Kumar solves the riddle of homeopathy.

[MRC_Hans]

When we told the MAS contingent that all kinds of molecular contaminations could be present in any potency, our old friend Kumar jumped on it like a fly on a turd. He has now developed a Kumar Thesis[tm] that enables him to wrap up all missing concept in the science of homeopathy, and he is posting it all over the web. Behold:


CONCLUSION

..However, my real goal and intentions were to satisfy myself and other's real to tune homeopathic science with modern science theory. Practical side about homeopathic working is beyond my doubt as supported by referances along with my practical observations & experiances.

Now, science of both energetic side--by ultramolecular/molecular's effect presence and materialistic side---by molecular presence AND their homeopathic effects, are crystal clear to me as I evalued in this topic [with the help of skeptichttp://www.otherhealth.com/images/smilies/biggrin.gif.]

Energetic side-- by presence & change in size of all type of molecules(atoms sizes are changed specifically by external influences), present in final remedy which are specifically effected by mixing, diluting and energy applications during potentization.

Materialistic side--by presence of molecules of different sized, in different clusters and of different type of molecules of active+carrier+contamination substances in final remedy on mixing, diluting, energy applications during potentization and on becoming airborne and mixing into any potency due to potentization during this process.

Homeopathic effects: In view of weak stumuli or low doses stimulate and promote physiological and psyclogical activities--above quantity serve as information and weak stimuli or low doses to stimulate and promote physiological and psyclogical activities on applications...which is also an indicated theory/logic behind homeopathic effects.

Mixed substances in final remedy: In view of much hard work is suggested in selecting correct remedy and most significant symptoms, presence of required weak stimuli/low dose in selected remedy shall effect prominiently, specifically & significantly-- supressing weak symptoms and ignoring irrelavent or insignificant symptoms. In this consideration, Some aggravations and proving symptoms may be possible but these can be feeling of some un-pleasentness, not adverse or toxic effects in view of non-presence of toxic quantities.
http://www.hpathy.com/homeopathyforu...738&PN=1&TPN=9 (http://www.hpathy.com/homeopathyforums/forum_posts.asp?TID=3738&PN=1&TPN=9)


I'm proud to have helped him get this far :roll:.

Hans

[Mojo]

Oh Gunderscored, he's still going on about "part excitation"! That's where I came in...

[Asolepius]

It is just me, or does anyone else find this totally unintelligible? I don't just mean the `science', but the language used to convey it.

[Mojo]

Actually, compared to some of Kumar's posts that is quite intelligible, language wise. His "science" never makes any sense, of course.

[brodski]

It is just me, or does anyone else find this totally unintelligible? I don't just mean the `science', but the language used to convey it.
I have never been able to understand anything that Kumar has said, I am highly sceptical of those that claim to understand his prose.

At least the segment that Hans quoted doesn't contain any of Kumar's undefined acronyms, which he tends to pepper his already unintelligible ramblings with.

For A long time I though that a Kumar thread was some weird JREF version of "Mornington crescent". ;)

[Mojo]

It was.

[Complexity]

It actually hurt to read that.

[brodski]

It was.

It all becomes so much clearer now, I can finally recognize Kumar as one of the finest comic talents of my lifetime! :D

[ChristineR]

Okay, good. Now he just needs a way to measure those energetic clusters without knowing in advance what's in the bottle. (Insert million dollar cliche.)

[Belz...]

It actually hurt to read that.

Really ? I think you deserve that 10 score, now.

[Deetee]

Hans, I suspect you secretely miss Kumar, and yearn for the day he returns to the forum with a fresh morsel of KumareseTM to tempt your discerning but famished palate.

[sionep]

I'm proud to have helped him get this far :roll:.

Hans

Hans, is this Kumar is the one called Kayvee at the forum (Science Thread) at :

http://www.hpathy.com

If this is the same person as Kayvee, then I think the guy is delusional. I have tried to explain to him and his fellow homeopathies over there, time and time again to stop trying to make connections between real physics / chemistry in imaginable ways linking to homeopathy because they are irrelevant. He seems not to understand the difference between fantasy and reality.

