US accusations to Syria: Myth and Reality

[Wasim]

Myth: Syria supported the overthrown Iraqi regime

Reality: Syria did oppose the war on Iraq, but has never supported Saddam Hussein. Everybody knows that since Saddam came to power, Syrian-Iraqi relations have been so tense. Syria was the only Arab country to oppose Iraq's war against Iran between 1980 and 1988. Syrian troops were part of the international coalition that forced Iraqi army out of Kuwait in 1991. Diplomatic relations with the Iraqi government were severed in 1981, and although they relatively improved during the past few years, there is still no Iraqi Ambassador in Damascus nor a Syrian Ambassador in Baghdad. As a member of the UN Security Council Syria also voted in favour of resolution 1441 which demanded Iraq to disarm.

Myth: Syria's opposition to war means it supported Saddam

Reality: Syria, along with France, Russia, Germany, and China stood against war because it was a violation of international law, and because the Iraqi civilians will suffer in any military conflict. The US and Britain violated the UN charter when they attacked a member country without UN authorization. Many other countries around the world expressed their opposition to war, but nobody said that they supported Saddam. Damascus has made it clear that Syrians stand by the Iraqi people, not the regime, in this illegal war.

Myth: Iraq is hiding weapons of mass destruction in Syria.

Reality: Up to this moment, the US could not prove that Iraq actually had these weapons, which were the US-declared pretext for invading Iraq. Now they have invaded Iraq, and found nothing. When you it appears to the world that the reason behind your whole war was non-existent, Simply, accuse your enemy of hiding weapons somewhere, preferably in a country you want to put some pressure upon! It is ironic that this non-existent pretext will now be used against Syria!

Myth: Some Iraqi officials are seeking refuge in Syria.

Reality: Read Myth and Reality no.1 to know why it's impossible that Syria would welcome any Iraqi leader. It is also useful to know that the US now controls the highways between Iraq and Syria and they can stop anyone getting to the border. In addition, Syria closed the border after the regime in Baghdad collapsed. Syria said that if some Iraqi officials managed to infiltrate the long border, they will be handed over to the Iraqi authorities.

Myth: Syria sent volunteers to fight against the US in Iraq.

Reality: Syria did not 'send' these fighters. The border with Iraq was open to everybody who has completed travel requirements. So if someone went into Iraq and then took up arms against the US, it is not Syrian government's fault. It is true that many Syrians went to Iraq to defend it against the US invasion, but they individually decided to go there; the government did not encourage them to do so or facilitate their trip.

Myth: Syria is developing weapons of mass destruction.

Reality: Syria has no nuclear, chemical or biological weapons. A government official said Syria will welcome any UN weapons inspectors anytime. It is not Syria that owns 200 nuclear warheads and has known chemical and biological weapons programs. Hint: It is the US closest ally in the Middle East, starts with the letter 'I' and continues to violate more than 30 UN resolution with full support from the US: Israel.



http://www.damascus-online.com/us_myths.htm

[ssibal]

Amazing, you can cut and paste.

http://www.damascus-online.com/us_myths.htm

[AN@S]

Originally posted by ssibal
Amazing, you can cut and paste.

http://www.damascus-online.com/us_myths.htm

ssibal ...
Your words means nothing ...
If you has something USEFUL to say you can say it...
If you can't respond to wasim's logical points .... this is another issue...

[ssibal]

Originally posted by AN@S


ssibal ...
Your words means nothing ...
If you has something USEFUL to say you can say it...
If you can't respond to wasim's logical points .... this is another issue...

But those are not Wasim's logical points, they are points that he plagarized. And he has done the same in these two threads:

http://www.randi.org/vbulletin/showthread.php?threadid=17711

http://www.randi.org/vbulletin/showthread.php?threadid=6087

*EDIT* Funny, so far Wasim has 3 posts and all 3 have been plagarized.

