Kathy this is why I don't fear eternal damnation.

[slingblade]

I will need evidence of the tastiness of the sauce.

BTW, I am more than slightly jealous that you managed to snap up this sig. quote before I did! :mad:

"Also those animals on board [Noah's ark] were babies so they would all fit." --Kurious_Kathy



Have a meatball. I promise you'll feel better. ;)

(ETA: can you imagine? All those maggots and larvae to keep from stepping on, or keeping the baby birds away from their rightful lunch? And where in Ed's name do you store that much elephant's milk?????)

[Paulhoff]

You can not find good pizza sauce today, I don’t know when it changed, but the sauce today sucks compared to my childhood. I don’t smoke and never did, and have been complaining about this for decades.

Paul

:) :) :)

[slingblade]

You can not find good pizza sauce today, I don’t know when it changed, but the sauce today sucks compared to my childhood. I don’t smoke and never did, and have been complaining about this for decades.

Paul

:) :) :)

Some helpful tips:

Make your own.
Use fresh tomatoes as well as the canned stuff.
Let it simmer slowly all day, then refrigerate it all night. Reheat and serve the next day.
Add a pinch of sugar. (that's key.)

[Paulhoff]

Sorry but that is not the problem, they are not using a spice, I do not know what it is, but if I ever walk into a pizza house that has it, I will know in a instant.

Paul

:) :) :)

[Paulhoff]

Besides, people over cook the sauce all the time.

Paul

:) :) :)

[kmortis]

Besides, people over cook the sauce all the time.

Paul

:) :) :)
Well, then there's only one solution.

1) Get on a plane to Chicago
2) Go to Jake's East
3) Order, well, anything

They don't cook the sauce.

[Paulhoff]

Over cooked, meaning hours, not for pizza.:D

Paul

:) :) :)

[slingblade]

Ah well. I prefer my pizza without sauce, so there.
;)

[Ceritus]

Lol wow, this thread got so derailed! I am on page 9 you guys are hilarious :)

[Freethinker]

You can not find good pizza sauce today, I don’t know when it changed, but the sauce today sucks compared to my childhood. I don’t smoke and never did, and have been complaining about this for decades.

Paul

:) :) :)

Sounds like a crisis of faith to me:) Annointing the blessed sauce with the holy olive oil will do wonders for the flavor.

Also, using vine-ripened then sun-dried tomatoes instead of the mass produced, picked-green variety helps. It seems that most people don't add the olive oil anymore. That doesn't affect the smell, but it does change the way the flavor works on your tongue. Spices are pretty basic: Sweet basil, oregano, garlic, salt and black pepper.

[Paulhoff]

I think that I am seeing a pattern here. You guys are younger, and or also do not live in a big northeastern city like New York or where I came from Philadelphia, which had a big Italian population. You guys never had a tomato pie did you or a hoagie (a Poor Boy sandwich does not in anyway count, because Boy at is a Poor sandwich)? :D

Paul

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[Roadtoad]

Sadly, you are all missing it.

The true answer is found in TACOISM. There is no substitute.

I mean, limp noodles and a couple of overcooked balls of ground meat? With watery tomato sauce? Next thing you know, you'd be suggesting Dan Quayle would make a good president!

No, one requires the firmness, yet subtlety, of a white corn shell, shredded beef, lettuce, tomatoes that have been cut into chunks, not pureed into an unrecognizable goo, a proper salsa, guacamole if you've a mind, sour cream for the Ascended Masters, and, of course, hot sauce. (Those who are True Followers need only know that it should be HOT. Malcontents and heretics will use ketchup.)

Flying spaghetti monster! Sheesh! And I use only PINK unicorn meat for my more adventurous tacos!

[Paulhoff]

The true taco is part of the female anatomy, now there is some meat.
I will not talk about the sour cream deliver system. :D

Paul

:) :) :)

[Dragonrock]

The Taco is present in all foods, finding it is the key. A Taco is meat, cheese, tomatoes and other vegetables with a tomato based sauce all wrapped in a grain based tortilla. A pizza has meat, cheese, vegetables, and a tomato based sauce all on a grain based crust. To see the Taco in a pizza one simply folds a slice of pizza in half and the inner Taco is revealed. A cheeseburger has similar properties. As do spring rolls.

