Disturbing documents found on road (56k warning)

[DavoMan]

Hello. I was bored the other night at 3am & decided to go for a walk. Being misty & lonely didn't help the mood.

I was coming home when I saw papers skewn out on the footpath(sidewalk) and going into the gutter. I looked closely & saw a photo of a baby & some fabric which looked like it was from a shirt of some kind. I gathered the photo & a handful of the papers & took them home.

The documents contained stuff about god/satan & spiritual stuff & predictions & dreams & the like. I have decided to scan them & put them up on here for you guys to look at. I havent been back to the site yet. Its in a busy street so I am not the only person to have seen these papers. I have not gone to the police or anything since I have no evidence of any crime; it just freaks me out. 56k warning.

http://homepages.slingshot.co.nz/~davoman6/spooky/note_a_front.jpg
A post-it note sided peice of paper cut out from something side 1.


http://homepages.slingshot.co.nz/~davoman6/spooky/note_a_back.jpg
The post-it note sided peice of paper cut out from something side 2.


http://homepages.slingshot.co.nz/~davoman6/spooky/note_b_front-only.jpg
A folded peice of A4 paper. On the other side is a large note saying 'Clem $10 4 U Thanks mum'


http://homepages.slingshot.co.nz/~davoman6/spooky/note_c_front-only.jpg
An A4 sized paper. On the other side is a blank 'Chubb Security' employee timesheet.

http://homepages.slingshot.co.nz/~davoman6/spooky/note_d_front-only.jpg
A4 lined paper.

http://homepages.slingshot.co.nz/~davoman6/spooky/baby_front.jpg
The photo of the baby

http://homepages.slingshot.co.nz/~davoman6/spooky/baby_back.jpg
The reverse side of the baby photo.

[Luke T.]

Pretty creepy stuff.

[bjornart]

Good thing it was thrown out...

[Nucular]

Yep, pretty creepy.

Wouldn't Clem who works for Chubb security in Christchurch NZ completely freak if he saw his lost bizarre scribblings posted on the net! Doesn't sound like the kind of person who'll come here though, luckily.

One disturbed puppy.

But then wouldn't it be quite good fun to scribble out a bunch of really disturbing stuff, and leave it blowing in the street - you could be fairly certain someone would read a bit of it. Hmmm, new hobby.

[kmortis]

Originally posted by Nucular
Yep, pretty creepy.

Wouldn't Clem who works for Chubb security in Christchurch NZ completely freak if he saw his lost bizarre scribblings posted on the net! Doesn't sound like the kind of person who'll come here though, luckily.

One disturbed puppy.

But then wouldn't it be quite good fun to scribble out a bunch of really disturbing stuff, and leave it blowing in the street - you could be fairly certain someone would read a bit of it. Hmmm, new hobby.

I seem to recall a website devoted to the flotsam that the owner found in his daily travels. I can't seem to find the link rightnow.

[Blackwell]

Originally posted by kmortis
I seem to recall a website devoted to the flotsam that the owner found in his daily travels. I can't seem to find the link rightnow.

Probably not the exact one you're thinking of, but along those lines:

http://www.foundmagazine.com/

[jmercer]

Turn it over to the police. You never know what's a clue.

[c4ts]

I'm not sure how they could link the notes to anyone, except maybe by handwriting similarity. They've been on the ground sometime, and who knows if anyone else picked them up and threw them away in disgust?

[chillzero]

As a writer I have made some little notes on napkins, bus tickets, old faxes etc in the past. Some of these notes referred to how unhappy I have been with killing methods - needs to be more drawn out - better torture, etc.

I bet if I dropped them anywhere they would freak a few people out as well!

I see how these could be seen as disturbing, however, they could be the notes of a pastor/priest/layman, for a sermon/ book...
you never know.

I personally would hand them to the police anyway. Someone may be looking for them - particularly with a baby picture in them. I would expect your concerns would be taken seriously.

At least you could then share the burden of your worries, and give the action to people trained to deal with it.

