RYAN WHISLER, Yo-Yo Dowser

[batman]

I moved to another part of the states. It took two months to get in with my new doctor. She's quite happy to do it for me, Dr. Ross. So times coming soon. I'll beat this challege no problem. Maybe even find the cure for H5n1? I bet some of you would like that.

[Dumb All Over]

Hello again, Ryan.

It is good to hear from you. It's even better to know that you continue to seek the professional medical and psychological help you need. Bravo. Good for you.

As for the Million Dollar Challenge, I have some bad news. You are no longer eligible to apply for the prize money. Randi recently announced that changes will be made to the Challenge Rules. As of April 1st, only those who have a "media profile" and are able to provide an "endorsement of an academic nature" will be considered as applicants. You meet neither of these conditions, Ryan.

Goodbye and good luck.

[rjh01]

batman
I think you will be welcome to post about what you are doing in this thread. Or start a new thread in Community (http://forums.randi.org/forumdisplay.php?f=26) where you do not even have to pretend you have any powers.

If you do decide you have powers and that you are sane then you can always find some other prizes to go for and win. Get a media presence. Then you can go for this one.

Good luck in whatever you decide to do in the future.

[Klaymore]

Wow, I haven't seen that about the new applicant criteria! Could you link the announcement, or tell me where to find it? Just when I was having SO MUCH fun reading all of the challenge applications...

No one with a "media presence" is ever going to apply for the prize, right? Fakes like Edwards, Geller, etc. are already making money; they've never had the collective balls to risk their jobs as confidence artists by trying to pick up an easy $1,000,000...

[William Smith]

Wow, I haven't seen that about the new applicant criteria! Could you link the announcement, or tell me where to find it?
...


Here you go: http://www.randi.org/jr/2007-01/011207challenge.html#i3

[Klaymore]

Thanks very much Kryzt. I'm reading it now.
(added after reading) Hmmm. Have some thoughts on that, but this isn't the thread for them. Is there a thread open to discuss the changes (as I take off to look for one)...

PS Ryan, please get some help, chief. I read your applicant profile. You are clearly a decent person, but you are clearly mentally ill, and should really address that. The challenge will still be here after you get professional help, even if you need to get a "media presence" first!

[William Smith]

Additional info on the Challenge changes: http://www.randi.org/jr/2007-01/011907tam.html#i4

[William Smith]

Thanks very much Kryzt. I'm reading it now.
(added after reading) Hmmm. Have some thoughts on that, but this isn't the thread for them. Is there a thread open to discuss the changes (as I take off to look for one)...

PS Ryan, please get some help, chief. I read your applicant profile. You are clearly a decent person, but you are clearly mentally ill, and should really address that. The challenge will still be here after you get professional help, even if you need to get a "media presence" first!

There is a thread named "Changes to the Challenge" but it seems rather derailed. http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=64917

[Klaymore]

There is a thread named "Changes to the Challenge" but it seems rather derailed.

LOL yeah, darned, darned, DARNED derailed. But I single-handedly fixed it with my brilliant thinking talk thing...

[batman]

Dear Dumb all Over. I almost done with the affidavits process and the third is being witnessed by a Dr. in Psyics. Tell you what, send me your e-mail address, I will give you one of the Dr's names and phone#.
You may call her and say your representing the JREF forum and want to know if Ryan really has the powers he claims.
You may then write down your response from the Dr. to the forum on what she told you. How does that sound? Will that help you.
When I applied, there were no requirements such as the new ones on the deal. Is this new rule for new app's and old app's?
If I need media coverage, why not? I already have that planned out as I write this.

[batman]

Not a threat. Some humor from my dark side filled by people's remarks. It doesn't matter what I use.

[batman]

Oh, and my e-mail address is ryanwhisler@hotmail.com. I'm open for the first journalist needing media coverage as well. The local newspaper here will likely do it also. If it's needed or required of me.

[Cuddles]

Dear Dumb all Over. I almost done with the affidavits process and the third is being witnessed by a Dr. in Psyics. Tell you what, send me your e-mail address, I will give you one of the Dr's names and phone#.

