Clinton critic caught dipping into underage girl

[shecky]

A prominent Republican fund-raiser who once said former President Bill Clinton was "a lawbreaker and a terrible example to our nation's young people" pleaded guilty yesterday in Baltimore Circuit Court to production of child pornography.

Richard Anthony Delgaudio, who was sentenced to two years' probation before judgment, admitted to taking lewd photographs of a 16-year-old girl he met in East Baltimore's Patterson Park in 2001. In some of the photos, he was engaged in sex with her, court records show.

The whole article here (http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/local/bal-md.delgaudio24apr24,0,5369464.story?coll=bal%2Dpe% 2Dmaryland).

Doesn't it always seem the one to point the finger ends up being the worst offender?

[Tony]

Nice title. :)

[Blue Monk]

Looks like the chickens have come home to roost.

You can bet your *ss that if it had been any of us in the same situation we would end up in prison.

[Hellcat]

Is the age of consent higher than the 16years, as it is here in the UK?

[corplinx]

First Scott Ritter, now this guy. Who's next?

[Skeptical Greg]

Another lying, hypocritic, perverted politician?

Who'd a thunk it....

Well, including Clinton, that makes at least two.

What are the implications if you are not a Clinton critic, and you get caught, dipping into underage girl?

[a_unique_person]

Originally posted by Diogenes
Another lying, hypocritic, perverted politician?

Who'd a thunk it....

Well, including Clinton, that makes at least two.

What are the implications if you are not a Clinton critic, and you get caught, dipping into underage girl?

Not much. A few paragraphs in the paper, a few smart comments on the internet, end of story.

[iain]

Originally posted by Diogenes
Another lying, hypocritic, perverted politician?

Who'd a thunk it....

Well, including Clinton, that makes at least two.

What are the implications if you are not a Clinton critic, and you get caught, dipping into underage girl? One of the things which did for the UK Conservative party in the '90s was not so much that various MPs and ministers were caught with their trousers down but that at the same time they were banging on about "back to basics" and the importance of moral values. It was the "do as I say, not as I do" that pissed people off.

There have been several MPs who have been caught out but survived fairly unscathed because they were never moralisers. For example, Paddy Ashdown (ex leader of the Liberal Democrats) was revealed as having had a long term adulterous affair. He survived, largely because he had never been a moraliser (but earned the nickname "Paddy Pantsdown" - one of The Sun's better efforts).

[DrChinese]

Richard Anthony Delgaudio, who was sentenced to two years' probation before judgment, admitted to taking lewd photographs of a 16-year-old girl he met in East Baltimore's Patterson Park in 2001. In some of the photos, he was engaged in sex with her, court records show.

It's not his fault! Everyone knows that Republicans are always fighting their inner repressed urges. It's part of their nature, in fact, it's why they are Republicans in the first place. Sometimes it just overwhelms them. Feel sympathy...

On the other hand, Democrats have free will and make CHOICES. That is why Clinton is guilty, and does not deserve our sorrow.

[Sundog]

Originally posted by Diogenes
Another lying, hypocritic, perverted politician?

Who'd a thunk it....

Well, including Clinton, that makes at least two.

What are the implications if you are not a Clinton critic, and you get caught, dipping into underage girl?

What did Clinton do that was "perverted"?

My hat's cooler than yours.

[Skeptical Greg]

Well, getting a hummer in the oval office seems perverted to me, at least at this stage of my life..

I really wasn't passing judgement, just voicing an opinion.. ( perversion is not necessarily always bad.. IMO)

----------------------------------------------------------------
I'm probably going to lose the hat some day, but not while it's such a source of amusement to some.. :D

Originally posted by Hellcat
Is the age of consent higher than the 16years, as it is here in the UK?

It varies from state to state. The Chief Master At Arms on my ship once told me that in his state, North Carolina I think, the legal age of consent was 14, as long as they weren't a virgin. I was like, huh? So the first person to have sex with a kid is breaking the law, but not the second.

