The bizzare world of Breatharianism

[dogbite666]

Hi,

I've recently been talking to a group known as breatharians. They claim to be able to survive without consuming food. If you thought homeopaths or christians were strange, just check out some of their twisted beliefs in this interview with one of the leaders called Wiley Brookes. Has anyone heard of this guy before?

http://www.breatharian.com/breatharianism2.htm

enjoy!

dog.

[Deetee]

I still remember the furore in Scotland after one devotee took these ridiculous claims literally, and starved to death in a tent (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/453661.stm).
I recall she won a Darwin award for her efforts.

[CFLarsen]

Randi's take on it. (http://www.randi.org/jr/070105quality.html)

[Lothian]

Rick Ross has quite a bit about them here (http://www.rickross.com/groups/breat.html).

[Almo]

A friend of mine mentioned the Breatharians to me about 10 years ago... I didn't quite believe him. He DID say that their skin seemed almost translucent, and so must have been nearly starving themselves.

[The_Fire]

I bet the garbage can could shed a little light on these dude(tte)s eating habits...Wanna bet it contains more than air and light?

[dogbite666]

this line has me in stiches!

"Wiley was first introduced to the world back in 1981 when he appeared on the national TV show "THAT'S INCREDIBLE" demonstrating his strength by lifting 1100 lbs of weights, nearly 10 times his body weight. When in a non-polluted environment, (Air or Electro) he sleeps 1 to 7 hours a week. Although Wiley is now 66 years of age he is still able to lift 600 to 900 lbs of weight without ever working out."

I guess that would sure qualify for the JREF $million.

[Ripley Twenty-Nine]

this line has me in stiches!

"Wiley was first introduced to the world back in 1981 when he appeared on the national TV show "THAT'S INCREDIBLE" demonstrating his strength by lifting 1100 lbs of weights, nearly 10 times his body weight. When in a non-polluted environment, (Air or Electro) he sleeps 1 to 7 hours a week. Although Wiley is now 66 years of age he is still able to lift 600 to 900 lbs of weight without ever working out."

I guess that would sure qualify for the JREF $million.
This was my favourite quote from Wiley:
From Bretharian.com
Wiley: When we begin to look at air as a food, it becomes self evident that this food is by far more essential for sustaining life than anything else we might take. Science has proven that the average person can live 30 days or more on just air and water alone. But only a few minutes without air.

I'm sorry, what was your claim again?

[Azrael 5]

I remember seeing a woman Breatharian on UK daytime TV a few years ago,can't remember her name;but the presenters were sucked in.Not difficult,when you recall they were also sucked in about EVP,re-incarnation..and Mia Dolan!! :rolleyes:

[CACTUSJACKmankin]

I know people like to challenge established beliefs but somethings your parents tell you when you are three are true. Eating is not the oppression of the food industry, it is a physiologic requirement.

Interesting that this Jasmuheen's response to followers starving to death is that they weren't focused enough. Does the same thing hold true for people in Africa? I got it, don't send food, send prana!!! How heartless can you be?

Does this woman have no shame? What's in it for this whore? money? attention? This isn't a cute "what's the harm in it?" skepticism, people have died following the advice of this <v^+. She needs to be prosecuted!!!

[TimmyBerry]

My faith in human kind is dropping proportionately to the amount of time spent on this board.

Leaving her in a tent in the middle of nowhere might be more fitting, though.

[AnotherSillyAlias]

There was another mob of crazies I heard about a while ago. They claimed you could get all the energy you needed by staring at the sun!

I don't know if they were connected with this mob of crazies.

[Dogdoctor]

I met a guy who was trying to be a breatharian and who was not eating anything and laying in the sun for energy. He was of the belief that if he could go 7 months without food he would be spiritually pure. I met him around 5 months along. He looked like pictures I had seen of prisoners in concentration camps in Germany, basically skin draped over bones. I told his friend who introduced us to get him to a doctor and he said that they had discussed it and that there was no way he was going to go. He died 2 days later.

[CFLarsen]

It's very easy to prove - yes, prove - that Breatharians can't live without food.

Take their temperature.

If they have a temperature above absolute zero, then they radiate heat. Ergo, they use more energy than they get. Ergo, they need to take in more energy than they get.

You can't beat the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics.

[vbloke]

You can't beat the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics. ...you could write it down, pin it up and hit it with a stick.

These Breatharians are an odd bunch. Here's my proposal - beautiful in it's simplicity:
since the leaders of the movement are clearly, by all rational though, inciting people to essentially kill themselves through starvation, arrest them for attempted manslaughter, lock them up and deny them food. Once they've almost starved to death themselves, parade them in front of the Breatharian adherants to show what a lying bunch of weasels they really are.