How would that help? The whole point of the afadavit is so that sort of thing is not necessary.

You may call her and say your representing the JREF forum and want to know if Ryan really has the powers he claims.
You may then write down your response from the Dr. to the forum on what she told you. How does that sound? Will that help you.

No-one on this forum represents the JREF apart from Jeff and Randi himself.

When I applied, there were no requirements such as the new ones on the deal. Is this new rule for new app's and old app's?
If I need media coverage, why not? I already have that planned out as I write this.

If your application was recieved before 01/04/07 then you do not need to follow the new requirements.

[Dumb All Over]

Oh, and my e-mail address is ryanwhisler@hotmail.com. I'm open for the first journalist needing media coverage as well. The local newspaper here will likely do it also. If it's needed or required of me.
Hi Ryan,
I will send you my e-mail address. But, Cuddles is correct. I do not represent the JREF. I am only a member of the JREF forum, as is just about everyone else who posts here. However, I don't mind being a conduit for information. Check your e-mail.

DAO.

[steenkh]

No-one on this forum represents the JREF apart from Jeff and Randi himself.
Ryan really only stated that Dumb All Over would represent the JREF forum, which is probably true, in as far that the JREF forum is not a legal entity, and Ryan presumably meant it as a form of identification.

[batman]

Yes, that is how I was thinking about it as forum representation. I'll check my e-mail now and give Dumb all Over the needed info. For anyone's future info, I have suffered some mental illness in the past due to too much life trauma with a mix of paranormal activity at the same time.
I became a broken machine and I'm getting well again. My next appointment with my doctor and her partner M.D. will be May 15th. My doctor is bringing in a Dr. in Psyics to watch the demonstration and help with the affidavits. I've had some problems in the past and things are going better with the help of some professionals who's affidavits would be well worthy. Now, to check my e-mail and go back home to the Bat Cave.

[Dumb All Over]

Thank you, Ryan. I have replied to your email.

For everyone here, Ryan has sent contact information. After a couple of technicalities are worked out with Ryan, I'll do my best to contact his doctor.

[William Smith]

I applaud your help, Dumb All Over, as well as your initiative, batman.

However, batman, why do you need Dumb All Over as a middle man, why not simply send the affidavit(s) straight to the JREF?

Have you made sure that your application file is still open and processed under the old rules?

[colin]

--snip--
For everyone here, Ryan has sent contact information. After a couple of technicalities are worked out with Ryan, I'll do my best to contact his doctor.

If this doctor is a MD and Ryan his/her patient, it is very unlikely that the doctor will give you any information at all.

Is Dr. in “Psyics” supposed to be “Physics”? I’m not being anal; I just want to make sure this isn’t some new term (potentially woo term) that I’m not familiar with.

[Dumb All Over]

If this doctor is a MD and Ryan his/her patient, it is very unlikely that the doctor will give you any information at all.
This is a very real possibility and the most major of the "technicalities" I speak of. Ryan is now aware of this hurdle and knows it is a concern of mine. I've asked him to consider this and to take steps that would allow for communication with his doctor.

The information Ryan sent states this doctor is an M.D.

[batman]

I can send the affidavits straight to the JREF, but I have to wait til they're finished by the Doc's. I have a demonstration to do on the 12th and then I have to schedule one with another doctor after that. The third one asked me to contact her after I've completed the appt. on the 12th.

[William Smith]

I can send the affidavits straight to the JREF, but I have to wait til they're finished by the Doc's. I have a demonstration to do on the 12th and then I have to schedule one with another doctor after that. The third one asked me to contact her after I've completed the appt. on the 12th.

Great. Do it.

Have you made sure that your application file is still open and processed under the old rules, batman?

[Dumb All Over]

I have a demonstration to do on the 12th.....
May I add that Ryan will also be meeting with his doctor on the 12th. This is the doctor Ryan asked me to contact. I have sent this doctor a release form to give to Ryan. Hopefully, Ryan will sign this, thereby allowing me to talk with this doctor in-depth.

[batman]

It's been signed. And today's demonstration went great. You should have the paperwork shortly DOM. Things are look'in good and soon I'll be able to help people with my skills.

