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aerocontrols
3rd February 2003, 07:07 AM
Story (http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/01/28/1043534050248.html)

For the record I am a mechanical engineer who spent over two years at a British Aerospace guided missile R&D site in the early 1980s and have continued to take a strong interest in aerospace technology. I am a member of ASRI (Australian Space Research Institute). I am not a crank.

The author claims that the UK and Australia are supporting the American effort to remove Saddam Hussein because we've offered them anti-gravity technology. He asserts the existence of anti-grav because he doesn't believe the B-2 would fly without it, and claims that some of the tech that the US claims creates 'stealth' actually creates some imperfect anti-grav.

To his credit, he shows a good knowledge of former US black projects, but I think his evidence of anti-grav is unconvincing.

He claims it's underpowered, with a thrust to weight ratio of 0.2. This is pretty low, but he seems to be comparing it to the T/W ratio of conventional aircraft. The B-52 has a T/W ratio of around 0.3, while a fighter typically has T/W > 1. Here is an example (http://www.fas.org/nuke/guide/usa/bomber/b-49.htm) of a flying wing (built in the '40s). Do the math and we find:

(8 engines x 3750 lbs. thrust each)/194000 lbs = 0.15

perhaps T/W = 0.2 isn't so unreasonable after all?

So what do you think? Disregarding (or not) the conspiratorial tone, is anti-grav impossible, far off, nearby, or yesterday's news?

MattJ

The Don
3rd February 2003, 07:12 AM
T'would be interesting to know about in what capacity he was working there.

He may also have has a number of "episodes" since as well

Jon_in_london
3rd February 2003, 07:14 AM
So far I havent seen any plausible mechanism for the operation of an anti-grav drive. soo...
wooo woooo!!!!

aerocontrols
3rd February 2003, 07:22 AM
Originally posted by Jon_in_london
So far I havent seen any plausible mechanism for the operation of an anti-grav drive. soo...
wooo woooo!!!!

Does anyone else believe that the reason that the reason for many US research projects into questionable fields is simply CYA in case the field turns out to bear fruit?

Anti-grav, experiments in telepathy, etc... "just in case" research?

Dragonrock
3rd February 2003, 07:41 AM
For the record I am a mechanical engineer who spent over two years at a British Aerospace guided missile R&D site in the early 1980s and have continued to take a strong interest in aerospace technology. I am a member of ASRI (Australian Space Research Institute). I am not a crank.

This reminds me of the "we never went to the moon" nut who claims his membership in MENSA as proof that he can't be wrong.

richardm
3rd February 2003, 07:57 AM
Originally posted by The Don
T'would be interesting to know about in what capacity he was working there.


Well, somebody's got to man the gatehouse, haven't they?

arcticpenguin
3rd February 2003, 08:24 AM
Robet Park likes to point out that the existence of an anti-gravity device would make perpetual motion machines possible.

aerocontrols
3rd February 2003, 08:34 AM
Originally posted by arcticpenguin
Robet Park likes to point out that the existence of an anti-gravity device would make perpetual motion machines possible.

Really? Doesn't that depend on the energy consumed by the anti-grav device?

MRC_Hans
4th February 2003, 10:51 AM
Originally posted by aerocontrols


Really? Doesn't that depend on the energy consumed by the anti-grav device? Of course! But on that account, we've had anti-grav devices for a century: Aircraft. In other words, if the antigrav device consumes at least as much energy as it would have taken to lift the load using conventional means, its not that sensational in practice. Of course, the theory implied could still be valuable.

Hans

Keneke
5th February 2003, 09:22 AM
Originally posted by MRC_Hans
In other words, if the antigrav device consumes at least as much energy as it would have taken to lift the load using conventional means, its not that sensational in practice. Hans
Drat, there goes my helium-filled balloon money-maker. Ooooo, it rises! No work goes into it! PMM! Woowoo!

::sigh::

MRC_Hans
5th February 2003, 10:05 AM
Heheh, actually, for the helium balloon, the problem is getting it DOWN. But basically, it's the same problem ;)

Hans

c4ts
5th February 2003, 06:31 PM
The fact that a specific airplane flies is proof of antigrav? http://www.texastoys.com/site/woowoo.gif

xouper
11th February 2004, 10:43 AM
bump