers at Amazon have taken the trouble to review or rate any of Mr LaMuth's books.

The echoing silence suggests that he has spammed and run with his trousers round his ankles.

[Donks]

Originally posted by Badly Shaved Monkey
Ultimate Guide to Family Values, The: A Grand Unified Theory of Ethics and Morality - Revised Edition�_�_
John, E. Lamuth



"A Grand Unified Theory..."!!

Would hate to see you underselling yourself, John.

I hope that title is intended as joke, but I fear it is not.

Sadly no purchasers at Amazon have taken the trouble to review or rate any of Mr LaMuth's books.

The echoing silence suggests that he has spammed and run with his trousers round his ankles.
I believe he got suspended for a week.

[Badly Shaved Monkey]

Sorry, silly me for not paying attention. The echoing silence of a fleeing spammer and a suspended rulebreaker sound similar.

[Jeff Corey]

Originally posted by values
My new system represents a newly released synthesis of the
fields of behavioral psychology and value ethics. Its instinctual
foundations make it equally applicable to both athiests and/or the religiously-minded...

Here the instinctual terminology of operant conditioning pro-
vides an elementary foundation for a subjective hierarchy of the
traditional groupings of virtues, values, and ideals....

Here you show that you are completely ignorant when it comes to operant conditioning.

[Badly Shaved Monkey]

How does some one write a paragraph like this;

" Although the spiritual realm is clearly the maximum level of organization, in keeping with the traditions of Set Theory; this very sense of chronological time permits the introduction of the even more advanced notion of humanitarian authority into the mix. Indeed, the great theoretical physicist, Albert Einstein defined time as the fourth dimension of the universe, making it seem only fitting that this humanitarian theme would enter into consideration precisely at this fourth-order level of the power hierarchy. Humanitarian authority transcends the spiritual variety by claiming to speak for all generations of mankind, not just the current one; experienced as past traditionalism and/or future potentiality. Its extreme degree of generality precludes its identification with any particular social institution; rather its themes are incorporated into the spiritual (and sometimes political) framework of society as a whole, as relating to ritualism/conservation."

http://www.charactervalues.com/

It's quite a talent.

[Badly Shaved Monkey]

http://www.ethicalvalues.com/

Is it that the Patent Office don't understand his submission or do they just not care if it is gibberish so long as the proper paperwork is submitted?

[skepHick]

Originally posted by Badly Shaved Monkey
How does some one write a paragraph like this;

*snipped for brevity of this post*

http://www.charactervalues.com/

It's quite a talent.
Originally posted by Badly Shaved Monkey
http://www.ethicalvalues.com/

Is it that the Patent Office don't understand his submission or do they just not care if it is gibberish so long as the proper paperwork is submitted?

It is, indeed, more difficult than it seems. Consider that my patent application which states, in part:

...Compaq Marlboro coffee glass candle dog as it applies to the function of calculating the ambient sound of Eddie Money music coming from outside, whilst applying toenail polish on the lamp. The development of toilet bowl cleaner that Albert Einstein's E=MC^2 is certain to revolutionize oh, there are the shoes I was looking for...

is still pending approval. I'll post the Patent Office response when I receive it.

[Mojo]

Originally posted by Badly Shaved Monkey
Sorry, silly me for not paying attention. The echoing silence of a fleeing spammer and a suspended rulebreaker sound similar. Suspended or not, spamming and running looks to be his style, if what happened on some of the other fora he's participated in is anything to go by. here (http://forum.physorg.com/index.php?showtopic=1016), for example, he started three threads, two of them with identical posts. Guess how many posts he made on that forum in total?

[Perpetual Notion]

I am devising a new Grand Unified Scale of Trollism with a MAS being a perfect 500. Currently, I am assigning values a score of 273 with points being awarded for spamming, refusing to answer direct questions and demanding to know our credentials while bragging about his. (On his page on amazon.com he says he has a Masters in Counseling.) values has also been awarded additional points for being suspended in only one day.

If values wishes to increase his score when his suspension is lifted he can post in pretty colors, engage in the use of condescending smilies, enlist his friends to defend him and post pictures of his children and seedy hotels while continuing to accuse us of being unqualified to understand his greatness. Good luck to you values. We look forward to your continuing non-contributions to this forum and to humankind.

[Ducky]

Hey it's LRH back from his "reasearch" without his body!

This guy and scientology would fit perfectly.

I think he may be gearing up for the Co$ replacement cult!


What a tool.

[values]

You guys seem to have me all wrong.
I am a skeptic at heart with no religious agenda
to push, even though I feel that virtues
and values are relevant.

I imagined that my new viewpoints would
be welcome, being as they impart an instinctual
scientific foundation to ground (within reality) much
of the fanatical religiousity out there.

