The Bush-Nazi Connection

[DialecticMaterialist]

I saw these links that supposedly show Bush has a connection to the Nazi party, interesting but so far I'm very skeptical of them, anyone know more about this?

http://www.disinfo.com/pages/dossier/id195/pg1/

http://www.baltech.org/lederman/gw-cia-nazi-5-3-01.html

http://www.baltech.org/lederman/bus...ne-2-09-02.html

[Skeptical Greg]

Originally posted by DialecticMaterialist
I saw these links that supposedly show Bush has a connection to the Nazi party, interesting but so far I'm very skeptical of them, anyone know more about this?

http://www.disinfo.com/pages/dossier/id195/pg1/

http://www.baltech.org/lederman/gw-cia-nazi-5-3-01.html

http://www.baltech.org/lederman/bus...ne-2-09-02.html

Why do I suspect, that clicking on those links will not bring us any closer to the truth, and that whatever they have to say is about as good as it gets?

[RandFan]

shhhh..........

They are watching, don't believe me? Scroll to the top and look up to the right of your monitor.

for more information go here, Conspiracy Theory Links (http://theinsider.org/links/)

[Tony]

I espicially like this web page. http://www.disinfo.com/

[Tricky]

A thread that starts with Godwin's Law (http://info.astrian.net/jargon/terms/g/Godwin_s_Law.html)?

[RandFan]

Originally posted by Tricky
A thread that starts with Godwin's Law (http://info.astrian.net/jargon/terms/g/Godwin_s_Law.html)?

As the number of threads increase, the probability that a thread starts with a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches one. :D

[ssibal]

Originally posted by DialecticMaterialist
I saw these links that supposedly show Bush has a connection to the Nazi party....

The Nazi party still exists?

[shemp]

Even a Bush-hater like me is too skeptical of these writings to fall for them. I'd take it with a pound of salt.

[Lord Emsworth]

I haven't read the articles behind the given links.
But Bush is far too much Christian to be seriously connected to Hitler's Nationalsocialism.


Originally posted by ssibal
The Nazi party still exists?
Hitler was (more or less) the Nazi party(NSDAP). It was never able to exist without him.

Surely you might say that, for exaple in the U.S., there is something like the NSDAP AO, but these kids just don't know what they are talking about.

The AO stands for AuslandsOrganisation, meaning something like: organisation for foreign countries

[subgenius]

Originally posted by DialecticMaterialist
I saw these links that supposedly show Bush has a connection to the Nazi party, interesting but so far I'm very skeptical of them, anyone know more about this?

http://www.disinfo.com/pages/dossier/id195/pg1/

http://www.baltech.org/lederman/gw-cia-nazi-5-3-01.html

http://www.baltech.org/lederman/bus...ne-2-09-02.html

There are unrefuted links between the earlier Bushs and Nazi Germany.
A bank they were tied to was closed under the Trading with the Enemy Act in WWII.
It was all monetary. It doesn't mean they were or are Nazis. Henry Ford, etc. It seemed like a good investment at the time.
Although the swastikas in the Skull and Bones clubhouse are also interesting, as are the actual skulls, which are stolen as part of the initiation.
But we aren't really interested in any of that are we?
Geez, where is Geronimo's skull, and whose child is that child's skull? All those stolen license plates? Just college pranks that you or I would get prosecuted for.
If you do really outrageous things no one believes it.

[subgenius]

This article's author, John Loftus, is a former U.S.Department of Justice Nazi War Crimes prosecutor, the President of the Florida Holocaust Museum and the highly respected author of numerous books on the CIA-Nazi connection including The Belarus Secret and The SecSecret War Against the Jews, both of which have extensive material on the Bush-Rockefeller-Nazi connection.
http://www.baltech.org/lederman/bush-nazi-fortune-2-09-02.html


and just in case you think (and you do) that this is a politcal vendetta against the Republicans:

Loftus also reminded his audience that John F. Kennedy's father, an avowed isolationist and former ambassador to Great Britain, profited during the 1930s and '40s from Nazi stocks that he owned.

"No one today blames the Democrats because Jack Kennedy's father bought Nazi stocks," Loftus said. Still, he said, it is important to understand these historical connections for what they tell us about politics today. The World War II experience points out how easy it was then — and remains today — to hide money in multinational funds.
http://www.serendipity.li/jsmill/bushnz1.htm

"George Bush's problems were inherited from his namesake and maternal grandfather, George Herbert 'Bert' Walker, a native of St. Louis, who founded the banking and investment firm of G. H. Walker and Company in 1900. Later the company shifted from St. Louis to the prestigious address of 1 Wall Street. . . .

"Walker was one of Hitler's most powerful financial supporters in the United States. The relationship went all the way back to 1924, when Fritz Thyssen, the German industrialist, was financing Hitler's infant Nazi party. As mentioned in earlier chapters, there were American contributors as well.

"Some Americans were just bigots and made their connections to Germany through Allen Dulles's firm of Sullivan and Cromwell because they supported Fascism. The Dulles brothers, who were in it for profit more than ideology, arranged American investments in Nazi Germany in the 1930s to ensure that their clients did well out of the German economic recovery. . . .
http://emperors-clothes.com/articles/randy/swas5.htm

Do I believe any of this? As my pappy said "Believe none of what you hear and only half of what you see."

But just file it away for future reference/confirmation.

[peptoabysmal]

LOL nevermind the Nazis, I'm more entertained by the supposed "moonie" connection :confused:

[svero]

Well I donno about the Nazis or Moonies, but he has some really really scary connections to the PNAC and the GOP and the Christians which all have me pretty worried.

[DialecticMaterialist]

Well I've seen a lot of good points here but still remain very skeptical. One reason being that there really isn't much else out there that agrees with these authors, another being these sites are obviously very anti-Bush, and lastly, perhaps most importantly because these sites contain so little reference.

Now Robert Lederman for example does say things like,

The Belarus Secret and The SecSecret War Against the Jews, both of which have extensive material on the Bush-Rockefeller-Nazi connection.


But first off that's mere proof surrogate, saying "well the proof is located in this organization or this library" is not the same as a reference. Secondly, who are these organizations? I've never even heard of them until now and Lederman does not even give a link here.

Also why these groups and not something far more solid or well known? Why didn't the Democrats for example cash in on something this devastating? These facts are at the very least, rather puzzling.

Also read between the lines, the reference is about a Bush-Rockefeller-Nazi connection...not a Bush-Nazi connection(leaving the author much weasel room). Could that mean Bush was simply connected to another group that traded with the Nazis?

Now I'm not saying that means Lederman is automatically wrong, but Lederman is making a rather extraordinary claim to an audience he knows is probably going to be skeptical. You would think a man in his position would be more thorough. Scientists explaining evolutionary principles to scientists, or skeptics explaining why ESP is bunk to fellow skeptics tend to give at least some reference, not just vague mentions of some alleged sources.

In other words, for the seriousness of his claims, Lederman does not seem to be nearly as serious in his method.

[JAR]

Originally posted by shemp
Even a Bush-hater like me is too skeptical of these writings to fall for them. I'd take it with a pound of salt.
:D :D :D