Boycott Kilik

[bagtaggar]

Until Kilik presents his argument in the format we have requested, I recommend that no one respond to any of his threads or posts. Even myself, though tempted I may be.

All in favor say "aye".

Those opposed "naye".

[vbloke]

a resounding
AYE!

[Spektator]

aye

[Jeff Corey]

Aye!

[Cleon]

Meh.

[El_Spectre]

Until Kilik presents his argument in the format we have requested, I recommend that no one respond to any of his threads or posts. Even myself, though tempted I may be.

All in favor say "aye".

Those opposed "naye".

Isn't this a bit silly? Look, people say a lot of nonsense here... if you don't want to deal with them, don't... but some kind of organized-shunning seems pretty weak.

I know a lot of folks have invested a lot of time in these boards, and I respect that. I also acknowledge that there are a number of folks who seem to post merely to troll, and they annoy me too... but the rising level of "ban this guy, let's ignore that guy... she's just a fool woo" is getting kind of disturbing. Please remember, this is supposed to be a skeptical group of people, not a dogmatic one...

[Nex]

Isn't this a bit silly? Look, people say a lot of nonsense here... if you don't want to deal with them, don't... but some kind of organized-shunning seems pretty weak.

I know a lot of folks have invested a lot of time in these boards, and I respect that. I also acknowledge that there are a number of folks who seem to post merely to troll, and they annoy me too... but the rising level of "ban this guy, let's ignore that guy... she's just a fool woo" is getting kind of disturbing. Please remember, this is supposed to be a skeptical group of people, not a dogmatic one... Hear hear. :clap:

I'm getting tired of the dogmatic crap too.

[Bronze Dog]

I think it'd be better to try and nail Kilik down to making and backing up one specific claim per thread.

Though, if he really gets frustrated in those, he might change the subject in a new thread. *shudder*

[LordoftheLeftHand]

I've been ignoring him without a vote. Is that undemocratic of me?

LLH

[El_Spectre]

I've been ignoring him without a vote. Is that undemocratic of me?

LLH

No no... that is simply not enough. You need to execute a personal crusade against him. If at all possible, mention him in your signature, and post "XXX spotted at" threads whenever the guy has the audacity to speak... that sounds about right.

[bagtaggar]

I'm not boycotting woo-woos in general. In fact many, including Iamme and Iacchus can at least structure a cogent argument.

I'm boycotting Kilik in particular, who spams threads with his nonsensical claptrap and is a general bandwith annoyance.

I think this is perfectly fair.

[Nex]

Do whatever you feel you must, Bagtagger. Just don't expect a forum full of skeptics to agree with you. ;)

[LotusMegami]

Iacchus is coherent. Kathy had balls. Lifegazer was scary but got some deep conversations started.

I recommend Adderall. It got my mind back in one place, without any irratating side affects.

Kilik's wild claims could be highly entertaining, if he actually made an argument instead of just jumping between topics like a four-year-old. Honestly, I've been living with my little cousins since the tornado. A four-year-old has a longer attention span than Kilik.

[Melendwyr]

Please remember, this is supposed to be a skeptical group of people, not a dogmatic one... How exactly is wanting to ban fools and liars 'dogmatic'?

Clearly we don't want even to appear to emulate those woo forums who ban any poster who demonstrates critical thought, but the endless responses to woos is not only annoying, it wastes time and energy that could really be better spent replying to people who genuinely ask questions.

[El_Spectre]

How exactly is wanting to ban fools and liars 'dogmatic'?

Clearly we don't want even to appear to emulate those woo forums who ban any poster who demonstrates critical thought, but the endless responses to woos is not only annoying, it wastes time and energy that could really be better spent replying to people who genuinely ask questions.

Then ignore them. But don't start limiting speech just because you don't agree with it.

[Melendwyr]

Then ignore them. But don't start limiting speech just because you don't agree with it. I don't. There are countless posters I profoundly disagree with on these forums, yet there are only a few I support banning.

Why do you think that is?

[El_Spectre]

I don't. There are countless posters I profoundly disagree with on these forums, yet there are only a few I support banning.

Why do you think that is?

Because those particular people have exceeded your personal tolerance?

[bagtaggar]

Um, no one is banning Kilik. Kilik can say whatever he wants. I believe the point here is to ask other people not to respond until we get a cogent argument from Kilik. This is for people who care. If you don't, you don't have to participate. Or you can not talk to Kilik for your own reasons, whatever.

