Patronising Attitudes to Jews

[a_unique_person]

I really do wonder how much of the attitudes shown by the likes of JK and Supercharts "I am a Jew", are just patronising claptrap.

I am not Jewish, or Palestinian. I try to see the participants in the current drama as people, with hopes and feelings, and, ultimately, a moral view of the world.

The European Jews suffered terribley in WWII. Jews in the US, however, also suffered discrimination for many years, as did Jews in other countries.

The Pro Israeli attitude reminds me of the 'Pro Black' attitude that has been parodied in many films. One of trying to help someone while understanding nothing about them or showing any real interest in them as individuals.

[Mel]

Originally posted by a_unique_person
I really do wonder how much of the attitudes shown by the likes of JK and Supercharts "I am a Jew", are just patronising claptrap.

What exactly are their "attitudes".... I don't understand what you are trying to say?


I am not Jewish, or Palestinian. I try to see the participants in the current drama as people, with hopes and feelings, and, ultimately, a moral view of the world.

As outsiders we can TRY to understand anothers viewpoint, but can never fully succeed. Perhaps when an 'outsider' has nothing personal at stake this prevents him from really understanding?

The Pro Israeli attitude reminds me of the 'Pro Black' attitude that has been parodied in many films. One of trying to help someone while understanding nothing about them or showing any real interest in them as individuals.

How can you compare parody (of any subject) with a serious stance?

[Supercharts]

Originally posted by a_unique_person
The European Jews suffered terribley in WWII. Jews in the US, however, also suffered discrimination for many years, as did Jews in other countries.

The Pro Israeli attitude reminds me of the 'Pro Black' attitude that has been parodied in many films. One of trying to help someone while understanding nothing about them or showing any real interest in them as individuals.

Interesting. An attempt to deconstruct the deaths of 5 million Jews.
I've often wondered if you could possibly be more of an ass*ole than you appear to be.
I'm never disappointed.
The "pro-black attitude"? You have crossed the line from being ignorant to the truely stupid.
Link me to JK?
:D Bwaahhaahaaa!:D

[Skeptic]

The Pro Israeli attitude reminds me of the 'Pro Black' attitude that has been parodied in many films.

Oh, I see. So you hate the evil, disgusting israel, but that's just because you don't want to "patronize" jews.

Gee, that makes sense.

And I hate the stupid, dirty ******* and wish the great continent of Africa could be rid of their ugly presence--but that's just because I don't want to have a "patronizing" attitude toward black people, you see.

[a_unique_person]

Originally posted by Skeptic
The Pro Israeli attitude reminds me of the 'Pro Black' attitude that has been parodied in many films.

Oh, I see. So you hate the evil, disgusting israel, but that's just because you don't want to "patronize" jews.

Gee, that makes sense.

And I hate the stupid, dirty ******* and wish the great continent of Africa could be rid of their ugly presence--but that's just because I don't want to have a "patronizing" attitude toward black people, you see.

You agree with JKs proposal to arm Israel with Nukes aimed at Europe?

Or 'I am a Jew' Supercharts?

[Mel]

Originally posted by a_unique_person


You agree with JKs proposal to arm Israel with Nukes aimed at Europe?



Personally, I think that's a ridiculous idea.......





they should be pointed towards their Arab neighbors.

[Jedi Knight]

Originally posted by a_unique_person


You agree with JKs proposal to arm Israel with Nukes aimed at Europe?

Or 'I am a Jew' Supercharts?

Israel is a democracy and that is the primary reason I support them. They have never turned their backs on the United States either.

I think it would be a smart move for the Jews to arm themselves with nuclear weapons and point them directly into the heart of Europe. The Europeans caused the war in Iraq. If the Europeans and other leftists in the United States didn't try to help the Islamofascists destroy Israel, Saddam Hussein would still be in power right now.

I guess we have to thank the left sort of for giving us the easy avenue to take Saddam out. :D

JK

[Jedi Knight]

Originally posted by Mel


Personally, I think that's a ridiculous idea.......





they should be pointed towards their Arab neighbors.

