Is religion slowing us down? II

[Riddick]

Here's . That is the hospital where they placed a Baboon's heart in a human being. The CEO of LLU, [url=http://www.llu.edu/directory/bios/fike.html]Ruthita Fike (]Loma Linda University Adventist Medical Center[/url), was my high-school english teacher. Scroll down and note the third paragraph of her in the administration of LLU. You'll see mentioned College View Academy , that is the high-school I graduated from.


Ben Carson, MD (http://www.neuro.jhmi.edu/profiles/carson.html), Christian SDA.
More on Ben Carson:
pbs.org interview (http://www.pbs.org/newshour/gergen/july-dec99/carson_9-7.html)
CNN (http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2002/black.history/stories/02.carson/)
Wikipedia: Ben Carson (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ben_Carson)

Union College 2005 Faculty Awards (http://www.ucollege.edu/UCSCRIPTS/PUBLIC/TEMPLATE/DEFAULT.ASP?DIVID=1&PGID=474)
Union College 2004 Faculty Awards (http://www.ucollege.edu/ucscripts/public/template/default.asp?DivID=1&PGID=445)
Accomplished Graduates of Union College (http://www.ucollege.edu/ucscripts/public/template/default.asp?DivID=9&PgID=6), u might want to add: "Slalom Skier, Pro Water Ski Tour. Two-time Slalom Skier, US National Water Ski Championships." :s

Famous SDAs (Christians) (http://www.adherents.com/largecom/fam_sda.html) Note the David Koresh entry :s

Christians. Cutting Edge?

[Kopji]

(The Loma Linda link does not work.)

This is one of those events that confuses me more than a little. Christians can take such a 'black and white' stance on issues like abortion or stem cell research. But something like this is ok.

In a nutshell:

Non-human primates were considered better because immune-reactions were easier to control. But the danger of infections, the small size of organs and slow breeding patterns were the disadvantages. A more moral argument centres on their captivity as source animals as primates do not respond well to captivity and are considered too 'close' to humans to treat in such a way.
linky (http://www.ibms.org/index.cfm?method=science.virology&subpage=virology_xenotransplantation)


There is more than a little controversy over the ethics of killing highly evolved and social primates for human research. Maybe if you don't believe in evolution, and all creatures are made for humans to use, maybe that makes the decisions easier.

Anyway, doesn't this negate claims that science is amoral, while religion is needed for its moral value?

If only for the risk of creating new strains of xenoviruses, this research seems highly questionable. And yet here is religion mucking around in it without really knowing what may happen. All they need is an "i love the bomb' bumper sticker.


Abstract:
Ethics and public health issues in xenotransplantation.
Current Opinion in Organ Transplantation. 4(1):101, March 1999.
Tibell, Annika MD, PhD; Groth, Carl G. MD, PhD

The application of animal-to-man transplantation raises a number of ethics and public health questions. For example, do we have the right to use animals as organ providers, and is it acceptable to modify the genome of such animals. Is there a risk of transmission of pathogens from animal-to-man, and could such transmission create a public health hazard? Is the harm-benefit ratio acceptable to the xenograft recipients? In the last few years, a number of governmental and scientific reports addressing ethics and public health issues created by xenotransplantation have appeared, and a variety of regulatory measures have been proposed.
linky (http://www.co-transplantation.com/pt/re/coorgan/abstract.00075200-199903000-00018.htm;jsessionid=DaOdXrVeJ8op4uswjk4HOmp3oxeU1 7jR5SjPXA5py4hI11AM7Wus!1389088241!-949856145!9001!-1)
(C) 1999 Lippincott Williams & Wilkins, Inc.

[c4ts]

I still don't understand why Riddick is opposed to xenoplasty. I guess he has a problem with others figuring out how to save lives.

[Riddick]

[Fixed Link] Loma Linda University Medical Center (http://www.llu.edu/?PHPSESSID=827ed46ba8390a5da97d30aa4896f60f)

google Loma Linda Medical Center returned 257,000 results.

i worked for Florida Hospital Medical Center (http://www.flhosp.org/news/index.htm), Christian-SDA, for 12yrs.
FH Press Info (http://www.floridahospitalmedicalnews.com/about/index.asp)
In case you dont make it to the pdf:
FH is the largest health care system in the country, treating over 1 million patients per year.
FH performed more complex cardiac cases than any other facility in the country.
MSNBC selected FH as the premier focus of their hour long special - Heart Hospital.