This could prove to be a big boon for the skeptic
movement. Please lighten up and I will
try to answer all your objections...
I wouldn't expect anything less as a skeptic...

John

www.charactervalues.com

[The Don]

I'm always sceptical of any system which is so ready to describe behaviours as vices. This implies a degree of moral absolutism which I consider unacceptable.



Which year were you nominated for the Pulitzer ? I've searched the final nominees and can't find you.

It would seem that anyone can nominate anyone for a Pulitzer Prize so long as you cough up the $50 handling fee. The key is to manage to get on the finalists list. Describing yourself as Pulitzer nominated if you don't get to the final nominee list is being a little hazy with the truth.


And finally..... what does it do ?

[Mojo]

Originally posted by The Don
And finally..... what does it do ? Bugger all.

[Ducky]

Originally posted by values
You guys seem to have me all wrong.
I am a skeptic at heart with no religious agenda
to push, even though I feel that virtues
and values are relevant.

I imagined that my new viewpoints would
be welcome, being as they impart an instinctual
scientific foundation to ground (within reality) much
of the fanatical religiousity out there.

This could prove to be a big boon for the skeptic
movement. Please lighten up and I will
try to answer all your objections...
I wouldn't expect anything less as a skeptic...

John

www.charactervalues.com

Ok.

What year were you nominated for the Nobel, what area of work was it in, and why can't we find your name on any of the final nominations list?

How do you account for treating ambiguous behaviors as vices without context? How does this unify morals and ethics across the board without negating contrextual issues to the event in question?

[Eos of the Eons]

We have some pasted meanderings without reason, and then some whining. No actual posting of opinion for discussion.

It would be like I posted a bunch of meaningless equations without explaining the point of them.

Lessee,

6y (765) x bx/ts=abc!!

Aren't I brilliant!

Now buy my book :p

[Kiless]

Originally posted by Eos of the Eons
Now buy my book :p

If I buy two, will you sign them? :)

[Ducky]

Originally posted by Kiless
If I buy two, will you sign them? :)


No but five gets you oral sex.



I've heard...



:D

[Eos of the Eons]

:jaw:

[Ducky]

Originally posted by Eos of the Eons
:jaw:


Sorry, that's MY book. Not yours.


My mistake ;)

[Eos of the Eons]

:o Thanks for the clarification fowlsound
.

Kiless, you wouldn't want my shameful signature in that particular book on that gobbledygook equation!

See, it's an equation on, um, uh...well, it's a skeptic thing, and one day it will uh....

Oh man, I'd be most unsuccessful as a con artist.

[jay gw]

You are so closed minded you wouldn't be able to realize the next big thing...

The study of virtue and character isn't new but Americans and the world have forgotten it completely.

[values]

I wuld like to have a semi-serious conversation, but there are too many crude/lewd jokers on this thread

[Eos of the Eons]

Oh, hear it now, WE'RE the crude ones.

The inability to discuss one's own ramblings in order to convince others that there is a point to it would seem to be the crudeness here.

[values]

Your're the self-titled philosopher.

Getting back to the basic issues of my beginning post on this thread, what part don't you understand?

Instead of asking what does it do, ask what it doesn't do?

There are applications to every major aspect of human endeavor...

[Eos of the Eons]

I'm not the one who chose "philosopher". The title appears after so many posts. I haven't bothered to personalize mine yet.

Something to keep in mind...don't assume.

I, among others, have already posted our questions. Why don't you start with those?

[Kiless]

Originally posted by values
Your're the self-titled philosopher.

Getting back to the basic issues of my beginning post on this thread, what part don't you understand?

Instead of asking what does it do, ask what it doesn't do?

There are applications to every major aspect of human endeavor...

So you can't even say what it does?? :eek:

"There are applications to every major aspect of human endeavor... "

Like what? Got any references? Who has used it? To what effect? Got peer-reviewed citations of practical use? Apart from a student essay who mentioned you in passing as a quirky reference about how 'robots need ethics'...

Oh, the title comes with a number of posts - did you read the FAQ before signing up here? *ahem - like 'no advertising'...*

[values]

Beyond the more dramatic applications to criminality and mental illness, applications further extend to the much broader realm of positive psychology. Here the character values are modeled in terms of the schematic definition format, promoting positive values across society as a whole (as well as impeding criminal tendencies). Perhaps the greatest beneficiaries include the youth of the nation, whose character/propensities are gradually being molded into place. The more routine virtues and values of the ethical hierarchy prove invaluable for navigating these crucial stages in emotional development. The schematic definitions for the virtuous mode could be incorporated, where appropriate, into the academic curriculum. Indeed, the current trend towards character education provides a valuable adjunct for themes usually dealt with at a religious level. Furthermore, the schematic contrast between the vices of defect and the virtuous mode should provide crucial guideposts for decisions of a moral nature, as specifically outlined within the schematic definition format.
The vices of excess further figure prominently in character education, particularly that young adult phase when extremes in behavior are just emerging. These precise techniques for relation-ship modeling, in turn, apply to an adult sphere of influence, where marital/family frictions are respectively resolved. Here, the schematic definition format emerges as a general-purpose diagnostic tool for virtually everything of an emotional nature: encompassing the more routine virtues and vices, as well as the darker themes of criminality and mental illness. Even the enigmatic realm of humor and comedy (modeled through the lesser virtues) is adequately represented within this master format indicating a supreme degree of versatility.

