Woo of the Week

[Badly Shaved Monkey]

We've not done this for a while, bu the prize goes to Sheri Nakken at OtherHealth;

http://www.otherhealth.com/showthread.php?p=64100

She has fearlessly swallowed every piece of conspiracy theory and paranoid nonsense in medicine and washed it down with a good dose of magically enhanced water.

We salute you Sheri as a perfect example of the rule that states- if you really believe one stupid thing there is nothing holding you back from believing a hundred.

[Rolfe]

Wow. I was just waiting for the homoeopaths to get onto this bandwagon. I mean it's got the lot. Potential to run a huge anti-vax campaign, and potential to corner lots of frightened people who might not have a huge amount of help from real medicine on this one. How soon before we hear about the great success of homoeopathy in the typhoid epidemic of 18-dot, and various wildly differing suggestions for the genus epidemicus?

Or should they play the denial card, and denounce the epidemiologists as scare-mongers? So hard to know which way to jump!

I don't like the way this is escalating into a full-blown scare-story (mainly because I see the effect on elderly people, some of whom are becoming despondent, convinced that they're bound to die of bird flu this year or next, based on the tenor of some of the reports). I mean, suppose it's all true, what can individuals possibly do about it anyway? On the other hand it's genuine news and ought not to be suppressed. But whichever way you slice it, Sheri is just a hoot.

Sorry, not meaning to hijack this, there are plenty threads to debate whether or not a panic is justified, let's keep this one for observing the homoeopaths' reaction to the situation.

Rolfe.

[c4ts]

The Tyson Chicken company wanted her to move to China???

I bet those conniving Reptoids had something to do with it.

[Soapy Sam]

"Greece and a few other countries which did not accept the vaccines were the only ones which were not hit by the flu. Doesn't that prove something?"

Vaccination induced flu is not infectious across borders?

Don't trust Greeks bearing gifts from pharmaceutical companies?

I dunno , Sheri. What DOES that prove?

[Eos of the Eons]

Oh yay. The link to "redflags" is telltale as well.

1. Are we sure that is what killed them? Did they really test these people?


Uhhhhhhhhh...

Yeah...we just pretend that people were killed by h5n1. We don't try to verify it, never ever, nuh uh.

Bwahhhhhaaaa! My hubby's name is Tyson.

[Euromutt]

"Greece and a few other countries which did not accept the vaccines were the only ones which were not hit by the flu. Doesn't that prove something?"Whoops! Greece just confirmed the first case of H5N1 in the European Union! (I've made too few posts to link, but just Google it.)
Maybe it does prove something...

[Eos of the Eons]

Bird flu is confirmed in Greece

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4348404.stm

:eye-poppi

:jaw-dropp


It's a bird conspiracy against antivaccinators!!:gasp: :hypnotize

[Soapy Sam]

I thought birds flew SOUTH in the winter. Does bird flew screw up their sense of direction? Why are these loons headed WEST?

[Jeff Corey]

'Cause they're looney.

[BLACK HAT]

I thought birds flew SOUTH in the winter. Does bird flew screw up their sense of direction? Why are these loons headed WEST?

They're westing before their wong fwight.

[Euromutt]

It just occurred to me to wonder whether any Creationists (and I include ID proponents among that number) are concerned about H5N1. After all, if evolution is "only a theory," the virus shouldn't be able to mutate into a form which can be spread from human to human, right?

[Eos of the Eons]

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/40912000/gif/_40912688_birdflu_latest.gif

Migratory patterns and affected areas.

[Eos of the Eons]

It just occurred to me to wonder whether any Creationists (and I include ID proponents among that number) are concerned about H5N1. After all, if evolution is "only a theory," the virus shouldn't be able to mutate into a form which can be spread from human to human, right?


They more have a problem with macroevolution. ID proponents say ID is vital to macroevolution. YEC proponents will embrace microevolution, and maybe macroevolution if ID is the "cause".

