Creationists Handing Out Packets Near Public HS

[Whyatica]

This is the first I've ever seen this at my high school, but at my middle school a bunch of Jehovah's Witnesses were handing out bibles to the people leaving school.

Anyway..where was I. Oh yes. I was walking to school round 7:20 this morning, and a friend of mine and I were handed packets by a young woman. We asked what these were, although I could tell by the cover sheet what it was. The woman said something akin to,
"This is what your biology teacher won't tell you in class."

I told her that it's illegal to be handing these out, as she was on school grounds. She blew me off, and continued handing packets to people who were walking by. As a gesture of friendliness, my friend violently tossed his packet in the trash. I saved mine, and posted it on my website.

As a finishing touch, the school cop confiscated all the creation packets and forced the creationist to leave the campus, as technically where she was standing was school grounds.

Lisa S. scanned the images for me, and now they're here for your viewing pleasure.
[HUGE amount of images, 56k beware]
http://www.skepticsrock.com/creationpacket/

All the links are clickable for the full-sized image if you can't really read it.

[Kiless]

Why rocks! :D

[TragicMonkey]

I didn't realize anyone claimed Mount Rushmore had been carved by erosion.

I guess that means creationists think that God carved it?

[Dr Adequate]

Why rocks! :D
'Cos God said "Let there be rocks", and there were rocks.

Then the devil made intermediate forms.

... oh, sorry, I see. Carry on.

[Dr Adequate]

I didn't realize anyone claimed Mount Rushmore had been carved by erosion. No, but a prominent ev-bi popularizer, possibly Dawkins, I forget, specifically uses it as an example of something which was designed. It's the work of a minute to stick the word "not" in there, and whoopee, you've got a straw man.

[rustypouch]

And they imply that killing your relatives is a bad thing...

Those wacky creationists!

[brodski]

'Cos God said "Let there be rocks", and there were rocks.

Then the devil made intermediate forms.

... oh, sorry, I see. Carry on.

See I knew all piles of rocks where "created".
they are irreductibly complex you see, take one away form the bottom and the whole structure collapses- so Goddunnit!

[c4ts]

I didn't realize anyone claimed Mount Rushmore had been carved by erosion.

I guess that means creationists think that God carved it?

It means it was Chuck Norris.

[Riddick]

This is the first I've ever seen this at my high school, but at my middle school a bunch of Jehovah's Witnesses were handing out bibles to the people leaving school.

Anyway..where was I. Oh yes. I was walking to school round 7:20 this morning, and a friend of mine and I were handed packets by a young woman. We asked what these were, although I could tell by the cover sheet what it was. The woman said something akin to,
"This is what your biology teacher won't tell you in class."
if you knew the answer, why bother asking the question?

I told her that it's illegal to be handing these out, as she was on school grounds.
can you show the statute?

She blew me off,
you discredit her for that?

and continued handing packets to people who were walking by. As a gesture of friendliness, my friend violently tossed his packet in the trash. I saved mine, and posted it on my website.[/quote
oh my. deary dear. ive never seen such bad behavior!!! that is simply shocking.

somebody needs to crank up a sister site to FStDT named non-FStDT who think they're really leet and are actually oompah loompah's.

[QUOTE=Whyatica;1394617]As a finishing touch, the school cop confiscated all the creation packets and forced the creationist to leave the campus, as technically where she was standing was school grounds.
you must have been casting about in anxiousness, looking for your friend who would join you at brokeback mountain that night.

Lisa S. scanned the images for me, and now they're here for your viewing pleasure.
[HUGE amount of images, 56k beware]
http://www.skepticsrock.com/creationpacket/

All the links are clickable for the full-sized image if you can't really read it.
how about ur brain, that should low res should load pretty quick and simple.

[Riddick]

See I knew all piles of rocks where "created".
they are irreductibly complex you see, take one away form the bottom and the whole structure collapses- so Goddunnit!do you believe that you have a simple and effective sense of humor? or would you describe your sense of humor as complex and savvy?

[brodski]

do you believe that you have a simple and effective sense of humor? or would you describe your sense of humor as complex and savvy?

usually unnecessarily convoluted and ineffective, why do you ask?

[slickcat]

My Lord, I visited fishdontwalk.com and I have been converted. Puh-raise Jaysus!!!! I am saved!!!!!!:rolleyes:

Seriously though, good stuff Whyatica. I'm glad creationists are out there exposing there own idiocy, kind of makes our work easy.

[Freakshow]

Thanks for posting that, Whyatica. It would be really funny, if it wasn't so scary that some people actually believe it. I'm glad you had them kicked off the school grounds. Now, I have to admit, if they were standing on a public sidewalk across the street from the school, they would be fully within their rights to hand it out. But not on school grounds. Regardless of Riddick's doubts, nearly everywhere (or maybe just "everywhere") in the US it is illegal to be on school grounds if you do not have official business being there.