JLM

[Donks]

Originally posted by values
Beyond the more dramatic applications to criminality and mental illness, applications further extend to the much broader realm of positive psychology. Here the character values are modeled in terms of the schematic definition format, promoting positive values across society as a whole (as well as impeding criminal tendencies).
Do you have any evidence that "criminal tendencies" can be predicted using your model? Any evidence that your model can help prevent, diagnose or treat any mental disorder or illness?

[values]

Criminal tendencies are diminished in light of concerted virtuous behaviors. Also, I include 42 clinical case histories in the
DCE-I that corroborate the communicational factors for MI as outlined. Furthermore, I also have a second patent pending which incorporates these factors into the invention of an AI criminal case worker, as well as an AI clinician/MH therapist.
The future is here now !!!

JLM

[Donks]

Originally posted by values
Criminal tendencies are diminished in light of concerted virtuous behaviors.
I didn't ask for a new assertion. I asked for evidence.
Also, I include 42 clinical case histories in the
DCE-I that corroborate the communicational factors for MI as outlined.
So I'd have to buy your book to see the evidence? No thanks. Are any of these clinical cases publiched in peer reviewed journals?
Furthermore, I also have a second patent pending which incorporates these factors into the invention of an AI criminal case worker, as well as an AI clinician/MH therapist.

Do you have a working demo for either of these programs? Do you have any data showing how implementations of your patents would perform? Do you have a single line of code written for any of the 3 implementations you have proposed?

[values]

Originally posted by values
Criminal tendencies are diminished in light of concerted virtuous behaviors.
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I didn't ask for a new assertion. I asked for evidence.


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I said all along this is a theoretical system.
Doesn't make it any less valid...

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Also, I include 42 clinical case histories in the
DCE-I that corroborate the communicational factors for MI as outlined.
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So I'd have to buy your book to see the evidence? No thanks. Are any of these clinical cases publiched in peer reviewed journals?

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Yes, I purchased the permission rights from a respected academic publication.

quote:
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Furthermore, I also have a second patent pending which incorporates these factors into the invention of an AI criminal case worker, as well as an AI clinician/MH therapist.

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Do you have a working demo for either of these programs? Do you have any data showing how implementations of your patents would perform? Do you have a single line of code written for any of the 3 implementations you have proposed?

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They questioned the Wright Brothers too...
At least I'm staying busy...

[Donks]

Originally posted by values
I said all along this is a theoretical system.
Doesn't make it any less valid...
Your theory doesn't make sense from a Computer Science standpoint. I'll let others judge if it makes sense from a psychology standpoint.

Yes, I purchased the permission rights from a respected academic publication.
Which respected academic publication?
They questioned the Wright Brothers too...
The Wright brothers had a working model, which makes your little statement completely irrelevant.
You are proposing implementable systems. Have you implemented any part of them? How do you know any of them will work?
At least I'm staying busy...
By spamming boards all over the internet with posts peddling your books?

[values]

quote:
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At least I'm staying busy...
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By spamming boards all over the internet with posts peddling your books?


__________________
Intelligent Design
grand Illusions.com Site that sells tricks and illusions. Watch the dragon video.
What "music" I listen to.

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What about your blatant advertising just above ?!?
I got suspended for a lot less than that !!
I am proud of my writing and wish to share it.
What's your story ???

[Donks]

Originally posted by values
What about your blatant advertising just above ?!?
I got suspended for a lot less than that !!
I am proud of my writing and wish to share it.
What's your story ???
You don't like my signature? Too bad. Feel free to report me. Feel free to report all my posts, my signature is in all of them.

Are you going to answer any of my questions or not?

[clarsct]

Originally posted by Eos of the Eons
:jaw:



Um. Is this the proper smilie to post after an oral sex joke?


That questions has led to a loss of productivity at my workplace, I assure you.

Oh, and I would also buy Eos's book, if she would sign it for me at the bookstore.

For that fact I would buy Kiless', as well, on the same condition.











What? Why you all looking at me like that? I'm about to be a married man, I just wanted to meet two of my most liked posters...dirty perverts.....;)

[values]

Yu can break any rule yu want
Dont matter to me.

Its clear no answer'l satisfy you...
I dont allow myself to be mind-sucked...