[Baker]

Originally posted by Wasim
Myth: Syria supported the overthrown Iraqi regime

Reality: Syria did oppose the war on Iraq, but has never supported Saddam Hussein. Everybody knows that since Saddam came to power, Syrian-Iraqi relations have been so tense. Syria was the only Arab country to oppose Iraq's war against Iran between 1980 and 1988. Syrian troops were part of the international coalition that forced Iraqi army out of Kuwait in 1991. Diplomatic relations with the Iraqi government were severed in 1981, and although they relatively improved during the past few years, there is still no Iraqi Ambassador in Damascus nor a Syrian Ambassador in Baghdad. As a member of the UN Security Council Syria also voted in favour of resolution 1441 which demanded Iraq to disarm.

Myth: Syria's opposition to war means it supported Saddam

Reality: Syria, along with France, Russia, Germany, and China stood against war because it was a violation of international law, and because the Iraqi civilians will suffer in any military conflict. The US and Britain violated the UN charter when they attacked a member country without UN authorization. Many other countries around the world expressed their opposition to war, but nobody said that they supported Saddam. Damascus has made it clear that Syrians stand by the Iraqi people, not the regime, in this illegal war.

Myth: Iraq is hiding weapons of mass destruction in Syria.

Reality: Up to this moment, the US could not prove that Iraq actually had these weapons, which were the US-declared pretext for invading Iraq. Now they have invaded Iraq, and found nothing. When you it appears to the world that the reason behind your whole war was non-existent, Simply, accuse your enemy of hiding weapons somewhere, preferably in a country you want to put some pressure upon! It is ironic that this non-existent pretext will now be used against Syria!

Myth: Some Iraqi officials are seeking refuge in Syria.

Reality: Read Myth and Reality no.1 to know why it's impossible that Syria would welcome any Iraqi leader. It is also useful to know that the US now controls the highways between Iraq and Syria and they can stop anyone getting to the border. In addition, Syria closed the border after the regime in Baghdad collapsed. Syria said that if some Iraqi officials managed to infiltrate the long border, they will be handed over to the Iraqi authorities.

Myth: Syria sent volunteers to fight against the US in Iraq.

Reality: Syria did not 'send' these fighters. The border with Iraq was open to everybody who has completed travel requirements. So if someone went into Iraq and then took up arms against the US, it is not Syrian government's fault. It is true that many Syrians went to Iraq to defend it against the US invasion, but they individually decided to go there; the government did not encourage them to do so or facilitate their trip.

Myth: Syria is developing weapons of mass destruction.

Reality: Syria has no nuclear, chemical or biological weapons. A government official said Syria will welcome any UN weapons inspectors anytime. It is not Syria that owns 200 nuclear warheads and has known chemical and biological weapons programs. Hint: It is the US closest ally in the Middle East, starts with the letter 'I' and continues to violate more than 30 UN resolution with full support from the US: Israel.


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[ssibal]

Originally posted by Baker



Wasim do you know that this is in violation of the forum rules?



I do not think he cares, this is just one of 3 posts where he does this, see the above links.

[Baker]

Originally posted by ssibal


I do not think he cares, this is just one of 3 posts where he does this, see the above links.

He has been sent a PM from one of the moderators I'm sure he will hear from them on the other two posts also.

[ceo_esq]

Originally posted by Wasim
Myth: Syria is developing weapons of mass destruction.

Reality: Syria has no nuclear, chemical or biological weapons. Nonsense. Syria has loads of chemical weapons, and everyone knows it.

http://www.wisconsinproject.org/countries/syria/chem.html
http://www.nti.org/e_research/e1_syria_cwabstracts.html
http://cns.miis.edu/research/wmdme/syrscud.htm
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A42104-2003Apr16?language=printers
http://www.ceip.org/files/nonprolif/templates/article.asp?NewsID=2669

[Girl 6]

Wasim,

Your post is in violation of the forum rules. Please post the link instead within 24 hours.

thanks!
G6

[Baker]

Originally posted by Girl 6
Wasim,

Your post is in violation of the forum rules. Please post the link instead within 24 hours.

thanks!
G6

Thanks Girl6

[a_unique_person]

Originally posted by ssibal


But those are not Wasim's logical points, they are points that he plagarized. And he has done the same in these two threads:

http://www.randi.org/vbulletin/showthread.php?threadid=17711

http://www.randi.org/vbulletin/showthread.php?threadid=6087

*EDIT* Funny, so far Wasim has 3 posts and all 3 have been plagarized.

