Paranoid Public School Using Iris Technology

[Jedi Knight]

A public school in New Jersey (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A5208-2003Apr21.html) is using "Iris scanning" technology to keep "strangers" (Americans) out.

Now, this is leftism run Amok. A guy walks into the school to deliver cupcakes and forgets to sign in and now the school wants to turn it into a prison but through the looking glass--keeping America out!

It is America in name only.

JK

[Mel]

Originally posted by Jedi Knight
A public school in New Jersey (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A5208-2003Apr21.html) is using "Iris scanning" technology to keep "strangers" (Americans) out.

Now, this is leftism run Amok. A guy walks into the school to deliver cupcakes and forgets to sign in and now the school wants to turn it into a prison but through the looking glass--keeping America out!

It is America in name only.

JK

Personally, I think it's a good idea. At my son's school, people must sign in & show ID when entering the school and I don't feel at all as if my 'rights' are being compromised.

And what about special cases where there is a high potential for parental abduction? Making children feel safer in a school building is a small price to pay for having to give up the right to anonymity in a public place..... a place we CHOOSE to enter.

Btw..... it drives me nuts to see a grammatical error in a newpaper......

Quote:

"The iris scanning technology will be used to identify employees and those authorized to pick up children in the 1,800-student district. Anyone else will have to show ID before being allowed in. Students themselves will never been screened."


Fear not, defenders of civil rights.... at least the pupil's pupils are off-limits! ;)

[Ian Osborne]

Originally posted by Jedi Knight
A public school in New Jersey[/url] is using "Iris scanning" technology to keep "strangers" (Americans) out.......Now, this is leftism run Amok.

You think any American should be given free rein to wander around every American school? And what's so fuggin' left wing about this school's security plans? You really are a prat at times. Or maybe your underpants are too tight...

[Bjorn]

The township school district has been chosen as the recipient of a $292,360 federal school safety grant. ... from the leftist federal government? :confused:

http://tritown.gmnews.com/News/2002/1107/Front_Page/117.html

[The Fool]

Originally posted by Bjorn
... from the leftist federal government? :confused:

http://tritown.gmnews.com/News/2002/1107/Front_Page/117.html
Obviously the secretly leftist George W Bush wants to exclude Martians from our eduation systems, thats the real reason for the secret funding. Martians have bright blue eyes and are easily detected. They arn't even real retina scanners they are just joke cardboard tubes with black ink on the end to make people look silly as they walk around with black rings around their eyes...

watch out next week whern JK finds a leftist conspiracy in his breakfast cereal.

This is not spam, It is a comment on the content of the thread....It looks like spam because the topic does too....

[corplinx]

Originally posted by Jedi Knight
A public school in New Jersey (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A5208-2003Apr21.html) is using "Iris scanning" technology to keep "strangers" (Americans) out.


The only problem I have here is that this sounds expensive. Not a very good use of taxpayer money. I hope this was the result of a private donation.

[Bjorn]

Originally posted by corplinx


The only problem I have here is that this sounds expensive. Not a very good use of taxpayer money. I hope this was the result of a private donation. Sorry, Corplinx - all from the taxpayers via those leftist commies in the federal government:

The township school district has been chosen as the recipient of a $292,360 federal school safety grant. :(

[corplinx]

Originally posted by Bjorn
Sorry, Corplinx - all from the taxpayers via those leftist commies in the federal government:

:(

Ouch! I'm glad to see my tax dollars getting redirected into another state's schools. Wait, no I'm not!

[a_unique_person]

Originally posted by Jedi Knight

It is America in name only.

JK

Better get onto your friends and tell them to stop doing it then.

[dmarker]

Originally posted by Jedi Knight
A public school in New Jersey (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A5208-2003Apr21.html) is using "Iris scanning" technology to keep "strangers" (Americans) out.

Now, this is leftism run Amok. A guy walks into the school to deliver cupcakes and forgets to sign in and now the school wants to turn it into a prison but through the looking glass--keeping America out!

It is America in name only.

JK

From the article:

"The iris scanning technology will be used to identify employees and those authorized to pick up children in the 1,800-student district. Anyone else will have to show ID before being allowed in. Students themselves will never been screened.

In the wake of shootings and child abductions, schools nationwide have been taking steps to tighten security, from installing metal detectors and video cameras to hiring extra guards. "


Don't parents have the right to regulate who has access to their children at school?