Sorry, gotta muv on...

(I'm sure you'll get the last word, however)

X ------------------------------------

[Kiless]

Oh dear, I think we drove him to drink. :(

[Jeff Corey]

Originally posted by values

At least I'm staying busy...

So did farmer Frank Stoeber of Cawker City, Kansas, when he created the world's largest ball of twine. But at least Frank had something concrete to show for all his efforts. You don't, except for a glutinous mass of gibberish.

[Badly Shaved Monkey]

Originally posted by Jeff Corey
So did farmer Frank Stoeber of Cawker City, Kansas, when he created the world's largest ball of twine. But at least Frank had something concrete to show for all his efforts. You don't, except for a glutinous mass of gibberish.

Perhaps values could use his system to tell us how to categorise the sense of satisfaction obtained from creating the world's biggest ball of twine and then explain how that helps us in any way.

[Eos of the Eons]

Originally posted by clarsct
[B]Um. Is this the proper smilie to post after an oral sex joke?




;)





Well, at least I'm ethical enough to not just make up nonsense to peddle. I'll sign anything you want for free, um, within reason :) Perhaps the greatest beneficiaries include the youth of the nation, whose character/propensities are gradually being molded into place

What?? Are you saying we stereotype teens? I haven't found one teen I could compare to another. Or are you saying teens are the only ones that have gradual molding of character? Eh? And nobody else? Prove your assertions with something .



particularly that young adult phase when extremes in behavior are just emerging.

Again, what? I find extremes in behaviour emerge in all age groups, especially before the "young adult phase".

Why does this guy remind me of Kumar? Well...broad sweeping generalities combined with excessive use (maybe even misuse) of terms. Also reminds me of when I read Dianetics.

You haven't demonstrated that even you know what you are talking about "values".

[Mojo]

Originally posted by values
Yes, I have been published in several journals... Now that you're back, would you care to provide references for these journal articles?

[values]

I notice that the blowhards and bulldogs that bark
the loudest are the least qualified to be critics....

I have had several qualified members cotact me off list
with encouraging replies.

(I guess they don't care to run the gauntlett of
bs and hot-air)

:) ...

[Ducky]

Originally posted by values
I notice that the blowhards and bulldogs that bark
the loudest are the least qualified to be critics....

I have had several qualified members cotact me off list
with encouraging replies.

(I guess they don't care to run the gauntlett of
bs and hot-air)

:) ...

I guess you don't either as you have refused to answer any questions sufficiently.

[Donks]

Originally posted by values
I notice that the blowhards and bulldogs that bark
the loudest are the least qualified to be critics....
Care to list the qualifications of thse "blowhards and bulldogs"?

I have had several qualified members cotact me off list
with encouraging replies.
Care to list the qualifications (no names) of the members that contacted you privately?
(I guess they don't care to run the gauntlett of
bs and hot-air)

:) ...
No, what you don't care to do is answer questions.

[values]

quote:
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Originally posted by values
I notice that the blowhards and bulldogs that bark
the loudest are the least qualified to be critics....
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Care to list the qualifications of thse "blowhards and bulldogs"?

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I would classify you as more of a bulldog (ruffff !!)

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I have had several qualified members contact me off list
with encouraging replies.
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Care to list the qualifications (no names) of the members that contacted you privately?

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They wouldn't have their privacy, then, would they...

quote:
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(I guess they don't care to run the gauntlett of
bs and hot-air)

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No, what you don't care to do is answer questions.

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You love to ask questions you already know the answer to.
What do you really want to know ????

[Donks]

Originally posted by values
I would classify you as more of a bulldog (ruffff !!)
Great. What are my qualifications?

They wouldn't have their privacy, then, would they...
That's why I said no names. But fine.
You love to ask questions you already know the answer to.
What do you really want to know ????
What are you doing in a skeptics board, where you will be asked for evidence, when you don't have a single shred of it?

[values]

quote:
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Originally posted by values
I would classify you as more of a bulldog (ruffff !!)
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Great. What are my qualifications?

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That's a good question... Care to answer ???
All I can see is someone pushing their
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grand Illusions.com Site that sells tricks and illusions. Watch the dragon video.

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You love to ask questions you already know the answer to.
What do you really want to know ????
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What are you doing in a skeptics board, where you will be asked for evidence, when you don't have a single shred of it?

I will repeat...
What do you really want to know ????

__________________
Intelligent Design
grand Illusions.com Site that sells tricks and illusions. Watch the dragon video.
What "music" I listen to.

[Donks]

Originally posted by values
That's a good question... Care to answer ???
Wait, you mean you don't know? When you stated that "the blowhards and bulldogs were least qualified" you had no idea about the qualifications of the blowhards and bulldogs? You were talking out of your ass? Color me surprised.
All I can see is someone pushing their
**********************
grand Illusions.com Site that sells tricks and illusions. Watch the dragon video.
Who said it was my site? You have no idea what a signature is or what it's for, do you?
I will repeat...
What do you really want to know ????
How about all the questions I and others have asked of you in this and your other threads?

