Prophecy Fulfilled

[Richard G]

There is a 10 Nation Federation (http://www.weu.int/Delegations.htm) , (Western European Union), which is giving their power to one man (http://www.jewsformorality.org/javier_solana.htm) .

This same man is confirming a 7 year agreement (http://europa.eu.int/comm/world/enp/partners_en.htm) with Israel (and many other countries), begining on January 1, 2007. This one man will also decide if Israel kept her agreement mid term (http://www.evenmore.co.uk/prophecy/docs/Strategy_Paper_EN.pdf) (page 28).

This man gets his power and authority from two seperate legal decrees.
Document 666 (http://europa.eu.int/abc/doc/off/rg/en/1998/x0666.htm) puts him in charge of European Foreign policy.
Reccomendation 666 (http://www.assemblee-ueo.org/en/documents/sessions_ordinaires/txt/2000/rec666.html) gives him authority over the 10 Nation Federation.

The Bible predicted all of this thousands of years ago. This is the man of sin, the anti-christ.

The Lord gives us prophecy for two reasons. One is to show his sovreignty, and foreknowledge of all things. The other is so we may beleive, and repent.

The antichrist or beast as he will become to be known as, goes by many titles:

OLD TESTAMENT

Adversary (Psalm 74:8-10, Lam 4:11,12), Assyrian (Isaiah 10:5,12), Man of Bloodshed and Deceit (Psalms 5:6), Branch of the Terrible One (Isaiah 14:19), Chief Prince (Ezekiel 38:2), Crooked Serpent (Job 26:13, Isa 27:1), Cruel One (Jeremiah 30:14, 28 & 34), Destroyer of Nations (Jeremiah 4:7), Enemy (Psalm 55:3, Jer 30:14), Worthless Shepherd (Zechariah 11:16), King of Princes (Hosea 8:10), Little Horn (Daniel 7:8-11,21-26), Mighty Man (Psalm 52:1), Prince that Shall Come (Daniel 9:26), Profane and Wicked Prince of Israel (Ezekiel 21:25-27), Proud One (Habakkuk 2:5), Rod of Gods Anger (Isaiah 10:5), Seed of the Serpent (Genesis 3:15), Son of the Dawn (Isaiah 14:12), The Destroyer (Isaiah 16:4-5), Vile and Despicable One (Daniel 11:21), Wicked One (Psalm 9:17, Isa 11:4), Willful King (Daniel 11:36)



NEW TESTAMENT

Man of Lawlessness - Son of Perdition (2 Thessalonians 2:3), One Bringing Signs and Wonders (2 Thessalonians 2:9), One Who Comes in His Own Name (John 5:43), Antichrist - Pseudo Christ (1 John 2:22), The Beast (Revelation 11:7,13), Lawless One (2 Thessalonians 2:8), Beast From the Sea (Revelation 13), One Whose Fatal Wound Will Heal (Revelation 13:3,12), Vine of the Earth (Revelation 14:18) -

If thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. Romans 10:9-10

[Martin]

Originally posted by Richard G
This man gets his power and authority from two seperate legal decrees.
Document 666 (http://europa.eu.int/abc/doc/off/rg/en/1998/x0666.htm) puts him in charge of European Foreign policy.

In December the Vienna European Council expressed the opinion that the Secretary-General of the Council and High Representative for the CFSP should be appointed as soon as possible and be a personality with a strong political profile. It invited the Council to prepare common strategies on Russia, Ukraine, the Mediterranean region and the western Balkans, on the understanding that the first would be on Russia. Welcoming the new impetus given to the debate on a common European policy on security and defence, the European Council also noted that the CFSP should be backed by credible operational capabilities

Doesn't appear to put anyone in charge of anything. It says that an appointment should be made, and that the various heads of state should work together to come up with common ground for foreign policy. More to the point, this 'document 666' doesn't appear to actually carry any weight; rather, it's merely reporting the results of an earlier meeting.

[Ryokan]

Javier Solana is the antichrist? LOL!

Martin, you've spelled Isaac Asimov's name wrong in your sig! Shame on you!

[Richard G]

Well your wrong. It says "Secretary-General of the Council and High Representative for the CFSP should be appointed as soon as possible".

And then, Javier Solana was appointed Secretary General of the Council, AND High Representative for the CFSP (which means Common Foreign Security Policy). If you dont know what the CFSP is, I reccomend you look it up. It controls the entire defence and security policy of the EU, which happens to include the foreign policy.

He has held these two offices ever since. He is also Secretary General of the Western Europen Union. In other words, Comander in Chief of the WEU military alliance. Should hostilities erupt, he would be in charge per Reccomendation 666, just as he was during the war in Bosnia, when he was Secretary General of NATO (http://www.nato.int/cv/secgen/solana.htm) NATO Supreme Commander Wesley Clark reported directly to Solana during that conflict.

[Martin]

Originally posted by Richard G
Well your wrong. It says "Secretary-General of the Council and High Representative for the CFSP should be appointed as soon as possible".