[Crossbow]

Originally posted by Jedi Knight
A public school in New Jersey (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A5208-2003Apr21.html) is using "Iris scanning" technology to keep "strangers" (Americans) out.

Now, this is leftism run Amok. A guy walks into the school to deliver cupcakes and forgets to sign in and now the school wants to turn it into a prison but through the looking glass--keeping America out!

It is America in name only.

JK

More of the vaunted JK logic at work!

Now if this system could be used to detect leftists, communists, terrorists, islamofascists, femminists, etc. then he would be all for it. However, since the system is something that may be applied to him, he is opposed to it.

JK's brains are being squeezed again, so he needs to loosen up his underpants!

[MRC_Hans]

I quite agree with JK: this is totally crazy. Something must be seriously wrong in a supposedly democratic society if public schools need, or percive the need, to use electronic control of visitor's ID. Actually even needing visitors to sign in is absurd.

I can't have an opinion on whether this is the fault of leftists (my knowledge of US domestic politics is too incomplete) but I understand that part of the problem is that some party has allowed too many private weapons about, while at the same time being unable to keep poverty, crime-rate and general discontent at bay. JK also mentioned something called feminazis; could they be at fault?

Hans

[Denise]

Originally posted by dmarker





Don't parents have the right to regulate who has access to their children at school?

Absolutely! I have to send my daughter to school, they should do as much as they can to provide her safety.

[a_unique_person]

Originally posted by Denise


Absolutely! I have to send my daughter to school, they should do as much as they can to provide her safety.

Children have been attacked at primary schools. Some basic commonsense security policies, such as having toilet blocks in secure areas, not sending children out by themselves, seem to suffice.

[Smalso]

I believe it would be hard to be too paranoid when it comes to protecting children. It doesn't hurt to prepare for the worse and hope the worse never happens.

[Jedi Knight]

Originally posted by Crossbow


More of the vaunted JK logic at work!

Now if this system could be used to detect leftists, communists, terrorists, islamofascists, femminists, etc. then he would be all for it. However, since the system is something that may be applied to him, he is opposed to it.

JK's brains are being squeezed again, so he needs to loosen up his underpants!

Maybe you think a police state is cool. I don't think it is.

You can't protect people from every "pseudo risk" that matriarchal totalitarians sweat about. You also don't want to. You don't want to teach children that the only way they are "safe" in American society is for "everyone else" to plant their eyes in a machine to "prove" who they are (date/time/location). Do we want to teach American citizens that all strangers (fellow citizens) are dangerous? That is what we are doing. Terrorist states do that to make societies appear more dangerous than they are, so the leadership cells of those states find it easier to terrorize the citizenry. Is that America? No way. Oh wait, everyone in America is "dangerous" as long as we don't talk about their skin color, right?

The school district should have taken that extortionist $269,000 and hired 10 armed security guards with it for the entire school year. They would be better off holding classes in a maximum security prison given the degree of paranoia they have.

That system is used for surveilliance and surveilliance only. It surprises me that so many who have replied in this forum think "surveilliance" is "cool and fashionable". But that is a trait of leftism so it doesn't surprise me. Stalin loved surveilliance in the name of "safety".

Also, parents have a right to see their kids when they want and can pull them out of school when they see fit to. This isn't Stalinist Russia. There are over 8 million students home-schooled with more every year. I can now see why because public schools are houses of horrors.

JK

[iain]

I agree with JK here, at least partly.

This sounds to me like people being sold the story that super new technology will solve all their problems. Not only will it not do so, but it will almost certainly be more expensive than superior "low tech" solutions such as having a human being checking passes.

It also reinforces the idea that the world is such a dangerous place we have to secure our children in schools to keep them safe. There may be a small number of places in the US where this is true, but I am sure that for the vast majority it is not.

Two problems I can see are :

1. False negatives could be a pain. This is where a genuine approved person cannot gain access. All the biometric systems have fairly high rates of false negatives.

2. It may stop someone creeping into the school unseen, but it doesn't stop someone bluffing their way in with false ID, a fake story etc.

[Tricky]

Come! Witness the amazing Jedi Knight. Watch as he twists himself into a pretzel in a single post!!!
Originally posted by Jedi Knight

Maybe you think a police state is cool. I don't think it is.

Then

Originally posted by Jedi Knight
The school district should have taken that extortionist $269,000 and hired 10 armed security guards with it for the entire school year.