One should see the Taco in all foods, only this is the path to true enlightenment.

ETA: Toad, anyone who puts catsup on a Taco deserves nothing less than slow death by drowning in Dave's Insanity Sauce.

[Roadtoad]

The Taco is present in all foods, finding it is the key. A Taco is meat, cheese, tomatoes and other vegetables with a tomato based sauce all wrapped in a grain based tortilla. A pizza has meat, cheese, vegetables, and a tomato based sauce all on a grain based crust. To see the Taco in a pizza one simply folds a slice of pizza in half and the inner Taco is revealed. A cheeseburger has similar properties. As do spring rolls.

One should see the Taco in all foods, only this is the path to true enlightenment.

ETA: Toad, anyone who puts catsup on a Taco deserves nothing less than slow death by drowning in Dave's Insanity Sauce.

No way. That's too damn good fer 'em.

[Tricky]

The Taco is present in all foods, finding it is the key. A Taco is meat, cheese, tomatoes and other vegetables with a tomato based sauce all wrapped in a grain based tortilla. A pizza has meat, cheese, vegetables, and a tomato based sauce all on a grain based crust. To see the Taco in a pizza one simply folds a slice of pizza in half and the inner Taco is revealed. A cheeseburger has similar properties. As do spring rolls.
The ingredients are not enough. The proper ritual must also be observed. To correctly worship the taco with your mouth, you must incline your head at a 90 degree angle, thus aligning the opening of your mouth (or "tacohole", as it is called) with the vertical taco, thus insuring goodness and eliminating lost ingredients, which must either be saved again by restoring them to the holy shell, or be lost to purgataco.

This prayer of the sidways bowing of the head is practiced by Tacanglicans.

[Paulhoff]

I always thought that diner and wine came before the taco.

Paul

:) :) :)

[Dragonrock]

No, The only accompaniment to a Taco is a good medium-dark beer. A bock is prefered. Although Carona can be used in a pinch although it's not really beer.

[Marquis de Carabas]

Even when spelt correctly, it's not really beer.

[Paulhoff]

So, Bud is beer, there are no absolutes to beer, food, music, unless you are christian or some other religious group.

Paul

:) :) :)

[Dragonrock]

The one absolute in food is that the Taco is all.

[Paulhoff]

Yep, I knew it, you’re religious.

Paul

:) :) :)

[Dragonrock]

Yeah?

I'm a Tacoist. I never claimed to be otherwise.

[c4ts]

Behold. I spread the word of Taco to the internet.

http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/24324589/

[kurious_kathy]

What you did was a personal leap of faith. If it worked for you great:). That is a decision that one has to make on their own. You know the whole free will thing.
You are absolutely right. In my case it's something I describe like this, " I came to the end of myself, everything I was trying to go for in life was making me very unhappy and it seems as if it was Gods perfect plan for me so I would turn to Him.

Scripture says if we seek to lose our life then we will gain it. This is what I have experienced. Getting to the end of myself and being able to surrender my free will. Living a life based on the principles of faith isn't always easy because it forces us to believe in something promised but not allways seen. But at least now what I have is a peace I have never known before. "The peace that surpasses all understanding!"

I still have many questions about things, but I know there is a bigger purpose and someone bigger and better in charge of my life now! I quess what I'm saying God has given me a new life and I am greatful!

[AnotherSillyAlias]

, but I know there is a bigger purpose and someone bigger and better in charge of my life now!

This is really what it's all about, despite all the other nonsense. You won't, or can't, accept responsibility for your own life and actions so you need big daddy to take care of things and tell you what to do. Your entire problem is that you can't control things and need somebody else to do it for you.

[Paulhoff]

I keep seeing those children in Philadelphia’s Children’s Hospital, dying of cancer, The Big Plan, SUUUUCCCCKKKKSSSSS.