[Riddick]

when christ raises you back to life, you'll be cussing him, saying you were sleeping soundly.

uh-huh, u dont want to be in a music video made in heaven with a [young] J-Lo.

uh-huh, you dont want to rub suntan lotion on giselle bundchen on a beach in heaven.

uh-huh, u dont want to have a latte/cappucino/urfavoritebeveragebecauseanythingiputherepissesuof f with angelina jolie and talk about her career and happenings on earth.

[ladies] u dont want to have a brunch with [a 30ish] brad pitt in heaven, and discuss his childhood in missouri, amoung other things.

sure. i hear what ur saying. riiiiiight. i believe you. not.

hey, if being pissed off is ur thing, im not here to stop u.

[Jon the Geek]

"If wishes were horses, we'd all be eating steak." --Jayne Cobb, Firefly

[TwoShanks]

Why would you need suntan lotion in heaven?

[SezMe]

Originally posted by TwoShanks
Why would you need suntan lotion in heaven?
:D

Its not the lotion, man, its the process of applying it. :) Can men get a woody in heaven?

[Upchurch]

Originally posted by Riddick
[ladies] u dont want to have a brunch with [a 30ish] brad pitt in heaven, and discuss his childhood in missouri, amoung other things.Brad Pitt is from my home state of Missouri? I did not know that.

I have now learned something vaguely interesting from a Riddick thread. I can now cross that off of my list of "Things I Never Anticipate Happening".

;)

[c4ts]

Originally posted by TwoShanks
Why would you need suntan lotion in heaven?

Because the Bible says it's a billion degrees and close to the sun!

[Freakshow]

Originally posted by Riddick
uh-huh, u dont want to have a latte/cappucino/urfavoritebeveragebecauseanythingiputherepissesuof f with angelina jolie and talk about her career and happenings on earth.

I would love to spend some time with Angelina Jolie. But I have no desire whatsoever to TALK to her. ;)

[Swishy McJackass]

Originally posted by Riddick
when christ raises you back to life, you'll be cussing him, saying you were sleeping soundly.

uh-huh, u dont want to be in a music video made in heaven with a [young] J-Lo.

uh-huh, you dont want to rub suntan lotion on giselle bundchen on a beach in heaven.

uh-huh, u dont want to have a latte/cappucino/urfavoritebeveragebecauseanythingiputherepissesuof f with angelina jolie and talk about her career and happenings on earth.

[ladies] u dont want to have a brunch with [a 30ish] brad pitt in heaven, and discuss his childhood in missouri, amoung other things.

sure. i hear what ur saying. riiiiiight. i believe you. not.

hey, if being pissed off is ur thing, im not here to stop u.

How do you know any of these people will be in heaven?
According to Celeb Atheist list, Angelina Jolie is an atheist. God lets nonbelievers into heaven? Never heard of that before.

[KelvinG]

Originally posted by Riddick
when christ raises you back to life, you'll be cussing him, saying you were sleeping soundly.

uh-huh, u dont want to be in a music video made in heaven with a [young] J-Lo.

uh-huh, you dont want to rub suntan lotion on giselle bundchen on a beach in heaven.

uh-huh, u dont want to have a latte/cappucino/urfavoritebeveragebecauseanythingiputherepissesuof f with angelina jolie and talk about her career and happenings on earth.

[ladies] u dont want to have a brunch with [a 30ish] brad pitt in heaven, and discuss his childhood in missouri, amoung other things.

sure. i hear what ur saying. riiiiiight. i believe you. not.

hey, if being pissed off is ur thing, im not here to stop u.

Hmmm, sounds just as ridiculous as the 72 virgins in heaven nonsense spouted by Muslim fundies to suicide bombers.

Well, at least you don't have to fly a plane into a building to rub suntan lotion on giselle bundchen in heaven. That's one thing Christianity has going for it over Islam.