:eek:

[Jedi Knight]

Originally posted by Tricky
Come! Witness the amazing Jedi Knight. Watch as he twists himself into a pretzel in a single post!!!


Then



:eek:

What is so surprising about it? They got their 300K for "security" from "unseen" dangers--why not hire some people with guns to give them that warm fuzzy feeling? It would be better for the community and humanize the police state action rather than roboticize it.

JK

[Crossbow]

Originally posted by Jedi Knight


Maybe you think a police state is cool. I don't think it is.

...

The school district should have taken that extortionist $269,000 and hired 10 armed security guards with it for the entire school year. They would be better off holding classes in a maximum security prison given the degree of paranoia they have.

That system is used for surveilliance and surveilliance only. It surprises me that so many who have replied in this forum think "surveilliance" is "cool and fashionable". But that is a trait of leftism so it doesn't surprise me. Stalin loved surveilliance in the name of "safety".

...

JK

No JK this just another example that you are too much of a moron to actually read the information you post. Take a look at this line from the article in question:

Students themselves will never been screened.

So, just what is so hard to understand?

And your concerns regarding the cost of the system clearly demonstrate your ignorance of the facts. The money to pay for this project comes from the US Justice Department which has been tasked with evaluating this technology. The money does not come from the school system, therefore it cannot be used to pay for security guards (or anything else).

A sleeping idiot is unable to earn respect.

[tamiO]

Public schools have been resembling prisons more and more. I can see both sides of it. While the new methods of security help people feel they are safer in schools, it also promotes an atmosphere of mistrust in the school.

I know that my daughter was amazed every time she visited the local high school. We homeschooled, but she went to the high school to help decorate and later attend Prom. She noticed right away that when she walked down the halls and smiled at teachers saying hello as they passed, she was met with silence and suspicion.

They have to do something to prevent freaks from coming into the schools and killing people, but sometimes I think that danger is overhyped. I live in an area that has a fairly high murder rate, but most murders are passionate crimes and involve family members and take place in the home.

[Denise]

Originally posted by tamiO
Public schools have been resembling prisons more and more. I can see both sides of it. While the new methods of security help people feel they are safer in schools, it also promotes an atmosphere of mistrust in the school.

I know that my daughter was amazed every time she visited the local high school. We homeschooled, but she went to the high school to help decorate and later attend Prom. She noticed right away that when she walked down the halls and smiled at teachers saying hello as they passed, she was met with silence and suspicion.

They have to do something to prevent freaks from coming into the schools and killing people, but sometimes I think that danger is overhyped. I live in an area that has a fairly high murder rate, but most murders are passionate crimes and involve family members and take place in the home.

Yes, but which came first the chicken or the egg so to speak. Some schools clearly posed a danger to students with students stabbing students etc. The security measures came after the fact IMHO.

[Lisa]

Oh but it gets sillier.
In the post school shooting hysteria, the schools here decided to issue all students ID badges. Sort of look like the security line badges I had in the military. They're to be worn on the outside of clothing, visible at all times.
Now let's back up a minute:
Number of times someone from outside the school has entered school property and caused problems = 0.
Number of times a student, who's authorized to be on school property has caused problems = daily.
IOW, the people who are causing the problems are the ones who are authorized to have the security badges in the first place. This rather pricey program was a band-aid over a sucking chest wound.

[Jedi Knight]

Originally posted by Crossbow


No JK this just another example that you are too much of a moron to actually read the information you post. Take a look at this line from the article in question:

Students themselves will never been screened.

So, just what is so hard to understand?

And your concerns regarding the cost of the system clearly demonstrate your ignorance of the facts. The money to pay for this project comes from the US Justice Department which has been tasked with evaluating this technology. The money does not come from the school system, therefore it cannot be used to pay for security guards (or anything else).

A sleeping idiot is unable to earn respect.

Well lefty, calling me names doesn't mean you understand what you are talking about--as this post you made demonstrates.

I already said that the children wouldn't be involved--that they would just be taught to mistrust all other Americans by the leftist system that incarcerates them eight hours per day. The intention of the "system" is not to "ID" the "children" but to only create suspicion in everyone "but the children". That is the community's response to "let's do it for the children."

Go ahead and teach those children that no one is to be trusted. It is leftist indoctrination into the Stalinist police state.