[Rolfe]

Hans, is this Kumar is the one called Kayvee at the forum (Science Thread) at :

http://www.hpathy.com

If this is the same person as Kayvee, then I think the guy is delusional. I have tried to explain to him and his fellow homeopathies over there, time and time again to stop trying to make connections between real physics / chemistry in imaginable ways linking to homeopathy because they are irrelevant. He seems not to understand the difference between fantasy and reality.Yes, same guy. His name seems to be "Kumar Vijay", and he goes by various combinations. Look for "Vijay[some number]" as well. And "Lord Shiva" too.

We've been round the houses with him so often in so many places it's been suggested he's a 'bot. He comes looking for scientific justification for his mad ideas, refuses categorically to read up any basic science (once, tellingly, admiting that this was because he didn't want to read anything that might contradict his theories), jumps on any little point he thinks can be twisted to suit him, rejects everything else as "this and that type talks", and vested interests and egotism, then gets narked when people turn on him (or start to play Mornington Crescent around him). Then goes right back to square 1 and posts his original assertion again in a new thread.

I grant he's displacement activity, but I for one can do without him.

Rolfe.

[Mojo]

Yes, same guy. His name seems to be "Kumar Vijay", and he goes by various combinations. Look for "Vijay[some number]" as well. And "Lord Shiva" too. I've even spotted a "lordshiva5753@..." address attached to some of his posts.

For some reason I've never bothered emailing him. :rolleyes:

[HeyLeroy]

I had to slap the back of my own head to uncross my eyes after reading that.

[MRC_Hans]

Here, http://www.otherhealth.com/showthread.php?p=67771#post67771, he has come around to quantum physics, a rather late arrival for somebody who has been so long and deep into pseudoscience.

Seems to irk him a lot that I am refusing to shred his silly theories. He must have a masochistic trait.

However, I'm gonna drop him one little bait :roll:. Stay tuned at the thread, above.

Hans

[Rolfe]

I was thinking it was about time for the homoeopaths to drop quantum mechanics and start on dark matter and dark energy.

Rolfe.

[MRC_Hans]

I did bait Kumar on dark matter, once, but he didn't bite. Perhaps it is the time now.

Hans

[flume]

Kumar posted that he felt 'very sad' and thought it was a black spot on modern understandings when he realized that such a basic concept as changes in size of 'atoms/molecules/substances' was not being considered.

I think he thinks that when two atoms approach each other in solution and there is an attraction that affects the atom's electron cloud, this change lasts even after the atoms are separated. So this is a way that information can be stored in the solvent by the remedy material even after it has been diluted out. I am not sure this is what he means, just a guess.

[Zep]

No, Kumar has not the foggiest idea of that which he speaks about. His explanation of physics at any level is totally and utterly bizarre. In short, he's India's version of Time Cube Guy.

[AnotherSillyAlias]

I sort of enjoyed Kumar. He was like a cross between the mad scientist, village idiot and conspiracy theorist.

I am sure he will return one day.

[rustytunes]

Forgive me, I'm new here and still feeling my way...

I keep an eye a few homeopath egroups around the web and noticed this posting today:

Dear Members,
My Name is A.SAMPATH KUMAR from India I am working in the field of
Homeopathic Medicines Manufacturing and Research & Development of new
combinations past 16 years in India.
I have recently formulated one ANTI-PYRETIC Oral Liquid and We have
tried this one under clinical trial among common flu patients (Human
beings)
We found that this Oral Liquid is working very good.
I wish to inform you that any interested Homeopath can cantact me in
this regard.
I will ready to give this combination to any bird flu infected person
in this world.
I need the assitance of interested homeopaths all over the world.
Thanks
A.SAMPATH KUMAR
INDIA

Is this the same Kumar?

Looks like we have a bird flu vaccine/cure now...