[William Smith]

It's been signed. And today's demonstration went great. You should have the paperwork shortly DOM. Things are look'in good and soon I'll be able to help people with my skills.

Have you made sure that your application file is still open and processed under the old rules, batman?

[batman]

No I haven't. I may later. I have to discover whether this application's rules can be changed after signing and notorizing it first. If I did have to follow the new application rules and fullfilled them, they would possibly have the power to make more changes and make more delay to the challenge. Thanks for the reminder.

[William Smith]

No I haven't. I may later. I have to discover whether this application's rules can be changed after signing and notorizing it first. If I did have to follow the new application rules and fullfilled them, they would possibly have the power to make more changes and make more delay to the challenge. Thanks for the reminder.

Do not expect any Challenge Rules to be changed. It will not happen. Not one iota.

If you need confirmation, ask a JREF Official: challenge@randi.org

If your application has been accepted before April 01, 2007, you will have a chance to proceed to the testing stage. If not, you won't: See #12. (http://www.randi.org/research/challenge.html)

If you need confirmation, again, ask a JREF Official: challenge@randi.org

[batman]

I have affidavit #3 about complete. #1 is turned in, #2 is on the way and #3 I have to pick-up this week. All three are done by very worthy Dr.'s. So the affidavit part is about complete. The #3 is done by a very nice Dr. in Psyics and was a good help noticing some of the Psyics involved. Should have everything in by the middle of next month at latest. I spoke to my doctor for Dumb All Over's paperwork which needed to be faxed back and it should be there by now. All sounds fun.

[William Smith]

I have affidavit #3 about complete. #1 is turned in, #2 is on the way and #3 I have to pick-up this week. All three are done by very worthy Dr.'s. So the affidavit part is about complete. The #3 is done by a very nice Dr. in Psyics and was a good help noticing some of the Psyics involved. Should have everything in by the middle of next month at latest. I spoke to my doctor for Dumb All Over's paperwork which needed to be faxed back and it should be there by now. All sounds fun.

It sure does sound good. You will of course understand that only an official response from the JREF will be convincing. This includes a statement on the processing of your application.

Would you permit Dumb All Over to post the affidavit - or a transcript - in this thread? Or would you even consider doing it yourself, batman?

[Dumb All Over]

Gzuz,

My correspondence with Ryan and his doctor doesn't have much to do with affidavits. Ryan asked me to contact his doctor by phone and report on that conversation. I didn't feel comfortable doing this without Ryan's express written permission. In fact, HIPA laws will restrict the doctor from speaking to me without a proper release.

Several weeks ago I faxed the doctor a release form and cover letter. She did receive these.

As yet, I have not received the signed document (I just checked the fax machine). I hope what Ryan says above is true and that I will soon have his signed release in hand.

[batman]

DOM, could you give me your fax # by e-mail so that I can call my doctor and ask her to fax the documents, she seems to be forgetting. She says she has it and would send it. Thanks. Dealing with busy professionals always takes presistance. I signed them well over a month ago. Thanks for saying so.

[batman]

I don't know if It would be legal to post the affidavit. Giving out the MD's information to people could cause a lot of harrassment to the doctor. Asking James Randi or Jeff Waff if they have recieved #1 or 2 would be best. #2 is an assiciate of #1, so I'll find out if #2 has completed it and sent it yet. The last appt. with #1 I asked "did #2 complete the affidavit for me?". She said, #2 wasn't sure you would want her to. I said, "Yes I want here to please". Ahh! It takes a lot of polite persistence I tell you to get some people to budge. Thanks for letting me know DOM. I'll call her and leave a message ASAP.

[Dumb All Over]

DOM, could you give me your fax # by e-mail so that I can call my doctor and ask her to fax the documents, she seems to be forgetting. She says she has it and would send it. Thanks. Dealing with busy professionals always takes presistance. I signed them well over a month ago. Thanks for saying so.
Sure, Ryan. No problem. Check your email.