I don't know if that is true.

[aerocontrols]

In Maryland the age of consent (http://www.webistry.net/jan/consent.html) is 16.

Luke, I think the answer to your question is that the girl can lose her virginity to another minor legally, isn't it? It looks like you were thinking of good 'ol Mississippi.

MattJ

Originally posted by aerocontrols
In Maryland the age of consent (http://www.webistry.net/jan/consent.html) is 16.

Luke, I think the answer to your question is that the girl can lose her virginity to another minor legally, isn't it? It looks like you were thinking of good 'ol Mississippi.

MattJ

According to your link, I guess it was Mississippi.

Mississippi 16 - If the female is over 12, the status applies only to virgins.

So the status does not apply to non-virgins. How bizarre is that?

[Skeptical Greg]

Originally posted by Hellcat
There is no such thing as an evil person. They just have dirty windows that don't let the light shine through, and you just have to help show them how to clean their windows.



Is this anything like " cleaning their clock " ?

[RandFan]

Originally posted by corplinx
First Scott Ritter, now this guy. Who's next? :D

[toddjh]

Originally posted by LukeT
According to your link, I guess it was Mississippi.
So the status does not apply to non-virgins. How bizarre is that?

I remember seeing that a few years ago and puzzling over it too. The only explanation I could come up with was that the age of consent was 12 (embarrassing in modern times) and they wanted to raise it to 16 -- but not turn the minors who were already having sex into felons. So they stuck the virgin thing in there as sort of a grandfather clause. At least that makes a little sense. :)

Jeremy

[Segnosaur]

When Clinton was being attacked by Kenneth Starr and various republican politicians, didn't Larry Flynt (of Hustler magazine fame) offer a reward to anyone who managed to prove people attacking Clinton were doing 'immoral' stuff themselves? I seem to remember he managed to catch one or 2.

[renata]

Bob Livingston ( who resigned) and Henry Hyde ( who did not)
Although I do not remember who outed them.
I do recall Hyde referred to his affair , and I think an illegitimate child as a "youhtful indiscretion". He was in his forties when it happened.

[Clancie]

In my opinion, the "Most-Immoral-Politician-To-Criticize-Clinton" Award goes to Newt Gingrich (who, unfortunately, is still an influential member on the political scene as a member of Rumsfeld's "Defense Policy Council").

What could be more morally reprehensible than going to your wife's hospital bedside where she just got out of surgery for ovarian cancer and telling her you're leaving her for another woman?

What a jerk.

[arcticpenguin]

Originally posted by Clancy
In my opinion, the "Most-Immoral-Politician-To-Criticize-Clinton" Award goes to Newt Gingrich (who, unfortunately, is still an influential member on the political scene as a member of Rumsfeld's "Defense Policy Council").

What could be more morally reprehensible than going to your wife's hospital bedside where she just got out of surgery for ovarian cancer and telling her you're leaving her for another woman?

What a jerk.
If you check the record, you will find that Newt did not lead the charge on blowjob-gate. Perhaps it had something to do with that investigation by Larry Flynt, perhaps not.

[subgenius]

Age of consent in Japan: 13.
Age of consent in Canada: 14.
Topic for a new thread with those of us with daughters commenting?

[Skeptical Greg]

Originally posted by subgenius
Age of consent in Japan: 13.
Age of consent in Canada: 14.
Topic for a new thread with those of us with daughters commenting?

Comprehensive List here..

Legal Age of Consent (http://www.ageofconsent.com/ageofconsent.htm)

However, if you click on a country, like Japan, the detailed information does not always agree with the number on the index page..

The site states that the information may not be up to date..

Interesting though.