That would be what I said it said. What it doesn't do is give anyone any powers, which is what you said it said. Nowhere does this 'document 666' give Solana anything. It merely says that someone ought to be appointed to the existing positions.

And then, Javier Solana was appointed Secretary General of the Council, AND High Representative for the CFSP (which means Common Foreign Security Policy).

You make it sound as if there's something unusual about the same man holding both positions. The position of High Representative for the CFSP is always held by the Secretary-General of the Council of Ministers. It's part of the job description.

[Richard G]

Office of CFSP didn't exist before Document 666.

[Martin]

Document 666: 1998.
CFSP: Maastricht, 1992.
High Represenative for the CFSP: Amsterdam Treaty, 1997.

In any case, the fact remains that the HR is the SG of the Council, by definition. There's nothing odd about Solana holding both positions.

[Richard G]

Mr Javier Solana was appointed as first HR and took office on 18 October 1999.
http://europa.eu.int/comm/external_relations/cfsp/intro/

He also is Secretary General of WEU, a 10 nation military federation. This is a seperate entity from the EU, but part of the EU. This is the military arm of the EU.

He was given emergency powers over this federation by reccomendation 666.

And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings. (Daniel 7:24)

Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six. (Revelation 13:18)

[jjramsey]

Originally posted by Richard G
He was given emergency powers over this federation by reccomendation 666.

From Recommendation 666:

Support proposals for the WEU Secretary-General and CFSP High Representative to preside over the PSC and civilian crisis-management machinery and give him powers to convene the Council of the European Union in the event of an emergency;

Offhand, as emergency powers go, this is pretty weak. He gets to convene the council, not become a dictator.

[Rob Lister]

Richard, there's a debate going on in the chat room as to whether or not your post on the subject is satire. What say you?

[Oregon_Skeptic]

Richard, you do know the number of the beast is not 666, right? It’s 616. From wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Number_of_the_Beast_(numerology)):

In May 2005 it was reported that scholars at Oxford University using advanced imaging techniques had been able to read previously illegible portions of an early (third century) version of the Book of Revelation, part of its Oxyrhynchus collection of papyri. The fragment gives the Number of the Beast as 616. Scholars now believe the number in question has very little to do with the devil. It was actually a complicated numerical riddle in Greek, meant to represent someone's name. "It's a number puzzle -- the majority opinion seems to be that it refers to [the Roman emperor] Nero."

You can also check it out here (http://www.religionnewsblog.com/11134) and here as well (http://www.atsnn.com/story/138066.html) . Plus a ton more other sites that all carry the same story.

And just in case you didn’t know, the bible is wrong about lots of other things as well, like that whole creation thing or the world flood story, for starters.

[Richard G]

Sorry, I dont buy that from one scholar, and one scrap of manuscript.

Irenaeus in the second century, a century before the manuscript Parker relies on, already knew of the 616 variation and discounted it as an error:


Such, then, being the state of the case, and this number being found in all the most approved and ancient copies [of the Apocalypse], and those men who saw John face to face bearing their testimony [to it]; while reason also leads us to conclude that the number of the name of the beast, [if reckoned] according to the Greek mode of calculation by the [value of] the letters contained in it, will amount to six hundred and sixty and six; that is, the number of tens shall be equal to that of the hundreds, and the number of hundreds equal to that of the units (for that number which [expresses] the digit six being adhered to throughout, indicates the recapitulations of that apostasy, taken in its full extent, which occurred at the beginning, during the intermediate periods, and which shall take place at the end), — I do not know how it is that some have erred following the ordinary mode of speech, and have vitiated the middle number in the name, deducting the amount of fifty from it, so that instead of six decads they will have it that there is but one. [I am inclined to think that this occurred through the fault of the copyists, as is wont to happen, since numbers also are expressed by letters; so that the Greek letter which expresses the number sixty was easily expanded into the letter Iota of the Greeks.] — Adv. haer. 5.30

In this rather obscurely expressed passage, Irenaeus was proposing (even in the second century - a century BEFORE this oldest surviving copy!) that old, Greek copies of Revelation contained an error of copying in which the Greek letter xi with gematraic value 60 was wrongly copied into the Greek letter iota with number value 10.

[Manny]

I dont' know who will be more relieved, President Bush to find out that it's not him or western Europe to find out that they're relevant to anything.

[Rob Lister]

Originally posted by manny
I dont' know who will be more relieved, President Bush to find out that it's not him or western Europe to find out that they're relevant to anything.

I think Bush would be a fine Anti-christ if he only set his mind to it. You should stop misunderestimating him.

Hey, wasn't there a formula proving Reagan was the beast? I seem to recall it. Something to do with his initials or something.

But, honestly, even though I've read him before, I had no idea that Richard G was wooish.

[Palimpsest]

Originally posted by Rob Lister
Hey, wasn't there a formula proving Reagan was the beast? I seem to recall it. Something to do with his initials or something.


Each of his names has 6 letters "Ronald Wilson Reagan." 6, 6, 6. Or, just using his middle initial works too: 6, 1, 6. Other assorted verses from the Book of Revelation seemed to clinch it for some people. I dunno. Too lazy to look it up.

