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DavoMan
21st August 2005, 12:04 AM
http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/0,2106,3384352a11,00.html
A Christian lobby group has sent 500 kits about intelligent design - the idea that a higher being created life - to NZ state schools, sparking debate about whether schools should teach creationism.

The Focus on the Family group says Intelligent Design is a quality teaching resource aimed at encouraging healthy debate. But a critic says the group is trying to introduce the Bible's teachings by stealth into education.

"It is alarming. People are presenting it as another valid theory . . . it is not scientifically based, it is just a theory they formed on their religious beliefs," said NZ Association of Rationalists and Humanists secretary Paul Litterick.

About 500 schools were sent the DVD and workbook resource. Focus on the Family director Wayne Mulqueen said it did not want "to set the world on fire". "We do not want to push the whole creationist debate. We are doing it in a low-key way, putting the stuff out there for use. Schools may choose to bin it . . . we just want to say there is another theory."

In the Sunday Star-Times' Great Morality Debate, three out of four respondents said they would be happy with religious instruction in schools.

Burnside High principal Ron Noordijk said it had received the intelligent design kit. Its science head had not evaluated it so no decision had been made on its usefulness. Pakuranga College principal Bali Haque knew nothing of the kit, and said it would be kept in the library if it had arrived. "It has no place in the classroom."

Science Educators association president Bev Cooper said the intent of science and biology curricula was to present information supported by science. "(Intelligent design) is not science and therefore has no place in the compulsory school curriculum."

Zep
21st August 2005, 03:32 AM
Good coasters for Steinlager.

geni
21st August 2005, 03:49 AM
http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=61348

DavoMan
21st August 2005, 04:07 AM
CHeers

Kimpatsu
23rd August 2005, 08:51 PM
Originally posted by DavoMan
Focus on the Family director Wayne Mulqueen said it did not want "to set the world on fire". "We do not want to push the whole creationist debate. We are doing it in a low-key way, putting the stuff out there for use. Schools may choose to bin it . . . we just want to say there is another theory."
ID is not a theory; it has no supporting evidence.

DavoMan
24th August 2005, 01:28 AM
Ya dont need to tell me this dude.

Kimpatsu
24th August 2005, 02:15 AM
Originally posted by DavoMan
Ya dont need to tell me this dude.
I'm not telling you, I'm telling Wayne Mulqueen.
Perhaps you could pass along the message...?

DavoMan
24th August 2005, 02:28 AM
I will not be able to convince the church by reason. As yet I don't know of a way to combat their ignorance. I only know how to reason with non-corrupted people. They understand reason. I am talking to everyone else except that church.

clarsct
24th August 2005, 02:34 AM
Challenge them to present ID WITHOUT mentioning Evolution.


Every time they allude to Evolution, steer them back and remind them that a scientific theory stands on its own merits.


After that, it should be elementary to knock down their arguments for the illogical cesspool that they are.


Then present Evolution without mentioning ID and watch them try to do the same. (do your homework!)

Or better yet, switch the two. Do evolution first, and ID second.

DavoMan
24th August 2005, 02:39 AM
Thats really interesting. I never thought of it that way. I just might try it. Thanks alot buddy.

clarsct
24th August 2005, 05:52 PM
:D It's the best way I've seen yet. I'll reiterate this:

DO YOUR HOMEWORK

Don't let them trip you up with the second law of thermodynamics or some other trivial crap.

Do Evolution first, then invite them to try the same with ID. Your argument will look stronger. I was tempted to do it the other way, because Evolution doesn't need the help, really. But then I realized the type of emotional appeals this leaves you open to.

Do Evolution first then demolish ID. You'll earm some enemies, which could be a joy in itself, actually, but you'll also get a good point across.

athon
25th August 2005, 07:08 AM
When confronted with such things in my classroom, I always say the same thing;

Are you prepared to admit that those beliefs might be wrong? If so, we can discuss it. If not... it's not science.

Many students with religious convictions are either happy to debate, and learn, or are quickly confronted with the fact that they are not comfortable with the fact that they might have to discount their faith. In which case, we don't touch it.

Athon