[Dr Adequate]

My Lord, I visited fishdontwalk.com and I have been converted. Wow, a creationist site with an ignorant error in biology in the actual name of the website.

http://www.inchinapinch.com/hab_pgs/marine/mangrove/images/mudskip.jpg

[brodski]

Wow, a creationist site with an ignorant error in biology in the actual name of the website.

http://www.inchinapinch.com/hab_pgs/marine/mangrove/images/mudskip.jpg

well, I also doubt that the answer is in Genesis?

Personally i think they have some kind of "who can get it the most wrong" contest. They really are pushing the boundaries of human ignorance.

[c4ts]

well, I also doubt that the answer is in Genesis?

Personally i think they have some kind of "who can get it the most wrong" contest. They really are pushing the boundaries of human ignorance.

I'm beginning to think these misconceptions are deliberate, intended to make scientists angry and behave in an un-Christianlike manner...

[geetarmoore]

Thanks. I'll check out the pages in greater detail when I get on a high-speed network again.

I am currently listening to an 18 hour lecture series about science up through the 20th century and it's evolution from the 19th century. It is an amazing look at how science has made progressive steps forward, constantly building on and refining the ideas of past research. I was amazed at just what a handle 'we' have gotten on our world and place in the universe in what amounts to just 150 years.

Juxtaposing that scientific information against the type of thing often seen in pamphlets like Whyatica posted, it's almost too ridiculous to comment on - except that an alarming number of people still believe that science is wrong on a vast number of issues.

I can't believe the number of people I talk to who don't understand the concept of evolution through random genetic mutations and natural selection over BILLIONS of years, instead choosing to believe that the evolution mechanism is explained by "One day something doesn't have an arm, the next day it does." or "One day a human was born from a monkey"..

As stupid as this kind of literature is to you and me, it hits the target of its intended audience like a torpedo - They actually are primed by ignorance and willing to fall for it. Good job, Whyatica. Fight these bastages at every turn! :)

[Dragon]

.. snip ..

can you show the statute?

.. snip ..


California Penal Code 627.2. No outsider shall enter or remain on school grounds during
school hours without having registered with the principal or
designee, except to proceed expeditiously to the office of the
principal or designee for the purpose of registering. ...

from here (http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/waisgate?WAISdocID=8372015481+9+0+0&WAISaction=retrieve)

[brodski]

I'm beginning to think these misconceptions are deliberate, intended to make scientists angry and behave in an un-Christianlike manner...

so what you're stying is, Funides are acting as agent provocateurs for Satan? Tempting and tricking scientists and other rational people into sinning?

it's all so clear now :)

[Lisa Simpson]

California Penal Code 627.2.

Right. And before someone gets the idea that because Why wasn't in class yet that school wasn't technically "in session," there is a period 0 for certain students.

[Melendwyr]

Bacteria forming human beings over millions (or billions) of years through chance alone IS extremely unlikely.

Unfortunately for the creationist argument, the development of modern lifeforms didn't happen by chance alone. Nor did humans develop from bacteria - there was a split a very long time ago.

For decades, our schools have not only failed to teach the ability to think, but they have actively discouraged it. Those who sow embers reap wildfire, as the saying goes, and I think the harvest-time of consequences is nearly upon us.

[Darat]

I'm beginning to think these misconceptions are deliberate, intended to make scientists angry and behave in an un-Christianlike manner...

What like make them tell the truth...? ;)

[Self]

Great Pamplet! It should be handed out in front of Churches not schools as it will make many creationists realize just how silly their arguments really are.

[Iacchus]

Evolution is merely a mechanism which, cannot stand up of its own accord.

[TragicMonkey]

Evolution is merely mechanism which, cannot stand up of its own accord.

I'm having a little difficulty with this statement. Is it devoid of meaning, or just poorly constructed?

[Iacchus]

I'm having a little difficulty with this statement. Is it devoid of meaning, or just poorly constructed?Yes, I would agree that science may have discovered the mechanism for change. So what?

[Loon]

I'm having a little difficulty with this statement. Is it devoid of meaning, or just poorly constructed?

Both!

[cyborg]

I'm having a little difficulty with this statement. Is it devoid of meaning, or just poorly constructed?

Iacchus is merely a mechanism which,

produces poorly constructed - "sentences" accord.

[Cosmo]

Evolution is merely a mechanism which, cannot stand up of its own accord.

Stop trolling, laffus.

[Tony]

Wow. They expect high school kids to read through all that crap?

[TragicMonkey]

Wow. They expect high school kids to read through all that crap?

Wait, that was aimed at high school students? I had assumed they were aiming for elementary school students, based on the lack of sophistication and the reading level....

Wow. Patronizing on multiple levels, now.

[Bone_Vulture]

Both!

It's Iacchus! :rolleyes:

[Darat]

Wait, that was aimed at high school students? I had assumed they were aiming for elementary school students, based on the lack of sophistication and the reading level....

Wow. Patronizing on multiple levels, now.


And the artwork is terrible as well!

[moopet]

All the links are clickable for the full-sized image if you can't really read it.

Page 11-12 is broken, missing the H from HTTP.

My personal favourites have to be defining a light-year as distance, and so irrelevant to the age of the universe, despite the definition directly involving the amount of time that would have to pass for light to reach us from such a distance... and informing us that the dinosaurs dies out by being buried, which is why we find their fossils in the ground.