[The Don]

...you could write it down, pin it up and hit it with a stick.

These Breatharians are an odd bunch. Here's my proposal - beautiful in it's simplicity:
since the leaders of the movement are clearly, by all rational though, inciting people to essentially kill themselves through starvation, arrest them for attempted manslaughter, lock them up and deny them food. Once they've almost starved to death themselves, parade them in front of the Breatharian adherants to show what a lying bunch of weasels they really are.
They'd claim that the air inside prison was polluted and so didn't allow them to absorb the energy they needed.

They'd have a get-out and the farce would continue

[Bone_Vulture]

It's very easy to prove - yes, prove - that Breatharians can't live without food.

Take their temperature.

If they have a temperature above absolute zero, then they radiate heat. Ergo, they use more energy than they get. Ergo, they need to take in more energy than they get.

You can't beat the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics.

But.. but.. that's exactly why they can find sustenance from sunlight. They soak up more solar heat than their body loses! :eek:

[CFLarsen]

...you could write it down, pin it up and hit it with a stick.

These Breatharians are an odd bunch. Here's my proposal - beautiful in it's simplicity:
since the leaders of the movement are clearly, by all rational though, inciting people to essentially kill themselves through starvation, arrest them for attempted manslaughter, lock them up and deny them food. Once they've almost starved to death themselves, parade them in front of the Breatharian adherants to show what a lying bunch of weasels they really are.

And the followers will say: "See? They're still alive!"

They'd claim that the air inside prison was polluted and so didn't allow them to absorb the energy they needed.

Yeah, Jasmuheen tried that one, when she was tested. She wasn't in jail, though...

But.. but.. that's exactly why they can find sustenance from sunlight. They soak up more solar heat than their body loses! :eek:

In which case people in Central Africa can't die of hunger. Yet, they do.

[Bone_Vulture]

In which case people in Central Africa can't die of hunger. Yet, they do.

That's because they have those stupid huts and trees that produce shadow, blocking sun's beneficial effects. :rolleyes:

[Rolfe]

That's because they have those stupid huts and trees that produce shadow, blocking sun's beneficial effects. :rolleyes:No no, it's because they're not focussed enough, and they don't have the benefit of Jasmuheen's teachings. :D

Rolfe.

[Jekyll]

In which case people in Central Africa can't die of hunger. Yet, they do.
They haven't spiritually evolved new DNA yet.

I always thought Breatharianism was a very English thing.
"Yes, I only need air to survive."
"No, I won't give up my tea and biscuits. What do you think I am some kind of savage?"

[CFLarsen]

No no, it's because they're not focussed enough, and they don't have the benefit of Jasmuheen's teachings. :D

Rolfe.

This is the more likely explanation. Thereby, of course, indicating that they are mere savages...

[The Don]

Of course The Hollies are to blame

".... All I need is the air that I breathe....."

[Ririon]

Of course The Hollies are to blame

".... All I need is the air that I breathe....."
And love. Don't forget love. As he says: "The Human Body is simply a love machine." :D

[Ed]

It's very easy to prove - yes, prove - that Breatharians can't live without food.

Take their temperature.

If they have a temperature above absolute zero, then they radiate heat. Ergo, they use more energy than they get. Ergo, they need to take in more energy than they get.

You can't beat the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics.

Not exactly. If their temperature is above the ambient temperature there is some physiologic process going on. I thought though that they claim that air provides sustenence so there would be a physiologic process. You can't attain absolute zero.

The problem, as usual, is thet the claim is non-falsifiable. If one of these idiots dies he simply was not doing it correctly. But isn't this particular group a lot like the Shakers who eshewed sex? Predictably the sect died out. Why are there any of these guys?

[CFLarsen]

Not exactly. If their temperature is above the ambient temperature there is some physiologic process going on. I thought though that they claim that air provides sustenence so there would be a physiologic process.

Decay! Of course! That would explain a lot, actually...

You can't attain absolute zero.

Sure, we can. Inside Sylvia Browne's heart.

The problem, as usual, is thet the claim is non-falsifiable. If one of these idiots dies he simply was not doing it correctly. But isn't this particular group a lot like the Shakers who eshewed sex? Predictably the sect died out. Why are there any of these guys?

No, I heard recently that there were four left. Three men and a woman, I think. Strange, they haven't caught up with the idea that they would anihilate themselves without children....