In case you haven't noticed, it is a popular pastime here. Being new to the forum, some members do not appear to know the correct etiquette for quoting information.

Either way, what is the rebuttal to the points raised?

[a_unique_person]

Originally posted by ceo_esq
Nonsense. Syria has loads of chemical weapons, and everyone knows it.

http://www.wisconsinproject.org/countries/syria/chem.html
http://www.nti.org/e_research/e1_syria_cwabstracts.html
http://cns.miis.edu/research/wmdme/syrscud.htm
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A42104-2003Apr16?language=printers
http://www.ceip.org/files/nonprolif/templates/article.asp?NewsID=2669

Perhaps that is to counter this?



Although the Jerusalem government has not officially acknowledged having nuclear weapons, U.S. intelligence has long been aware that its program began in the late 1960s, with the first crude weapons reportedly ready early in the 1970s. Recent U.S. estimates have put Israel's force at about 300 nuclear bombs and missile warheads.



http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A42104-2003Apr16?language=printers

[Wasim]

Originally posted by AN@S


ssibal ...
Your words means nothing ...
If you has something USEFUL to say you can say it...
If you can't respond to wasim's logical points .... this is another issue...

Ok .. Let me tell you somthing ..
maybe I should take a look again to the forum rules ...
and that doesn't mean the end of this discussion ...
And I respect your wrong opinion ceo_esq ...

[AN@S]

Originally posted by ceo_esq
Nonsense. Syria has loads of chemical weapons, and everyone knows it.

http://www.wisconsinproject.org/countries/syria/chem.html
http://www.nti.org/e_research/e1_syria_cwabstracts.html
http://cns.miis.edu/research/wmdme/syrscud.htm
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A42104-2003Apr16?language=printers
http://www.ceip.org/files/nonprolif/templates/article.asp?NewsID=2669

Syrians said that they'll welcome any inspectors from the UN in the middle east starting with israel...
Let's suppose that syria has WMD, Israel has, North korea has, USA has...
Why America want to start with syria??

[ceo_esq]

Originally posted by a_unique_person
Perhaps that is to counter this?
No perhaps about it. It is entirely understandable that the neighbors of an undeclared nuclear state would be under some pressure to develop nonconventional arsenals, especially when their collective conventional forces are extremely weak compared to Israel's.

I was simply correcting a significant factual misstatement.
Originally posted by Wasim
And I respect your wrong opinion ceo_esq ...Wasim, I wasn't expressing an opinion. That Syria possesses chemical weapons is a fact. Of course, Syria (unlike Iraq) is legally entitled to possess such weapons, so there's no reason to pretend they don't exist. Just correct your mistake and move on.

[Girl 6]

Thank you, Wasim, for quoting and providing the source for your post. :)

G6

[Wasim]

Originally posted by ceo_esq

Wasim, I wasn't expressing an opinion. That Syria possesses chemical weapons is a fact. Of course, Syria (unlike Iraq) is legally entitled to possess such weapons, so there's no reason to pretend they don't exist. Just correct your mistake and move on.

OK .. Let's say that it's true ... But I found no answer for this question : What is the reason of hiding the weapons in Syria ? For attack Israel ? For the future ? For what ???

Maybe the answer is very simple ... but it's maybe difficult to say :rolleyes:


Originally posted by Girl 6

Thank you, Wasim, for quoting and providing the source for your post. :)

G6


Thanks G6 and I haven't read the rules before .. And I hope that this mistake will not be shown again ...