Spirit picture!

[Azrael 5]

Humour me,its not my pic,its a member on the beloved Supernaturalworld forum.She states it is a spirit wearing a victorian looking dress with no head(!) arms crossed in front holding a handkerchief!

Our survey says....
Photograph removed at the request of the copyright owner.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v194/Paparazzi/Spirit.jpg ;)

So is she right? :)


ETA: Due to maungy attitudes on SNW forum I am stating:copyright of the image belongs to member Loulee of the supernaturalworld.co.uk.If any mods feel im infringing anything Ill happily remove it.;)

[De_Bunk]

Yes...

Most definitely...

Tell the person its all true...

DB

[TJ]

:rub:

There, there. It's alright.

Do you think her head is still in the past? Good thing her ample bosom was able to time warp, anyway.

[Bronze Dog]

No. It's a headless floating Blood Knight from Vandal Hearts out for revenge after I whacked it for 63 damage.

[Neutiquam Erro]

Originally posted by TJ Stough
:rub:

There, there. It's alright.

Do you think her head is still in the past? Good thing her ample bosom was able to time warp, anyway.

OK, this just has to be bogus. Maybe I'll never be able to see a ghost in that picture, but I know I'd spot an "ample bosom" if it was there.

[jimlintott]

It's nothing more than a really crappy photograph.

[John Jackson]

Well, there's two ghostly pairs of ample bosoms at the top of the picture :D

The ghost itself though - it's a marmoset.

[c4ts]

Looks like a flash reflection and the shutter speed was slow. I'd be surprised if this is a digital photo.

[TJ]

Originally posted by jimlintott
It's nothing more than a really crappy photograph.

I'd agree with this assessment. Look how grainy it is. Wait! Aren't all ghosts spotted in grainy photos? I'm sensing a pattern here...

[Anti_Hypeman]

Its real just look at all the orbs

[Lisa Simpson]

Here's another one, on the cat forum I belong to. Scroll down a few posts and you'll see it.

http://catforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=23988&highlight=

[c4ts]

It's an undead lightbulb, right?

[phenomenon]

Whatever the picture may or may not be your member Azrael 5 was specifically told not to use this image.

[De_Bunk]

phenomenon...


Err...Why can't Azrael5 use the pic...

Me...Hey...I've got permission to use any picture i like...From God himself...He told me in a vision....

Prove i didnt....

Now, if you can prove that God isn't the ruler of the known universe, that he doesn't own everything that mankind produces and that he doesn't exist...

Well...

DB

( PS...Hey...This pic might turn up hundreds of different sites now...Maybe all the pics from 'The Supernatural World' will turn up on hundreds of different sites....Who knows...It just takes one smarta**...! )

[phenomenon]

Because I own it now!

I fully appreciate skepticism, without it the world would be a wacky place. That doesn't mean I appreciate mocking and sarcasm and someone using material they have been told not to.


Me...Hey...I've got permission to use any picture i like...From God himself...He told me in a vision....

Problem is, God doesn't own it, I do. ;)

As for hundreds of sites seeing this pic, I very much doubt it. Azrael is banned from far too many to ever get chance to post them. Aint that right John?

[De_Bunk]

Prove it...

Get your lawyer and prove it...

Infact...

I own it...and so does my wife...

DB

[phenomenon]

Ooooh, such aggression doesn't become you.

Something tells me that pic is going to disappear very soon. ;)

[Bronze Dog]

It seems to me these are the people you should be going after, phen: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v194/Paparazzi/Spirit.jpg

[phenomenon]

Yep, thanx for that BronzeDog, he's also known as Azrael 5 on here.

I have no qualms arguing the authenticity of a picture, but people are entitled to protect their material, regardless of how "laughable" it may seem.

I'm sure I would get a flee in the ear should I start publishing material from this site without permission from the authors/owners.

