I knew the fall of Communism was a good thing...(a thread about homeopathy)

[Tanja]

I may have mentioned before that the charity I work for has two volunteer homeopaths doing some work for us. Yes, I oppose it but cannot do anything about it at the moment.

Anyway, they have a cupboard in which they keep their remedies. But, they have two remedies which they decided to keep apart from the other remedies as they "antidote the other remedies", so they put them in a box and on the top of a filing cabinet.

Anyway, the box dissapeared (wasn't me, honest) and the homeopath was looking for it.

I asked her why they were kept separate in the first place and she answered "these are two powerful remedies that antidote other remedies through their powerful energies so they need to be kept separately". So I ask which ones they are and she said "plutonium and Berlin Wall".

Berlin Wall?
BERLIN WALL?

BERLIN WALL????????????????????????????

[Ashles]

So remedies can now have effects outside the bottle? You don't actually need to take them anymore? Just wave them near the patient?

How do these people get dressed in the morning?


I'm afraid I have no actual words to respond to the 'Berlin Wall' remedy.

[jmercer]

Well - in regards to the increasing public wooiness of homeopathy and these powerful antidotes, I have only this to offer.

All in all, it's just another brick in the wall.

:D

[John Jackson]

Well, Plutonium is obviously the homeopathic cure for radiation sickness. :D

Now, Berlin Wall: what is that the cure for? http://www.guidetokalsel.com//bb/Smileys/smilies_smf/Ponder.gif

[geni]

Originally posted by Tanja


Berlin Wall?
BERLIN WALL?

BERLIN WALL????????????????????????????

http://www.biolumanetics.net/tantalus/Cases/BerlinWall.htm

[Tanja]

Originally posted by geni
http://www.biolumanetics.net/tantalus/Cases/BerlinWall.htm

From the website:
This remedy has never been proved classically but information was gained about it through a particular form of proving called a ‘meditative proving’, carried out by a group of homeopaths who had meditated together over a period of years. Each member of the group would take a particular remedy and then proceed to meditate on its effects over a period of some 3-5 hours.

Scientific as ever...

I am still surprised by the fact that a remedy is made from Berlin Wall. If you tell an average client you are giving him a remedy made of Sulphur, or Plutonium, or Cammomile, or something like that, it can sound vaguely scientific and appropriate. But surely, if you tell the client you are giving him a remedy made of Berlin Wall, it is totally obvious that it is just hocus-pocus magic and not anything grounded in reality?

[fishbait]

This one (http://www.hominf.org/rubber/rubbod.htm) is mind boogling.

"A grain of latex from a non spermicidal condom that had been cleaned of any traces of lubricant was cut into small pieces and triturated in a porcelain pestle and mortar with milk sugar.

My experience of potentising the remedy was much stronger than I have ever experienced in running up a remedy and as it seemes to fit with the symptoms evinced by the proving it is worth recording.

Within 5 minutes of beginning the trituration it was announced that the first air strikes had been made against Afghanistan."

WTF?
These people are seriously whacked.

[Rolfe]

You could do a search for "grafting", to find threads where similar effects were discussed. That particular one involves creating more remedy by adding blank pills to a nearly-empty bottle. Now of course you shouldn't do this unless there's no way you can buy a bottle from an actual homoeopathic pharmacy ("support your homoeopathic pharmacies!"), but on the other hand, it works just fine. Probably. Or they've got just as much evidence that that works as for anything else about homoeopathy....

Rolfe.

[Diamond]

Somebody should have warned me that:

"This thread contains concentrated woo that may be harmful, especially if you fall from your chair laughing"

[Nucular]

Originally posted by Tanja
But surely, if you tell the client you are giving him a remedy made of Berlin Wall, it is totally obvious that it is just hocus-pocus magic and not anything grounded in reality? I'd be surprised if it wasn't given a pseudo-Latin name (maybe Vallum Berlinium, or 'Val Ber'?) for the very purpose of avoiding people going "wait, you've prescribed me some wall???"

I love/hate that in geni's link, they consider it a general treatment for oppression - let's not oppose oppression, let's just try to treat it in the victim instead...

But my very favourite bit from there is that it is prescribed forthose who can't tell fact from fiction within their livesWho could argue that people who will take this remedy don't suffer from that?

[MRC_Hans]

Originally posted by Nucular
*snip*
Who could argue that people who will take this remedy don't suffer from that? But I doubt it will cure them :rolleyes:.