Paul

:) :) :)

[kurious_kathy]

Well I just heard one of the women at my womens bible study class today say the opposite about her experience with her mom after she got sick and was in the hospital with cancer. She said one week before her mom died she accepted Christ as her savior. She felt her mom would never had accepted Christ if it wasn't for this event. So see God can use sickness to open people up to the hope of heaven.
Don't get me wrong I hate seeing people die and suffer from disease and sickness just as much as everyone else does. I wish this life wasn't full of pain and suffering to. But I do see a side to it that some of you don't here on JREF. There are times that God does choose to heal people from cancer and other diseases. He doesn't always choose to do that, but sometimes I still hear and see others that have had miracles of healing in there lives. I could do some research and put some of the info together for you if you are interested in hearing some of those peoples stories.

[ImaginalDisc]

Well I just heard one of the women at my womens bible study class today say the opposite about her experience with her mom after she got sick and was in the hospital with cancer. She said one week before her mom died she accepted Christ as her savior. She felt her mom would never had accepted Christ if it wasn't for this event. So see God can use sickness to open people up to the hope of heaven.
Don't get me wrong I hate seeing people die and suffer from disease and sickness just as much as everyone else does. I wish this life wasn't full of pain and suffering to. But I do see a side to it that some of you don't here on JREF. There are times that God does choose to heal people from cancer and other diseases. He doesn't always choose to do that, but sometimes I still hear and see others that have had miracles of healing in there lives. I could do some research and put some of the info together for you if you are interested in hearing some of those peoples stories.

Emphasis added.

Oh, so your loving, all powerful god choses to inflict people with painful, debilitating and horrible diseases as a sales technique? This merciful god torments people who don't accept him, to coerce them, and torements people who do accept him, as a test? If so, your god is a petulant child.

[Paulhoff]

Isn't funny how people know more about god, then they know about themselves. Your god let them get cancer to begin with, he made it, you people always say that he makes everything, he made cancer too. I wonder who judges him, he gets a F for failure.

Paul

:) :) :)

[Paulhoff]

I can see it now, your boss comes by and sees that your not doing your job. He asks why you are not working, and you tell him, "Well I would, but it wasn’t in god’s plan for me today". So, as he fires you, he says, "God is now looking for your new job".

What a cobout your god has, and you give it to him.

Paul

:) :) :)

[Ducky]

Well I just heard one of the women at my womens bible study class today say the opposite about her experience with her mom after she got sick and was in the hospital with cancer. She said one week before her mom died she accepted Christ as her savior. She felt her mom would never had accepted Christ if it wasn't for this event. So see God can use sickness to open people up to the hope of heaven.
Don't get me wrong I hate seeing people die and suffer from disease and sickness just as much as everyone else does. I wish this life wasn't full of pain and suffering to. But I do see a side to it that some of you don't here on JREF. There are times that God does choose to heal people from cancer and other diseases. He doesn't always choose to do that, but sometimes I still hear and see others that have had miracles of healing in there lives. I could do some research and put some of the info together for you if you are interested in hearing some of those peoples stories.


once again kathy tells us we deserve our cancer.

Kathy:

You are quite simply wrong. you cannot in any way tell me that I got cancer because some invisible god in the sky decided it was a fitting punishment for some sin you think I committed. Here's why. When I go for my oncologist appointments I see kids of all ages with little bald heads playing and waiting for their appointment. Please tell me why a young child deserves to get cancer. please explain how a 2 year old boy gets leukemia and dies because of a plan of God, and not have that be a sadistic and hateful God.

You ahve no idea how offensive you are to cancer patients and I am pretty sure you haven't thought about how vindictive your statements are at heart. You are telling people they deserve their disease. You are telling people they are the reason they are sick. You are blaming the cancer patient for their cancer.

You are telling me that I did something to deserve cancer. This is mean, and this is offensive.

To be honest, you have been so offensive on this point repeatedly that there is nothing you can say that would shock me.

Run away little troll.

[Roadtoad]

So, Kathy, the reason I'm going to attend a funeral at 10:00 on Saturday is because Jesus loves us? And he loves us SOOOO much, he put a two year old through weeks of abject misery, let our hopes rise, then crushed everyone by finally taking the life of that child, saying, "Oopsie! I guess you need to follow me, or baaaaaad things happen!"

You are one sick individual.

[Spidey13]

So...back to tacos, then?

