Psychic Spys

[SimonJ1966]

I have put this post up on another forum too. I hope this topic has not been done to death here already. Unfortunatly I get an error when i try doing a search, so i dont have an easy way to tell if it has or not.

G'day all,

Yesterday the 15/2/06, on Australian Tv, on one of those morning "News cum Current Affairs" style shows,
they hosted a guy called Lyn Buchanan, and titled the interview "Psychic Spy Work".

The Tv shows web site only gave show notes as follows:

Guest: Lyn Buchanan
Time: 0750
Subject: Psychic spy work
Viewer contact: "links removed" search the web for "Controlled Remote Viewing" :eek:

I'd not heard of these guys before, but basically he was sprooking
his art of being able to Spy via psychic powers. Spying for the good of the Nation, the Militarily and that sort of thing.

All the spin seemed to to be aimed at training people in this art (for i fee i am guessing?).

I must confess i did not catch the whole interview, and i was rushing around getting ready for work, so please take my account of it as loose at best.

The bits i caught suggested he had been employed by the US Defence force to spy for the "defence of realm" using his mind reading skills, in the company of others just like him.

At this point the TV shows host said "It sounds like a crock". Crock is shorthand Aussie slang for "A Crock of Sh#t",
meaning pure and simple B.S. Lyn had not heard the term, so the host had to exlain what he meant in more polite terms.

The host, unfortunatly, was not well armed with any sophisticated means of drilling for real empirical evidence (no suprise
really!), but he did ask him "how he could know it really worked".
Lyn responded with all type of anecdotal claims, not proofs, of his powers. This included the fanatastic claim that he and his cohorts "foiled an attempt by Saddam Hussain to launch a missile attach on Mecca" via reading the minds of those who knew about this cunning plot of evil.

This was his attempt at proof - well gee, i was left beleiving - NOT.

The Host then asked him if "everyone had these powers". Lyn said "We all do, but only some of us can tease ESP readings out of our subconscience mind and into our conscience mind". This led natuaraly into the business end of things, because he then spoke about how his organization can teach others on how to gain the skill.

You would think he'd be a natural contender for the big loot on offer at JREF. Its funny how they never seem intersested
in undegoing critical analysis and testing of their powers.


The quotations above are not verbatim, but my own rushed account, so apologies in advance for any errors.

The web sites given out from the shown notes look like a fun read!

all the best

Simon.

[CFLarsen]

This included the fanatastic claim that he and his cohorts "foiled an attempt by Saddam Hussain to launch a missile attach on Mecca" via reading the minds of those who knew about this cunning plot of evil.

This was his attempt at proof - well gee, i was left beleiving - NOT.

Right.

So, Saddam tries to alienate the entire Muslim world by rubbing out Mecca, their holiest of holy?

Yeah, that makes sense! :rolleyes:

Heck, if there was even the tiniest evidence that he had even contemplated this, the Coalition could just sit back while the Muslim world tore Saddam to pieces.

Still, the bigger lie, the better it goes down with some people....

[Luke T.]

http://lite.psitech.net/

PSI TECH, Inc. is home to the breakthrough skill of Technical Remote Viewing (TRV.) Originally developed for and utilized by The Department Of Defense for intelligence collection purposes, Technical Remote Viewing is the trained ability to acquire accurate direct knowledge of things and events — targets — distant in time or space, in the past, present, or future, while conscious awareness remains totally “blind” to details about the target itself. TRV is a highly structured and standardized data collection skill. Like any other skill, practice is required to become proficient.
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But just ask CFLarsen how effective Psi-Tech is with their remote viewing skills. Go ahead. :D

[Luke T.]

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http://lite.psitech.net/training.htm

[Luke T.]

TRV University TRV 101: Basic & Intermediate Technical Remote Viewing Skills
Prerequisites: None
Duration: 6 Weeks
Instructor: Joni Dourif
Tuition: $1295.00*

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We love Joni around here.