[Lisa Simpson]

On a related note, I found Oxycise (http://www.oxycise.com/), a weight-loss method that only requires a specific method of breathing. No exercise, no changing one's diet--just breathing. It's amazing that anyone is fat.

[CurtC]

I haven't done any research into this, so would someone explain it to me? My impression is that the followers of Breatharianism are pretty short in the critical thinking department, and believe that when they eat they are simply failing to attain their ideals, like Christianity and sinning. It's only the few who successfully avoid food who eventually die. The others get along for some time by "sinning." Is that right?

And what about the "leaders"? Are they deluded believers too, or do they really know that the reason they're still alive is that they actually do eat occasionally?

[steenkh]

The leaders have reached a higher plane where it is not sinful to eat. They can gorge while their supporters starve.

[The Don]

There's a long history of starvation and self-mortification. If I reacall correctly, there was certainly some Italian nun in the 14th century who hardly ate at all and was subsequently considered very pious.

Breatharianism presumably is just an extension of the sam basic concept

[The_Fire]

Sure, we can. Inside Sylvia Browne's heart.



SPEW!
Dude, you almost cost me a new keyboard and monitor......ROFLOL

And love. Don't forget love. As he says: "The Human Body is simply a love machine."

Which in itself have some promise...............

I rather like Wileys reasons to why he is still eating though:

from the Breathian site:

He has found four major deterrents to being able to live totally without food. They Are:
People pollution.
Food pollution
Air pollution
Electro pollution
In other words:
In order to live on air alone one would have to:
Anihilate the world population
Anihilate food
anihilate modern industry
Anihilate electronic equipment.

So how come that people have been dying from starvation frequently since the dawn of ANYTHING resembling a humanoid even BEFORE any of these problems arose?
And where are the bodies or living sample of these supposedly several thousand years old people who have actually done it?
I also find it interesting that due to the 4 reasons listed, Twit1 are still eating while, as other people in this thread have pointed out, have literally starved themselves to death.

*thump*


That was the sound of my respect for the average human beings ability to reason and logical thinking hitting new depths.........

[CFLarsen]

SPEW!
Dude, you almost cost me a new keyboard and monitor......ROFLOL
Sadly, I'm right.

That was the sound of my respect for the average human beings ability to reason and logical thinking hitting new depths.........

Some human beings. You can't call Breatharians "average human beings". If they were, mankind would be extinct by now.

[ChristineR]

On a related note, I found Oxycise (http://www.oxycise.com/), a weight-loss method that only requires a specific method of breathing. No exercise, no changing one's diet--just breathing. It's amazing that anyone is fat.

I checked Oxycise out of the library just to see what it was. It's actually a series of moderately tough yoga poses which you hold while wheezing. So it's not shocking that some people lose a little weight with this. But the theory behind the breathing is hilarious.

[The_Fire]

Some human beings. You can't call Breatharians "average human beings". If they were, mankind would be extinct by now.

True. I agree after rereading my post. However I reserve the right to add several groups to this list of "special cases" as I go.

[chipmunk stew]

There's a long history of starvation and self-mortification. If I reacall correctly, there was certainly some Italian nun in the 14th century who hardly ate at all and was subsequently considered very pious.

Breatharianism presumably is just an extension of the sam basic conceptI always got the feeling (and I think current research bears this out) that anorexics and bulemics avoided food out of misplaced righteousness rather than a desire to lose weight. And many cultures and religions have fasting rituals. This seems to me the same desire to transcend the bonds of mortality and express pious self-discipline, taken to a cultish level.

[ungoliant]

as i understand it, breatharianism is big in china. i once stayed at a dude ranch that had previously been a breatharian ranch. upstate new york. now it is a yoga retreat. very beautiful place.

[Jorghnassen]

After seeing those crazy raw food vegans on P&T BS, I wonder how scary an actual practicing breatharian looks.

[CFLarsen]

After seeing those crazy raw food vegans on P&T BS, I wonder how scary an actual practicing breatharian looks.
Look for increasingly thinner people.

[Lisa Simpson]

I always got the feeling (and I think current research bears this out) that anorexics and bulemics avoided food out of misplaced righteousness rather than a desire to lose weight. And many cultures and religions have fasting rituals. This seems to me the same desire to transcend the bonds of mortality and express pious self-discipline, taken to a cultish level.


Can you point me towards that current research?

[chipmunk stew]

Can you point me towards that current research?Erm...no... :blush:

I've read on several occasions things like "recent studies are showing that anorexics get a euphoric feeling from hunger" and stuff like that, but I've never actually seen any sources reporting anything like what I thought I was innocently paraphrasing. I retract the statement.