JK

[iain]

Originally posted by Lisa
Oh but it gets sillier.
In the post school shooting hysteria, the schools here decided to issue all students ID badges. Sort of look like the security line badges I had in the military. They're to be worn on the outside of clothing, visible at all times.
Now let's back up a minute:
Number of times someone from outside the school has entered school property and caused problems = 0.
Number of times a student, who's authorized to be on school property has caused problems = daily.
IOW, the people who are causing the problems are the ones who are authorized to have the security badges in the first place. This rather pricey program was a band-aid over a sucking chest wound. But at least when someone is attacked, they'll be able to identify their attacker by checking the name badge :D

[Jedi Knight]

Originally posted by tamiO
Public schools have been resembling prisons more and more. I can see both sides of it. While the new methods of security help people feel they are safer in schools, it also promotes an atmosphere of mistrust in the school.

I know that my daughter was amazed every time she visited the local high school. We homeschooled, but she went to the high school to help decorate and later attend Prom. She noticed right away that when she walked down the halls and smiled at teachers saying hello as they passed, she was met with silence and suspicion.

They have to do something to prevent freaks from coming into the schools and killing people, but sometimes I think that danger is overhyped. I live in an area that has a fairly high murder rate, but most murders are passionate crimes and involve family members and take place in the home.

Well Gosh, the only "freaks" killing in public schools are the "students" indoctrinated by leftists. Columbine, etc etc etc were all student-inspired murder sprees.

I guess I am missing the point where the "rest" of America needs to be "virus scanned". If anyone needs to be virus scanned it is the people running the houses of horrors known as American public schools. Then they need to be cranium scanned.

JK

[Jedi Knight]

Originally posted by Lisa
This rather pricey program was a band-aid over a sucking chest wound.

LOL I completely agree. It is unbelievable that so much un-American activity is allowed in public schools. It is time for politicians to straighten them out.

JK

[tamiO]

Originally posted by Jedi Knight


Well Gosh, the only "freaks" killing in public schools are the "students" indoctrinated by leftists. Columbine, etc etc etc were all student-inspired murder sprees.

I guess I am missing the point where the "rest" of America needs to be "virus scanned". If anyone needs to be virus scanned it is the people running the houses of horrors known as American public schools. Then they need to be cranium scanned.

JK

I honestly don't know who does most of the killings in public schools. I suspect it is mainly students with mental problems. I would think if a stranger or a teacher started going postal in a school we would have that all over CNN, as well.

School shootings have been so overhyped that parents feel scared that it will happen to their children at their school and want to be assured that no one will be allowed to enter the school and do such a thing. The school is also trying to protect itself from the lawsuits that will be filed if they are lax in security and do not do everything to protect the children they are legally responsible for.

It's just smart to have tight security, but I think scanning eyes is a bit silly, extreme and a waste of taxpayer money.

[Tmy]

What big waste of money. What are the odds that someone will present a fake ID in order to steal away some poor unsuspecting child???

I'm sick of everyone trying to babyproof the world. It reminds me of that lady on The Simpsons who's always chiming in "Won't someone think of the children!!"

People are to into there kids and they think everyone else should be too. If they really want to protect the kids they sould hire more guards and security to break up fights and such. Im sure the kids are more of a danger to each other. Instead everyone worries about the boggey man. Whats more common, kids stabbing-fighting-shooting each other or outsiders entering the school and harming the children?

[Crossbow]

Originally posted by Jedi Knight


Well lefty, calling me names doesn't mean you understand what you are talking about--as this post you made demonstrates.

I already said that the children wouldn't be involved--that they would just be taught to mistrust all other Americans by the leftist system that incarcerates them eight hours per day. The intention of the "system" is not to "ID" the "children" but to only create suspicion in everyone "but the children". That is the community's response to "let's do it for the children."

Go ahead and teach those children that no one is to be trusted. It is leftist indoctrination into the Stalinist police state.

JK

Poor thing! Poor, poor thing!

By refusing to answer the actual points raised is about as close as he ever gets to actually admitting that he is in error about something.

But have now doubt, he will soon be back ranting about some other newspaper article that he has not read.

In the meantime, I would like to remind everyone of something else he wrote the other day:

Originally posted by Jedi Knight


What I would really like to know is why you [Crossbow] are such a moron. That is what I would really like to know. Care to explain it to me?

JK

[Jedi Knight]

Originally posted by Crossbow


Poor thing! Poor, poor thing!

By refusing to answer the actual points raised is about as close as he ever gets to actually admitting that he is in error about something.

But have now doubt, he will soon be back ranting about some other newspaper article that he has not read.