[bluess]

Folks, I don't think KK hears or is willing to hear the contradiction between her various beliefs. It would be a lot easier if she would acknowledge that she worships the jealous god who smites as he desires, and that she's very lucky that he randomly gave her grace.

Not that I find her any more palatable for this realization.

[Jas]

So, Bud is beer, there are no absolutes to beer, food, music, unless you are christian or some other religious group.

Bud is not beer.
She said one week before her mom died she accepted Christ as her savior. She felt her mom would never had accepted Christ if it wasn't for this event. So see God can use sickness to open people up to the hope of heaven.

Why not just arrange the clouds to say "I am GOD and will squish you like a bug (or cast you into a lake of fire, your choice), if you don't listen"? I think that would bring a lot of people to God.

There are times that God does choose to heal people from cancer and other diseases. He doesn't always choose to do that, but sometimes I still hear and see others that have had miracles of healing in there lives.

Er, so what did these people do to have God heal them, as opposed to people that God didn't heal?

In which case, what's the point of an old guy getting prostate cancer? Is that a sign from God as well?

[OdwinOddball]

Well I just heard one of the women at my womens bible study class today say the opposite about her experience with her mom after she got sick and was in the hospital with cancer. She said one week before her mom died she accepted Christ as her savior. She felt her mom would never had accepted Christ if it wasn't for this event. So see God can use sickness to open people up to the hope of heaven.
Don't get me wrong I hate seeing people die and suffer from disease and sickness just as much as everyone else does. I wish this life wasn't full of pain and suffering to. But I do see a side to it that some of you don't here on JREF. There are times that God does choose to heal people from cancer and other diseases. He doesn't always choose to do that, but sometimes I still hear and see others that have had miracles of healing in there lives. I could do some research and put some of the info together for you if you are interested in hearing some of those peoples stories.


Now why does he chose to use somehting as wretched and painful as a terminal disease to convert his special chosen children?

Why do we never hear the conversion tales of perfectly happy people ling perfectly happy lives who just one day woke up and said, "Wow! I'm going to follow Jesus form now on!".

Instead we always get the tales of those down on their luck or dyign who convert. Or undeucated folks in the more primitive parts of the world who get "blessed" by having missionaries show up and shove a bible down their throat.

Your god is one sick & twisted guy.

[AnotherSillyAlias]

You are one sick individual.

Sums it up pretty nicely I think.

Makes you wonder what goes wrong in the heads of people such that they think inflicting horribles diseases and death on children is a wonderful message of love and kindness. Sick people indeed!

[Dragonrock]

Kathy,

My wife is a hospice nurse. She had a patient who did not believe in the christian god. I don't know if he believed in something else, but he was not a born-again christian. His 2 daughters and one son were taking turns spending the day with him and taking care of him as his wife was unable to do it. One daughter always had a rough day. She said he would be asleep when she first arrived then he would wake up and toss and turn, moaning for hours in obvious pain. She would spend hours giving him the maximum doses of pain medicine until he settled down. Then he would be comfortable for the rest of her day and also the brother's day. But when she came back he would be in pain again. My wife spent two weeks trying to determine what the problem was but all three care givers claimed to be following the medication instructions. Finally the man's wife called the hospice agency my wife works for and said that she needed to speak to my wife urgently. It turned out that the other daughter, not the one who was having bad days, was not giving the pain medication because it made the patient too drowsy and he couldn't listen to her testify about Jesus. Then, before the other daughter arrived she would give him benadryl so that he would fall asleep. This "christian" woman chose to leave him in pain, in effect torturing him because he wasn't a christian. Is this what a loving person does? Is this what a loving god does?

I'm sorry, I don't believe in your god.