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Prerequisites: TRV 101
Duration: 6 Weeks
Instructor: Joni Dourif
Tuition: $1295.00

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Course Length: 1 Week
Course Instructor: Joni Dourif
Course Tuition: $295.00
Prerequisites: TRV 201

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Course Length: 1 Week
Course Instructor: Joni Dourif
Course Tuition: $295.00
Prerequisites: TRV 201

Finding your optimum mate? By remote viewing? Is this a new form of stalking?

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Course Length: 1 Week
Course Instructor: Joni Dourif
Course Tuition: $295.00
Prerequisites: TRV 201

Winning at gambling?

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Ding ding ding! We have a winner! (http://www.skepticreport.com/psychics/psitechsmart.htm)

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Course Tuition: $295.00
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http://www.trvuniversity.com/technical-remote-viewing-training-courses.html

[drfrank]

We love Joni around here.

...enormous price list...

Holy Butt Monkeys, Batman :jaw-dropp

I love the way every course requires TRV 201, which in turn requires TRV 101, meaning that you're going to have to cough up about $2900 to have a minimal chance at winning at poker or getting laid lol

OK, $2900 is still only about twenty to thirty pounds stirling at the moment, but it still seems too much ;)

[Luke T.]

A day in the life of a remote viewing student:

DAY 7 - LUNCH BREAK

“What did you get,” I ask Alana.

“Hmm?”

“Your target. What is it?”

“Same as yours.”

“Yeah, I know. But...” I realize she doesn’t want to say, or isn’t feeling well. “I think it’s Area 51. Or something like that. It feels really... weird. Like aliens. Maybe a plane crash. I got a surgery, trying to heal. A bunch of people around. A boy crying to his mother. Secrets, etc. You?”

“I could see that. I got an alien autopsy. Something like that. Definitely a surgery. Cold emotions. Healing. Family present, could be the mother. Others nearby, observing.”

A pause filled in between us. “Let’s go eat,” I said.

http://www.trvnews.com/tmn/020706/intothevoid.html

[CFLarsen]

A day in the life of a remote viewing student:



http://www.trvnews.com/tmn/020706/intothevoid.html
Riveting.

[Luke T.]

Riveting.

To someone who believes in this stuff, it is. Sucks them right in.

Oooooh! I could learn all kinds of nifty gummint secrets!

[Steven Howard]

A day in the life of a remote viewing student:



http://www.trvnews.com/tmn/020706/intothevoid.html

I like the way he's "Mister V" and has his eyes obscured in the picture, but then his full name shows up in the surprise twist ending.

[CFLarsen]

To someone who believes in this stuff, it is. Sucks them right in.

Oooooh! I could learn all kinds of nifty gummint secrets!
Yeah. Like: "Is Dubya Really A Dummy?".....

[ShowMe]

http://lite.psitech.net/
But just ask CFLarsen how effective Psi-Tech is with their remote viewing skills. Go ahead. :D


Aren't they the folks who said Smart was dead, in a field, & buried in concrete when she was actually alive, miles away and certainly not buried?

Then they explained it by saying "she must have walked through this field at some time" or some other such nonsense?

[Luke T.]

Aren't they the folks who said Smart was dead, in a field, & buried in concrete when she was actually alive, miles away and certainly not buried?

Then they explained it by saying "she must have walked through this field at some time" or some other such nonsense?

Yes. I linked the Skeptic Report story where I said "ding ding ding. We have a winner" under their course for finding missing persons.

[casebro]

I believe it's true that the CIA did spend $2 million looking into remote viewing. Back in the 50's? It was the Psi race with the Soviets. They found no substance to it, but every couple of years some charlatan derdges up the story of how the US government proved it's usfulness. Total BS.

[CFLarsen]

I believe it's true that the CIA did spend $2 million looking into remote viewing. Back in the 50's? It was the Psi race with the Soviets. They found no substance to it, but every couple of years some charlatan derdges up the story of how the US government proved it's usfulness. Total BS.
It was $20 million.

Look at how they present it.

They will say something like "The CIA spent $20 million on PSI research".....and leave it at that.

Indicating that, if the United States Government spent....gasp!.....TWENTY MILLION DOLLARS.....on something....well, there must be something to this "psi" thingie.......right? Right???