[Tricky]

Originally posted by renata
Bob Livingston ( who resigned) and Henry Hyde ( who did not)
Although I do not remember who outed them.
I do recall Hyde referred to his affair , and I think an illegitimate child as a "youhtful indiscretion". He was in his forties when it happened.
I think that you are thinking of Dan Burton (http://www.salon.com/news/1998/12/cov_22newsa.html) who had the illegitimate child. He was another Clinton gadfly who could not abide by the standards he set for others.

[Blue Monk]

Originally posted by Tricky

I think that you are thinking of Dan Burton (http://www.salon.com/news/1998/12/cov_22newsa.html) who had the illegitimate child. He was another Clinton gadfly who could not abide by the standards he set for others.

I can only hope that society holds itself to higher standards than what I set for myself.

[renata]

Originally posted by Tricky

I think that you are thinking of Dan Burton (http://www.salon.com/news/1998/12/cov_22newsa.html) who had the illegitimate child. He was another Clinton gadfly who could not abide by the standards he set for others.

That is right. But Hyde did have an affair, right? And now that I think of it, Strom Thurmond has an illegitimate child from his affair with a black woman. Or am I mixing people up again?

[Tricky]

Originally posted by renata


That is right. But Hyde did have an affair, right? And now that I think of it, Strom Thurmond has an illegitimate child from his affair with a black woman. Or am I mixing people up again?
I think that is a mix-up. Robert Bennet (http://www.montanaforum.com/rednews/2002/12/18/build/congress/otherremarks.php?nnn=5) of Utah said George W. Bush would win the Republican nomination unless “some black woman comes forward with an illegitimate child that he fathered within the last 18 months.”

However, Strom allegedly had an extramarital affair... at age 88.

[subgenius]

Strom has a black child. He has provided support in exchange for silence.

http://www.metrobeat.net/gbase/Expedite/Content?oid=oid%3A1742

[renata]

Originally posted by Tricky

I think that is a mix-up. Robert Bennet (http://www.montanaforum.com/rednews/2002/12/18/build/congress/otherremarks.php?nnn=5) of Utah said George W. Bush would win the Republican nomination unless “some black woman comes forward with an illegitimate child that he fathered within the last 18 months.”

However, Strom allegedly had an extramarital affair... at age 88.

I am pretty sure Strom had a black daughter. I looked for it, and found this. I am not sure how reliable the source is

http://readerweekly.org/Reader/Reader_Weekly/Reader_Weekly/Reader_Weekly_Duluth/Ed_Raymond/EdRaymondLott.html

The man who presided over the senate during Bill Clinton's impeachment didn't want Negroes (the "mud" people) penetrating the homes of whites, but while he was preaching racial hatred and complete segregation of the races Strom was penetrating the knickers of a black woman--which resulted in the birth of Essie Mae Williams in 1925. Strom's checks allowed Essie to attend South Carolina State, a second-rate black college, while he was governor of South Carolina. I wonder if he made his black illegitimate child feel equal.


Edited to say- subgenius beat me to it

[Smalso]

Originally posted by LukeT


It varies from state to state. The Chief Master At Arms on my ship once told me that in his state, North Carolina I think, the legal age of consent was 14, as long as they weren't a virgin. I was like, huh? So the first person to have sex with a kid is breaking the law, but not the second.

I don't know if that is true.

I wouldn't try it if I wre you. In North Carolina, it's 18.

edit: re the article quoted above: Where the hell does the writer get off calling South Carolina State a second-rate college?

[The Central Scrutinizer]

Originally posted by renata
Bob Livingston ( who resigned) and Henry Hyde ( who did not)
Although I do not remember who outed them.
I do recall Hyde referred to his affair , and I think an illegitimate child as a "youhtful indiscretion". He was in his forties when it happened.

Larry Flynt, American hero, outed them.

[Frank Newgent]

How about Neil Bush (http://www.nathanielblumberg.com/neil.htm)? Wasn't it Mel Brooks who once said: "If they don't do it to their wife (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A41548-2003Apr16.html), they'll do it to the country"?

