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BJQ87
9th November 2005, 06:07 PM
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051106/ap_on_sc/israel_ancient_church

Ceritus
9th November 2005, 06:10 PM
Thats pretty neat. Its always good to find ancient things because it allows us to see the dellusions our ancestors had which allows us to learn from them!

Kopji
9th November 2005, 09:22 PM
Seems a little ironic that with Israel's need for tourist dollars the site is inside a maximum security prison.

The mosaic is very beautiful and seems well preserved. Doesn't appear to be a secret room of a persecuted sect though. Not too worried about the Christianity thing?

David Swidler
10th November 2005, 12:55 AM
That's actually the main objection some archaeologists have to the dating of the find. If the Romans persecuted Christians, what Roman officer in his right mind would sponsor such a church so publicly? The hypothesis that the building was converted to a church later on seems not to fit the structural evidence, based on the little I've read. It's an interesting puzzle.

PatKelley
10th November 2005, 06:35 AM
Does it throw doubt on the church or the persecutions? The inscription was dedicated to "the god, Jesus Christ" - which would represent a bit of a different take on christianity by some Romans as another god worthy of a temple, worship and ceremony.

Beerina
10th November 2005, 01:29 PM
Razilo [the prisioner who discovered the churgh], who is serving a two-year sentence for traffic violations,

WTF?!?!? I presume he did something like reckless manslaughter with a vehicle, though calling that a "traffic violation" is a bit odd.

"This was a time of persecution and in this way it is quite surprising that there would be such a blatant expression of Christ in a mosaic, but it may be the very reason why the church was destroyed," Pfann said.

Well, though legalization of Christianity was "decades" later, we should not presume it was a homogenous and slow increase, but rather that in various areas, it's public acceptance would go in fits and starts, until it achieved such a critical mass that the emperor declared it legal lest major uprisings occur.

Pope130
10th November 2005, 04:34 PM
Beerina,
"Two years for traffic violations" struck me too. Seems harsh. Note to self, study traffic laws very carefully before next visit to Israel.

Mason
10th November 2005, 05:57 PM
"Two Years for Traffic Violations" could possibly mean "Two years for multiple counts of operating a motor vehicle on the sidewalk at the local mall during peak shopping hours while in a drunken stupor", and showing an inability to pay the fines associated with such conduct.

Or, maybe they take their "No turn on Red" signs reeeeeealy seriously...