[Darat]

"How I know for a fact that Ronald Reagan is the Anti-Christ?"

http://www.noshame.org/charlottesville/scripts/ristau020215.htm

(Warning - some bad language on that page but really the warning is for the er.. content.)

[BracesForImpact]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v333/BracesForImpact/JavierSolana2.jpg

Huh, he's the antichrist eh?

I kinda thought he'd be bigger...

Isn't he supposed to be incredibly charasmatic and unite the world and what not? No offense, but this guy's charisma couldn't convince Jenny Craig to pick up a twinkie.

[Beleth]

Originally posted by Richard G
And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings. (Daniel 7:24)Okay so let's take that one statement at a time.

"And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise:"
That's the 10 members of the Western EU. Gotcha.

"and another shall rise after them;"
What group of ten 'kings' is this? Has this happened yet?

"and he shall be diverse from the first,"
This to me says that the anti-christ won't be a citizen of the first group of nations. Is this true of Mr. Solana?

"and he shall subdue three kings."
This to me says that he will do something - impeach, revoke the authority of, something - to three heads of state. Has Mr. Solana done this?


So far the only one I'm sure of is that ten nations have come together. The other three - that ten more nations have to come together after the first group of ten nations, that the leader isn't a member of the ten nations, and that the leader has subdued the leaders of three other nations - I'm not sure about. Could you enlighten me, please?

[Darat]

Originally posted by Beleth
Okay so let's take that one statement at a time.

"And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise:"

That's the 10 members of the Western EU. Gotcha.


...snip...


Apart from the fact that there aren't ten "western" EU countries...

[Ryokan]

Originally posted by Beleth

"and he shall be diverse from the first,"
This to me says that the anti-christ won't be a citizen of the first group of nations. Is this true of Mr. Solana?

He's Spanish, so no.


Originally posted by Beleth
"and he shall subdue three kings."
This to me says that he will do something - impeach, revoke the authority of, something - to three heads of state. Has Mr. Solana done this?

Hmm, he was the secretary-general of NATO during the war in Bosnia and Kosovo. So maybe one of them is Slobodan Milosevic?

Edit : Some typos.

[Beleth]

Originally posted by Darat
Apart from the fact that there aren't ten "western" EU countries... The link he provided, http://www.weu.int/Delegations.htm , listed ten member states and a number of states with lesser status than "member". Am I interpreting that incorrectly?

[Richard G]

No, you are correct. There are associate, and observer nations, but only the 10 permanent members have voting power in the WEU Assembly. The official WEU website (http://www.weu.int/) so you can do your own digging.

He (Solana) arose after them (the 10 formed before he came to power). And he is diverse from them, in that he does not have a kingdom of his own. The 10 kingdoms have given him power.

The three he will subdue is yet to happen. But heres my educated guess.

Under all the treaties, and document 666, Salona is suppose to be the one voice of Europe. He has the legal authority to speak expressly for Europe when it comes to foreign policy.

Briatin, France, and Germany (http://today.reuters.co.uk/news/newsArticle.aspx?type=topNews&storyID=2005-08-05T093541Z_01_SPI533409_RTRUKOC_0_NUCLEAR-IRAN.xml) have the largest militaries, so naturaly, have apparently been jockeying for position to hold the lion's share of foreign policy. This is very clear if you've been watching the Iran nuclear talks (http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=story_9-8-2005_pg4_21) Officialy, they are called the EU-3.

Salona is also engaged in these talks, and technicaly, according to current EU law, those three shouldnt be doing that.

Somehow he will subdue them. Another scipture reads

I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things. (Daniel 7:8)

The Bible even says he will arise from the old Roman Empire (Solana is a Spaniard, thats part of the old Roman Empire).

And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; (Daniel 9:26)

The people who destroyed the city and the temple (Jerusalem) in 70 AD were the Romans. The Romans are the people of the prince to come (who is here now).

And whereas thou sawest the feet and toes, part of potters' clay, and part of iron, the kingdom shall be divided; but there shall be in it of the strength of the iron, forasmuch as thou sawest the iron mixed with miry clay. And as the toes of the feet were part of iron, and part of clay, so the kingdom shall be partly strong, and partly broken. And whereas thou sawest iron mixed with miry clay, they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men: but they shall not cleave one to another, even as iron is not mixed with clay. (Daniel 2:41-43)

It's easy to see how Europe is a Revived Roman Empire that is "divided". The very fact there is a WEU of 10 official members and a broader EU of 25 members shows a Europe is still divided. The WEU, under the direction of Javier Solana, was meant to transfer its powers to the EU, but this never happened. It seems instead that the WEU has taken on a new role as being the new military arm of the European Union.
For "partly strong and partly weak", the WEU nations are mainly wealthy and politically strong, while the new members of the EU are generally poor and politically weak and unstable.
And the fact that the nations "will not cleave to one another" has been played out before all our eyes in the Iraq war, the problems of ratifying of the EU Constitution, amid other disagreements, which seem to come up from time to time.

[Kopji]

Take the PBS Antichrist quiz here: PBS (http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/apocalypse/antichrist/quiz.html)

The document fragment is older than the article reported, also, the 616 fragment is not really new.