"She's very frightened about her future. She told me she spent her whole life being a wife to Neil Bush and a mother to their three children, and now he wants to marry another woman. She told me he's only offering $1,000 a month in support -- take it or leave it. She was crying when she told me this. She said that when she told Neil she needs more to live on, Neil Bush said, 'Just get remarried.'"

[Clancie]

posted by ArcticPenguin

If you check the record, you will find that Newt did not lead the charge on blowjob-gate. Perhaps it had something to do with that investigation by Larry Flynt, perhaps not.

Well, yes. And I just can't resist a chance to digress about Newt Gingrich, whom I am sorry to see back in the news.

From Stephen Talbot, who produced and co-wrote "The Long March of Newt Gingrich," a 1996 documentary for the public TV series "Frontline":

Gingrich, lest we forget, has a closet full of sexual misconduct.

For one thing, Gingrich pioneered a denial of adultery that some observers would later christen "the Newt Defense": Oral sex doesn't count.

Gail Sheehy uncovered a woman, Anne Manning, who had an affair in Washington in 1977 with a married Gingrich.

"We had oral sex," Manning revealed. "He prefers that modus operandi because then he can say, 'I never slept with her.'" She added that Gingrich threatened her: "If you ever tell anybody about this, I'll say you're lying."

Manning was then married to a professor at West Georgia, the backwater college where Gingrich taught. "I don't claim to be an angel," she told Sheehy, but "he's morally dishonest."

As a high school student -- precocious, lonely, overweight -- Newt secretly romanced his geometry teacher, a buxom, matronly woman named Jackie Battley (eight years his senior).

...Once, Newt and Jackie were so worked up, they got their car caught in a tank trap on the military base and had to call his best friend to rescue them before a daylight exposé, according to the friend's widow, Linda Tilton. Defying his stepfather, a stern Army colonel, Newt pursued Jackie, married her and promptly had two children.

The most notorious incident in Gingrich's marriage -- first reported by David Osborne in Mother Jones magazine in 1984 -- was when he cornered Jackie in her hospital room where she was recovering from uterine cancer surgery and insisted on discussing the terms of divorce (he wanted).

Shortly after that infamous encounter, Gingrich refused to pay his alimony and child-support payments. The First Baptist Church in his hometown had to take up a collection to support the family Gingrich had deserted.

Six months after divorcing Jackie, Gingrich married a younger woman, Marianne, with whom he had been having an affair.

http://www.salon.com/news/1998/08/28news.html

[subgenius]

Originally posted by Clancy


Well, yes. And I just can't resist a chance to digress about Newt Gingrich, whom I am sorry to see back in the news.

From Stephen Talbot, who produced and co-wrote "The Long March of Newt Gingrich," a 1996 documentary for the public TV series "Frontline":

Gingrich, lest we forget, has a closet full of sexual misconduct.

For one thing, Gingrich pioneered a denial of adultery that some observers would later christen "the Newt Defense": Oral sex doesn't count.

Gail Sheehy uncovered a woman, Anne Manning, who had an affair in Washington in 1977 with a married Gingrich.

"We had oral sex," Manning revealed. "He prefers that modus operandi because then he can say, 'I never slept with her.'" She added that Gingrich threatened her: "If you ever tell anybody about this, I'll say you're lying."

Manning was then married to a professor at West Georgia, the backwater college where Gingrich taught. "I don't claim to be an angel," she told Sheehy, but "he's morally dishonest."

As a high school student -- precocious, lonely, overweight -- Newt secretly romanced his geometry teacher, a buxom, matronly woman named Jackie Battley (eight years his senior).

...Once, Newt and Jackie were so worked up, they got their car caught in a tank trap on the military base and had to call his best friend to rescue them before a daylight exposé, according to the friend's widow, Linda Tilton. Defying his stepfather, a stern Army colonel, Newt pursued Jackie, married her and promptly had two children.

