Hmmm ... Israel/Palestine

[Dancing David]

In the great thread on the New PM of the palestinians many great points have been raised.

1. Some feel that innocent civilians in Germany were justified in being killed because they lived in Germany while the Holocaust was commited. However they then say that the Palestinians are not justified in killing innocent civilians.

2. For reasons I don't understand: It is okay for a bunch of people : who the USA denied entry to, to go to a foriegn land and occupy it by the right of arms. However if the people who were living there at the time use arms to drive them out then they are terrorist.

3. If you don't support Israel then you are an anti-semite.

4. If you don't support the Palestinians then you are a theocratic fascist.

5. One group asks the other to stop the violence first and then is violent itself: claiming self defense.

6. The other group asks the first group to stop the violence first and then is violent itself: claiming self defense.

My point: How do we help them all get out of this mess? There are millions of children involved on all sides. They did not ask to be part of this conflict. I don't believe that God (who I don't believe in anyhow) really wants them to keep killing children. Alls sides have to stop the violence and try to work something out. All sides have commited crimes and acts of patriotism.

My suggestion: Get all sides to declare a state where all have citizenship by right of birth, equal protection under the law, peace from terror, peace from oppresion and the right to have thier children grow up!

Please feel free to comment, however I do have a limited capacity to read, so posts that span page after page I might not understand.

Save the children!

Peace
dancing david

[corplinx]

And they can all drink coca-cola and sing and be at peace. Wait..... nevermind, I forgot the PLO wants the destruction of the "zionists". Scratch that.

[Gem]

Interesting.

who the USA denied entry to

FYI: good old FDR tried to let them in, but it was congress who wouldn't let them. I think a particular example is a boat full of jewish refugees (that is, the fled germany and other countries) arrived at New York, were refused, sent to Cuba, refused, and back to Germany they went.

But to go back on topic, it's a very difficult situation. Both leaders of each country warred each other (Sharon was in the military for a long time, in high ranks, and I think we know Arafat has been around for a long time). My view is that so long as the people who are in power hate each other, there won't be peace. The new PM may not be the perfect leader (who is/was a holacaust denier), but the fact that Isreal negotiated with him many times and consider him a moderate may help a lot.

There won't any simple solution, even sharon said it himself. They will have to give up some land, and the palestenian will stay in poverty for a looong time to come. As for the terrorist organizations they will still stay. I remember pre-9/11 that Arafat was losing influence. Might be wrong but I remember that.

It's been going on for 55 years, what are the chances that it will stop tomorow?

Gem

[Tmy]

The worst part about the whole thing is how everyone gets bogged down in the past. They go on all day about who did what and when and where. They all need to focus on the future.