Irenaeus felt 666 was a "better" translation for a reason, that is that it is less than the perfection represented by 777. So he has a bias going in. Do consider the possibility that 666 won out over 616 due to Irenaeus's 2nd century opinion.

The Dead Sea Scrolls render 'Nero' in a manner previously thought to be rare.

A nice write up in Crosswalk:

Linky (http://bible.crosswalk.com/Dictionaries/BakersEvangelicalDictionary/bed.cgi?number=T462)
The history of interpretation concerning the correlation of a person with the number 666 has only resulted in endless speculations. One of the most prominent candidates has been the first-century Roman emperor Nero. A rare rendering of his name into Neron Caesar, transliterated into Hebrew as nrwn qsr, renders the number 666 (nun/50, resh/200, waw/6, nun/50, qof/100, samech/60, and resh/200 = 666). This rare form of Nero's name was actually found in an Aramaic document from Qumran (cf. John's play on Hebrew words in the Book of Revelation at 9:11 and 16:16). It is also noteworthy that a variant reading in Greek New Testament manuscripts exits that cites the number as "616" rather than "666." The transliteration of the normal Nero Caesar into the Hebrew nrw qsr, renders the number 616. There was also a belief in a revived Nero as the antichrist from the first century (cf. book 5 of the Sibylline Oracles) to the time of Augustine, who cites this idea in The City of God.

Irenaeus, however, wrote within a century of the apostle John and did not mention Nero. He proposed a number of options, including lateinos, meaning a Latin (30 + 1 + 300 + 5 + 10 + 50 + 70 + 200 = 666), and thus a Roman ruler, and teitan, a Roman name with which he was enamored (Contra Haereses 5.29-30). A few modern scholars have noted that the numbers can also argue for a connection with Babylon and Nimrod. The list is expanded with the creative use of numbers during times of modern crises (e.g., Hitler was a major candidate during World War II).

It seems a stretch to get 'Spanish' from latenios, when there are plenty of latin speaking people around today in the Vatican. Why not stick with the usual presumption that this means the Catholic Church? :p

So anyway, if this is what God has to offer as prophecy so we might believe, seems like he could do better...

[Kopji]

I have a question about Irenaeus's testimony though.

If he really had access to people who had met John of Patmos and "they said" the number was 666, why didn't he just ask them what the number meant?

[Richard G]

And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate. (Daniel 9:27)

It is commonly believed the passage above foretells the rise of a strong leader from out of a revived Roman Empire who will make, or confirm, a covenant with the many for seven years. Israel will be included in this covenant. As far as Israel is concerned, he will violate his covenant 3 1/2 years later. In other passages from Daniel, we learn this leader will rise from among a 10-nation alliance (Daniel 7:7-8) and subdue three of the 10 kings (Daniel 7:24).

In June of 2003, Solana delivered his 10-page security doctrine to the EU heads at their summit in Greece. It was titled, A Secure Europe in a Better World. It had three basic parts. One: It called for establishing economic and political stability through the EU's neighborhood. Two: It called for establishing a new international order. Three: It called for increasing the EU's civil and military capabilities to better combat rogue states and weapons of mass destruction.

Unlike the US, who's military is the primary weapon in the war against terror, the EU's primary weapon is economic. The EU's Mediterranean & Middle East Policy (http://europa.eu.int/comm/external_relations/med_mideast/intro/) , or Euro-Med, combined with the new European Neighborhood Policy (http://europa.eu.int/comm/world/enp/partners_en.htm) , or ENP, is the EU's way of exercising its influence. And, its Solana's new security doctrine in action. Aimed entirely at the Mediterranean region, the ENP and Euro-Med is an EU Romed -- an EU revival of the Roman Empire.

Javier Solana negotiated the Euro-Med covenant with the many back in 1995. It was called the Barcelona Process (http://www.euromedrights.net/english/barcelona-process/main.html) .The agreement was between the then 15 EU member states and 12 Mediterranean states -- including Israel and the Palestinian Authority. It is suspected that Solana's skill in negotiating this agreement is what caused then Secretary of State Warren Christopher to suggest Solana as head of NATO to President Clinton.

The Euro-Med agreement, however, failed in achieving its goals. So, the EU's new ENP is Solana's way of reviving and confirming his dying Euro-Med. And, interestingly, starting on January 1, 2007, this confirming action will be for a seven-year period.

The ENP is a huge package of incentives, deals, and bribes, tailored made for each participating country, in what are called “action plans (http://europa.eu.int/comm/world/enp/document_en.htm) �. In return, participating countries revise their laws, foreign policies, and economies to conform to EU interests. A monitoring program is included, so countries failing to live up to their deal can have their “action plans� terminated. This FAQ (http://europa.eu.int/comm/world/enp/faq_en.htm) explains it in detail.