The most notorious incident in Gingrich's marriage -- first reported by David Osborne in Mother Jones magazine in 1984 -- was when he cornered Jackie in her hospital room where she was recovering from uterine cancer surgery and insisted on discussing the terms of divorce (he wanted).

Shortly after that infamous encounter, Gingrich refused to pay his alimony and child-support payments. The First Baptist Church in his hometown had to take up a collection to support the family Gingrich had deserted.

Six months after divorcing Jackie, Gingrich married a younger woman, Marianne, with whom he had been having an affair.

http://www.salon.com/news/1998/08/28news.html

A feature of the holier-than-thou's, accuser's.....hypocrisy.....when someone accuses you of something, they are usually guiltier of the same thing.....

[corplinx]

Originally posted by Segnosaur
When Clinton was being attacked by Kenneth Starr and various republican politicians, didn't Larry Flynt (of Hustler magazine fame) offer a reward to anyone who managed to prove people attacking Clinton were doing 'immoral' stuff themselves? I seem to remember he managed to catch one or 2.

Yes he outed several people's personal lives. He found no cases of perjury however. I was never a big fan of people attacking "clinton the philanderer" but what Larry Flynt did was to help fuel the public meme that it was "all about sex" and in turn helped derail impeachment.

[corplinx]

Originally posted by subgenius


A feature of the holier-than-thou's, accuser's.....hypocrisy.....when someone accuses you of something, they are usually guiltier of the same thing.....

Did Newt ever speak out on Clinton's adultery?

[bonster]

Yep!


Gingrich Attacks Clinton On Lewinsky Matter, Foreign Policy
Speaker accuses Clinton of degrading the presidency

WASHINGTON (AllPolitics, May 18) -- Further escalating his recent war of words against President Bill Clinton, House Speaker Newt Gingrich accused Clinton of degrading the presidency, through his handling of the Monica Lewinsky investigation, to "a level of disrespect and decadence that should appall every American."

The American presidency is viewed world wide as a "rough equivalent of the Jerry Springer show," Gingrich wrote in a commentary for the conservative weekly publication, Human Events.

From here. (http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/1998/05/18/gingrich.clinton/)

[Clancie]

Good Gingrich quote, bonster.

And waaaayyyyy off topic, I think the most dramatic memory I have of someone embarrassed by skeletons in his own closet while investigating someone else, was Ted Kennedy during the Clarence Thomas hearings.

When the allegation of sexual harrassment was brought up and discussed for over a week, Kennedy (usually so vocal on issues of discrimination) was practically mute.

It was disappointing to see from a liberal point of view, yet still kind of funny. He really looked like he wanted to slink away from the table and disappear until it was all over.

But, then again, its incredibly ironic that Congress exempts itself, legally, from the same sexual harrassment laws that govern everyone else.

[subgenius]

"When the allegation of sexual harrassment was brought up and discussed for over a week, Kennedy (usually so vocal on issues of discrimination) was practically mute."

Seems like a self-refutation of the point trying to be made. Kennedy was "practically mute." Sounds like he was avoiding being a hypocrite. Unlike the others that cast the first stone.
By the way, one of Ken Starr's crew, investigating someone for a private consensual sex act later plead guilty to a public non-consensual sex act: soliciting a police officer in a public rest room.
Will search for a link but its quite old news.

[corplinx]

Yep, Newt always was his own worst enemy. Sad, he could have been much more than a flash in the pan.

[corplinx]

Originally posted by bonster


WASHINGTON (AllPolitics, May 18) -- Further escalating his recent war of words against President Bill Clinton, House Speaker Newt Gingrich accused Clinton of degrading the presidency, through his handling of the Monica Lewinsky investigation, to "a level of disrespect and decadence that should appall every American."


Actually, I just re-read the quote. He didnt say anything about Clinton's adultery. Like many congressman, he voiced outrage at the handling of it. Congressmen on both sides of the aisle critized the handing of it.