[Bronze Dog]

Originally posted by phenomenon
I'm sure I would get a flee in the ear should I start publishing material from this site without permission from the authors/owners.
Depends largely on the circumstances, I imagine. I personally find a lot of the copyright gestapo out there are trying to suppress legitimate criticism, rather than protect anything.

Unless Azrael is costing you money, somehow, I don't think there's really all that much damage being done.

[phenomenon]

To be honest the content means nothing to me..it's more a thing of principal.

As someone who owns a site I prefer my wishes regarding that site and its material to be adhered to. Don't get me wrong, most sites if not all use material from other sources, but should I be asked to remove said material I would, and have done so in the past.

[Bronze Dog]

Originally posted by phenomenon
To be honest the content means nothing to me..it's more a thing of principal.
I fail to see the principle you're running on.

[MRC_Hans]

Apart from the basic silliness of spirit pictures, I can't get it into my head how these people expect anybody to have an opinion on a pictue when you don't know what the room is supposed to look like. Why don't they at least take a reference picture, and post it?

Hans

[phenomenon]

I own the picture and make it clear I do not wish to see it published elsewhere. The picture should then have been removed if it had already been published, if not, it should never have been posted.

ok?

[De_Bunk]

phenomenon


Thats the problem...

You 'wish'...

You are claiming that you own exclusive, 100% rights to that photo, which i have recently seen on other sites....

You see..some sites will remove material....

Some sites want 'proof positive' that you actually have the complete rights to an item...

And that involves a lot of work...which i doubt you have the time, or the money for...

Never claim exclusive rights to anything...unless you got a lawyer to back you up...

Maybe the pic will be removed...maybe it won't...

Who knows...?

DB

( BTW...Remember where you are...this is not some 'silly' amateur, two hits per day website....)

[phenomenon]

(BTW...Remember where you are...this is not some 'silly' amateur, two hits per day website....)

I'm perfectly well aware of where I am DB, but sincere thnx for the concern. I would also not class my site as a two hits per day site!

[De_Bunk]

phenomenon...

Did the 'ghost' give you permission to use its image...

How can presume you own the image of that ghost...

Maybe it doesn't want its image posted...

Can you tell all of us that the 'ghost' doesn't mind, and it has given you its full permission for its image to be used...and has given you 'exclusive' rights over its image...

Like i said earlier...

Until then...

DB

[TJ]

Originally posted by De_Bunk
phenomenon

Maybe the pic will be removed...maybe it won't...

Who knows...?


Well I wish someone would take it down. Those chairs are AWFUL.

And what's up with that piece of electronics on the ugly orange chair?

That's a serious fire hazard. Maybe there'll be even more ghosts to photograph after the house burns down!

[steenkh]

Originally posted by Lisa Simpson
Here's another one, on the cat forum I belong to. Scroll down a few posts and you'll see it.

http://catforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=23988&highlight=
Lisa, it is probably not worth the bother, but I can tell you that I have plrenty of pictures with blobs/orbs like the one on the cat picture. It is due to a tiny dried-up droplet of something on the lens, and I have removed mine now. If they have used the same camera for many pictures around the house, they should have plenty of pictures with orbs. But it only shows up on dark backgrounds.

[phenomenon]

Can you tell all of us that the 'ghost' doesn't mind, and it has given you its full permission for its image to be used...and has given you 'exclusive' rights over its image...

Ghost? What ghost? You seeing things....again!

[LW]

Originally posted by phenomenon
I own the picture and make it clear I do not wish to see it published elsewhere. The picture should then have been removed if it had already been published, if not, it should never have been posted.

ok?

May I suggest you to contact someone of the moderator team about the matter. Just hit the "Report this post to a moderator" button below the original post.

[Azrael 5]

ust to clarify a moot point,after which I will post the pic on every forum I can get my hands on,I was told I could cdreate a link to the picture by the member.I wrongly assumed you needed to register to view that forum,so I c& p it! Dunno what difference it makes,the end result is the same.
Anyway I won the picture now,its on my desktop.So it must be mine.Anyone want to sue me? ;)

BTW other than SNW what sites am I banned from?