The budget of this huge program begins January 1, 2007, and runs to 2013, lasting seven years. There is a mid-term (http://www.evenmore.co.uk/prophecy/docs/Strategy_Paper_EN.pdf) (page 28) review period, in which Javier Solana himself is involved. 16 nations have signed up, including Israel and the Palestinian Authority. Israel signed up in December 2004. All countries will have their agreements confirmed on January 1st, 2007. Its prime aim is to bring security and political control to Europe's borders as mentioned above.
"The (European) Commission will draw up periodic reports on progress and on areas requiring further efforts, taking into account assessments made by the authorities of the partner country. The Action Plans will be reviewed and may be adapted in the light of progress towards meeting the priorities for action. It is suggested that a "mid-term" report be prepared by the Commission, with the contribution of the High Representative on issues related to political co-operation and the CFSP, within two years of the approval of an action plan and a further report within three years. These reports can serve as a basis for the Council to decide the next step in contractual links with each partner country. These could take the form of European Neighbourhood Agreements whose scope will be defined in the light of progress in meeting the priorities set out in the Action Plans.

And through his policy also he shall cause craft to prosper in his hand; and he shall magnify himself in his heart, and by peace shall destroy many: he shall also stand up against the Prince of princes; but he shall be broken without hand. (Daniel 8:25)

Javier Solana has brokered peace agreements throughout the world. His role as High Representative was initially to be involved in bringing Russia and the Caucasus regions closer to Europe. When NATO wanted to expand eastward to include former Soviet Bloc countries, Russia was naturally irritated. NATO sent Javier Solana, and to everyone's amazement, Solana pulled it off. He talked Russia into allowing NATO's eastward expansion. In fact, Solana received a standing ovation when he returned to NATO headquarters.

He would also be heavily involved in the Middle East. He was a key player in brokering Iran's suspension of its nuclear program, although this deal has since fallen through (remember, those other three are involved too). He is also involved in bringing Turkey closer to the EU. The current peace process in the Middle East is much a result of this man's doing. When asked how he has been so successful, he says the key to his achievement is to “never make enemies, and never ask a question to which you do not know or like the answer to.� Israel’s recent withdraw from Gaza is part of Solana’s . peace process (http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=JPost/JPArticle/Printer&cid=1099371833197&p=1078027574121)

But in his estate shall he honour the God of forces: and a god whom his fathers knew not shall he honour with gold, and silver, and with precious stones, and pleasant things. (Daniel 11:38)

As NATO Secretary General (http://www.nato.int/cv/secgen/solana.htm) , Solana was in charge of the entire war in Bosnia Herzegovina. Wesley Clark, the U.S. General, and Allied Supreme Commander of NATO reported directly to Solana.

Today, he is advocating the implementation of the EU's 2010 (http://www.evenmore.co.uk/prophecy/docs/2010%20Headline%20Goal.pdf) Headline Goal, effectively a military response group that can be deployed in the event of an emergency
The ability for the EU to deploy force packages at high readiness as a response to a crisis either as a stand-alone force or as part of a larger operation enabling follow-on phases is a key element of the 2010 Headline Goal. These minimum force packages must be military effective, credible and coherent and should be broadly based on the Battlegroups (http://ue.eu.int/uedocs/cmsUpload/Battlegroups.pdf) concept. This constitutes a specific form of rapid response, and includes a combined arms battalion sized force package with Combat Support and Combat Service Support. Rapid reaction calls for rapid decision making and planning as well as rapid deployment of forces. On decision-making, the ambition of the EU is to be able to take the decision to launch an operation within 5 days of the approval of the Crisis Management Concept by the Council. On the deployment of forces, the ambition is that the forces start implementing their mission on the ground, no later than 10 days after the EU decision to launch the operation. Relevant air and naval capabilities would be included. The need for reserve forces should be taken into account

The timing for the formation of this Rapid Response Force is also significant. This initiative will be being completed just as the European Neighbourhood Policy will be reaching its mid-term review. Europe will therefore have a force capable of being deployed anywhere in world within 5-10 days, should any particular country decide to step out of line. This is especially significant if the European Neighbourhood Policy does end up being the fulfillment of Daniel 9:27. Because we know that the Antichrist does deploy a force in the Middle East, in response to a crisis there.

He [antichrist] shall enter also into the glorious land, and many countries shall be overthrown: but these shall escape out of his hand, even Edom, and Moab, and the chief of the children of Ammon. He shall stretch forth his hand also upon the countries: and the land of Egypt shall not escape. But he shall have power over the treasures of gold and of silver, and over all the precious things of Egypt: and the Libyans and the Ethiopians shall be at his steps.

He will be of a kingdom that will engulf the whole world:

Thus he said, the fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces. (Daniel 7:23)

Javier Solana is Secretary General of the 10 nation WEU (with 18 associate nations (http://www.weu.int/Delegations.htm) ), the EU's tentacles continue to spread throughout the world. There are now 25 nations (http://europa.eu.int/abc/governments/index_en.htm) involved in the EU with currently 4 awaiting application for membership, and the European Neighbourhood Policy will directly influence the politics of another 16 nations (http://europa.eu.int/comm/world/enp/partners_en.htm) outside Europe. Soviet satellites states have been brought closer to Europe, as was seen in the recent elections in the Ukraine, in which a pro-European President, Victor Yuschenko was elected after a political dispute with a Kremlin backed leader.