[richardm]

I thought birds flew SOUTH in the winter. Does bird flew screw up their sense of direction? Why are these loons headed WEST?
According to the Daily Mail it is because they are Eastern European scroungers who are flying to Britain to get free treatment on the NHS.

It is only freeloading birds who have already managed to sneak into our country who fly South, using taxpayer's money to pay for winter holidays for them and their numerous illegitimate chicks.

Meanwhile, our own plucky pensioner ducks freeze to death on underfunded council lakes, while gangs of loutish tearaway geese hang around on street corners being counselled by lesbian swans.

I'm voting RSPB next time around :mad:

[Brahe]

It just occurred to me to wonder whether any Creationists (and I include ID proponents among that number) are concerned about H5N1. After all, if evolution is "only a theory," the virus shouldn't be able to mutate into a form which can be spread from human to human, right?
"Yeah, but it's still just a virus."

Seems that a prominant IDist by the name of Luskin posted an article on this subject here: Avian Flu: An Example of Evolution? (http://www.evolutionnews.org/index.php?p=901&more=1&c=1&tb=1&pb=1#more901)*. Needless to say, it was full of errors. Tara Smith responded at her Aetiology blog (http://aetiology.blogspot.com/) here: Intelligently designed avian flu? (http://aetiology.blogspot.com/2005/10/intelligently-designed-avian-flu.html). And of course, the guys at The Panda's Thumb (http://www.pandasthumb.org/) discuss it here (http://www.pandasthumb.org/archives/2005/10/intelligently_d.html).

* - link not working for me at this time.

[Anti_Hypeman]

For next week I nominate

www.medicinewithoutapill.com

[Eos of the Eons]

She's selling a book too. She claims to be an MD. The terminology on the site suggests otherwise.

[Melendwyr]

It just occurred to me to wonder whether any Creationists (and I include ID proponents among that number) are concerned about H5N1. After all, if evolution is "only a theory," the virus shouldn't be able to mutate into a form which can be spread from human to human, right? Any evolutionary change which has been observed is dismissed as "microevolution". Any change which has yet to be observed is labeled "macroevolution" and asserted to be impossible.

We could verify such a mutation... therefore, it's only "microevolution". So sayeth the Creationists.

[c4ts]

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/40912000/gif/_40912688_birdflu_latest.gif

Migratory patterns and affected areas.

Aaaah! A chemtrail map!

[Rolfe]

I see the woos have now settled on panicking that they are more afraid of the vaccine than of the disease. And decided that when a really virulent strain of the virus emerges, this will be because of the vaccine.

Oh yes, and homoeopaths lost virtually none of their patients during the 1919 flu epidemic. With no documentary evidence to back up that quote why am I not surprised.

Rolfe.

[Bronze Dog]

Any evolutionary change which has been observed is dismissed as "microevolution". Any change which has yet to be observed is labeled "macroevolution" and asserted to be impossible.

We could verify such a mutation... therefore, it's only "microevolution". So sayeth the Creationists.
I'm considering trading in my car for a set of Creationist goal posts. As much as they move, they must get good gas mileage.

[Ohmer]

Oh yes, and homoeopaths lost virtually none of their patients during the 1919 flu epidemic. With no documentary evidence to back up that quote why am I not surprised.
I'd be willing to bet that they only lost about 2% of their flu patients. ;)

[Badly Shaved Monkey]

I've just gone back to the link from my OP after reading Rolfe's post. They really are wheeling all the nutters out on his one. Wow!

[Badly Shaved Monkey]

I've not frequented the hom boards much recently. Dealing with them in the abstract, it's easy to forget that they're not just wrong about homeopathy. A lot of them are that special kind of stupid-crazy that means they believe any paranoid nonsense.