I am certain they have enough to take care of both problems. :D

JK

[Jedi Knight]

Originally posted by Supercharts
Link me to JK?
:D Bwaahhaahaaa!:D

lol

JK

[Mel]

Originally posted by Jedi Knight


I am certain they have enough to take care of both problems. :D

JK

LOL!!! Well..... ok.

Bon voyage, France! :p

[corplinx]

Originally posted by Jedi Knight


Israel is a democracy and that is the primary reason I support them. They have never turned their backs on the United States either.


I would like to point out that Israel has had at least one person caught conducting espionage for their government here in the US. They may not have ever turned their backs on the US, but I don't appreciate them looking over our shoulders either if you know what I mean.

[Mel]

Originally posted by corplinx


I would like to point out that Israel has had at least one person caught conducting espionage for their government here in the US. They may not have ever turned their backs on the US, but I don't appreciate them looking over our shoulders either if you know what I mean.

I wonder if there is ANY country that does not conduct intelligence on even their closest allies??

[Incitatus]

Originally posted by Jedi Knight


Israel is a democracy and that is the primary reason I support them. They have never turned their backs on the United States either.


JK

Particularly when they are stealing our military secrets.

[Jedi Knight]

Originally posted by Incitatus


Particularly when they are stealing our military secrets.

I am not aware of Israel stealing any military secrets, are you? In reality though, there are no secrets, are there?

JK

[a_unique_person]

Originally posted by Jedi Knight


I am not aware of Israel stealing any military secrets, are you? In reality though, there are no secrets, are there?

JK

Face it Jedi, there is no right/wrong in absolute terms when it comes to international politics. Israel has spied on the US, who spies on Israel. Israel was up to dirty dealings with South Africa, and trying to sell Russian helicopters to Turkey. Saddam and North Korea work on weapons that they should not be. Deals are done to sell arms to African nations by civilised European countries. It is one, big, hypocritical mess, that some men and women of good will try to turn around.

[Tricky]

Originally posted by Jedi Knight

I am not aware of Israel stealing any military secrets, are you? In reality though, there are no secrets, are there?

Gosh, Jedi. I thought you were always vigilant about threats to the US. Surely you didn't miss this (http://www.washington-report.org/backissues/0194/9401010.htm).
According to court records, Pollard's spy activities compromised a record number of classified documents, and provided his Israeli handlers with descriptions of covert intelligence programs, the identities of undercover Mideast agents, and technical assessments of radar and other military electronic equipment used by Israel's Arab neighbors.

In a court affidavit, then-Secretary of Defense Caspar Weinberger said: ''[It is] difficult for me to conceive of a greater harm to national security than that caused by Pollard in view of the breadth, the critical importance to the U.S., and the high sensitivity of the information he sold to Israel."

[Jedi Knight]

Originally posted by a_unique_person


Face it Jedi, there is no right/wrong in absolute terms when it comes to international politics. Israel has spied on the US, who spies on Israel. Israel was up to dirty dealings with South Africa, and trying to sell Russian helicopters to Turkey. Saddam and North Korea work on weapons that they should not be. Deals are done to sell arms to African nations by civilised European countries. It is one, big, hypocritical mess, that some men and women of good will try to turn around.

What you don't get is that military development is now done between corporations that are located in many different nation-states who work on the project at the same time. It is becoming very difficult to control military research...or keep secrets since leftists seem to be sending them all to China anyway. Read "Betrayal" by Gertz.

JK

[Richard G]

I try to see the participants in the current drama as people, with hopes and feelings, and, ultimately, a moral view of the world.

Then you are blind.

[Tmy]

If i said somthing like "The arab hostility towards the US is rooted in our backing of Isreal" would that be considered an offensive statement?

I enjoy talking about the Isreal Palistine conflict cause I think its an interesting topic. Unfortunately this is difficult to do because its so easy to get tagged as an anti-semitie should you debate Israeli tactics.