[kurious_kathy]

Kathy,

My wife is a hospice nurse. She had a patient who did not believe in the christian god. I don't know if he believed in something else, but he was not a born-again christian. His 2 daughters and one son were taking turns spending the day with him and taking care of him as his wife was unable to do it. One daughter always had a rough day. She said he would be asleep when she first arrived then he would wake up and toss and turn, moaning for hours in obvious pain. She would spend hours giving him the maximum doses of pain medicine until he settled down. Then he would be comfortable for the rest of her day and also the brother's day. But when she came back he would be in pain again. My wife spent two weeks trying to determine what the problem was but all three care givers claimed to be following the medication instructions. Finally the man's wife called the hospice agency my wife works for and said that she needed to speak to my wife urgently. It turned out that the other daughter, not the one who was having bad days, was not giving the pain medication because it made the patient too drowsy and he couldn't listen to her testify about Jesus. Then, before the other daughter arrived she would give him benadryl so that he would fall asleep. This "christian" woman chose to leave him in pain, in effect torturing him because he wasn't a christian. Is this what a loving person does? Is this what a loving god does?

I'm sorry, I don't believe in your god.
We are all individual human beings aren't we? Why are you trying to make the assumption that all other Christians would do what this person did? This is not right. Trying to share Jeusus with someone is always in our heart to do, but I myself would not have done what this person did.
I would have probably wanted to spend as much time with him reading the Bible while helping him get his medical needs met. Please don't judge other Chrisitans by what you may have seen one do that you did not like.
Did you ask this woman why she didn't give him his medicine? This is a personal thing I myself would have confronted this person with. Seeing someone dieing is bad enough, why would anyone want to see anyone be in pain?

[Ducky]

We are all individual human beings aren't we? Why are you trying to make the assumption that all other Christians would do what this person did? This is not right. Trying to share Jeusus with someone is always in our heart to do, but I myself would not have done what this person did.
I would have probably wanted to spend as much time with him reading the Bible while helping him get his medical needs met. Please don't judge other Chrisitans by what you may have seen one do that you did not like.
Did you ask this woman why she didn't give him his medicine? This is a personal thing I myself would have confronted this person with. Seeing someone dieing is bad enough, why would anyone want to see anyone be in pain?


yeah you still would have blamed his disease on him and used your bible as a club to bring someone to jesus while they fight a serious disease.

Run along troll. You don't realize how offensive you are.

[Cosmo]

why would anyone want to see anyone be in pain?

Ask your god. He seems to enjoy it.

[Roadtoad]

Aw, $h!t...

Kathy, take a long moment to reread a lot of what has been posted before. Most of us were Christians before we came here, and while some of us still are, the majority of us wind up leaving the Church because we've come to realize the teachings are false! The realization comes when we see our fellow "Christians" pulling the sort of filthy $h!t that Dragonrock describes! What kind of cruel SOB pulls that, particularly with their own father!?!

What kind of cruel SOB tells people God gave them cancer to draw them closer to Him?

Damn you, Kathy, why do you continue to refuse to see that people reject God because the evidence necessary to believe is not there? If God's people act like this, WHERE IS THE F***ING EVIDENCE?!?!?!

[Roadtoad]

P.S.: DR, what came of the case you describe? Please tell me that stupid woman was banned from the hospice. There had to be some sort of justice.

[Charlie in Dayton]

The one absolute in food is that the Taco is all.

Tacos? Nay...


Pocky?


YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY!!!

[AnotherSillyAlias]

Pocky?




What the hell is pocky?


I have a feeling I'm going to regret asking that ....

[Dragonrock]

We are all individual human beings aren't we? Why are you trying to make the assumption that all other Christians would do what this person did? This is not right. Trying to share Jeusus with someone is always in our heart to do, but I myself would not have done what this person did.
I would have probably wanted to spend as much time with him reading the Bible while helping him get his medical needs met. Please don't judge other Chrisitans by what you may have seen one do that you did not like.
Did you ask this woman why she didn't give him his medicine? This is a personal thing I myself would have confronted this person with. Seeing someone dieing is bad enough, why would anyone want to see anyone be in pain?

No Kathy, I wasn't assuming that all christians were like that. I used that story to set a trap which you fell into. I know that wasn't nice, but I have a point.

I viewed her as an idividual acting in a very unpleasent manner. I did not make assumptions about other people based on her actions. I view all people as individuals who are responsible for their own actions. I also view gods in this same way. I believe that gods or the christian god should be held responsible for what he does. She tortured this man because she believed that forcing her beliefs on other people was appropriate. I hold her in contempt for that. God murdered thousands and thousands of children and innocent babies by drowning them. Drowning is one of the most frightening and torturous was to die. Why should I NOT hold in contempt any person who willing does this to other people?