[subgenius]

In the meantime here's some waiting room reading matter:
http://wlo.org/impeach/sinners.htm

[corplinx]

Originally posted by subgenius
In the meantime here's some waiting room reading matter:
http://wlo.org/impeach/sinners.htm

Its sad to see people still buy the "its all about sex" meme. If you or I had committed perjury, we wouldnt have a spin machine get us off the hook.

[subgenius]

Originally posted by corplinx


Its sad to see people still buy the "its all about sex" meme. If you or I had committed perjury, we wouldnt have a spin machine get us off the hook.
Its also sad to see people buy the "meme" meme.
By the way, it was all about sex.
And this thread is about hypocrisy.

[subgenius]

Originally posted by corplinx


Actually, I just re-read the quote. He didnt say anything about Clinton's adultery. Like many congressman, he voiced outrage at the handling of it. Congressmen on both sides of the aisle critized the handing of it.
Decadence refers to what?

[shecky]

Originally posted by corplinx


Its sad to see people still buy the "its all about sex" meme. If you or I had committed perjury, we wouldnt have a spin machine get us off the hook.

It wasn't about sex?!? It would have never gotten any play had he lied about having athete's foot or hemorrhoids.

[corplinx]

Originally posted by shecky


It wasn't about sex?!? It would have never gotten any play had he lied about having athete's foot or hemorrhoids.

Iduno, did he have a chance to fib under oath about those things in a court case where the testimony is relevant?

Feh, i could care less at this point, it was years ago. Its just funny to me that some people bought the spin hook, line, and sinker.

[Frank Newgent]

Indict a sitting president for lying about a tangential subject in a civil suit that was itself tossed out of court?

Nah, it was the blow job.

[DavidJames]

"Its just funny to me that some people bought the spin hook, line, and sinker."

Funny, I think of it as smart enough to know a witch hunt when they see it :D

[subgenius]

Originally posted by DavidJames
"Its just funny to me that some people bought the spin hook, line, and sinker."

Funny, I think of it as smart enough to know a witch hunt when they see it :D
He was talking about himself.

[corplinx]

Originally posted by subgenius

He was talking about himself.


What you want to have one of those fights:

"You have your head in the sand!"

"NO. You have YOUR head in the sand"

"No yours is obviously because I have the most nonchallant way of saying it."

[subgenius]

Originally posted by corplinx



What you want to have one of those fights:

"You have your head in the sand!"

"NO. You have YOUR head in the sand"

"No yours is obviously because I have the most nonchallant way of saying it."
Please go back and follow the thread to see who said what about what and who.
You were the one who talked about memes and then said people were buying the spin.
Everyone else is giving evidence. Please join in.

[corplinx]

Nice wishful thinking sub. The quote that started the spat between you and I was a Gingrich quote. You lauded it as hypocrisy. However, the quote in question didnt call into question the president's cheating heart, it called into question his handling of it.

He may have made another comment somewhere else talking about adultery directly but the one in question is not evidence.

Sorry Sub.

[subgenius]

Originally posted by corplinx
Nice wishful thinking sub. The quote that started the spat between you and I was a Gingrich quote. You lauded it as hypocrisy. However, the quote in question didnt call into question the president's cheating heart, it called into question his handling of it.

He may have made another comment somewhere else talking about adultery directly but the one in question is not evidence.

Sorry Sub.
I am having no spat with you. Let's let the thread get back to the topic please.

[DavidJames]

"And this thread is about hypocrisy."

No one will every admit to hypocrisy. They will always have a reason why the situations are different. He was the president, he wasn't under oath, it was x years ago, adnauseam. The real reason of course is, simple, he had different political beliefs.

[corplinx]

Originally posted by subgenius

I am having no spat with you. Let's let the thread get back to the topic please.

The thread topic is about a no-good cretin who is a hypocrit and a jackass after launching attacks on others about their immoral behavior. I dont think anyone disagreed with that point.