[phenomenon]

Don't tempt me John.

[Azrael 5]

Originally posted by phenomenon
Don't tempt me John.

Now you know full well I will.Prove ownership of this photo and proof of copyright-that you took the picture-and the original negative.After that I will remove it from all the sites I have put it on.;)

[Deetee]

If the picture is yours, where is the caption in the corner saying copyright Michael Podesta (like some of the ghost pictures on your web site have)?
(And if you are not michael Podesta, who gave you permission to use his ghost photos?)

[phenomenon]

If you actually read this entire thread and my posts your Q will be answered.

[Azrael 5]

Originally posted by Deetee
If the picture is yours, where is the caption in the corner saying copyright Michael Podesta (like some of the ghost pictures on your web site have)?
(And if you are not michael Podesta, who gave you permission to use his ghost photos?)

Sorry I dont understand.Im not Michael Podesta though.;)

[phenomenon]

Thank you admin. My apologies for derailing this thread.

[De_Bunk]

phenomenon..

Your next stop has gotta be Photobucket then...???

DB

[TJ]

phenomenon,

I don't really understand what the big deal is about this photo being present, especially if it's available on the Web anyway.

Is it the criticism it received here which made you so adamant about pulling it? Were we not credulous enough?

[phenomenon]

My reason for not wishing to see it here are the same reasons for not wishing to see it on any other site, be it a believers or skeptics site. The original owner did not wish to see her pic elswhere. As the owner of that site I had a duty to respect her wishes and so did/

Regardless of its content, I am inclined to uphold the wishes of people should they so request it.

I myself have material that belongs to other sources. I am sure that other site owners will tell you that the protocol is to ask. If permission is refused then so be it. She refused as I did.

I tend to think the image is nothing more than poor digital photography with no paranormal evidence...or should I say I am certain it's not paranormal, not wishing to leave the door open for the skeptics to fry me for not totally ruling it out. ;)

[De_Bunk]

phenomenon ....

BTW...I take back any anything i implied about your site being amateurish....

I visited it...

It is very professional, well done and informative...and, from what i can see, is doing very well indeed...

I was a bit shocked...

Nice one...

DB

[phenomenon]

Thank you DB...and I take back any uneccessary sarcasm.

It's still only a young site but it's getting there. ;)

Trying to run a site with believers and skeptics is no easy task, I have a duty to cater for their needs and interests. Some I find incredibly interesting, some I find downright hilarious. Either way they get to read their favourite topics regardless of my personal opinions.

[De_Bunk]

Phenomenon...

Any sarcasm i get...99.9% of the time, i fully deserve...

Group hug anyone...

Yeh...

DB

[TJ]

Thanks for the explanation, phenomenon.

I'm in for the group hug.


:h2:

Awww, that's better.

[kip]

Well I must say that being a new member on this site, I am terribly dissapointed with the childishness of the members here. I came on here to see some intelligent conversation and information. I happened along this thread, and decided to check it out. To see your joking regarding a person's picture, then your outrageous insistence that you should be able to show whatever you choose, even if the owner has refused permission that it be shown...well I find you quite a childish bunch indeed.
For a supposed "intellectually" enriched type of site...I find your attitude shameful.

[Starrman]

Well I must say that being a new member on this site, I am terribly dissapointed with the childishness of the members here. I came on here to see some intelligent conversation and information. I happened along this thread, and decided to check it out. To see your joking regarding a person's picture, then your outrageous insistence that you should be able to show whatever you choose, even if the owner has refused permission that it be shown...well I find you quite a childish bunch indeed.

At least your not judging the entire membership and content on one silly thread - that would be awfully childish and un-intelligent.

[Chaosium]

Originally posted by kip
Well I must say that being a new member on this site, I am terribly dissapointed with the childishness of the members here. I came on here to see some intelligent conversation and information.Perhaps you should add some, then :)

It's not as if there's anything here resembling evidence of "GHOSTLY PRESENCE" or a mentalist existence aside from pareidolia.