To summarize: I could never worship the god you claim exists as he is not benign.

[Roadtoad]

Bump, because that last post needs to be read over and over again.

[kurious_kathy]

[QUOTE=Dragonrock;1425219]I viewed her as an idividual acting in a very unpleasent manner. I did not make assumptions about other people based on her actions. I view all people as individuals who are responsible for their own actions. I also view gods in this same way. I believe that gods or the christian god should be held responsible for what he does. She tortured this man because she believed that forcing her beliefs on other people was appropriate. I hold her in contempt for that. God murdered thousands and thousands of children and innocent babies by drowning them. Drowning is one of the most frightening and torturous was to die. Why should I NOT hold in contempt any person who willing does this to other people?[QUOTE]
I can understand you have an issue with this woman in the way she handled herself. But she was trying to do something to insure she would see her dieing father again. It's something each and every Christian is concerned about.
Why deny the truth of Christ when it's the only thing that saves our souls?

[kmortis]

I viewed her as an idividual acting in a very unpleasent manner. I did not make assumptions about other people based on her actions. I view all people as individuals who are responsible for their own actions. I also view gods in this same way. I believe that gods or the christian god should be held responsible for what he does. She tortured this man because she believed that forcing her beliefs on other people was appropriate. I hold her in contempt for that. God murdered thousands and thousands of children and innocent babies by drowning them. Drowning is one of the most frightening and torturous was to die. Why should I NOT hold in contempt any person who willing does this to other people?
I can understand you have an issue with this woman in the way she handled herself. But she was trying to do something to insure she would see her dieing father again. It's something each and every Christian is concerned about.
Why deny the truth of Christ when it's the only thing that saves our souls?
So, you're justifying her not giving pain medication to a dying man so she could "testify" to him? That's sick. No, I know sick, and that's it. GOOD DOG woman, do you see how barbaric that sounds? I don't really give a flying frag if you think that he's going to hell or not to DENY HIM PAIN KILLERS IS BARBARIC!

[Genesius]

Why deny the truth of Christ when it's the only thing that saves our souls?
Because you have yet to show us any proof that it is the truth.

You have given us your testimony about how becoming Christian has changed your life for the better. Congratulations, we're glad you're happy. However, it has been pointed out to you that a number of people on these boards have had a similar experience on leaving Christianity. How do you explain the fact that these people "knew" Christ, decided they didn't like Him, and are now happier than they were as Christians? If Jesus is such an obvious truth, why can so many people look at what has been written about him and say "That's a lot of B.S."?

And, just for the record, I am not now, nor have I ever been a Christian. I've read the Bible, and the old joke about the literary reviewer applies: It is both good and original. However, the part that is good isn't original, and the part that is original isn't good.

[kurious_kathy]

So, you're justifying her not giving pain medication to a dying man so she could "testify" to him? That's sick. No, I know sick, and that's it. GOOD DOG woman, do you see how barbaric that sounds? I don't really give a flying frag if you think that he's going to hell or not to DENY HIM PAIN KILLERS IS BARBARIC!
No I have already stated earlier I would not have held back pain meds from him. But I would have definately wanted to be with him as much as possible to share the love of Jesus with him before he died. I myself would have sat there reading all the red letters I could to see if he would accept the lord before passing. This is important. We don't get that choice after we die!

[kurious_kathy]

Because you have yet to show us any proof that it is the truth.
1 John 2:22 Who is the liar but the one who denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the antichrist, the one who denies the Father and the Son.
and ...1 John 2:1-3
Christ Is Our Advocate
My little children, I am writing these things to you so that you may not sin And if anyone sins, we have an Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous;
and He Himself is the propitiation for our sins; and not for ours only, but also for those of the whole world.
By this we know that we have come to know Him, if we keep His commandments.

God's word never goes out void!

[atari24]

No I have already stated earlier I would not have held back pain meds from him. But I would have definately wanted to be with him as much as possible to share the love of Jesus with him before he died. I myself would have sat there reading all the red letters I could to see if he would accept the lord before passing. This is important. We don't get that choice after we die!