This is the last great kingdom of man before Gods wrath is poured out on the nations, and the return of Jesus Christ, in power and glory.

Today is the day of salvation. Repent, and believe.

[Richard G]

Concerning 666...,

The Bible says it is a number. I'm not going to try to puzzle a name out of a number. I will do what the Bible says, and reckon the number with the man.

All these signs point to one man. The odds of all the things happening together at once is just to much for anyone to dismiss.

Concerning Irenaeus, I dont know that either. I would have asked many things of John myself. But the full Revelation as he saw it is in our hands, save that which the Lord told him to seal up. (voice of the 7 thunders).

[uruk]

Well I guess we'll just see what happens. There's nothing that can be done to stop whatevers going to happen anyhow. Otherwise the bible would be wrong about the outcome. And we all know it all part of god's big plan so can't be any a' changin' it.

I believe he is supposed to miraculously survive a sever head wound so keep glued to the news channels.

I'm all tingley with anticipation.

[SezMe]

Originally posted by Richard G
All these signs point to one man. The odds of all the things happening together at once is just to much for anyone to dismiss.
Oh, yeah? Watch this: DISMISS

Seriously, you must have computed the odds in order to make your assertion. Want to share that calculation with us?

[jjramsey]

Originally posted by Richard G
The odds of all the things happening together at once is just to much for anyone to dismiss.

Not necessarily. It has been about 2,000 years since the book of Revelation was written. That is a lot of time for the numbers 10 and 666 to come up, and if you keep searching for patterns involving those numbers, you can be expected to find them sooner or later.

I'm not impressed by the supposed parallels between the book of Daniel and Solana's political activities, either. It looks like you reviewed Solana's political career, and tried to find things that vaguely looked like the prophecies in Daniel. Daniel 9:27 speaks of causing "the sacrifice and the oblation to cease," that is the end of certain ritual worship activities. There is nothing about that in Solana's work on the Euro-Med or ENP. Your parallel to Daniel 8:25 is Solana's work in peace agreements, but has nothing about causing "craft to prosper in his hand" or "magnify[ing] himself in his heart." I should also add that verse 8:25 is taken out of a context involving Greece and the Medo-Persian kingdom. Solana is involved in various military activities, so you cherry-pick out of Daniel the verse 11:38, which is more or less about a military buildup. (As if it is all that unusual for politicians to be involved with military affairs!). The fit between prophecy in Daniel and present-day facts just isn't very strong.

[Richard G]

Daniel 9:27 speaks of causing "the sacrifice and the oblation to cease," that is the end of certain ritual worship activities. There is nothing about that in Solana's work on the Euro-Med or ENP.

This has not happened yet. If you read the rest of your Bible, this happens 3 1/2 years into the agreemtent. The Jews will rebuild their temple in Jerusalem, and he will defile it, setting himself in it to be worshiped as God.

The gathering together of the Jews as a nation after 2000 years in exile is also another Fulfilled prophecy of these last days, but thats another lesson.

Your parallel to Daniel 8:25 is Solana's work in peace agreements, but has nothing about causing "craft to prosper in his hand" or "magnify[ing] himself in his heart."

I cannot speak for what is in the mans heart, only God can. But if you say he has not propspered in his chosen craft of diplomacy, and politics, your not being intelectualy honest. Hes the most powerful man in Europe.

I should also add that verse 8:25 is taken out of a context involving Greece and the Medo-Persian kingdom.

The prophecy actually begins in Daniel 8:1. Verse 8 is the division of Alexanders Kindgom into the 4 Helenistic States. Verse 9 says one comes from out of one of those state (albeit very later on). The Antigonid empire centered in Greece was absorbed by the Roman Empire.

Therefore the he goat waxed very great: and when he was strong, the great horn was broken; and for it came up four notable ones toward the four winds of heaven. Dan 8:9 And out of one of them came forth a little horn, which waxed exceeding great, toward the south, and toward the east, and toward the pleasant land. And it waxed great, even to the host of heaven; and it cast down some of the host and of the stars to the ground, and stamped upon them.
Yea, he magnified himself even to the prince of the host, and by him the daily sacrifice was taken away, and the place of his sanctuary was cast down.
And an host was given him against the daily sacrifice by reason of transgression, and it cast down the truth to the ground; and it practised, and prospered.
Then I heard one saint speaking, and another saint said unto that certain saint which spake, How long shall be the vision concerning the daily sacrifice, and the transgression of desolation, to give both the sanctuary and the host to be trodden under foot?
And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed.
(Daniel 8:8-14)


This mirrors exactly what we read begining at verse 21, it repeats the same thing.

And the rough goat is the king of Grecia: and the great horn that is between his eyes is the first king. Now that being broken, whereas four stood up for it, four kingdoms shall stand up out of the nation, but not in his power.
And in the latter time of their kingdom, when the transgressors are come to the full (this is MUCH later), a king of fierce countenance, and understanding dark sentences, shall stand up.
And his power shall be mighty, but not by his own power: and he shall destroy wonderfully, and shall prosper, and practise, and shall destroy the mighty and the holy people.
And through his policy also he shall cause craft to prosper in his hand; and he shall magnify himself in his heart, and by peace shall destroy many: he shall also stand up against the Prince of princes; but he shall be broken without hand.

