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Tony
24th April 2003, 05:13 PM
http://slate.msn.com/id/2081977/


Zimbabwe's newspapers depicted this week's massive strike as a potentially decisive standoff between the government and an increasingly strident opposition. The strike, endorsed by the country's main opposition party, is seen as more than an airing of workers' grievances; it is yet another sign that the Zimbabwean people are losing patience with a government that has thrown the former jewel of Africa into economic free-fall. Britain's Guardian called the strike and a similar walkout last month "a stinging vote of no-confidence by the workers in President Robert Mugabe's economic policies." Zimbabwe, once one of Africa's most prosperous and promising nations, is in economic ruin. Food shortages have left more than half the country's 11.3 million people hungry and dependent on outside aid. Inflation stands at 228 percent; unemployment at more than 60 percent.


The three-day work stoppage, called by the Zimbabwe Congress of Trade Unions, is a response to the government's recently imposed 200 percent fuel-price hike. The ZCTU is closely linked to the opposition Movement for Democratic Change, which led a nationwide walkout last month. The MDC's endorsement of this week's strike fueled political tension in the country, since Mugabe accuses the MDC of manipulating the public into staging such protests.

Zimbabwe's independent Financial Gazette reported that this week's strikes could be a preview of more intense showdowns to come. According to the paper, ZCTU's chairman said further confrontation is inevitable unless the government reverses the price increase. "This one is just a precursor of more serious things to come." He said the government would be wise to avoid joint ZCTU-MDC action: "The problem is that this government doesn't want to come out in the open and accept that it has failed because it believes it has a divine right to rule forever."

According to Zimbabwe's opposition Daily News, strike leaders say the fuel price hikes will break the average Zimbabwean. The ZCTU president said transport costs eat up 80 percent of workers' pay. "No doubt, there is no one in the government who is able to advance any meaningful argument on this madness. Even businesses are going to fold." Papers said the ZCTU-led strike is holding, with banks and many shops shuttered in Harare, the capital, and other major cities. The government has already arrested several ZCTU leaders.


Would you support regime change in Zimbabwe?

Questioninggeller
24th April 2003, 06:01 PM
If there was oil, I'm sure the US would "find" WMD there and a "regime change" would be done.

hammegk
24th April 2003, 06:14 PM
Makes you wonder why the UN doesn't step up to the task... ;)

corplinx
24th April 2003, 06:24 PM
Originally posted by Questioninggeller
If there was oil, I'm sure the US would "find" WMD there and a "regime change" would be done.


Yeah, like the oil in Kosovo. Or the oil in Somalia. Or the oil in Grenada. The oil in vietnam. The oil in South Korea. Or the oil in Germany and Japan.

Mike B.
24th April 2003, 08:37 PM
Originally posted by corplinx



Yeah, like the oil in Kosovo. Or the oil in Somalia. Or the oil in Grenada. The oil in vietnam. The oil in South Korea. Or the oil in Germany and Japan.

:D :D :D :D

shhhhhhhhh

Simple conspiracy theories are much more fun!!!

LTC8K6
25th April 2003, 08:21 AM
After all the flak we got over Iraq, it's someone else's turn. I say let the French & the Germans & the UN handle this one.

aerocontrols
25th April 2003, 08:24 AM
I do support regime change in Zimbabwe. Since Zimbabwe is a commonwealth country, I assume that Britain's leadership on the issue would be pretty much a requirement. Given Tony Blair's statements about human rights re: Iraq, perhaps we will see such leadership in the near future.

I hope so.

MattJ

Ben Shniper
25th April 2003, 09:02 AM
Originally posted by Questioninggeller
If there was oil, I'm sure the US would "find" WMD there and a "regime change" would be done. \

There is a lot of oil.

It's just that Europeans and Americans don't care if Africans live or die. A racist fascist is destroying Zimbabwe, and if the Africans cared about themselves, maybe they would stop it. But I have seen no evidence of Africans caring if they live or die in droves, either.

Believe it or not, Bush could sell "I care about the people of Iraq." He can't sell "I care about the people of some African country most Americans can't pronounce and don't know from a hole in the ground".

-Ben

Skeptical Greg
25th April 2003, 09:46 AM
Africa is such a beautiful country.

I hope I live to see it take a social and economic place in the world, that is worthy of it's rich geographic and biological treasures.