[Robin]

Originally posted by Swishy McJackass
How do you know any of these people will be in heaven?
According to Celeb Atheist list, Angelina Jolie is an atheist. God lets nonbelievers into heaven? Never heard of that before.
According to Riddick Angelina Jolie is going to spend eternity forced to discuss her career and life over a coffee with a bunch of Christian fundies. Does not sound like heaven to me.

But nothing compared to the Hell that he is apparently planning for Giselle Bundchen. Eternity of having suntan oil rubbed into you by all and sundry. The horror!

[Riddick]

Originally posted by Upchurch
Brad Pitt is from my home state of Missouri? I did not know that.

I have now learned something vaguely interesting from a Riddick thread. I can now cross that off of my list of "Things I Never Anticipate Happening".

;)
that part was supposed to be for da ladies, hence the [ladies] warning prefix.

[Riddick]

Originally posted by Robin
According to Riddick Angelina Jolie is going to spend eternity forced to discuss her career and life over a coffee with a bunch of Christian fundies. Does not sound like heaven to me.

But nothing compared to the Hell that he is apparently planning for Giselle Bundchen. Eternity of having suntan oil rubbed into you by all and sundry. The horror!
ur retort was absolutely the tart of keeness. im simply flabbergasted, apalled at my miscalculation. once again, i kneel in reverence of your demonstrated multidisciplinary shrewdness. :: i look about, pensively, embarassed, humiliated, to nervous to cry, flittering about too much to keep my knees from shaking :: surely there is a corner here at jref i can hide in :: oh the humanity!!! ~/~_~\~ the world is crushing me, i cannot breathe, nay, how does faith hill make breathing sound so intoxicating :: oh my god where is my enter key ::: sigh, it is still there before me :: can i find my way to the bathroom :: ~\~_~/~

[Zep]

Originally posted by Riddick
ur retort was absolutely the tart of keeness. im simply flabbergasted, apalled at my miscalculation. once again, i kneel in reverence of your demonstrated multidisciplinary shrewdness. :: i look about, pensively, embarassed, humiliated, to nervous to cry, flittering about too much to keep my knees from shaking :: surely there is a corner here at jref i can hide in :: oh the humanity!!! ~/~_~\~ the world is crushing me, i cannot breathe, nay, how does faith hill make breathing sound so intoxicating :: oh my god where is my enter key ::: sigh, it is still there before me :: can i find my way to the bathroom :: ~\~_~/~ Don't post while stoned, OK? And especially not while stoned and wanking to J-Lo.

Yech!

[Upchurch]

Originally posted by Riddick
that part was supposed to be for da ladies, hence the [ladies] warning prefix. Information is information, no matter for whom it was intended. I'm fairly indifferent to Brad Pitt, except that now that I know he came from Missouri I can say, "Hey, the local kid did good for himself!"

[Robin]

Originally posted by Riddick
ur retort was absolutely the tart of keeness. im simply flabbergasted, apalled at my miscalculation. once again, i kneel in reverence of your demonstrated multidisciplinary shrewdness. :: i look about, pensively, embarassed, humiliated, to nervous to cry, flittering about too much to keep my knees from shaking :: surely there is a corner here at jref i can hide in :: oh the humanity!!! ~/~_~\~ the world is crushing me, i cannot breathe, nay, how does faith hill make breathing sound so intoxicating :: oh my god where is my enter key ::: sigh, it is still there before me :: can i find my way to the bathroom :: ~\~_~/~
Does the expression "laying it on with a trowel" mean anything to you?

[thatguywhojuggles]

Yes

[Beerina]

Originally posted by Riddick
when christ raises you back to life, you'll be cussing him, saying you were sleeping soundly.


Especially if he heaves my newly-indistructible body into a lake of lava. Thanks, Jesus.

Of course, Mark Twain mocked this point mercilessly.

[c4ts]

Originally posted by Beerina
Especially if he heaves my newly-indistructible body into a lake of lava. Thanks, Jesus.

Of course, Mark Twain mocked this point mercilessly.

So does Riddick with his Christ-like behavior and exemplary Christian tolerance.