[Rolfe]

There are certainly a lot of accounts of anorectics feeling extremely guilty if they eat. This seems to be the explanation for a lot of bulimia - punishment for having eaten.

Rolfe.

[The Don]

There's also the research from the "Calorie Restriction" (http://www.calorierestriction.org/) people who seem to propose that if your caloric intake is lower, you live longer.

Their graph on the first page of their web site indicates that your intake should be restricted by about 50-60%. Now assuming that you're doing the same amount of work, this would imply that your weight is going to be 40-50% of its current value. Put another way at 6'2" (1.87) my weight would need to be about 6 1/2 stone, 90lbs (43 kg).

That just sounds plain wrong. To me this seems like people living a Spartan lifestyle to prove how "virtuous" they are.

Of course the (il)logical extrapolation is that consuming no food will prolong life indefinitely. Or perhaps it would just feel that way.

[CFLarsen]

I'd rather live 75 years with good food and wine, than live 150 years on spring water and rice crackers.

[dogbite666]

If any of you want a good laugh come over to Jasmuheen's forum and try reasoning with these freaks, occasionally Jasmuheen, Ellen Greve, posts on there herself, I've asked her many time why she doesn't accept Randi's personal challenge to her, her excuses are hilarious:

http://www.jasmuheen.com/forum/forum.asp?FORUM_ID=9

[Almo]

Wow. Just... Wow. I can't believe people buy this crap. :( It's depressing, really.

[drfrank]

Wow. Just... Wow. I can't believe people buy this crap. :( It's depressing, really.
Hey, what a great opportunity to try out my new signature :D

You're right, though, it's amazingly depressing

[ChristineR]

I'd rather live 75 years with good food and wine, than live 150 years on spring water and rice crackers.

Get back to us when you're 72....

[aggle-rithm]

I seem to remember followers of this movement calling themselves "airafarians". This would have been back in the seventies. Am I remembering this wrong? Or was this a separate movement?

[Z]

I notice that their Guru is offering a 5 day, 4 night thing in Santa Fe, at the going rate of $5000 per person.

My roommate wants me to write them and ask if that includes meals. I've declined on the grounds that they might write me back.

Anyone else feel daring?

edited to corect swil indused missspelings.

[c4ts]

I like how some breatharian pamphlets warn you not to actually do it and consult a doctor first, while at the same time, attack western medicine.

[dogbite666]

I notice that their Guru is offering a 5 day, 4 night thing in Santa Fe, at the going rate of $5000 per person.

My roommate wants me to write them and ask if that includes meals. I've declined on the grounds that they might write me back.

Anyone else feel daring?

edited to corect swil indused missspelings.


Well, I emailed him and he reponded, I'll see how long I can keep the roose going before I pop the meals question!

"In a message dated 1/20/2006 6:09:19 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, ***@hotmail.com writes:
I would like to know a little more information about your initialtion
workshops. As a qualified light worker I am interested in progressing to the
next level of ascension . How long does your private class last? Where
abouts does it take place and what is the financial cost?

Many thanks,

Love and light to you

John.

Dear John,

I do only Empowered Ascension initiations. This requires a great deal of responsibility of the potential student. Please read very carefully ( On my web site breatharian.com/ , under Ascension, "How do we step into our lightbodies") the difference between "Simple Ascension" and "Empowered Ascension" because the actual process cannot be explained using words only.

The initiation process takes 5 days and most be done here in the Phoenix, AZ area. The right location is a very critical part of the process. The cost is $5,000 US.

Thank you for your interest,
Wiley
"

[dogbite666]

Oh boy, this is gonna be fun! here's my reply.....

"Dear Wiley,

I thank you so much for reply. I have worked as a light worker for sometime, over ten years. I originally learnt this amazing skill by myself but recently took a course with Diana Cooper, a light and angel worker. She has inspired me so much and I feel unlocked a hugh resource of prana within me. Please could you describe the agenda for the 5 day course. I understand that this will take a huge amount of work on my part, before I can even contemplate becoming a manifestation of God-light on this Earth.

Love and Light,

John."

[Ed]

Look for increasingly thinner people.

That would be North Korea.

[Ed]

Oh boy, this is gonna be fun! here's my reply.....

"Dear Wiley,

I thank you so much for reply. I have worked as a light worker for sometime, over ten years. I originally learnt this amazing skill by myself but recently took a course with Diana Cooper, a light and angel worker. She has inspired me so much and I feel unlocked a hugh resource of prana within me. Please could you describe the agenda for the 5 day course. I understand that this will take a huge amount of work on my part, before I can even contemplate becoming a manifestation of God-light on this Earth.