Do you find it easier to talk about race issues than to talk about Isreali-Palistine conflict?

[Skeptic]

I try to see the participants in the current drama as people, with hopes and feelings, and, ultimately, a moral view of the world.

"Morality is knowing when to lie and deceive"--AUP, recommending that Mr. "Shroud of Akron" teach his children to lie about their atheism.

[Skeptic]

If i said somthing like "The arab hostility towards the US is rooted in our backing of Isreal" would that be considered an offensive statement?

No, it wouldn't be offensive. It would just be factually wrong.

The entire israel/palestine issue is of little essential importance to the Wahhabists of Saudi Arabia and their students, like Bin Laden & co., who are the main proponents of hatered of America in the Arab (and more generally the Muslim) world.

The real reasons for hate are the fact that America's presence as a succesful "infidel" nation makes it harder to convert the whole world to 7th-century islam through force.

[Tmy]

Is that the whole "they hate our lifestyle" argument? What proof us there for that theory?

If they hate western society wouldnt they target all western nations? Why such an emphasis on the US and not.......Canada.

[Skeptic]

Originally posted by Tmy
Is that the whole "they hate our lifestyle" argument? What proof us there for that theory?

If they hate western society wouldnt they target all western nations? Why such an emphasis on the US and not.......Canada.

So unless they target ALL of the west AT ONCE, the threory that they hate western life is false?

Of course, they attack the US first because it is the most powerful western country, hence their greatest enemy--or, as the Ayatollah Humeini used to say, the "great Satan".

Besides, they DO attack, if not Canada, at least Europe, all the time. There are many terrorist cells in Europe, and the clerics in Saudi arabia already are making speeches about the coming muslim takeover of it.

For example, recently a certain cleric in Saudi Arabia made a nice speech on how they will force the Vatican and the Pope to pay Jizya (a tax on non-muslims) or convert to Islam.

[Tmy]

Alright I'll agree that our heritic lifestyle is A reason. I still dont think its THE reason. Rarely is there one simple reason. Do you think my statement about the US's Israeli backing is "factually wrong"? That it has nothinng to do with arab-US hostilities?

[JAR]

I think that the liberals hatred of Israel ties into their love of groups such as African-Americans, Mexican-Americans and Native American Indians and their hatred of European-Americans. Once an ethnic group's standard of living rises significantly, the liberals turn against it.

[a_unique_person]

Originally posted by Skeptic
I try to see the participants in the current drama as people, with hopes and feelings, and, ultimately, a moral view of the world.

"Morality is knowing when to lie and deceive"--AUP, recommending that Mr. "Shroud of Akron" teach his children to lie about their atheism.

You don't think school is a jungle? Now who's being naieve.

[a_unique_person]

Originally posted by Skeptic


So unless they target ALL of the west AT ONCE, the threory that they hate western life is false?

Of course, they attack the US first because it is the most powerful western country, hence their greatest enemy--or, as the Ayatollah Humeini used to say, the "great Satan".

Besides, they DO attack, if not Canada, at least Europe, all the time. There are many terrorist cells in Europe, and the clerics in Saudi arabia already are making speeches about the coming muslim takeover of it.

For example, recently a certain cleric in Saudi Arabia made a nice speech on how they will force the Vatican and the Pope to pay Jizya (a tax on non-muslims) or convert to Islam.

Wouldn't you target the weakest?

[Skeptic]

Originally posted by a_unique_person


Wouldn't you target the weakest?

Converting Monaco to Islam for the greater glory of Allah just doesn't have the same ring to it, does it?

[Tmy]

Originally posted by Skeptic


Converting Monaco to Islam for the greater glory of Allah just doesn't have the same ring to it, does it?

Its about time somebody did somthing about that den of sin!

[a_unique_person]

Originally posted by Skeptic


Converting Monaco to Islam for the greater glory of Allah just doesn't have the same ring to it, does it?

Monaco also doesn't treat the world like it's strategic playground.