Oh, and could you learn to quote? It's kind of hard for me to believe you intend to program an AI when you can't even learn vbcode.

[values]

You're barking like a bulldog again....
Don't you ever get horse ? (sic)....

[Donks]

Originally posted by values
You're barking like a bulldog again....
Don't you ever get horse ? (sic)....
Nope. It takes almost no effort to ask for evidence for wild claims. I bet it took you a lot longer to write 96 pages of gibberish and get them patented.

[values]

I have concluded you are incapable of dwelling on specifics...

Afraid of committment ???

[Donks]

Originally posted by values
I have concluded you are incapable of dwelling on specifics...

Afraid of committment ???
Nope. If I ask you questions will you actually answer them or whill you acuse me of being a bulldog?

[values]

Please shoot away ....

I am in a hurry to reach the "philosoper's rank."

[Kiless]

I think we have indeed, driven him to drink. Or maybe he was in the bottle all along?

Grammar - gone.
Spelling - gone.
Coherency - gone.
Ability to communicate - gone.
Willingness to elaborate - gone.
Ability to answer sensible questions - never appeared to be there in the first place...
Professional attitude towards genuine inquiries - never appeared to be there in the first place...
Ability to provide evidence for research - never appeared to be there in the first place...
Evidence of any real application of this incoherent-looking list to any real purpose whatsoever - never appeared to be there in the first place...
Ability to read a simple FAQ - never appeared to be there in the first place...

I find Pillory far more convincing. And entertaining, intellectual and dare I say, demonstrating a better grasp of the human condition than most people I meet. Certainly better than this (don't you love the irony??) 'values'. :) Pardon me while I snorfle...

But then I'm prejudiced towards Pillory - this values fellow has done nothing but blarg a bunch of incoherency on several posts; get suspended; is revealed to be a 'hit and run' spammer on a variety of internet forums and is clearly up to the same trick here... and now seems to have lost this vaunted ability to demonstrate academic acumen, basic honesty, literacy and ... where does he fall on his own garbled values scale, I wonder? ;)

Give me a stonked Finnish poet with a fondness for creatively communicating his love for the works of Warren Zevon anyday.

Nearly forgot! Value's new tactic! Has apparently managed to come up with highly unsubstantiated claims that 'some people appreciate me and have PMed me!!!!!!!' :rolleyes:

Convenient.

But then, all woo-woos traditionally seem to lack the basic skills to communicate effectively. Usually a mark of insufficent education.

Let me know if the Church of Scientology sues his arse for plagiarising their criteria without due credit... as I don't intend to waste bandwidth returning to read this loser and his undermedicated howls of frustration about his vanity-publication.

Redline.

[Ducky]

Kiless, brillaintly debunked and spoken.


I've nominated this for a language award.







So, Any questions you care to answer, values?

[Donks]

Originally posted by values
Please shoot away ....

I am in a hurry to reach the "philosoper's rank."
Ok, questions from this thread only, by all posters:
1) Have you published in peer reviewed journals? If so, please provide references.
2) How would you test your diagnostic classification? Have you performed such a test? If so, please present your results.
3) Where does logorrhoea fit into your scheme of mental states?
4) Beyond putting numbers next to different emotions, what insights into human behavior does the system give?
5) Do you have data sowing that the factor structure of human emotions exists?
6) Which year were you nominated for the Pulitzer ?
7) How do you account for treating ambiguous behaviors as vices without context?
8) How does this unify morals and ethics across the board without negating contrextual issues to the event in question?
9) Do you have any evidence that "criminal tendencies" can be predicted using your model?
10) Any evidence that your model can help prevent, diagnose or treat any mental disorder or illness?

That should be enough for now.

[values]

I second the nomination !!!

It is truly hillarious ....

I haven't read anything so stratespheric since the time I rode Katrina to the Moon !!!

[Ducky]

Originally posted by values
I second the nomination !!!

It is truly hillarious ....

I haven't read anything so stratespheric since the time I rode Katrina to the Moon !!!

Great, you see my point.

Now please answer all questions asked by Donks.

they are serious and beget serious response.

[clarsct]

I predict that this will not happen, fowlsound.

Where do I apply for the million?


Oh, and in all seriousness, yes, Donks has summarized our questions quite well. Answer them if you are able.

[values]

Logorrhoea (US logorrhea) (Greek λογο��οια, logorrhoia, "word-flux") is defined as an "excessive flow of words" and, when used medically, refers to incoherent talkativeness that occurs in certain kinds of mental illness.

