Closed Mindedness

[bagtaggar]

You might find this entertaining:

http://www.cs.wisc.edu/~kovar/close-minded.html

Imagine you are engaged in heated debate with a nitwit. Perhaps he insists that the tiny amount of electromagnetic radiation produced by small appliances is life-threatening. Maybe he claims that science - science! - proves that ancient, unprincipled medical practices are still relevant today. Possibly he asserts that telepathy and ESP are firmly grounded in modern physics. You've probably been taught to suffer such brainlessness, to be "open-minded" lest you endure the scorn of a society that ham-handedly stuffs tolerance down your throat. Maybe you've even managed to convince yourself that there is benefit in listening patiently to views that conflict violently with common sense. After all, how can you accurately judge a person's ideas unless you hear their entire line of reasoning? Didn't everyone call Einstein crazy? Don't you risk missing out on a superior and revolutionary way of thinking? It's best, it might seem, to simply hear them out before passing judgment.

Edited to comply with Rule 4

[Luke T.]

:D

Although you will probably be hearing something about copyright real soon. CAUSE I'M PSYCHIC, THAT'S WHY!!!

[hammegk]

Yes indeedy ... Darat & Parrots are very very very concerned about copyrights. :boxedin:

[bagtaggar]

Maybe I'm missing a joke. I quoted an article and provided the link where I got the article. How is this copyright infraction?

[GodMark2]

Maybe I'm missing a joke. I quoted an article and provided the link where I got the article. How is this copyright infraction?

Quoting pieces of an article = OK (fair use clause)
Reproducing the entire work = NOT OK

Basic principles of copyright.

[GzuzKryzt]

...
I quoted an article and provided the link where I got the article. How is this copyright infraction?

And how "is" this different from the behaviour your blame Kilik for?

[Lisa Simpson]

Bagtagger--rule four states "You will not post "copyright-protected" material in its entirety. The JREF has adopted a policy of considering all published material copyrighted, it is not the responsibility of the JREF to determine whether or not the work is in the public domain or if the work may be republished without explicit permission of the copyright holder. Copyrighted content may be posted within the doctrine of "fair use" therefore quoting of brief portions of articles, books, emails, or bulletin board messages, relevant to discussion, is permitted. All quoted material should be credited to the original author or publisher and a link provided (when available) to the original work. It is not possible to declare precisely how much material may be quoted, as it will vary from article to article. We suggest quoting no more than a paragraph. Authors of articles may post their own work, provided they hold publishing rights to the material."

Please edit your post, or if you cannot, a mod can do it for you
ETA: since bagtagger doesn't appear to be online at this time, I edited the post.

[bagtaggar]

Oh ok. My bad, sorry folks. Negligence on my part.

Thanks to the mods for editing.

[LordoftheLeftHand]

Quoting pieces of an article = OK (fair use clause)
Reproducing the entire work = NOT OK

Basic principles of copyright.

Just a question to help us who don't know much about copyrights: What percentage of an article is considered fair use? Are there any guidelines or "rules of thumb"?

Thanks,

LLH

*edited to insert a missing word

[Francois Tremblay]

Um... wrong. It's not a breach of copyright if it's for education purposes. You can copy entire books, depending on what it's used for.

[bob_kark]

Well, according to:

http://www.copyright.gov/fls/fl102.html

The US Government's copyright website, basically states that there's no number of words or percentage of text set in stone that violates the "fair use" clause. However it does elude to the point that usage of a copywritten work in its entirety, even for educational purposes, could constitute copyright infringement. They basically state that you should contact the owner of the work or an attorney if you're unable to contact the owner.

[bob_kark]

Oh and by the way, every time I see Lord of the Left Hand's avatar, I want to either wave hello or give him a high five. Today, I'll wave. Hello!

[Batman Jr.]

Didn't everyone call Einstein crazy? Don't you risk missing out on a superior and revolutionary way of thinking? It's best, it might seem, to simply hear them out before passing judgment.
To adapt what John Stuart Mill once said of stupidity and conservatism, not all initially-crazy-sounding ideas are stupid, but most stupid ideas are initially crazy-sounding.

[drkitten]

Um... wrong. It's not a breach of copyright if it's for education purposes. You can copy entire books, depending on what it's used for.

And where did you attend law school?

[Jeff Corey]

Whatsamatta U.?

[LordoftheLeftHand]

Well, according to:

http://www.copyright.gov/fls/fl102.html

The US Government's copyright website, basically states that there's no number of words or percentage of text set in stone that violates the "fair use" clause. However it does elude to the point that usage of a copywritten work in its entirety, even for educational purposes, could constitute copyright infringement. They basically state that you should contact the owner of the work or an attorney if you're unable to contact the owner.

I was afraid there was no simple answer. Oh well. I'll try to limit myself to a paragraph or 2.

LLH

(waves back at bob_kark)

[Soapy Sam]

What if we link to a website containing the article? Or link to a website which itself contains a link to the article?

ie How far back must we stand to be in the JREF comfort zone?

[Pope130]

"Everyone said Einstein was crazy."
"No they didn't."
"Well, they would have if he acted like this."
Dr. Noah, Casino Royale.

[hammegk]

Oh moderator -- moderator... are you sure that LordoftheLeftHand & bob_kark didn't break the copyright law???? ;)

[Kiless]

bunchalinks in this thread here - http://206.225.95.123/forumlive/showthread.php?t=47187

[GzuzKryzt]

Again, bagtaggar, how does your OP differ from what you accuse Kilik of?