It deeply saddens me to imagine otherwise.

aerocontrols
25th April 2003, 09:50 AM
Originally posted by Ben Shniper
Believe it or not, Bush could sell "I care about the people of Iraq." He can't sell "I care about the people of some African country most Americans can't pronounce and don't know from a hole in the ground".

Which is why I hope Tony Blair will step up to the plate on Africa.

Bush can sell "We owe the Brits a favor."

Hypocolius
25th April 2003, 10:04 AM
Originally posted by Ben Shniper

There is a lot of oil.

In Zim?



It's just that Europeans and Americans don't care if Africans live or die.

Not true. Europeans and Americans seem to care rather more deeply for the plight of Black Zimbabweans than most other Africans. However because they are seen as white countries they are reluctant to act without the mandate of the African Union (the ex OAU), as they are extremely sensitive to the cries of neo-colonialism that would surely follow. Almost all of Zims neighbours are basically saying it's an internal matter, and should be sorted out by Zimbabweans. ie they're cowards. Oh, and don't expect the French to help, they are cozying up to Africa at the moment, and definitely won't do anything to upset any of them.

A racist fascist is destroying Zimbabwe, and if the Africans cared about themselves, maybe they would stop it. But I have seen no evidence of Africans caring if they live or die in droves, either.

Sadly true.

Hypocolius
25th April 2003, 10:05 AM
Originally posted by Diogenes
Africa is such a beautiful country.



Africa is a continent, comprising nearly 50 countries.

Michael Redman
25th April 2003, 10:10 AM
Originally posted by hammegk
Makes you wonder why the UN doesn't step up to the task... ;) UN . . . step up. :confused: I don't think those words mean anything in that combination.

Originally posted by Hypocolius
Africa is a continent, comprising nearly 50 countries. Africa is a continent comprising nearly 50 nations. "Country" can have many meanings.

Hypocolius
25th April 2003, 10:18 AM
Originally posted by Michael Redman
Africa is a continent comprising nearly 50 nations. "Country" can have many meanings.

Really? Doesn't the context make it clear what I meant? Anyway, semantics aside, I have met many people (not all of them Americans) who make this simple error. A tour leader visiting the camp I once worked in (in Zambia) pulled out a map of Kenya and wanted to know exactly where we were. As far as he was concerned if there were animals then he was in Kenya! Sorry mate, only about 2000 miles out!

Jon_in_london
25th April 2003, 10:25 AM
Military problem of invading Zim. Its a landlocked country and its neighbours are all ruled by people who love Mugabe, hate the west and wont let us pass through their countries or airspace.

Zim is an African problem. Since so many African leader are advocating 'an African solution to an African problem' then let them sort it out. Or not as the case may be.

If I didnt know so many fine people in Africa I'd say just build a wall around the whole continent, close the door, throw away the key and come back 100 years in the future to see if much has changed.

Michael Redman
25th April 2003, 10:30 AM
Originally posted by Hypocolius
I have met many people (not all of them Americans) who make this simple error. I fully understand, but I assume that Diogenes was not making the mistake you seemed to be implying, which is the reason for my remark.

Tmy
25th April 2003, 11:19 AM
If the US did go in you'd get the same countries lineing up to spit on imperalistic America. "You need Un approval" and "Who are you to police the world"

At least wh Iraq theres a plauseable self defense claim.

Hypocolius
25th April 2003, 11:22 AM
Originally posted by Michael Redman
I fully understand, but I assume that Diogenes was not making the mistake you seemed to be implying, which is the reason for my remark.

Fairy nuff.;)

Skeptical Greg
25th April 2003, 11:25 AM
Originally posted by Hypocolius


Africa is a continent, comprising nearly 50 countries.

Looks like Michael Redman came to my ' wrong choice of word' aid.. Thanks ...:)

How about ' Continent ' ?

25th April 2003, 11:35 AM
"They want us to join their fighting
But our answer today
Is to let all our worries
Like the breeze through our fingers slip away
Peace has come to Zimbabwe
Third World's right on the one
Now's the time for celebration
'Cause we've only just begun"

Recognize that? The celebration was over the fact that white-controlled Rhodesia was overthrown by Marxists and became Zimbabwe. They traded one evil for another, basically.