Love and Light,

John."

Tell him you are missing some fingers so you need to eat less. Ask him if amputations would speed the process along.

In the goodliness of godliness and light and power and connecticut light and power

Ed

[Jon.]

Well, I emailed him and he reponded, I'll see how long I can keep the roose going before I pop the meals question!

"Please read very carefully ( On my web site breatharian.com/ , under Ascension, "How do we step into our lightbodies") the difference between "Simple Ascension" and "Empowered Ascension" because the actual process cannot be explained using words only. "

:jaw-dropp

Good luck with that.

ETA: The bold is mine, obviously.

[drfrank]

...
Please read very carefully ( On my web site breatharian.com/ , under Ascension, "How do we step into our lightbodies") the difference between "Simple Ascension" and "Empowered Ascension" because the actual process cannot be explained using words only.
...
"

I predict that the words need to be accompanied by
a) a hilarious dance
b) a large quantity of acid
c) both

[Z]

Be sure to ask him if that price includes meals...

[Kochanski]

Well, I emailed him and he reponded, I'll see how long I can keep the roose going before I pop the meals question!

"In a message dated 1/20/2006 6:09:19 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, ***@hotmail.com writes:
I would like to know a little more information about your initialtion
workshops. As a qualified light worker I am interested in progressing to the
next level of ascension . How long does your private class last? Where
abouts does it take place and what is the financial cost?

Many thanks,

Love and light to you

John.

Dear John,

I do only Empowered Ascension initiations. This requires a great deal of responsibility of the potential student. Please read very carefully ( On my web site breatharian.com/ , under Ascension, "How do we step into our lightbodies") the difference between "Simple Ascension" and "Empowered Ascension" because the actual process cannot be explained using words only.

The initiation process takes 5 days and most be done here in the Phoenix, AZ area. The right location is a very critical part of the process. The cost is $5,000 US.

Thank you for your interest,
Wiley
"

I am curious how reading the site will help if the process can not be explained using words only. So, do they show you cartoons? Diagrams? PowerPoint presentations? Pictographs? :p

Seems like all the "Ascension" is going on in their bank account. Wonder if these people pay taxes? Or have they received "religion" status from government.

I am truly amazed at the stupid things people will believe, ok, maybe not, belief systems basically tell people to just listen and not think for them selves.

[kaisersean]

The whole Breathanarian- breatharian- however it's spelled seems to me a perfect time to use Larry Niven's dictum- "Think of it as evolution in action."

[Hellbound]

The whole Breathanarian- breatharian- however it's spelled seems to me a perfect time to use Larry Niven's dictum- "Think of it as evolution in action."

Well said.

As I am always fond of declaring, Give Evolution a Chance...get rid of Warning Labels :D

[dogbite666]

Hi John,

We will be together for up to 8 hours a day, depending on how much information and increases in your personal power you can handle. We will be traveling to many energy vortexes which trigger certain DNA coding in your light body. This is all I can say about the process before your are initiated. I hope this helps.

Wiley

[dogbite666]

give me some inspiration, what shall I write back?

[Nex]

give me some inspiration, what shall I write back? Eh, throw him some more questions.

< newage >

What kind of vortexes (vortices?) are they? Can someone without fully activated prana/kundalini access these vortices? What about the chakras; must they all be fully opened and attuned, or only the root through to the plexus? Will there be meals served before the ascension? If so, are they vegan/vegetarian?

< /newage >

Ew. I feel dirty now.

[steenkh]

Will the changes in DNA coding be permanent? Are they inheritable?

Will my magnetic bracelet interfere with the opening of the vortices?

I have heard that some people are being lost in their light bodies. Is there a danger of not coming back?

:D

[dogbite666]

Hi Wiley,

Thank you once again for your response, I know you are a very busy person but please may I ask you some more questions before I commit to the workshop. I am a little concerned about the changes in my DNA, will these changes be permanent and are they inheritable? I also have a metal pin in my leg from surgery I had after a skiing accident, will this cause problems with my ability to move through the energy vorticies?

Many thanks for your answers,

Love and Light,

John.

[luchog]

I'd rather live 75 years with good food and wine, than live 150 years on spring water and rice crackers.
Whether I agree with you or not would depend on what else i'm getting out of it. Like lots of amazing sex and significant artistic recognition.

If i had that, I could live without the food and booze. Giving up chocolate and Belgian abbey ales would be hard, though.