[kmortis]

Originally posted by Blackwell
Probably not the exact one you're thinking of, but along those lines:

http://www.foundmagazine.com/

Yer right, that's not the exact one that I've been to before. You wouldn't really think there'd be that much call for multiple sites of this ilk, but apparently there is.

[MoonDragn]

Interesting how the person keeps refering to him/herself as ME instead of I. Also theres a reference to "we in the police and church". Its almost like the person is doing a book report on something and maybe writing down stuff from the book thats important?

Anyone try to look up some of these phrases and see if they match some book somewhere?

[jmercer]

Originally posted by c4ts
I'm not sure how they could link the notes to anyone, except maybe by handwriting similarity. They've been on the ground sometime, and who knows if anyone else picked them up and threw them away in disgust?

Content similarity (Crimes committed that may link to the notes somehow, or notes left that are grammatically similar... or have a similar focus/obsessiveness.) Location may mean something, too... and the picture of the baby may also. Also, the notes may obliquely refer to some event that isn't public knowlege... yet.

The notes and picture have absolutely no value to you, but they make you uneasy, right? I'm of the opinion that we should listen to those warning signals, even if they're wrong... and the last thing you want to do is to eventually toss this stuff away, only to read about some kind of grotesque crime and then wonder if you trashed important evidence.

I wouldn't make any assumptions as to the value of those items. Turn them over to the police and let them decide if it's worth keeping or not. They may just simply toss them back at you and tell you they're worthless - fine. Or they may decide to keep them because they're uneasy about them too - also fine.

Either way, you've done the right thing.

[Kopji]

Some of it looks like two people writing notes to each other, or a record of a conversation that took place about an rpg.

'goku' is a dragonball name, and a game is mentioned at least once. Maybe some of comments are spell notes for characters.

The "me" might be a simple way to identify the writer, or an abbreviation for a gaming character.

The writing on the lined paper looks neater, maybe by a different person.

[jmercer]

Yeppers - I know who Goku is, but to a disturbed mind, Goku may be real.

Check out this thread:

http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=62321

[Dogdoctor]

natas and goku are online gamers I play with. Natas is also satan backwards. Sounds like someone spent too many hours playing online games without sleep and is now in a severe stage of sleep deprivation. Or else they are tweaking from ice (methamphetamine) use. I just met someone who was convinced that bugs were crawling in and out of his skin and was ripping them out to show me. That is scary.

[Luke T.]

Originally posted by Dogdoctor
natas and goku are online gamers I play with. Natas is also satan backwards. Sounds like someone spent too many hours playing online games without sleep and is now in a severe stage of sleep deprivation. Or else they are tweaking from ice (methamphetamine) use. I just met someone who was convinced that bugs were crawling in and out of his skin and was ripping them out to show me. That is scary.

Interesting how one's perspective can change. I now see several game references in the notes.

[MoonDragn]

To me it sounds like two people are discussing how to plan a comic book or story or maybe a roleplaying game senario. Several people are mentioned, sounds like co-workers or maybe members of the team. We know the real name of one person is Mitch. Are there anybody named Mitch in your neighborhood?

[Phrost]

You don't live in Vicksburg, MS do you? That's where Chrono's from, and he's the kind of nut to ramble about Goku and God in the same breath.

[c4ts]

Originally posted by Phrost
You don't live in Vicksburg, MS do you? That's where Chrono's from, and he's the kind of nut to ramble about Goku and God in the same breath.

Hmmmm... "Manipulation via dreams" does look like something he'd write, but I don't see any mention of cartoon animal rape.

Plus there's a baby involved, and I don't think Chrono is the kind of person who gets laid. At all.

[MoonDragn]

Incidentally, Goku is the japanese name for the mythica creature Monkey god in chinese mythology which was probably influenced by the indian monkey god Hanuman.

[c4ts]

Hey, it does say "Goku!" Maybe they are his!

But who is "Clem" and why didn't these dream characters appear in his journal?