Isn't a boycott a form of free speach?

[Luke T.]

I'm pretty much with El Spectre on this one. And every topic in the past here devoted to shutting up a troll has been ineffective. Shortly afterwards, everyone who signed on to the petition can be found talking to the troll. If anything, topics like this just encourage the troll.

I agree that you shouldn't talk to a troll. But trying to organize a collective effort to stop talking to a troll is fruitless. And calling for the additional action of banning someone because of your own failure in self-control is petty and pathetic.

Said it before, I'll say it again. A troll cannot breathe in a vacuum. Stop talking to them, they go away. No banning necessary. And even if other people continue to talk to the troll, they are effectively gone from your own mind when you stop talking to them. Problem solved.

[Melendwyr]

Ah, if only we could ban people who keep talking to trolls!

Oh, wait. You can.

[LTC8K6]

Well, I thought he should have been banned long before he got to 5 warnings or however many he is up to now.

You can ignore him, but that can make it look like you have no counter to his posts.

A boycott is not the same thing as shunning him or somehow restricting his speech, btw. It's just saying that a response is reserved until it's deserved. There is no intention not to respond to a legitimate poster with a legitimate post.

If he isn't going to be banned, then folks here will just have to deal with Kilik as they see fit.

So, you get whatever you get.....

Attempted coherent responses, jokes, shots across the bow, recipes, ignorance, etc., etc., etc.....

[PatKelley]

Isn't a boycott a form of free speach?
Yes, but to be inclusive it should be a gender-neutral childcott.

[Bronze Dog]

Remember one troll going on about prophet yahweh, or whoever. When no one responded, he thought it was because we were scared.

It was because there was already one thread on the topic.

[Nyarlathotep]

I'm not boycotting woo-woos in general. In fact many, including Iamme and Iacchus can at least structure a cogent argument.



While they come closer than Kilik, to be sure, I would hardly call anything written by either of them "a cogent argument".

[Almo]

Yeah, boycotting Kilik is silly. I mean, just learn how to play Astaroth. Hehe, just kidding. Seriously, he can spout what he wants, and we can shoot it down, if we feel like spending the time. It's up to you what you spend your time responding to.

[bagtaggar]

While they come closer than Kilik, to be sure, I would hardly call anything written by either of them "a cogent argument".

Fair enough, allow me to rephrase.

At least we know what the hell they're talking about (most of the time).

[BillC]

Has Kilik started a 'boycott bagtaggar' thread yet, complete with a thousand links and dozens of pictures, including that one with the cross-legged guy swiveling back and forth?

It can only be a matter of time.

[Luke T.]

Remember one troll going on about prophet yahweh, or whoever. When no one responded, he thought it was because we were scared.



I don't buy the argument that we must argue with trolls because if we don't, they will claim victory.

Yeah. We are completely stumped when it comes to debunking lizard beings who live inside the hollow Earth and have installed George Bush as our President, AND MY GOD HAVE YOU SEEN THE ORBS IN THIS PHOTO OF MY BACKYARD AND WHY IS GRASS GREEN ANYWHAY AND NOT ORAGNE AND HOW DO YOU NO WHT I SEE AS GREEN IS NOT BLUE TO YOU AND I AM BEING FOLOWWED BY THEM YOU KNOW! YOUL SEE WHEN YOU GO BLIND NEXT WEAK.

[Bronze Dog]

I don't buy the argument that we must argue with trolls because if we don't, they will claim victory.
I never made that argument. I was just giving an example of an attempt to declare victory.

Damned if we do, damned if we don't. I only argue with them because it can be fun, sometimes. That, and some lingering, naive hope that we might get a neuron or two firing.

[ObscureReferenceMan]

It's just saying that a response is reserved until it's deserved.

Well said!!!

(And sorry, I added a comment to another Killik post before reading this. Forgive me.)

[Soapy Sam]

I've wondered about a mechanism, (for instance using the old rating icons), whereby a flag might be added to threads started by extreme Trolls, simply asking posters to consider whether a response was worth making. (Because, let's face it, sometimes we respond more by reflex than after lengthy deliberation.)
However, on balance this could develop into a method of censorship which might do more harm than good.