[dogbite666]

Dear John,

The DNA changes are permanent and inheritable. After the initiation you will know exactly what you need to do about any metal in your body. Whether its the pin in your leg or tooth fillings in your month. This process builds a totally new crystal based physical body which replaces your current physical body. You will have the power and the knowledge to do whatever you need to do to complete your mission here (on Earth)

Wiley.

[steenkh]

Your heirs will probably find that your shiny new crystal body will be worth a lot more than the 5000$ you spent to get it! :D

[c4ts]

Is he serious? Remove pin, leg falls apart...

[dogbite666]

Oh I am getting good at this! or maybe I've been hanging around with the woo crowd a bit too long!

"Dear Wiley,

Wow! My body will completely change into a new crystal form! That is amazing, what is the form of the crystal?

I believe my mission is to help my fellow humans by becoming an accended master, help cure the human race of all its sins and help us into the new indigo age. I have been advised, whilst astral travelling, that Sananda will return to Earth in the physical form to help those who choose enlightenment as the path to reality.

I would like to sign up for the private course if you will be willing to teach me? Would you like me to give you a down payment? Maybe we should meet up in the astral plain this week?

I look forward to meeting you soon, both in reality and in astral body.

love and light.

John"

[c4ts]

Careful. Chrono might still be lurking about the astral plane, ready to blast you with ki!

[drfrank]

Dear John,

The DNA changes are permanent and inheritable. After the initiation you will know exactly what you need to do about any metal in your body. Whether its the pin in your leg or tooth fillings in your month. This process builds a totally new crystal based physical body which replaces your current physical body. You will have the power and the knowledge to do whatever you need to do to complete your mission here (on Earth)

Wiley.

I think that final answer crossed over my personal mental line between "misguided spiritualist" and "evil charlatan".

It's still hilariously funny, though :D

[Kochanski]

Dear John,

The DNA changes are permanent and inheritable. After the initiation you will know exactly what you need to do about any metal in your body. Whether its the pin in your leg or tooth fillings in your month. This process builds a totally new crystal based physical body which replaces your current physical body. You will have the power and the knowledge to do whatever you need to do to complete your mission here (on Earth)

Wiley.


OOOH NOOOO, it is a Chrystalline Entity....RUN AWAY!!!!!! :D Or at least go find Data to help you ;)

[dogbite666]

"Hi John,

You are already an ascended Master. One of the reasons you are here is to ascend again and this time taking 100,000's of people with you.
You have all the answers you need at this time to begin the process. After I have received the full $5,000 you will be committed to complete the process and we can set a date to begin. Our work is here in the physical and the world is waiting for you.

Wiley"

[dogbite666]

ok, I've popped the question about meals!

"Thanks again Wiley,

I can't wait to meet up with you, please can you clarify a few things first? The $5000, does that include meals and lodging?

John."

[Lothian]

£5000 is a lot of money (unless travel is included).

Perhaps you might like to point out that the QUIMBY AMENTI FOUNDATION (http://mystery-school.com/MysterySchoolSchedule.html)
also in Santa fe offers Noetic Field Therapy courses where you learn to how to balance and align the Noetic Field (known by the ancients as the human aura). As a practitioner you will learn to align with higher consciousness, find the blocks in the energy field, guide the client, and sense the changes in the field as balancing and alignment occur. This requires an exploration of your own multidimensional capacity and how to relate to the client through these subtle fields of reality for a mere $2,100 (down to $1900 for prompt payment.)

This is much more in line with your budget.
Does Wiley know anything about Noetic field therapy and would he recommend his rival in woo or does he have some cheaper options.

[CENOBITE]

you think the breath-a-whatevers are strange... you should check out the people who drill holes into their own heads thinking it will make them smarter! 8o

[veggie doll]

Erm...no... :blush:

I've read on several occasions things like "recent studies are showing that anorexics get a euphoric feeling from hunger" and stuff like that, but I've never actually seen any sources reporting anything like what I thought I was innocently paraphrasing. I retract the statement.
Yes, the feeling one has from being hungry may be euphoric. As a former anorexic, I know that the dizzy, nervous feeling that comes from hunger can be exciting. Of course, this isn't why eating disorders are developed- not at all. It's a feeling that can happen in the process, but actually being truly ana/mia requires some emotional/mental body issues. For me, everybody else seemed almost... 2D. I had to actually live within my body, and the space it occupied seemed unbearable.

Back on topic- The Breatharians are nuts. Nobody sticks with it for a long time, because those who try to starve to death. The 'leaders' or 'elders' or whatever they are called have all been found to eat food occasionally, though they claim it is for the taste.