Hans

[LordoftheLeftHand]

The private ownership or storage of plutonium MIGHT require a permit in the UK. Anyone know?

LLH

[Tanja]

Originally posted by Nucular
I'd be surprised if it wasn't given a pseudo-Latin name (maybe Vallum Berlinium, or 'Val Ber'?) for the very purpose of avoiding people going "wait, you've prescribed me some wall???"


I mentioned Berlin Wall to a colleague today (the only sensible one in the office, I think) who found it very funny and said "so the client tells the homeopath: I feel very communist today, could you prescribe me something?"

[Paul C. Anagnostopoulos]

What would happen if we made a homeopathic remedy out of one of the RNGs that the PEAR folks use?

Hey, it's a legitimate question!

~~ Paul

[Nucular]

Originally posted by LordoftheLeftHand
The private ownership or storage of plutonium MIGHT require a permit in the UK. Anyone know?I think the ownership of anything whatsoever in homeopathic quantities is allowed, given that it would constitute only ownership of water.

It would be interesting to know the provenance of such a remedy though - I wonder where the stuff was made? I wonder if that water has ever been in (vastly indirect) contact with plutonium? On purpose, that is.

[Nucular]

Originally posted by Paul C. Anagnostopoulos
What would happen if we made a homeopathic remedy out of one of the RNGs that the PEAR folks use?Well, I performed a meditative proving on this particular remedy just then, and can report the following symptom picture:

It's a good remedy for people who like to think that the use of impressive-sounding equipment is the same as doing science; for people who like to cherry-pick data; and for people who like to sigh condescendingly when challenged, rather than actually answer any questions.

Soooo.... eerily, it might be good for the very people who would sell it to others.

RNG equipment, or Randomus Numericus Bullettinus (or 'Random Bull' for short) is best administered in a 1X solution, rectally ten times daily.

[juryjone]

Originally posted by Paul C. Anagnostopoulos
What would happen if we made a homeopathic remedy out of one of the RNGs that the PEAR folks use?

Hey, it's a legitimate question!

~~ Paul

AAAAH!! Cross-woo!

Next thing you''ll be telling me Bigfoot's an audiophile!

[geni]

Originally posted by LordoftheLeftHand
The private ownership or storage of plutonium MIGHT require a permit in the UK. Anyone know?

LLH

I don't know. Posible not. It was only 5 years ago that it was legal for a private individual to own a nuclear device.

[c4ts]

Originally posted by Tanja
I may have mentioned before that the charity I work for has two volunteer homeopaths doing some work for us. Yes, I oppose it but cannot do anything about it at the moment.

Anyway, they have a cupboard in which they keep their remedies. But, they have two remedies which they decided to keep apart from the other remedies as they "antidote the other remedies", so they put them in a box and on the top of a filing cabinet.

Anyway, the box dissapeared (wasn't me, honest) and the homeopath was looking for it.

I asked her why they were kept separate in the first place and she answered "these are two powerful remedies that antidote other remedies through their powerful energies so they need to be kept separately". So I ask which ones they are and she said "plutonium and Berlin Wall".

Berlin Wall?
BERLIN WALL?

BERLIN WALL????????????????????????????

PLUTONIUM?????????


"THE RADIATION WATER WORKED FINE UNTIL HIS JAW FELL OFF"

[Dr. MAS]

I may have mentioned before that the charity I work for has two volunteer homeopaths doing some work for us. Yes, I oppose it but cannot do anything about it at the moment.

Anyway, they have a cupboard in which they keep their remedies. But, they have two remedies which they decided to keep apart from the other remedies as they "antidote the other remedies", so they put them in a box and on the top of a filing cabinet.

Anyway, the box dissapeared (wasn't me, honest) and the homeopath was looking for it.

I asked her why they were kept separate in the first place and she answered "these are two powerful remedies that antidote other remedies through their powerful energies so they need to be kept separately". So I ask which ones they are and she said "plutonium and Berlin Wall".

Berlin Wall?
BERLIN WALL?

BERLIN WALL????????????????????????????

The concept of using berlin wall was started by non-homeopath to degrade homeopathy. This story is self made.

[PixyMisa]

The concept of using berlin wall was started by non-homeopath to degrade homeopathy.
I don't think that's possible.