[Johnny Pneumatic]

If God actually made Bible prophecy useful, perhaps he'd have the name of the anti-christ written in the Bible? God's all knowing correct? Surely this would allow him to inspire John the Retard to write Javier Solana as being the anti-christ. Another thing, wouldn't a year that the events will happen be useful as well? Surely God would know the year.... Bible "prophecy" is so vague, and also lacking a time limit, so can be applied to almost anything.

[Richard G]

Well I guess we'll just see what happens. There's nothing that can be done to stop whatevers going to happen anyhow. Otherwise the bible would be wrong about the outcome. And we all know it all part of god's big plan so can't be any a' changin' it.

You absolutely right. Gods big plan is for us to repent, and believe in his son Jesus, who died so we may live.

These things are only the beginning. Terrible things are about to happen.

and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book. (Daniel 12:11)

Those who accept Jesus as their Lord will not have to endure these things. We are Gods children, and he loves us.

And to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, even Jesus, which delivered us from the wrath to come. (1 Thessalonians 1:10)

For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ, (1 Thessalonians 5:9)

That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
(Romans 10:9-10)

We will have life everlasting with the Creator of the Universe, Jesus Christ.

Dont wait until its too late. Today is the day of salvation. He is faithful and true to his word, and those who love him.

[jjramsey]

Originally posted by jjramsey
Daniel 9:27 speaks of causing "the sacrifice and the oblation to cease," that is the end of certain ritual worship activities. There is nothing about that in Solana's work on the Euro-Med or ENP.

Originally posted by Richard G
This has not happened yet. If you read the rest of your Bible, this happens 3 1/2 years into the agreemtent. The Jews will rebuild their temple in Jerusalem, and he will defile it, setting himself in it to be worshiped as God.

I'll believe it when I see it. Somehow it hardly seems plausible that the Temple will be rebuilt soon, let alone have anyone worshipping Solara in it.

Come to think of it, the defiling of the Temple and having someone other than God being worshipped in it looks awfully familiar. Antiochus Epiphanes and Hanukkah come to mind.

Originally posted by Richard G
But if you say he has not propspered in his chosen craft of diplomacy, and politics, your not being intelectualy honest.

"Craft" in Daniel 8:25 means "deceit" or "fraud," not one's choice of occupation. Jokes about the honesty of politicians aside, "craft" is not the same as "diplomacy and politics."

[Richard G]

Look here for the rebuilding of the temple. All the trappings, and furnishings are complete. The temple is being pre-fabbed off site. Everything is ready, they just need the political ok.
http://www.templeinstitute.org/
http://www.templemountfaithful.org/

Antiochus Epiphanes was a foreshadowing of the antichrist. He desecrated the temple with a swine on the alter, an unclean animal to the Jews. The antichrist will desecrate the temple with an image of himself.

[SezMe]

Is Richard G the same as 1" after getting his GED?

[uruk]

You absolutely right. Gods big plan is for us to repent, and believe in his son Jesus, who died so we may live.
So when can we say this theory is bust? If Solana dies or resigns from his office and nothing happens?

[Beleth]

Originally posted by Richard G
The three he will subdue is yet to happen.So given a yes-or-no answer to the question "Has Dan 7:24 been fulfilled as of August 28, 2005?", your answer would be "no," I take it?

But heres my educated guess.

Under all the treaties, and document 666, Salona is suppose to be the one voice of Europe. He has the legal authority to speak expressly for Europe when it comes to foreign policy.So he already has that power.
Briatin, France, and Germany (http://today.reuters.co.uk/news/newsArticle.aspx?type=topNews&storyID=2005-08-05T093541Z_01_SPI533409_RTRUKOC_0_NUCLEAR-IRAN.xml) have the largest militaries, so naturaly, have apparently been jockeying for position to hold the lion's share of foreign policy. This is very clear if you've been watching the Iran nuclear talks (http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=story_9-8-2005_pg4_21) Officialy, they are called the EU-3.

Salona is also engaged in these talks, and technicaly, according to current EU law, those three shouldnt be doing that.

Somehow he will subdue them.So technically, according to current EU law, they were subdued by law already. He's not subduing them; at best, he will be reminding them that they are already subdued.

[Dubium]

Apparently there's a verse in Daniel stating the Antichrist will be single - Javier Solana is married. Whatever.

[Ceritus]

Every generation believes the world is going to end I think.

[Robin]

Originally posted by uruk
So when can we say this theory is bust? If Solana dies or resigns from his office and nothing happens?
More importantly if his period of office comes and goes and nothing happens will Richard G, who is convinced that this is the real anti christ rethink his beliefs?

Or will he just sit and wait for the next anti christ (there should be another along in a couple of years).

[Dubium]

Johnny Rotten declared in 1977 that he was the Antichrist. Or AN Antichrist. I wonder whether Javier Solana knows what people like Richard G think of him. I'd be pretty annoyed if it was me.