In the meantime, I would like to remind everyone of something else he wrote the other day:



Well Crossbow, first you spam my threads, then you come into them and just call me names. You never contribute to the debate, just name-call, spam etc etc. Only morons do stuff like that, so naturally I asked you why you were a moron. Do us both a favor and never post in my threads again. One, you never understand what is being debated, and two, your contribution is always zero.

JK

[Nasarius]

Hey, Iris (http://www.eeye.com/html/Products/Iris/index.html) is a perfectly good product.

[Tmy]

Will Iris scans work if your wearing colored contacts?? Willtehy ban colored contacts? WON'T SOMEONE THINK OF THE CONTACTS!!!

[Lisa]

Before all this denigrates to name calling, can we kind of get back on track here?
School security: how much is too much? Someone has already pointed out the false positive/negative by the iris scan. I brought up the situation with the ID badges here. Unless a school is having a chronic problem with unauthorized people being on-campus, it's just a way to mess up an otherwise nice outfit.
Do you think we're trying to rely too much on technology? Next I expect to see all the detectors, scanners, and x-ray equipment now found in airports.
JK brought up the idea of simply hiring more security. A lot of people don't like that one because it gives a prison atmosphere to have uniformed guards wandering the hallways. Schools have gotten around this by authorizing the police officers to wear civilian attire.
Look I like technology. I'm a huge fan of technology. But since most school violence is student/student, I really don't think an iris scanner will detect dangerous tensions between individuals.

[Crossbow]

The purpose of the scanners is evaluate the equipment. No one expects that the scanners to be used as a standard security features throughout all the US public schools because they are far, far too costly.

However,
since there is already a need for a certian level of security at schools, and
since schools tend to have several vistors every day, and
since schools tend to have a large workforce, and
since schools tend to have quite a few students,
since schools already have a security program, and
since the school does not have to pay for the scanner;

Then,
it sounds like a good idea to field test the scanner equipment in a public school before the scanner is used in high-security areas as the primary means of identification.

Now then the question has been raised, could the money used in this project be better used elsewhere to improve school security?
That is a possible however is not the way federal grants work. When the budgets are written, the money is set aside for a specific use and cannot simply be transferred to be spent on something else.

[sadluxation]

I've heard of retinal scanners, iris scans sound a bit dodgy to me.

Anyone else have suspicions?
Retina's are slightly harder to forge.

Tmy said :
Will Iris scans work if your wearing colored contacts?? Will they ban colored contacts? WON'T SOMEONE THINK OF THE CONTACTS!!!

[jj]

Originally posted by Lisa

Number of times someone from outside the school has entered school property and caused problems = 0.
Number of times a student, who's authorized to be on school property has caused problems = daily.
IOW, the people who are causing the problems are the ones who are authorized to have the security badges in the first place. This rather pricey program was a band-aid over a sucking chest wound.

Now, LISA, what do you think you're doing here? You're applying logic, you must be a thinking person, therefore a leftist rightwing totalitarian or something equally unJedmeridcan. Watch out or Jedi McCarthy will be calling you in for a congressional hearing!

(in other words, I think you not only hit the nail on the head, you drove it all the way into the board in one whack)

[jj]

Originally posted by Jedi Knight


Well lefty, calling me names doesn't mean you understand what you are talking about--as this post you made demonstrates.

JK

You're unreal. You're against this program, created and supported by our present ultra-rightist government. How DARE you question the heroic unelected president?

That makes you a PURVEYOR OF LEFTISM!

Hey, everyone, Jedi is a LEFTIST now!

[Smalso]

Originally posted by jj


Now, LISA, what do you think you're doing here? You're applying logic, you must be a thinking person, therefore a leftist rightwing totalitarian or something equally unJedmeridcan. Watch out or Jedi McCarthy will be calling you in for a congressional hearing!

(in other words, I think you not only hit the nail on the head, you drove it all the way into the board in one whack)

What jj said.

[NightG1]

Originally posted by Jedi Knight

Also, parents have a right to see their kids when they want and can pull them out of school when they see fit to. This isn't Stalinist Russia. There are over 8 million students home-schooled with more every year. I can now see why because public schools are houses of horrors.

JK

And where does your 8 million number come from--the Journal of How to Invent Phoney Statistics?. The most reliable statistic I was able to find (after looking for 10 minutes using sources outside the home-school industry) puts the actual home-school student population at 700,000 and this includes 5-year olds. You just don't know when to stop, do you JK.