[TheBoyPaj]

Originally posted by kip
even if the owner has refused permission that it be shown...

I don't know what was in the PM which prompted Darat to remove the picture, but all we have on this thread is a person claiming to own a picture which he admits was not taken by him.

I have to ask, how do we know who owns a digital picture?

[tsg]

Originally posted by kip
Well I must say that being a new member on this site, I am terribly dissapointed with the childishness of the members here. I came on here to see some intelligent conversation and information. I happened along this thread, and decided to check it out. To see your joking regarding a person's picture, then your outrageous insistence that you should be able to show whatever you choose, even if the owner has refused permission that it be shown...well I find you quite a childish bunch indeed.
For a supposed "intellectually" enriched type of site...I find your attitude shameful.

I've tried to stay out of this argument, but there is an important point missing from the discussion.

This is a site for the discussion and critcial examination of paranormal claims. The photo included was claimed to show a ghost and was included on this site to discuss and critique those claims. Fair use allows copying of a work for criticism and discussion without requiring the permission of the owner of the copyright. I'm willing to bet that the publication of the photo in this instance falls well within the realms of Fair Use and thus no permission was necessary. As for the wishes of the owner of the photo, I suggest that if she didn't want to see it posted on another site, then she shouldn't have posted it to a publicly accessible website to begin with.

[TJ]

Originally posted by tsg
As for the wishes of the owner of the photo, I suggest that if she didn't want to see it posted on another site, then she shouldn't have posted it to a publicly accessible website to begin with.

:clap:

[Azrael 5]

tsg,very wise words,and as someone who got banned from said forum for posting it on here-so it could be ridiculed apparently,although again if you didnt want ridicule dont put it on a website-but its my second time so not unexpected.
;)

[Bronze Dog]

Excellent post, tsg. Covered some of the things I was thinking quite well.

[Ashles]

Originally posted by kip
Well I must say that being a new member on this site, I am terribly dissapointed with the childishness of the members here. I came on here to see some intelligent conversation and information. I happened along this thread, and decided to check it out. To see your joking regarding a person's picture, then your outrageous insistence that you should be able to show whatever you choose, even if the owner has refused permission that it be shown...well I find you quite a childish bunch indeed.
For a supposed "intellectually" enriched type of site...I find your attitude shameful.
Well Kip, so far your first 4 posts have all been respondiong to Azrael. It appears that you joined solely to debate with him.

There of plenty of other interesting threadds on this site - perhaps if you have a look aroud you might find some that you prefer.

Or if you only came here to argue with Azrael then that's fine too. But you can't really then make generalisations about the site when you are only here because of a single poster.

I'm sure time will tell what your reasons are for visiting this site.

[Azrael 5]

Im not argiung with kip,maybe they are SNW members.But you're right Ashles he seems to have it in for me!!
:D

[kip]

Well Kip, so far your first 4 posts have all been respondiong to Azrael. It appears that you joined solely to debate with him.

Actually I was not resoponding to Azrael on this..I was responding to the posts in this thread.
To respond to your quote....yes I have stayed in this area of the forum, as this is as far as I have gotten on this site as time has permitted me...and here is where I began.
Whether I continue on depends on how interested I am in all of the other information I see here....which is a large amount! I will browse as I can...but I assure you that I have not come on here solely to "debate" with one person. And my comments were not aimed at one person either...were they?
So you can judge what I say or what I look at if you choose...but is that really necessary? Isn't this forum free and open to all who choose to register and look round? Is there some "rule" as to where I go and whom I respond to? And FYI....I apologise if I judged too quickly....as I think that I did.

[Temp3st]

kip can you explain the meaning of your sig to me?

I'm a bit confused by what you are saying :S

[kip]

I'm a bit confused by what you are saying

Quite simple really... just that there is more to believing in something than to simply pronounce the belief. Proof is helpful in the process.;)

but that is just my opinion......LOL