That's how they work: Innuendo. They rarely state clearly what they claim, and they never back it up with real evidence. They are not interested in clarification, but only deception.

You try to get a straight answer from some of our resident woos here: T'ai Chi, Dr. MAS, Roger Coghill, etc. You won't get it.

[Luke T.]

I believe it's true that the CIA did spend $2 million looking into remote viewing. Back in the 50's? It was the Psi race with the Soviets. They found no substance to it, but every couple of years some charlatan derdges up the story of how the US government proved it's usfulness. Total BS.

Jonina Dourif's (the trainer of the courses I listed above, and President of Psi-Tech) former Psi-Tech business partner, Edward Dames, claims to have been trained by the DoD.


The world's foremost remote viewing teacher, and creator of Technical Remote Viewing, Major Edward A. Dames, United States Army (ret.), is a decorated military intelligence officer and an original member of the U.S. Army prototype remote viewing training program. He served as both training and operations officer for the U.S. government's TOP SECRET psychic espionage unit.

http://www.learnrv.com/eddames.cfm


Dourif is bitter about Dames these days. Apparently, Psi-Tech lost a lawsuit and had to pay up $450,000. Dames ditched the company and left Dourif holding the bag, and started his own remote viewing academy.

She also sued a Mr. F.M. Bonsall for breaking into her home and office and stealing some files, apparently on behalf of Dames (http://www.remoteviewing.com/about-psitech/news-releases/bonsall/jonidourif-versus-fmbonsall.html).

Dames is the executive director of the Matrix Intelligence Agency (http://www.matrixintelligenceagency.com/). Have fun navigating around that site. Seriously. :)

Dames was also a technical consultant for, and had a bit part in, Suspect Zero (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0324127/combined).

[Luke T.]

From Art Bell's webpage:

"Ed Dames sends us: The command and control center for the September 11th attack on the U.S. is located in an underground bunker complex, beneath -- and accessible through -- Ahmad Shah Durrani's Tomb, in Kandahar, Afganistan. This information was passed, via Matrix Intelligence Agency (www.matrixintelligenceagency.com) channels, to the United States Special Operations Command, McDill AFB, Flordia."

Link (http://www.hawaii.edu/intlrel/pols315/EdDames.htm).

:D

Good ol' Art Bell.

[CFLarsen]

The more people like Art Bell goes increasingly woo, the better for humanity.

[Frinkiak7]

Yeah. Like: "Is Dubya Really A Dummy?".....

Is that a secret?

[CFLarsen]

Is that a secret?
OK, bad example...

[CurtC]

At this point the TV shows host said "It sounds like a crock". Crock is shorthand Aussie slang for "A Crock of Sh#t", meaning pure and simple B.S. Lyn had not heard the term, so the host had to exlain what he meant in more polite terms.The term "crock" is extremely common in the US, and means exactly the same thing. If this guy was an American, he was lying, which I guess we've already established anyway.


... on one of those morning "News cum Current Affairs" style shows...As a matter of style, the latin "cum" used in an English phrase is normally written with hyphens: "News-cum-current affairs." It looks nicer that way. Several years ago on usenet, a poster referred to his "garage cum workshop," which made me ask "what the hell are you doing in there?" I think he meant "garage-cum-workshop."

[Zep]

And this all started with a filler segment before the weather on a news-scarce day, followed by a cute animal story.

[drfrank]

A day in the life of a remote viewing student:

[...amusing tripe...]

http://www.trvnews.com/tmn/020706/intothevoid.html

You know, Luke, I'd actually assumed that you'd written that yourself as a parody lol :D Once again, it is demonstrated that it is impossible to parody woos better than they do it themselves.

[Luke T.]

And this all started with a filler segment before the weather on a news-scarce day, followed by a cute animal story.

Every television appearance gives these a-holes credibility and the right to use the network as a bona fide credential.

[Blue Monk]

meaning that you're going to have to cough up about $2900 to have a minimal chance at winning at poker or getting laid lol


Hell, give me $2900 to throw around and even I can get laid and have a nice dinner to boot.