And didn't some reporter or something find food in that woman's house? Oh wait, it was there for her boyfriend. Funny- you think if she was that into it she'd really only be dating other Breatharians.

[chipmunk stew]

you think the breath-a-whatevers are strange... you should check out the people who drill holes into their own heads thinking it will make them smarter! 8oYou mean these guys?
http://www.trepan.com/index.html
Watch the scary movie.

[dogbite666]

You mean these guys?
http://www.trepan.com/index.html
Watch the scary movie.

Christ!!! that is freakin scary!

[DeVega]

OMG! That is well scary!!!
The movie goes on a bit...

I have to say though - great looking site. V. professional - d'you think if I let them drill a hole in me head they'll loan me their IT guy? ;-)

[Blue Bubble]

Blimey :eek:

Come on now, folks ... roll up, roll up ... volunteers ?

[veggie doll]

OMG! That is well scary!!!
The movie goes on a bit...

I have to say though - great looking site. V. professional - d'you think if I let them drill a hole in me head they'll loan me their IT guy? ;-)
Perhaps.

The eye looks quite pretty, i do admit. You obviously know that the first step in choosing a cult for yourself is finding one with an aesthetically appealing logo.

Unfortunately, the eventual result of a drilled hole in your head would not be half as attractive.

[dogbite666]

"Hi John,

No, it does not. But is important that I know when you are coming so I can make the reservations in certain hotels that are within very specific energy vortices. This is a very important part of the initiations.

Wiley"

And, here's my reply:

"Hi Wiley,

I'll be coming very soon, how do I pay you, by cheque? who do I make the cheque out to? have you got an address I could send it to?

thanks,

John."

I don't know how much longer I can keep him hooked, what else shall I ask him?

[CENOBITE]

yah, I would of posted a link... but can't cause I'm a noob and don't have enough posts. My friend has a documentary about them and how one drilled a hole in his head with an electric drill. The brain cant feel pain, and once the bit with through the skull... he didn't pull out in time and the drill went right into his brain. He's still alive, but seems to have given himself a lombotomy. :/

[Ripley Twenty-Nine]

Christ!!! that is freakin scary!
Just when you think you've seen the absolute height of woo, someone goes and drills a hole in their head.

[dogbite666]

"Hi John,

A money order by registered mail would be best.

Please make it out to:
Wiley C. Brooks
Send to:
Mr Wiley C. Brooks
Studio 6
18405 N. 27th Ave, Suite 155
Phoenix, AZ 85053

Wiley"

[Lothian]

You could convert this into a Nigerian scam. Say that you don’t trust cheques and ask for his bank details so you can transfer the funds in.

Then there could be a hitch where to release the money you need an advance payment from them.

[steenkh]

But be aware that thse people are criminal, and just like with the Nigerian scammers, things could get ugly if your real name can ever be found out!

[dogbite666]

But be aware that thse people are criminal, and just like with the Nigerian scammers, things could get ugly if your real name can ever be found out!

Well, maybe I'll just send him a cake, or some food vouchers!

[Hellbound]

Mail him an empty box with a note...

"Sorry I can't attend your conference, but I wanted to show my appreciation for answering my questions. I've included dinner in the box!"

[Z]

Mail him an empty box with a note...

"Sorry I can't attend your conference, but I wanted to show my appreciation for answering my questions. I've included dinner in the box!"

Now THAT'S funny!

[TimmyBerry]

Not exactly. If their temperature is above the ambient temperature there is some physiologic process going on. I thought though that they claim that air provides sustenence so there would be a physiologic process. You can't attain absolute zero.

The problem, as usual, is thet the claim is non-falsifiable. If one of these idiots dies he simply was not doing it correctly. But isn't this particular group a lot like the Shakers who eshewed sex? Predictably the sect died out. Why are there any of these guys?

Weren't Shakers just another name for Quakers? If so, then no.. Quakers are still about.

[I'll_buy_that]

No, shakers are different. They believed that elightenment came with hard work, minimalism (shaker style) and no sex.

they did dances in their religious ceremonies that looked like shaking, hence the name.

the no sex thing though puts a limit on the life of the religion, Although, i did read a while back that there are still shakers around, but they would have to be converts, not offspring

[luchog]

No, shakers are different. They believed that elightenment came with hard work, minimalism (shaker style) and no sex.

they did dances in their religious ceremonies that looked like shaking, hence the name.

the no sex thing though puts a limit on the life of the religion, Although, i did read a while back that there are still shakers around, but they would have to be converts, not offspring
They've been aptly referred to as "American Zen". Their true name is the "United Society of Believers in Christ’s Second Appearing"; and current estimates are that there are less than 5 actual Shakers still living.