[MRC_Hans]

The concept of using berlin wall was started by non-homeopath to degrade homeopathy. This story is self made.I'm glad you denounce this nonsense, but I'm afraid that it is no more self-made than anything else homeopathic. Look:

http://www.biolumanetics.net/tantalus/Cases/BerlinWall.htm

Don't be shy, click on the link, unlike half of yours, this one actually points to something ;).

I'm afraid these people are dead serious.

Hans

[Tanja]

Thanks for bumping this thread, by the way. An update on the situation in my charity: we got a new sensible manager, I had a couple of chats about homeopathy with her, as did some of our trustees, and as the result, we are getting rid of the homeopaths as of the end of this financial year.

Small victory for common sense in the non-profit sector.

[ChristineR]

I'm glad you denounce this nonsense, but I'm afraid that it is no more self-made than anything else homeopathic. Look:

http://www.biolumanetics.net/tantalus/Cases/BerlinWall.htm

Don't be shy, click on the link, unlike half of yours, this one actually points to something ;).

I'm afraid these people are dead serious.

Hans

You all should poke around on that website. They diagnose people by taking digital photos. If the photo is green and blurry, they tell them to stop taking their medications and prescribe "Lumanetic topical cream" and "Potassium Transceiver Pads."

:jaw-dropp

[LordoftheLeftHand]

Thanks for bumping this thread, by the way. An update on the situation in my charity: we got a new sensible manager, I had a couple of chats about homeopathy with her, as did some of our trustees, and as the result, we are getting rid of the homeopaths as of the end of this financial year.

Small victory for common sense in the non-profit sector.

Very nice!

LLH

[Darat]

Thanks for bumping this thread, by the way. An update on the situation in my charity: we got a new sensible manager, I had a couple of chats about homeopathy with her, as did some of our trustees, and as the result, we are getting rid of the homeopaths as of the end of this financial year.

Small victory for common sense in the non-profit sector.

Hey that's good news - you just need a fast internet connection now!

[Psiload]

The concept of using berlin wall was started by non-homeopath to degrade homeopathy. This story is self made.

Here is your culprit:

http://www.new-college.co.uk/pages/whoswho.php?lastname=Wansbrough&PHPSESSID=602f8bdf17bf394adc6a5866f525990f

Charles Wansbrough, Research Director- New College of Homeopathy

He practices at The Centre for Bioliminal Studies & Homeopathy, 133 Disraeli Road, Putney, London.

He's listed on The Directory of UK Therapists:

http://www.therapistsuk.com/therapist_details.asp?id=7124

He's listed on The Alliance of Registered Homeopaths. He's even had an article published in their journal:

http://www.a-r-h.org/Publications/Journal/BackIssues.htm

He's all over Google:

http://www.google.com/search?q=Charles+Wansbrough+homeopathy&hl=en&lr=&start=10&sa=N


A non-homeopath disinformation agent, or an "allopathic" conspiracy patsy? The Lee Harvey Oswald of homeopathy?

I said it before, and I'll say it again...

clowns.

All of you... a pack of clowns.

[Jeff Corey]

What do you have against clowns? Clowns are generally harmless, unless they are featured in a Steven King novel, which most of us recognize as fiction.
Clowns do not kill people by giving them worthless drugs. Clowns do not profit by exploiting the suffering of desperate people.
These swine are not clowns.

[Psiload]

What do you have against clowns? Clowns are generally harmless, unless they are featured in a Steven King novel, which most of us recognize as fiction.
Clowns do not kill people by giving them worthless drugs. Clowns do not profit by exploiting the suffering of desperate people.
These swine are not clowns.

You've got a valid point. From now on I'll refer to the MAS collective as...

Pennywises

http://www.filmhobbit.com/moviereviews/movie-images/news/reporters/pennywise.jpg

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

You've got a valid point. From now on I'll refer to the MAS collective as...

Pennywises




Or
http://www.annotatedmst.com/episodes/eyecreatures/gacy.jpg

[Jeff Corey]

OK, except for the "wise" part.

[Lynx2174]

lol
"take this remedy 3 times a day and that communism of yours will clear up soon sure as rain. yep in 3-5 days you should be living the bourgeois life and buying consumer goods like the rest of us."

personally it doesn't surprise me any that they use wall as an ingredient. it's not like it makes any less logical sense than what they do already.

[Tanja]

Hey that's good news - you just need a fast internet connection now!
We have had one since last summer - I now occasionally read the forum at work as well!