If you were reading the bible to me on my death bed, I would find that to be semi-torturous. Thats not how I want to spend my last moments on earth.

[slingblade]

1 John 2:22

Little words:

You. can't. use. the bible. to prove. god.
This. is. called. circular. logic. and. is. fallacious.

If. you. can't. prove. god. without. the. bible. you.
cant. prove. god.

[Genesius]

Because you have yet to show us any proof that it is the truth.
1 John 2:22 Who is the liar but the one who denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the antichrist, the one who denies the Father and the Son.
and ...1 John 2:1-3
Christ Is Our Advocate
My little children, I am writing these things to you so that you may not sin And if anyone sins, we have an Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous;
and He Himself is the propitiation for our sins; and not for ours only, but also for those of the whole world.
By this we know that we have come to know Him, if we keep His commandments.

God's word never goes out void!
:teacher: Pay attention now, Kathy. There will be a test on this material.

Quoting the Bible doesn't prove anything, since there is no proof that the Bible is the word of God. It is entirely possible that the passages you quoted were written by a wanna-be holy man who was stoned out of his mind on the local equivalent of magic mushrooms.

If I ask you to prove that the Bible is the truth, you can't quote the Bible as proof - this is known as a circular argument and it doesn't prove anything. Show me anything miraculous in the Bible that can be verified by another source - another civilization that witnessed the sun & moon standing still (China was quite civilized at the time, and highly interested in the heavens. Why don't they have any record of this happening?) would be a good start.

If you can show me a good reason to follow Jesus, I promise I'll listen to it. However, your personal testimony isn't a reason. As I said in my earlier post, plenty of other people on these boards were Christians and are happier since they left Christ. If you want to count personal testimony they've got you beat on sheer numbers.

[Paulhoff]

Well, the color red is red because it is red that why it is red when it is red. So this is why it looks red. :D

Paul

:) :) :)

[slingblade]

This is my theory, the theory that is mine, that is, I made it, and therefore it is mine. My theory.

A. Elk

[Dragonrock]

No I have already stated earlier I would not have held back pain meds from him. But I would have definately wanted to be with him as much as possible to share the love of Jesus with him before he died. I myself would have sat there reading all the red letters I could to see if he would accept the lord before passing. This is important. We don't get that choice after we die!

But what if he would rather watch Spiderman 1 and 2 and the complete Star Wars saga? Would you still have read to him? Or would you let him do what he wants?

If he didn't want to hear you read from the bible would you keep pestering him about it? Or would you just take one "no" as being final and let him watch the movies in peace?

[Roadtoad]

I can understand you have an issue with this woman in the way she handled herself. But she was trying to do something to insure she would see her dieing father again. It's something each and every Christian is concerned about.
Why deny the truth of Christ when it's the only thing that saves our souls?

Her actions were a denial of Christ. She purposely made her father suffer, claiming this was an act of mercy.

It was not. It was one of the most profound acts of cruelty I've ever read anywhere. The man is dying, and his daughter withholds medical attention so she can PREACH!? Let me tell you something, Kathy, that tells me she's a chicken $#!t slut, and if she were my sister, I'd backhand her so fast she'd think she'd been hit by an oncoming Freightliner with blown jakes rolling down the Continental Divide. A self-centered bitch like that isn't helping someone accept Christ, they're racking up a headcount for the Frozen Chosen sitting in the front rows of the pews in Church.

And frankly, if anyone were doing that to me, I'd call in the charge nurse, and demand that the offender be removed NOW! Another thing I'd do is call my attorney, and insist that they be disinherited, damn quick.

F*** her. And f*** you for defending her.

[Ducky]

Her actions were a denial of Christ. She purposely made her father suffer, claiming this was an act of mercy.

It was not. It was one of the most profound acts of cruelty I've ever read anywhere. The man is dying, and his daughter withholds medical attention so she can PREACH!? Let me tell you something, Kathy, that tells me she's a chicken $#!t slut, and if she were my sister, I'd backhand her so fast she'd think she'd been hit by an oncoming Freightliner with blown jakes rolling down the Continental Divide. A self-centered bitch like that isn't helping someone accept Christ, they're racking up a headcount for the Frozen Chosen sitting in the front rows of the pews in Church.