The word logorrhoea is often used pejoratively to describe prose that is highly abstract and contains little concrete language. Since abstract writing is hard to visualize, it often seems as though it makes no sense and all the words are excessive. Writers in academic fields that concern themselves mostly with the abstract, like philosophy and especially postmodernism, often fail to include extensive concrete examples of their ideas, and so a superficial examination of their work might lead one to believe that it is all nonsense.

The widespread expectation that scholarly works in these fields will look at first glance like nonsense is the source of humor that pokes fun at these fields by comparing actual nonsense with real academic writing.

[Donks]

Originally posted by values
Logorrhoea (US logorrhea) (Greek λογο��οια, logorrhoia, "word-flux") is defined as an "excessive flow of words" and, when used medically, refers to incoherent talkativeness that occurs in certain kinds of mental illness.

The word logorrhoea is often used pejoratively to describe prose that is highly abstract and contains little concrete language. Since abstract writing is hard to visualize, it often seems as though it makes no sense and all the words are excessive. Writers in academic fields that concern themselves mostly with the abstract, like philosophy and especially postmodernism, often fail to include extensive concrete examples of their ideas, and so a superficial examination of their work might lead one to believe that it is all nonsense.

The widespread expectation that scholarly works in these fields will look at first glance like nonsense is the source of humor that pokes fun at these fields by comparing actual nonsense with real academic writing.
The best you can do is copy/paste, unattributed, from Wikipedia? Well done.

[Kiless]

Jesus christ, at least CITE that you're blatantly stealing from THIS (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logorrhoea) site?????

Yeah, I am DONE with this ..... idiot!!

[Kiless]

Originally posted by Donks
The best you can do is copy/paste, unattributed, from Wikipedia? Well done.

LOL! :D You beat me to it! Okay, I'll leave you to him. :)

[values]

You missed the point...

I cant imagine how any of you have the background to
distinguish logorrhoea from the "real deal."

Just the way you phrased your questions (beyond the
personal ones - which are off limits) demonstrates that
no amount of coaching would readily bring you around...

[Mojo]

Originally posted by values
You missed the point...

I cant imagine how any of you have the background to
distinguish logorrhoea from the "real deal."

Just the way you phrased your questions (beyond the
personal ones - which are off limits) demonstrates that
no amount of coaching would readily bring you around... So we're back to the "you're not qualified to understand me" excuse, are we. It wasn't convincing when MAS tried it either.

If you're worried about qualifications, why not answer a question the answer to which shouldn't require any particular expertise to understand:

You have stated that Originally posted by values
I have been published in several journals Can you provide any evidence to demonstrate that this statement of yours is true? Providing references for your articles should be enough (you know how to do this, I'm sure: article title, name of journal, year, volume/part number, page number).

[values]

I just stated that personal issues are off limits.

However, if you are brave enough to post up your own
bibliography, then I will certainly match it...

[Mojo]

Originally posted by values
I just stated that personal issues are off limits. If you've published articles in journals, they can hardly be considered to be "personal," can they. That's the whole point of publication: it gets your ideas out in public. However, if you are brave enough to post up your own
bibliography, then I will certainly match it... I've never claimed to have published anything. You, on the other hand, have stated Originally posted by values
I have been published in several journals Now, can you provide references? If you can't, what inference do you think it would be reasonable to draw from your failure?

[values]

I can provide, but I dont wish to set that type of precedent.
You hide behind your own cutsie user name.

My work stands alone anyway.

How can you look at the grand elegance of the
diagram posted at

www.charactervalues.org

and still play your prove-it games?

You are totally blinded by familiarity....

[Mojo]

Originally posted by values
How can you look at the grand elegance of the
diagram posted at

www.charactervalues.orgHmm. I see you have "Humility" and "Modesty" listed as virtues (albeit "lesser" ones). How about "Irony?"

[Soapy Sam]

1101101110111101011011010010110001
Funny, that wasn't there before.
I'll try again , later's.
Oh, look- a goat!

[Badly Shaved Monkey]

Originally posted by values
I can provide, but I dont wish to set that type of precedent.
You hide behind your own cutsie user name.

My work stands alone anyway.

How can you look at the grand elegance of the
diagram posted at

www.charactervalues.org

and still play your prove-it games?

You are totally blinded by familiarity....

Grand elegance?

:)

Look at one line;

Felicity > Grandeur . . Righteous.> Immaculat

Throwing the pages of a thesaurus in the air and recording where they land does not produce something of grand elegance.

How has it been validated?

Unless you are able to "prove-it" is non-arbitrary it is just a colossal waste of time.

[Mojo]

Originally posted by Badly Shaved Monkey
Grand elegance?

:)

Look at one line;

Felicity > Grandeur . . Righteous.> Immaculat

Throwing the pages of a thesaurus in the air and recording where they land does not produce something of grand elegance. At least it's not all in different colours like this page (http://www.angelfire.com/rnb/fairhaven/index.html)!