[Ian Osborne]

But what's the antichrist's position on gun control? :D

[Robin]

Originally posted by Dubium
Apparently there's a verse in Daniel stating the Antichrist will be single - Javier Solana is married. Whatever.
But of course Prince Charles is single - in the eyes of the Church. His coat of arms includes a dragon and apparently his name calculates to 666 in English and Hebrew according to numerological standards.

So clearly Prince Charles is ahead of this Solana in the antichrist stakes.

[Dubium]

The Future Head of the Church of England is the antichrist? So God DOES have a sense of humour!!

[FrankP]

Originally posted by Richard G
This has not happened yet. If you read the rest of your Bible, this happens 3 1/2 years into the agreemtent. The Jews will rebuild their temple in Jerusalem, and he will defile it, setting himself in it to be worshiped as God.


You can make prophecy say anything if you can always say "this bit hasn't happened yet". You need to demonstrate some prediction. Which means saying something before the event and seeing whether it happens.

Your theory seems adequately testable. You predict, if I read you right, a pivotal event 3 1/2 years from the start of an agreement which starts in 2007. So if by the end of 2010, the Jerusalem Temple has been rebuilt and Solana the Antichrist has exercised his power to have himself worshipped there, you will be vindicated.

I have some predictions of my own:

(1) The above event will not happen
(2) You will not abandon your belief in prophecy
(3) You will discover other events which after they happen can be seen to fit the obscure prophecies of Daniel, John and all the rest even better than your rather excellent Solana theory
(4) You will make new, different predictions about the future based on these new interpretations
(5) These predictions too will fail to happen

Eventually, maybe you will get bored of the game and join the real world. But I'm not betting on this last one.

[Robin]

Originally posted by Dubium
The Future Head of the Church of England is the antichrist? So God DOES have a sense of humour!!
Naturally and of course he really will be a King.

And the prophecy says one of ten kings - guess how many kings there are in the world?

Sixteen - oh well the other stuff is good.

[Ian Osborne]

Originally posted by Robin
But of course Prince Charles is single

Not so - he married Camilla (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4428161.stm) ina April.

[Robin]

Originally posted by Ian Osborne
Not so - he married Camilla (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4428161.stm) ina April.
Ah you missed out the end of my sentence - Prince Charles is single - in the eyes of the Church.

He cannot remarry in the High Anglican Church and strict Christianity does not recognise divorce.

[Ian Osborne]

Originally posted by Robin
Ah you missed out the end of my sentence - Prince Charles is single - in the eyes of the Church.

He cannot remarry in the High Anglican Church and strict Christianity does not recognise divorce.

In that case, surely the Church would consider him married to Diana until the day she died, and after that, a widower? AFAIK, the High Anglican Church has no problem with someone remarrying after the death of a spouse... :D

[FrankP]

Yes, he is free to remarry. But not to Camilla, because she is divorced and her former husband is still alive. In the eyes of the Church of England (there is no "High Anglican Church") she is still married, but Charles is single.

In which case, he could try marrying somebody else as well! Now that would really cause a constitutional crisis.

[Zep]

Y'know, Richard G is starting to sound more and more like this guy (http://www.timecube.com/), the way he goeso n.

[Ian Osborne]

Originally posted by FrankP
Yes, he is free to remarry. But not to Camilla, because she is divorced and her former husband is still alive. In the eyes of the Church of England (there is no "High Anglican Church") she is still married, but Charles is single.

Ah, fair point - I hadn't thought of that.

For the record, though, High Anglican Church is a descriptive term, not a separate organisation - perhaps the capitals were inappropriate.

[Seismosaurus]

Originally posted by Richard G
You absolutely right. Gods big plan is for us to repent, and believe in his son Jesus, who died so we may live.

If I may ask, what exactly am I supposed to repent?

[FrankP]

Originally posted by Ian Osborne
For the record, though, High Anglican Church is a descriptive term, not a separate organisation - perhaps the capitals were inappropriate.

Agreed. I thought after I wrote it that I was being too sweeping. The C of E is a varied denomination (a "broad church") including some who like church ornaments and lots of incense (High Church or Anglo-Catholic) and some who like it plain and simple, reformed style (Low Church).

The Royals and the Establishment as a whole tend to go High, perhaps because it fits in with their tendency to enjoy fancy dress and elaborate pageantry. It seems more fitting. Also draws attention away from the question of who these people are and why we should pay them any attention.

[Zep]

Originally posted by Seismosaurus
If I may ask, what exactly am I supposed to repent? Whatever it was you pented in the first place.

[Dubium]

Doesn't it say somewhere in the bible we're married in the eyes of god to the first person we have sex with? There must be a lot of adulterers out there then! But I digress. Back to the topic at hand.

Charles the antichrist. Does that make Camilla the Whore of Babylon?

[jjramsey]

Originally posted by Dubium
Doesn't it say somewhere in the bible we're married in the eyes of god to the first person we have sex with?

No.

[Jontg]

I just have one question: where do the cannibal ninjas come in?