The Quakers, or "Religious Society of Friends" is a large group, with several demonimations; and an estimated 300,000 members worldwide.

[Chris Haynes]

...the no sex thing though puts a limit on the life of the religion, Although, i did read a while back that there are still shakers around, but they would have to be converts, not offspring

In the late 19th and early 20th century they would take in children who were abandoned or orphaned. They essentially ran a type of orphanage, so they had a ready supply of converts.

Also, a local conservative radio guy, Michael Medved, has a story about being on the same talk show with an avowed breatharian in the early 1980's. Then after the taping he saw this "breatharian" eating a hamburger.

[aggle-rithm]

you think the breath-a-whatevers are strange... you should check out the people who drill holes into their own heads thinking it will make them smarter! 8o

I would imagine that this would raise the average smartness of people on Earth by some small degree.

[Andrea]

I've never heard of anything so crazy before, certainly a new one to me. How do they live as long as they do, if they claim not to eat anything. Do you think that spending so much time outside in the sun, helps them to live a little longer by living like this i.e. the extra Vitamin D they would absorb form the sun.

[roger]

Andrea, they are just lying, that's all.

[Psi Baba]

yah, I would of posted a link... but can't cause I'm a noob and don't have enough posts. My friend has a documentary about them and how one drilled a hole in his head with an electric drill. The brain cant feel pain, and once the bit with through the skull... he didn't pull out in time and the drill went right into his brain. He's still alive, but seems to have given himself a lombotomy. :/
You know, it's one thing to attempt your own body piercings; you might get an infection or something. That can be cured. Or if you try to repair your own car or kitchen sink without knowing what you're doing, you might break something that will cost you a little extra money to have it done right, but when you start messing around with your own brain, sheeez. It just occured to me there is a kind of quirky logic about trepanation: there is obviously something wrong with one's brain to want to try this in the first place.

[ChristineR]

You can live a surprisingly long time on just water, and if you allow juice and the occasional cookie (as these particular oddballs do), you can go on a very long time. Your body temperature drops and you have no energy, but I suspect many smaller people could live indefinitely on 600 kCal a day. Of course you'd develop all sorts of health problems and would eventually die.

[sophia8]

Yes, Andrea, they do eat. There's a whole bunch of articles about them on www.rickross.com - there you'll find a couple of quotes from Jasmuheen herself admitting that she "nibbles" now and then.
Also, she's spent the last decade or more living with her non-Breatharian husband and, consequently, a kitchen full of food. I don't think she's ever answered the question of why she's never managed to convince her husband of the benefits of not eating.
And if you read through the posts on her forum, you'll see that nobody there is actually claiming not to eat at all; none of them are at the right spiritual stage, you see, so they are forced to eat now and then.

[dogbite666]

Here's a reply I got back from the woman herself on the Jasmuheen forum. I have continually challenged her to apply for the JREF challenge;

"Hello again guys.....

Re the Proof that you constantly refer to - all of this has been proven to those who matter. It's like there is an incredible party on a boat that you can only have access to with a pure and loving heart.

Have you ever considered that there are things happening that you are not aware of and that people have no interest in sharing of such things to those who are not sincerely open?

Why do you think that people would be interested in your challenge or James Randi? To even contemplate dealing with people to earn a sum of money via a challenge like this is not in our reality. Not because we are unable, but because it serves no purpose.

Why do you think that everyone is money driven? Is money that important to you?

The Universal Field always brings abundance to those whose hearts are pure and who live their life making a positive difference to our world.

I do suggest you come back in 10 or 20 years when time has done what it needs to regarding holisitc education in our world.

What else is there to say?

with love and amusement - Jasmuheen"


You can read the rest of the thread here http://www.jasmuheen.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=381

[sophia8]

Why do you think that everyone is money driven?


Seeing "spiritual" people like you making huge great steaming mounds of it from selling books, selling videos, selling courses, etc. while telling people how unimportant money is...?

[Psi Baba]

Here's a reply I got back from the woman herself on the Jasmuheen forum. I have continually challenged her to apply for the JREF challenge;

"Hello again guys.....

Re the Proof that you constantly refer to - all of this has been proven to those who matter.
Ah, I see, so those who want proof are those who don't matter--the only people who matter are those willing to accept our bs without proof. How convenient.

Have you ever considered that there are things happening that you are not aware of and that people have no interest in sharing of such things to those who are not sincerely open?
Translation: If you already believe we'll discuss it with you, skeptics need not bother.