View Full Version : Buddhist meditation makes brain bigger.
Meadmaker
12th November 2005, 11:39 PM
http://news.yahoo.com/s/space/20051111/sc_space/meditateonthisbuddhisttraditionthickenspartsoftheb rain
TragicMonkey
12th November 2005, 11:50 PM
What's the point in enlarging the brain only to use it to think of nothing?
Amapola
13th November 2005, 09:11 AM
How can you enlarge the brain without enlarging the skull? I know the article says the brain got "thicker", but where did the space come from for the brain to get "thicker" without causing terrific headaches? :confused: Also, 20 seems like an awfully small sample size........
Ryokan
13th November 2005, 05:49 PM
Hah, my brain is thicker than yours!
c4ts
13th November 2005, 06:14 PM
Is your brain enlarging, or is it just swelling up?
Bodhi Dharma Zen
13th November 2005, 06:37 PM
Seems logical, as it is that musicians, mathematicians, and other specialized people should improve other areas.
Meadmaker
13th November 2005, 09:43 PM
What's the point in enlarging the brain only to use it to think of nothing?
So you get good at it.
logical muse
13th November 2005, 11:03 PM
Excellent. This must be wonderful news for those people who think with their ****s.
Kopji
13th November 2005, 11:21 PM
Sheesh if they go to church too they're gonna live nearly forever.
Meadmaker
14th November 2005, 10:14 AM
A more serious (but less Buddhist) answer to Monkey's question would be, "Because if you learn to think about nothing, then you are better able to think about one thing very well."
There are several things I found interesting about this particular finding.
First, it shows that the brain is not some sort of static organ. It can be trained, deliberately, to do certain things. Not exactly a new finding, but futher confirmation of what is already known. What you think about, and how, will influence your future ability to think. When one contemplates the number of people who spent an hour watching "Desparate Housewives" last night, that's a scary thought.
Second, it provides evidence that the perceived mental changes that come about as a result of Vipassana meditation are very real. It isn't just some sort of placebo effect. Your brain actually changes.
Third, many religious people of very different religious tradtions that involve prayer, meditation, or ritual will insist that their chosen rituatls actually change the way they think. This study demonstrates that they are probably right. Now, many of those people think that what happens is the "Spirit of God" or something like that enters into them, and it is His spirit that changes them. This study would indicate that, if that is the case, God is busy rearranging brain cells. Nonbelievers might suggest that the perceived "Spirit of God" might just be a change in your brain.
HeyLeroy
14th November 2005, 11:47 AM
Brain imaging of regular working folks who meditate regularly revealed increased thickness in cortical regions...
I've read the article a few times, and it doesn't really specify whether this study sample was monitored over time to note the increase in brain size, or thickness. Could this possibly show the inverse? People with denser brains are more apt to meditate?
Ryokan
14th November 2005, 05:17 PM
I've read the article a few times, and it doesn't really specify whether this study sample was monitored over time to note the increase in brain size, or thickness. Could this possibly show the inverse? People with denser brains are more apt to meditate?
Are you calling me thickheaded?
HeyLeroy
15th November 2005, 12:20 PM
Are you calling me thickheaded?
Not at all, just wondering if maybe the study wasn't portrayed properly in the article.
Ryokan
15th November 2005, 01:57 PM
Not at all, just wondering if maybe the study wasn't portrayed properly in the article.
I know, I was just trying to be funny :rolleyes:
FreeChile
15th November 2005, 04:20 PM
A more serious (but less Buddhist) answer to Monkey's question would be, "Because if you learn to think about nothing, then you are better able to think about one thing very well."
There are several things I found interesting about this particular finding.
First, it shows that the brain is not some sort of static organ. It can be trained, deliberately, to do certain things. Not exactly a new finding, but futher confirmation of what is already known. What you think about, and how, will influence your future ability to think. When one contemplates the number of people who spent an hour watching "Desparate Housewives" last night, that's a scary thought.
Second, it provides evidence that the perceived mental changes that come about as a result of Vipassana meditation are very real. It isn't just some sort of placebo effect. Your brain actually changes.
Third, many religious people of very different religious tradtions that involve prayer, meditation, or ritual will insist that their chosen rituatls actually change the way they think. This study demonstrates that they are probably right. Now, many of those people think that what happens is the "Spirit of God" or something like that enters into them, and it is His spirit that changes them. This study would indicate that, if that is the case, God is busy rearranging brain cells. Nonbelievers might suggest that the perceived "Spirit of God" might just be a change in your brain.This is easier to attain using drugs. In fact, those mystical experiences, are more consistently achieved using drugs than by meditating.
HeyLeroy
16th November 2005, 10:06 AM
I know, I was just trying to be funny :rolleyes:
It was funny. I couldn't imagine a Buddhist getting worked up over a perceived sleight. (I before E... ahh, bother.)
Meadmaker
16th November 2005, 03:29 PM
This is easier to attain using drugs. In fact, those mystical experiences, are more consistently achieved using drugs than by meditating.
The first dharma talk I ever attended was on that topic.
Having tried both ways, the monk giving the talk preferred medititation.
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