[DavoMan]

I live in Christchurch, New Zealand. I went back to the site last night and it was all gone, including the fabric. Although up the street in the bush I found another piece of paper with writing. Its drying now and I will scan it tonight.

[clarsct]

Huh.

I was thinking roleplay, as well. The baby picture was probably the most disturbing, though. How big is Christchurch? New Zealand, IIRC, is about the size of one of our smaller states. If someone is looking for that baby, then it shouldn't be too difficult to figure out who and why.

They could be notes for a sermon. Or notes passed back and forth in a Sunday School. Is there a church nearby?

Either way, maybe the local authorities might have a look. Could be something or nothing.

[DavoMan]

Yep New Zealand is small. 3.5 to 4 million people. We actually have more churches here than corner dairies (convenient stores).

I will go to the cops on monday. It's the weekend now and thats my getting pissed and annoying christians time.

[chillzero]

Originally posted by clarsct
Huh.

I was thinking roleplay, as well. The baby picture was probably the most disturbing, though. How big is Christchurch? New Zealand, IIRC, is about the size of one of our smaller states. If someone is looking for that baby, then it shouldn't be too difficult to figure out who and why.

They could be notes for a sermon. Or notes passed back and forth in a Sunday School. Is there a church nearby?

Either way, maybe the local authorities might have a look. Could be something or nothing.

Could this not be a picture of his niece, sent to him by his brother - Clem in 2001. I don't see why this might be so disturbing? There is nothing even in the writing to indicate any possible danger to this child. It has not been defaced, scribbled n or anything. Apart from being dropped in the street it has been well looked after for 4 years.

Someone may have returned to pick up all these things, and will probably be relieved to find that the photo has not been distributed to your local paedophile ring, so I still think you should just give it all in to the police - especially since you are uneasy about it.

[MoonDragn]

You are all assuming a relationship between the picture and the papers. What if they were dropped by different people? maybe flew out of a dumpster or garbage truck.

[Zep]

Clem sounds like he's schizo and off his meds. Or off his twig on something halucinogenic. And young enough for RPG too. It would also explain why this stuff is just floating in the street - he could have simply tossed it while off with the pixies.

[jmercer]

All good points, but I'm simply saying that if there's a concern, hand it over to the police and let them worry about it. (or not, as the case may be.) :)

[Lithrael]

Yeah... These do look like roleplaying notes to me, partly written in-character. The phrases "metaphysical crap, rings etc" "gain extra attacks etc" "Teara playing ******** game, trying to sucker me in Rays game on Acara" and the shorthand plot notes... I have stuff like this from vampire roleplaying games all over the floor of my car.

[c4ts]

Originally posted by Lithrael
Yeah... These do look like roleplaying notes to me, partly written in-character. The phrases "metaphysical crap, rings etc" "gain extra attacks etc" "Teara playing ******** game, trying to sucker me in Rays game on Acara" and the shorthand plot notes... I have stuff like this from vampire roleplaying games all over the floor of my car.

Riggin' fraggin' Malkavians leaving their junk on the road where people can find it!

[Lithrael]

Originally posted by c4ts
Riggin' fraggin' Malkavians leaving their junk on the road where people can find it!

Yeah I know, total breach of the Masquerade... tch.

[DavoMan]

Originally posted by MoonDragn
You are all assuming a relationship between the picture and the papers. What if they were dropped by different people? maybe flew out of a dumpster or garbage truck. Isnt the baby's name mentioned in the papers? Theres one more peice of paper to go up yet, and it even has some diagrams in it. :)

Im busy watching the New Zealand election on tv. Its a nail-biter. The party of Mr Burns type people is in the lead.

[c4ts]

Originally posted by Lithrael
Yeah I know, total breach of the Masquerade... tch.

Like that's ever stopped them before.

[Cecil]

I second (third?) the drugged rambling notion.

[oglommi]

Turn it over to the police. People should not look for evidence of a crime before they turn suspicious items over to them.

[DavoMan]

Originally posted by oglommi
Turn it over to the police. People should not look for evidence of a crime before they turn suspicious items over to them. Good point. Very good point.