And frankly, if anyone were doing that to me, I'd call in the charge nurse, and demand that the offender be removed NOW! Another thing I'd do is call my attorney, and insist that they be disinherited, damn quick.

F*** her. And f*** you for defending her.


RT, I'm a little confused as to what you mean. Can you state it clearer? ;)



PS> I agree with you.

[chance]

Well I just heard one of the women at my womens bible study class today say the opposite about her experience with her mom after she got sick and was in the hospital with cancer. She said one week before her mom died she accepted Christ as her savior. She felt her mom would never had accepted Christ if it wasn't for this event. So see God can use sickness to open people up to the hope of heaven.
Don't get me wrong I hate seeing people die and suffer from disease and sickness just as much as everyone else does. I wish this life wasn't full of pain and suffering to. But I do see a side to it that some of you don't here on JREF. There are times that God does choose to heal people from cancer and other diseases. He doesn't always choose to do that, but sometimes I still hear and see others that have had miracles of healing in there lives. I could do some research and put some of the info together for you if you are interested in hearing some of those peoples stories. my bold

kurious_Kathy, in all your experience and resources available to you, do you think you can find a single instance of a bone being healed in the same way cancer is reported to? E.g. “I prayed and the cancer was gone” as opposed to “I prayed and the broken leg mended”?

Now ask your self why this should be so, how come an ‘invisible’ dieses can be cured but not a visible trauma.

Can you think of another reason why the cancer ‘vanished’?

[Ducky]

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kurious_Kathy, in all your experience and resources available to you, do you think you can find a single instance of a bone being healed in the same way cancer is reported to? E.g. “I prayed and the cancer was gone” as opposed to “I prayed and the broken leg mended”?

Now ask your self why this should be so, how come an ‘invisible’ dieses can be cured but not a visible trauma.

Can you think of another reason why the cancer ‘vanished’?


Well, since kathy has repeatedly stated that cancer is a tool god uses to bring us to him, then obviously the cancer went away when the patient accepted jesus, right kathy?


What a pantload.


(Ps. kathy if you want to know the best way to get the cancer to go away, read my paper. Prayer has never healed a cancer patient ever. It was either remission or treatment.)

[Paulhoff]

I hate to say this, but my mother who is a born-again as lost three good friends in the last two years to cancer and they were born-again too. You know they did a lot of praying and it didn't work.

Paul

:) :) :)

[kmortis]

No I have already stated earlier I would not have held back pain meds from him.

Ok, I'm willing to give the benefit of doubt here. You could be human.

But I would have definately wanted to be with him as much as possible to share the love of Jesus with him before he died.

Even this, if coupled with the pain meds would be ok, so long as it's not the ONLY conversations you tried to have with him.

I myself would have sat there reading all the red letters I could to see if he would accept the lord before passing.

And if he told you to put it in your pipe and smoke it? Would you keep badgering him, like you do here? Or would you put down that book of fables and actually spend time with your dying father? Maybe make his last moments special for you, rahter than just frustrating the old man.

This is important. We don't get that choice after we die!

If, indeed, it's a choice at all. You could be wrong, you know. You could be here, pissing off a lot of good folks for nothing. Then what? You now wasted your life on a fairy tale. Congradulations.

ANd yes, I could be wrong too, and I'm willing to serve my time, if need be. I've been on your side of the fence, Kathy, I get it, ok? I'd rather live for today, than some pie-in-the-sky promise from a sky daddy who presents himself as a psychotic jackass, and who, apparently, gets his followers to do the same.

[AnotherSillyAlias]

I go away for a few days, come back and you guys are still arguing with this deluded, unpleasant woman.

I'm not sure if you guys are simply more determined than me or simply crazy gluttons for punishment! :)

[TobiasTheViking]

I go away for a few days, come back and you guys are still arguing with this deluded, unpleasant woman.

I'm not sure if you guys are simply more determined than me or simply crazy gluttons for punishment! :)
Well, masochism does have its bright sides...

Oh, wait.