[brodski]

forgive me if I'm getting my sCAMs mixed up here, but I though that traditional homeopaths didn't belive in pilogical agenst causing diseases, i thaught that they velievd in doisturbances in "vital essence" or soem such nonsence.

why all the talk abbout recerating strands of flu or flu evolving?

I tried to regester to ask them, but theri system wont let me. I don't knoe why, im not even that muck of a sceptic :D.

[c4ts]

I dunno. The birds spread bad ki that was created by corporate greed?

[kmortis]

For next week I nominate

www.medicinewithoutapill.com

I second that nomination. If for no other reason that anyone who will willingly call themselves "Prophetess" {fill in the blank} MD is a wacko of a different stripe. THEN to start your "medical" site off with a bibilical quote and an assertation that illness is caused by UNFORGIVENESS???:jaw-dropp

[Badly Shaved Monkey]

From the link in the OP;

"In my experience, the acute ability of homeopathy is much neglected in the homeopathic schools and in many practices to our own detriment. It is the area where we can most easily show what we can do. It's pretty hard to argue for placebo effect when a fever of 105 is reduced in a matter of 10 mins and the previously delerious patient opens their eyes and asks for a drink. Spontaneous remission maybe? Coincidence? Well not time and time again in exactly the same circumstances etc etc ad nauseum! :)

Carol Boyce BSc(Hons), LCH, MCH, CCH
Director of Education
The Homeopathic Symposium"

Funny how it never happens when there is someone standing by with a clipboard and some placebo controls.

Weird, huh!

[brodski]

Funny how it never happens when there is someone standing by with a clipboard and some placebo controls.

Weird, huh!
This is where you get it wrong, placebos are actually highly potent homeopathic substances. I mean, there is no chance of any of the placebos containing any trace of eth homeopathic "remedy", therefore they must be stronger than the "real" homeopathic remedies, as these have at least some chance of containing traces of the original tincture, no matter how small. And as we all know, the less likely it is that a preparation has any trace of the original remedy in it, the stringer the homeopathic "effect". :))

[Mojo]

I see the woos have now settled on panicking that they are more afraid of the vaccine than of the disease. And decided that when a really virulent strain of the virus emerges, this will be because of the vaccine.

Oh yes, and homoeopaths lost virtually none of their patients during the 1919 flu epidemic. With no documentary evidence to back up that quote why am I not surprised.Remember this nonsense (http://www.whale.to/vaccine/sf1.html)?

Plus ca change... :rolleyes:

[Badly Shaved Monkey]

It is always worth watching the antics of the homeopaths on their home turf. This week's nominee is an old favourite- Leela, for this, quite spectacular display of rudeness;

http://www.hpathy.com/homeopathyforums/forum_posts.asp?TID=3519

Poor bloke was only asking a question.

But a close second is this one;

http://www.hpathy.com/homeopathyforums/forum_posts.asp?TID=3389

It's not a new thread, but funny enough to be worth bringing it up from obscurity. Oh, the evils of mastrubation [sic]! And watch out for those lesbians they don't seem to be able to stop themselves.

This, folks, is what passes for medicine in the world of woo.

[Badly Shaved Monkey]

Damnit, we have a late, third, entry. It's Sheri Nakken again;

http://www.hpathy.com/homeopathyforums/forum_posts.asp?TID=3599

Just the title of the thread should be enough for her to win the prize.

Come on, people- vote soon, vote often ;). Who is it to be?

[Rolfe]

BSM, have you seen this?
http://www.hpathy.com/homeopathyforums/forum_posts.asp?TID=3151&PN=1

Unless Ji-yoona is you, then I want to find out who she is and strangle the stupid little bitch.

Rolfe.

[Rolfe]

Damnit, we have a late, third, entry. It's Sheri Nakken again;

http://www.hpathy.com/homeopathyforums/forum_posts.asp?TID=3599

Just the title of the thread should be enough for her to win the prize.Not a valid entry. I know the date is today, but it is a repost of a tirade I've certainly read already.