[Jeff Corey]

Originally posted by Mojo
At least it's not all in different colours like this page (http://www.angelfire.com/rnb/fairhaven/index.html)!
Now that's impressive, not like John's nonsense. I especially liked the part about the mean.
I always instinctually knew that the ns justified the means.

[IllegalArgument]

After looking at values posts, it reads like a spin off of the positive psychology movement. I'm not quite sure why he needed to redo what's already been done.

One recurring problem I have with these kinds of classifications is, reification, here's the wiki for it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reification

[Mojo]

Originally posted by values
I can provide, but I dont wish to set that type of precedent. Don't worry: we have plenty of precedents of evasive behaviour. You hide behind your own cutsie user name. Yes, like most of the posters here, I post under a pseudonym (as indeed do you: you only revealed your name because you're trying to sell your book). This means that if I make an assertion I have to be prepared to back it up with facts. I can't just make spurious appeals to authority along the lines of "I've been published in journals."

You introduced your alleged publications in journals in an attempt to give yourself an appearence of authority. Why are you now so reluctant to say what those journals are? Are they that embarrasing? Or do they just not exist?

[Mojo]

Originally posted by Jeff Corey
Now that's impressive, not like John's nonsense. Er. Go to the link John posted above: http://www.charactervalues.org/

Scroll down to the bottom of the page and follow the link to "Other Books by the Author."

See where that takes you!

[Ashles]

Originally posted by values
I can provide, but I dont wish to set that type of precedent.
You don't want to set the precedent of providing details of where you have been published?

I don't understand.

If your work "stands alone" then why did you send it for publishing?

And if it has been published and peer reviewed why are you so unwilling to provide the details?

It makes no sense unless you haven't really been published at all and this entire theory of yours only exists as a website and a book.

I had a look at the book on Amazon (I notice it hasn't had any reviews).

It appears to be published by Fairhaven Book Publishers.

This press release (http://www.asa3.org/archive/asa/200110/0330.html) provides a contact name for Fairhaven Book Publishers - a John E. LaMuth M.S.

So your book is actually a vanity published project?

It hasn't really been peer reviewed by anyone, has it?

You have been asked to provide details of where you have been published numerous times and have evaded the requests every time.

You said you wanted a sensible discussion - well we can't have one with someone who claims to have published groundbreaking scientific research, but then refuses to tell anyone where they have been published.

You won't be taken seriously here until you back up your claims with evidence. Which it appears you don't have.

[Suggestologist]

Originally posted by values
Beyond [spatial]
the more [lost comparative]
dramatic [emotional evaluation]
applications [presuppositional payload]
to criminality and mental illness, applications [presuppositional payload, repeated]
further [spatial comparative]
extend [spatial]
to the much broader [spatial comparative]
realm [spatial]
of positive psychology. Here [spatial]
the character values are modeled [process]
in terms of [digital reframe]
the schematic definition format [presuppositional payload], promoting [causal]
positive [valuation]
values across [spatial]
society as a whole [role; spatial]
(as well as impeding [causal]
criminal tendencies). Perhaps [possibility]
the greatest [superlative]
beneficiaries include [spatial]
the youth of the nation, whose character/propensities are gradually [speed]
being molded [spatial process]
into place. [spatial]
The more [lost comparative]
routine [meta-process]
virtues and values of the ethical hierarchy [presuppositional payload]
prove [logic]
invaluable [valuation]
for navigating [spatial]
these crucial [evaluation]
stages [process]
in emotional development [process].


Anyway..

Furthermore, the schematic contrast between the vices of defect and the virtuous mode should provide crucial guideposts for decisions of a moral nature, as specifically outlined within the schematic definition format.

Specifically, how would one use them as guideposts?


These precise techniques for relation-ship modeling, in turn, apply to an adult sphere of influence, where marital/family frictions are respectively resolved.

Precisely, which techniques? Describe one.

[Nucular]

"Alright, I will answer all your questions."
"Go on then."
"No."

Well since Mr. LaMuth has so admirably declined to boast about his publishing record, I set to work myself trying to find his peer-reviewed research.

Databases I searched were:

Allied & Complementary Medicine - 1985 to date (AMED)
British Nursing Index - 1994 to date (BNID)
CINAHL (R) - 1982 to date (NAHL)
DH-DATA - 1983 to date (DHSS)
EMBASE - 1974 to date (EMZZ)
EMBASE - 1996 to date (EMED)
King's Fund - 1979 to date (KFND)
MEDLINE - 1951 to date (MEZZ)
MEDLINE - 1996 to date (MEDL)
PsycINFO - 1806 to date (PSYC)
And, for good measure, PubMed, with which we're all familiar.