[Lisa]

And that's assuming that all 700,000 are homeschooled because of undesireable conditions at the public school. I have several neighbors who are homeschooling, at least for now, and our public schools are actually very nice. My neighbor's kids are very young, and we live quite a ways outside of town. For a few years at least my neighbors don't want the little tykes to have a 1 hour bus ride each direction.
Hardly a "house of horrors". Just a rural location.

[Jedi Knight]

Originally posted by NightG1


And where does your 8 million number come from--the Journal of How to Invent Phoney Statistics?. The most reliable statistic I was able to find (after looking for 10 minutes using sources outside the home-school industry) puts the actual home-school student population at 700,000 and this includes 5-year olds. You just don't know when to stop, do you JK.

The actual numbers of homeschooled students is between 1.5 and 2.5 million (http://nche.hslda.org/research/faq.asp#1). So what if I was a million off, give or take a digit or two. When you start talking in the millions, it just goes to show that folks are yanking kids out of schools faster than you can say Mississippi.

JK

[Ian Osborne]

Originally posted by Jedi Knight
So what if I was a million off, give or take a digit or two.

I wonder how long it will be before this turns up in someone's sig?

Oh, and that suggestion of switching to boxers still holds. Your underpants are DEFINITELY too tight...

[NightG1]

Originally posted by Jedi Knight


The actual numbers of homeschooled students is between 1.5 and 2.5 million (http://nche.hslda.org/research/faq.asp#1). So what if I was a million off, give or take a digit or two. When you start talking in the millions, it just goes to show that folks are yanking kids out of schools faster than you can say Mississippi.

JK

No, it means that you LIED. You made up a number to bolster some idoitic claim - again. Why you do this is anybody's guess but it does speak volumes about your character and honor.

[Crossbow]

Jedi Knight wrote


Well Crossbow, first you spam my threads, then you come into them and just call me names. You never contribute to the debate, just name-call, spam etc etc. Only morons do stuff like that, so naturally I asked you why you were a moron. Do us both a favor and never post in my threads again. One, you never understand what is being debated, and two, your contribution is always zero.

JK

Several hours later Jedi Knight wrote


The actual numbers of homeschooled students is between 1.5 and 2.5 million (http://nche.hslda.org/research/faq.asp#1). So what if I was a million off, give or take a digit or two. When you start talking in the millions, it just goes to show that folks are yanking kids out of schools faster than you can say Mississippi.

JK

First, JK needs to realize that he does not own any threads. Starting a thread is not the same thing as owning a thread, and if he is unable to follow that logic, then I would suggest that he consult the Forum Rules.

Second, I would like to point that JK and I contribute very different things and I am proud of that distinction.

Third, JK posts are often full of bad information that I am compelled to correct. Therefore, I will not honor his request to recuse myself from the threads that he starts.

Thanks to all!

[Upchurch]

Originally posted by Crossbow

Third, JK posts are often full of bad information that I am compelled to correct.
Let's see. 2 million +/- 6 million kids are home schooled, according to JK

Golly, Crossbow, he was only about 60%-80% off on his numbers, assuming that his second estimate is closer to the truth than the 700,000 (91% off). I mean, he's almost within an order of magnetude. :D

[Lisa]

JK has derailed his own thread. This whole subject got me thinking, so I did an informal poll of my friend who have school-age children. Turns out that safety and security at school is something these folks really worry about.
So. Shall we continue this thead? Or shall I start a new thread on School Security? You can keep this thread to pick on one another, and JK can continue to chew on stale vomit, I really don't care. I think this is an important issue. This is an issue we actually get a voice in, if you've registered to vote.

[Crossbow]

Originally posted by Upchurch

Let's see. 2 million +/- 6 million kids are home schooled, according to JK

Golly, Crossbow, he was only about 60%-80% off on his numbers, assuming that his second estimate is closer to the truth than the 700,000 (91% off). I mean, he's almost within an order of magnetude. :D

Belive it or not, that is about the most accurate he has ever been!

Anyone else remember when he claimed that 28% of GWI veterans were dead?

It turned out that about 1.1% had died, but he kept on insisting on the accuracy of his 28% figure.

Ugh!

[Jedi Knight]

Iris scanning technology (http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/Northeast/04/24/school.shooting/index.html) wouldn't have stopped this school shooting. Only armed security guards with metal detectors could have stopped this, or perhaps if the principal used his right to bear arms, he would be alive today.

JK