Yes, I did force myself to read right to the end!

[Complexity]

My personal favourites have to be defining a light-year as distance, and so irrelevant to the age of the universe, despite the definition directly involving the amount of time that would have to pass for light to reach us from such a distance...

Errr... light-year is a distance - approximately 5.88 trillion miles.

[Wheezebucket]

That happened to me once in highschool as well. There were men standing on the sidewalk handing out little orange bibles. When I asked one elderly guy if what they were doing was legal, he said it was because he was on the sidewalk. I took the bible, walked a few feet in front of him, and dropped it on the ground.

Silly christians, school is for reality.

[Loon]

Errr... light-year is a distance - approximately 5.88 trillion miles.

Yeah, but the argument they make is that having quasars millions of light years away means nothing because that's not the same as being millions of years away. So they are overlooking the fact that the light had to start out millions of years ago to reach this point millions of light years away.

[brodski]

Errr... light-year is a distance - approximately 5.88 trillion miles.

yes, but they the go onto say that as it is a measure of distance, it is irrelevant in determining the age of the universe. If we know how far light has traveled, and we know it's speed, we know how long it has been traveling for, and can so give a minim age of the universe.

They argue, ah, you are using a measurement of distance in an equation abbot time, and therefore god exists, or something. :rolleyes:

[TragicMonkey]

yes, but they the go onto say that as it is a measure of distance, it is irrelevant in determining the age of the universe. If we know how far light has traveled, and we know it's speed, we know how long it has been traveling for, and can so give a minim age of the universe.

They argue, ah, you are using a measurement of distance in an equation abbot time, and therefore god exists, or something. :rolleyes:

Makes me wonder if they really do reject science, or if they just haven't understood any science since kindergarten.

[brodski]

Makes me wonder if they really do reject science, or if they just haven't understood any science since kindergarten.

I think that one can lead to the other.

[Wheezebucket]

I just read the whole thing. Incredible stuff. Just...wow...

[Kiless]

'Cos God said "Let there be rocks", and there were rocks.

Then the devil made intermediate forms.

... oh, sorry, I see. Carry on.

Oooo, I am so going to spank you if we ever meet! :mad: Don't you diss the Why! The Why is on a roll! The Why is in control! And you doubt the word of Why, your arse is served on roll! :p

[Dr Adequate]

Oooo, I am so going to spank you if we ever meet! I thought we had agreed to keep our little arrangement private.

[Kiless]

I thought we had agreed to keep our little arrangement private.
No, that was what the Collective Skepchick Contingent (CSC) planned to do if they get their little velvet paws on you. This is personal. And will probably involve a volume of Opticks, if I get a suitably robust copy. I'll have to PM Librarylady, that reminds me....

[Dr Adequate]

No, that was what the Collective Skepchick Contingent (CSC) planned to do if they get their little velvet paws on you. I think that must be the sexiest sentence I have ever read.

Skepchicks? "Little velvet paws"?

MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMmmmmmmmmmmmm..............

[Beerina]

Lisa S. scanned the images for me, and now they're here for your viewing pleasure.
[HUGE amount of images, 56k beware]
http://www.skepticsrock.com/creationpacket/

All the links are clickable for the full-sized image if you can't really read it.

What really impresses me are the knowing lies spread here by supposedly "good" Christians.

"Every field of science supports Creation and falsifies Evolution."

This after the technically true but misleading statement:

"The idea that bacteria can only make bacteria is supported by genetics, biochemistry, living animals, and fossils." (points for having a comma before the last item, too)

Yes, but bacteria make other bacteria, some of which differ minutely. Change them minutely trillions of times, and you could indeed end up with a human. Creationist apologists know this as it is the key component to evolution. Hence they must knowingly be using that statement in the misleading manner. Good "Christians" here.


Then they argue that, since matter and energy cannot be created nor destroyed (first law of thermodynamics) that therefore something created the universe. This is also misleading for two reasons:

1. This is within the context of the universe's physics. Hence this "law" was created along with the universe, and scientists have theories as to how that happens.

2. They leap to "therefore supernatural origin", bypassing any other theories, and completely ignoring that, if the first law is so damned powerful in applying, then it must apply to God, too. Hence it existed before the big bang, and hence did exist, and operate, prior to the creation of the universe.

[hgc]

...

2. They leap to "therefore supernatural origin", bypassing any other theories, and completely ignoring that, if the first law is so damned powerful in applying, then it must apply to God, too. Hence it existed before the big bang, and hence did exist, and operate, prior to the creation of the universe.Therein lies the Catch 22. God has a way around it, you don't. Puny human.

[TragicMonkey]

Therein lies the Catch 22. God has a way around it, you don't. Puny human.

Even better: not just paradox, but any difficult concept is immediately relieved by the belief in God. Can't master quadratic equations? You don't need to. They are probably an illusion of the devil to snare you into thinking in a wordly materialistic manner. In fact, better burn the mathematicians, to be on the safe side.