I searched simply for "LaMuth", first in the 'author' field, and then in the 'whole text' field, guessing rightly that it was an uncommon enough name to be able to distinguish our Mr. LaMuth from any others.

Three hits. One is his book, which obviously isn't a journal article.

The other two hits were both from 'psycCRITIQUE' (http://www.apa.org/psyccritiques/), an American Psychological Association online weekly book review database - one reviewing Mr. LaMuth's book Communication Breakdown?, and the other a response from the author.

So this seems to be what a pretty thorough trawl of the scientific literature has turned up: a review by someone else, and what amounts to a rather cross letter to the editor.

"Yes, I have been published in several journals..." I believe was the original claim. Care to explain, Mr. LaMuth?




Unfortunately I don't have access to psycCRITIQUE, but I do have the abstracts of both articles, which I can't link to, but can cut & paste in full here (I hope):Title
Virtues, Vices, and Religious Beliefs as Assessment Tools.
Source
PsycCRITIQUES, 2005, vol. 50, no. 19, p. (np), US: American Psychological Assn, http://www.apa.org, ISSN: 1554-0138 (Electronic).
Author(s)
Jones-Annie-Lee.

Abstract
Reviews the book, Communication Breakdown, (see record 2004-21256-000) that is designed to be a systematic aid to character analysis, behavioral assessment, and diagnosis in the development of a plan for the treatment of mental illness. The author stresses the utility of his system in the identification of the causes of interpersonal and social maladjustment and he attempts to provide a philosophical, theological, and counseling manual for the systematic diagnosis and treatment of defects of virtue associated with all categories of mental illness. The book is replete with lengthy presentations of the author's interpretation of the virtues and vices that are predictive of mental illness and criminal behavior. The entire text is problematic in that the author does not clearly elaborate why he thinks his interpretation of virtues and vices are at the core of all the ills of society. The text also is very difficult to follow given the author's heavy reliance on charting and his use of suppositions that are not always readily apparent to the reader. Overall, the book is a rambling discourse on ethics that may be useful to some readers as a way to explain behavior. The book is not a diagnostic or statistical manual that would be useful in health care delivery systems and has limited utility in a clinical setting. (PsycINFO Database Record (c) 2005 APA, all rights reserved)
Reviewed item: John E. LaMuth, Communication Breakdown: Decoding the Riddle of Mental Illness, Lucerne Valley, CA: Fairhaven. 2004. 276 pp. ISBN 1-929649-20-7. $28.95, 2004.Title
Communication Breakdown? A Reply by the Author, John E. LaMuth, to the Review by Annie Lee Jones of Communication Breakdown: Decoding the Riddle of Mental Illness.
Source
PsycCRITIQUES, 2005, vol. 50, no. 27, p. (np), US: American Psychological Assn, http://www.apa.org, ISSN: 1554-0138 (Electronic).
Author(s)
LaMuth-John-E.

Abstract
Replies to comment by A. Jones in her review (see record 2005-04145-001) of John LaMuth's book, Communication Breakdown: Decoding the Riddle of Mental Illness, (see record 2004-21256-000). La Muth argues that virtually the entire review concentrates on the preliminary background material relating to virtues and values (characterizing routine communication), and it essentially glosses over the entire last half of the book, which focuses on the stated goals concerning the communicational factors underlying mental illness. Further, the characterization of the book as a rambling discourse clearly ignores Chapter 1, which provides a comprehensive overview of the systematic project to follow. LaMuth asserts that the only truly rambling discourse appears to be Jones's own review, which completely misses the point on these and many other issues. (PsycINFO Database Record (c) 2005 APA, all rights reserved).So, basically, Dr. Jones thinks the same as what others here have written: he hasn't said "why he thinks his interpretation of virtues and vices are at the core of all the ills of society", the book is difficult to follow, is a "rambling discourse", full of suppositions, and, finally, is "is not a diagnostic or statistical manual that would be useful in health care delivery systems and has limited utility in a clinical setting."

Mr. LaMuth responds by saying essentially 'No, your article is a rambling discourse, and anyway there's going to be a project to follow'.

Much as it pains me to mention qualifications in a thread like this, I'm doing a doctorate at the moment in clinical psychology, and so I'm usually very interested in new angles and approaches to these topic areas. But reading Mr. LaMuth's summaries, his website, and his possible lies concerning peer-review, in conjunction with a review which pretty much echoed what everyone on this thread seems already to have thought, has convinced me that my limited brain resources would probably be more fruitfully employed elsewhere. At least until the "systematic project" which hopefully will demonstrate why any of this is useful or meaningful is completed.

[Ashles]

Very interesting Nucular. Thanks for the research.

[Mojo]

Originally posted by Nucular "Yes, I have been published in several journals..." I believe was the original claim. Care to explain, Mr. LaMuth? A porkie pie, perhaps?

[clarsct]

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