[batman]

On the 13th, I guess I could fax one of the affidavits to DOM's fax. My Dr. has one in her office and DOM can tell you what it says if DOM is kind enough. I have two sent in now. I'm not sure if #2 is sent in yet, #2 is an associate of Dr. #1 and will have to find out for sure on the 13th. Right now I'm going to e-mail the JREF and see if they have recieved all three.

[batman]

Also is RemieV taking over for Jeff Wagg. If so, does anyone know how I can contact here to see if they have all affidavits and where I stand on the challege. My time is limited on the library computer. Thanks

[William Smith]

Also is RemieV taking over for Jeff Wagg. If so, does anyone know how I can contact here to see if they have all affidavits and where I stand on the challege. My time is limited on the library computer. Thanks

Do not expect any Challenge Rules to be changed. It will not happen. Not one iota.

If you need confirmation, ask a JREF Official: challenge@randi.org

If your application has been accepted before April 01, 2007, you will have a chance to proceed to the testing stage. If not, you won't: See #12. (http://www.randi.org/research/challenge.html)

If you need confirmation, again, ask a JREF Official: challenge@randi.org

:rolleyes:

[Dumb All Over]

Hello folks,

I have some very interesting news. Yesterday I received a fax from the office of Ryan's doctor. It is a copy of a letter addressed to the JREF and dated October 20th. The body of the letter reads as follows--


To the James Randi Educational Foundation members:

I wish to inform you that, on 05/14/07, I have had the pleasure of witnessing Mr. Whisler's paranormal experiment, which was to show how he has communicated with a ball to have it move, while suspended from a string, in the direction Mr. Whisler willed it to go. I will verify that he was able to telekinetically will the ball to move in a chosen direction 50% of the time. He replaced his yo-yo with a ball(tennis).

Please let me know if you need any other information.


The letter is signed by the doctor and is notarized. I'm at work and will comment further when I get home this evening.

DAO

[William Smith]

Hello folks,

I have some very interesting news. Yesterday I received a fax from the office of Ryan's doctor. It is a copy of a letter addressed to the JREF and dated October 20th. The body of the letter reads as follows--





The letter is signed by the doctor and is notarized. I'm at work and will comment further when I get home this evening.

DAO

:boggled:

[Dumb All Over]

:boggled:
I know. My sentiments exactly.

[rjh01]

He probably is the only applicant ever to send in a real letter saying someone has witnessed a paranormal event. But is it too late? He sent in the claim in early 2006 more than 12 months ago.

[Dumb All Over]

The letter is addressed to the JREF in Fort Lauderdale.

The fax cover sheet says the doctor is a Board Certified Psychiatrist (Child and General Psychiatry).

[Gravy]

The woo works in mysterious ways.

[Jeff Wagg]

Hello folks,

I have some very interesting news. Yesterday I received a fax from the office of Ryan's doctor. It is a copy of a letter addressed to the JREF and dated October 20th. The body of the letter reads as follows--

The letter is signed by the doctor and is notarized. I'm at work and will comment further when I get home this evening.

DAO

Just to let people know.. the JREF knows nothing about this. Also, the letter says he can choose the direction 50% of the time. If there are only two directions... I'm a bit puzzled.

[Dumb All Over]

Jeff, please let us know if and when you receive the letter. I have a few angry thoughts I'd like to get off my chest but will refrain until you acknowledge receipt. This is not turning out the way I had imagined.

[Cuddles]

Also, the letter says he can choose the direction 50% of the time. If there are only two directions... I'm a bit puzzled.

That's what I was thinking. Using only the power of his mind, he can get a ball on a string to do exactly what it would have done anyway. Amazing.

[William Smith]

The wording used by the "psychiatrist" seems a little odd, doesn't it? Perhaps batman has more humor than we thought?

Once JREF has received said letter, it'll be easy to contact said person and get to the bottom of this.

[YouBelieveWHAT?]

It seems that the letter was written on 14th May - or at least started.

Now - correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't we at the back end of October?

I can be a slow writer on occasion, but....

YBW

[Dumb All Over]

I wish I had done this sooner. I googled up the doctor.