Rolfe.

[Rolfe]

Sorry, but there's just so much there. Leela draws ahead with this display of ignorance.But I could not understand what exactly was a herniated diaphragm - otherwise I could have suggested something. Where has the diaphragm herniated into?http://www.hpathy.com/homeopathyforums/forum_posts.asp?TID=3251&PN=1

Rolfe.

[Badly Shaved Monkey]

Sorry, but there's just so much there. Leela draws ahead with this display of ignorance.http://www.hpathy.com/homeopathyforums/forum_posts.asp?TID=3251&PN=1

Rolfe.

Wow!! Too late to join my poll and I now regret voting the way I did.

"Well that explains the whole clinical symptomatology much better than a 'herniated diaphragm' ... I just couldn't connet the two."

You feckin' stupid stupid stupid stupid woo.

[Badly Shaved Monkey]

BSM, have you seen this?
http://www.hpathy.com/homeopathyforums/forum_posts.asp?TID=3151&PN=1

Unless Ji-yoona is you, then I want to find out who she is and strangle the stupid little bitch.

Rolfe.

Sydney, 2004 graduate. So, not the fault of a UK vet school.

[Mojo]

BSM, have you seen this?
http://www.hpathy.com/homeopathyforums/forum_posts.asp?TID=3151&PN=1

Unless Ji-yoona is you, then I want to find out who she is and strangle the stupid little bitch. Since she seems to be in the UK, doesn't the "cascade" thingy affect her?

[Mojo]

For sheer irony, I quite like Manish Bhatia's second post in this thread: http://www.hpathy.com/homeopathyforums/forum_posts.asp?TID=3598I just want to forewarn you that there has been NO scientific study on the use of homeopathic medicines as contraceptives. No body knows how effective they are ..if they are at all effective for this purpose.

[Rolfe]

Since she seems to be in the UK, doesn't the "cascade" thingy affect her?Sure, and she can ignore it and not be censured just the same way they all do. One day we may persuade our regulatory bodies to get their heads out of the sand. Maybe.

Rolfe.

[Badly Shaved Monkey]

Sure, and she can ignore it and not be censured just the same way they all do. One day we may persuade our regulatory bodies to get their heads out of the sand. Maybe.

Rolfe.

Oh, that's sand, is it? Looked kinda brown and puckered to me.

[moopet]

I just *had* to sign up for otherhealth.com :)

[Rolfe]

For sheer irony, I quite like Manish Bhatia's second post in this thread: http://www.hpathy.com/homeopathyforums/forum_posts.asp?TID=3598To be fair, his responses make sense in homoeopathic terms, and they're not dangerous. You can't say that about these guys very often.

Rolfe.

[brodski]

To be fair... snip...

but why be fair to this gaggle of fools and frauds? that's no fun at all. :D

[Rolfe]

Damnit, we have a late, third, entry. It's Sheri Nakken again;

http://www.hpathy.com/homeopathyforums/forum_posts.asp?TID=3599

Just the title of the thread should be enough for her to win the prize.

Come on, people- vote soon, vote often ;). Who is it to be?I KNEW this was an invalid entry! BSM, look back at your own OP on this thread, from a couple of weeks ago. http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?postid=1230724#post1230724

This is the IDENTICAL post, but at Otherhealth rather than H'pathy. I'm sure the 1976 revision of Ebbutt's 1962 appendix makes it quite clear that woos are not allowed to re-enter with an identical re-post.

Rolfe.

[Badly Shaved Monkey]

I KNEW this was an invalid entry! BSM, look back at your own OP on this thread, from a couple of weeks ago. http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?postid=1230724#post1230724

This is the IDENTICAL post, but at Otherhealth rather than H'pathy. I'm sure the 1976 revision of Ebbutt's 1962 appendix makes it quite clear that woos are not allowed to re-enter with an identical re-post.

Rolfe.

Fair point. Spamming is cheating.