The truth is that if we all agreed with each other, this would be a rather dull place. It's often the dissenters who start the more interesting threads.
That said, I'm puzzled by the large number of posters who repeatedly respond to someone like Kilik who it's fairly plain simply is not receptive of any opinion which does not match his own.

I do sometimes wonder if Kilik is not simply winding people up. No one could possibly believe ALL the nonsense he claims to believe, while being smart enough to use a computer. I don't think he's simply a troll: I think he's a pure wind-up merchant. I no longer respond to, or even read any of his threads. I agree with those like LukeT who maintain the best way to deal with Trolls is simply to starve them.

[c4ts]

Until Kilik presents his argument in the format we have requested, I recommend that no one respond to any of his threads or posts. Even myself, though tempted I may be.

All in favor say "aye".

Those opposed "naye".

Pffft... yeah, good luck with that one. One of these days you'll see something so eye-catchingly erroneous, to the point of being unintentionally funny, either in a topic heading or quoted by someone else, and you will HAVE to respond. And thus the vicious cycle takes hold. Trolls don't survive because they're offensive or controversial. Trolls survive because they turn themselves into an addictive form of entertainment. Once in a while they'll capture your attention with a glimmer of reason and spend every other post destroying all traces of it. Resistance is useless.

[Zep]

Do we not have an Ignore feature here? If you don't want to see his crap, Ignore him!

[Aepervius]

Until Kilik presents his argument in the format we have requested, I recommend that no one respond to any of his threads or posts. Even myself, though tempted I may be.

All in favor say "aye".

Those opposed "naye".

I am sadly a mean spirit man and take pleasure and laugh a lot at all the nonsense he throw at us. A bit like "see there is crazier than me. So there is hope for me. let us laugh". Plus it usually make my day reminding me of those "the chicken and snail are responsible for the world problem" game (*).

(*) it just consist of having a serie of idiotic argument between two unrelated things to try to convince somebody of a stupid theory. We did play that game a lot in school.

[c4ts]

Do we not have an Ignore feature here? If you don't want to see his crap, Ignore him!

"Ignore" won't block his thread titles or when other people quote him.

[MRC_Hans]

Kilik who?


.... I just thought somebody hadda say it.



The serious part of that is that we seem to be unable to refrain from serving attention whores by running threads about them.

If you don't wanna feed attention whores and trolls, by all means don't. But don't start threads about them.


Hans

[c4ts]

You have no chance to ignore Kilik make your time!

[Zep]

"Ignore" won't block his thread titles or when other people quote him.Thread title = WARNING! DO NOT CLICK HERE!

And who the f*** is going to quote that idiot?? :eek:

[Lothian]

If you want to know how to deal with a troll like Kilik you only need to consult an expert troll.

On Lucianarchy’ s board Kilik posted the usual long incoherent, picture filled, link ridden tosh.

Luci's sarcastic reply (http://lucianarchy.proboards21.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=Paranormal&thread=1119402759) was pure class and Kilik has not posted there again.
Thank you, Killick. Very thought provoking. You must have put a lot of effort into sharing that with us.

Peace and best wishes.

[MRC_Hans]

Hehhe, I notice he had the game card in that post, too. Just how silly can you get.

So luci has his owmforum. I suppose he's secure from banning there :rolleyes:.

Hans

[CFLarsen]

So luci has his owmforum. I suppose he's secure from banning there :rolleyes:.

Don't count on it. Lucianarchy is insane enough to ban himself.

[MRC_Hans]

Well, if nobody else posts there, he HAS in effect banned himself ;).

Hans

[Lothian]

I do actually recall Luci banning himself. He reposted some JREF posts under the name Lucianarchy then I recall the author of the posts name changed to something like Sarah before changing again to Admin. Later though he allowed himself to reregister as Lucianarchy.

[Yeah_Right]

Hows about not responding to Killiks threads at all? It's the old, ignore a problem and it might go away trick!

[Kochanski]

I don't have to ignore Kilik...can't read more than a sentence or two and my eyes start spinning in opposite directions and my brain shuts down :boggled:

I have read all sorts of things, read about QED and fractals and such, all beyond my science and math training and had no problem reading and attempting to understand them. They stimulate my mind and I push myself to comprehend at least some of it and want to learn more. Kilik just makes my brain hurt like one of the Monty Python Gumbies. :boggled:

[Dragon]

Don't count on it. Lucianarchy is insane enough to ban himself.Only if he can blame you, though.