At www.ecol.us/ministers.php (http://www.ecol.us/ministers.php) she is listed as a Reverend and President of this group. Their services "...include a healing meditation, lecture, inspirational music and a demonstration of psychic expressions for individual encouragement and spiritual upliftment."

At http://innerperceptions.com/teachers.html she's a "...Psychiatrist, ordained minister, reiki practitioner, teacher, lecturer, clairvoyant reader, astrologer."

On at least one occasion, her expert opinion was used to help determine legal action in a child custody case- http://www.state.hi.us/jud/ica22373sdo.htm

She shows up here, too- http://www.hawaii.gov/spo2/health/hcpo/search_results.php

:eye-poppi

[William Smith]

I wish I had done this sooner. I googled up the doctor.

At www.ecol.us/ministers.php (http://www.ecol.us/ministers.php) she is listed as a Reverend and President of this group. Their services "...include a healing meditation, lecture, inspirational music and a demonstration of psychic expressions for individual encouragement and spiritual upliftment."

At http://innerperceptions.com/teachers.html she's a "...Psychiatrist, ordained minister, reiki practitioner, teacher, lecturer, clairvoyant reader, astrologer."

On at least one occasion, her expert opinion was used to help determine legal action in a child custody case- http://www.state.hi.us/jud/ica22373sdo.htm

She shows up here, too- http://www.hawaii.gov/spo2/health/hcpo/search_results.php

:eye-poppi

Thanks, DAO.

Once JREF receives the doctor's letter and lets us know if batman's application is processed, we'll be all the wiser.

Still: :eye-poppi

[Cuddles]

I wish I had done this sooner. I googled up the doctor.

At www.ecol.us/ministers.php (http://www.ecol.us/ministers.php) she is listed as a Reverend and President of this group. Their services "...include a healing meditation, lecture, inspirational music and a demonstration of psychic expressions for individual encouragement and spiritual upliftment."

At http://innerperceptions.com/teachers.html she's a "...Psychiatrist, ordained minister, reiki practitioner, teacher, lecturer, clairvoyant reader, astrologer."

On at least one occasion, her expert opinion was used to help determine legal action in a child custody case- http://www.state.hi.us/jud/ica22373sdo.htm

She shows up here, too- http://www.hawaii.gov/spo2/health/hcpo/search_results.php

:eye-poppi

Unfortunately, I suspect none of this really matters. Assuming she really is a qualified doctor, she is qualified to give an affidavit. The JREF never specified it have to be from a competent, woo-free doctor, indeed, it would be impossible to do so and still be taken seriously. It's actually one thing that's always surprised me though. Given the number of professionals with any number of woo beliefs, how come applicants have always found it so hard to actually get one to witness their abilities?

[rjh01]

Be interesting to see JREF's reaction if they ever get it. Can do ability at chance level. Do they then reject the application or do they say 1 down 2 to go? Looks like he had his pre preliminary test and failed.

The doctor would not be 100% woo. He gave an accurate letter.

[William Smith]

"Show me potato salad."

[William Smith]

Despite what Jeff stated here (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?postid=3091975#post3091975) I just asked RemieV via PM if the JREF has received said letter.

One can't say we didn't try.

[RemieV]

Despite what Jeff stated here (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?postid=3091975#post3091975) I just asked RemieV via PM if the JREF has received said letter.

One can't say we didn't try.

I'm looking into it. I'm not on-site at the JREF, and it's possible it just didn't get forwarded to me. I'll let you know when I do.

[RemieV]

Unfortunately, much of the JREF staff is on holiday and I probably won't have a definitive answer for some time. However, I can say that if the affidavit was faxed after the April 1st rule change, Mr. Whisler will have to get the media presence just like everyone else who applied after that date. Also, after a year without contact, Challenge applications are closed. This means that his file has been closed at the JREF and is not in my possession. If we are re-opening the file, I'm going to need e-mail contact before requesting that the file is forwarded to me. Once the file is forwarded, I can see where we stand.

[William Smith]

I just asked RemieV for an update.

[Czarcasm]

Hey, let's not rush things! :D

[Dumb All Over]

I've not heard from Ryan since my last post above, well over a year.

[William Smith]

Let's hope he's all right.