[Zep]

No, it probably isn't. "Kumar" is a very common Indian name, like "Jones", so it can be rather confusing.

As to the subject of the "announcement", subcontinental homeopaths have been touting cures for all sorts of things for many years. It is patently obvious that they have not a single clue what they are talking about. They are also some of the most thick-headed and superstitious people on the planet. And the most gullible - sell them the Brooklyn Bridge and see how you go!

[flume]

I would say no. I don't think kumar/kayvee/kayveeh is actually a homeopath. He likes to read and argue 'logically'.

Zep, I didn't say his idea made any sense. Kumar's ideas of science are related to real science the way someone's basement train layout relates to the real world. (unless that gives him too much credit.)

[Zep]

WAY too much credit. Kumar's ideas of science are related to real science the way someone's basement train layout relates to the craters on the far side of the moon. ;)

[AnotherSillyAlias]

WAY too much credit. Kumar's ideas of science are related to real science the way someone's basement train layout relates to the craters on the far side of the moon. ;)

Yeah, but this is what made him so much fun.

BTW, those "craters" on the far side of the moon are actually alien ruins, I thought everyone knew that .....

[Mojo]

[I]Dear Members,
My Name is A.SAMPATH KUMAR from India ...

Is this the same Kumar? I suspect he's from a little further East. "Asean", which he gave as his location, is the Association of South East Asian Nations (http://www.aseansec.org/74.htm).

Assuming that he can spell "Asian", of course.

[Rolfe]

In another place on one of the forums Kumar straightforwardly gives his location as India, and everything he posts seems to me to confirm hat. I think he's Indian, but likes to maintain an air of mystery.

I had a postcard from Lahore yesterday, from a friend who is there on holiday (or rather. Caramel had the postcard, I just had to read it for him!). Looks really nice, and I'm all in favour of tea production!

Rolfe.

[MRC_Hans]

Yes, when we played Mornington Crescent, and he tried to participate, he named a station in India (I forget which). I'm pretty sure he is in India, and that he is not a homeopath. His knowledge of basic homeopathic dogmas is too poor.

Kumar likes to use the metaphor that he is searching for gems in the jungle. He really thinks he can discover the "misses" in science and find the explanation for homeopathy. The problem is that he does not understand even simple physics, and that he is unable to distinguish actual knowledge from his own fantasies.

His jungle methaphor is quite appropriate, because to him, science IS a jungle. Now, any sensible person would check the maps before entering a jungle (and in this case discover that it is a very well-mapped jungle), but Kumar's idea of "exploration" is, apparantly, to just trash around and poke and pull at whatever looks interesting or colorful. An approach that would get you hurt very quickly in a real jungle.

So, he is like a stupid Gringo wallowing around in the jungle and attempting to teach the indians how to cope.

Hans

[exarch]

Looks like we have a bird flu vaccine/cure now...
Perhaps not related, but the TV news yesterday said that the university of Ghent (Belgium) along with a few other major universities in The Netherlands and the UK have been working independently on a universal flu vaccine.
I don't really understand the biochemistry behind it, but flu variants and mutations apparently all have a varying combination of N and H receptors, and the new vaccine is planning to target not those N and H appendages, but instead a different chemical component that all flu virus cells have incommon. It would be capable of rendering you immune for perhaps as long as 10 years per shot.
Unfortunately, it will take at least 5 more years of moving through various testing stages (from lab rats to increasingly larger mammals and finally humans) before this vaccine ever reaches the shelves and can be sold.

The upside would be that unlike current flu vaccines, it would be easier to produce since it can be produced using bacterial cultures instead of carefully treated chicken eggs.
Assuming I understood that part correctly.

But yeah, it looks as though we have a universal flu vaccine in the works ...

[Almo]

Wow that's interesting!

All I can think of is... what happens when a flu virus mutates to not have the targeted component? I guess that's just the nature of vaccine development though. ;)

[exarch]

Wow that's interesting!

All I can think of is... what happens when a flu virus mutates to not have the targeted component? I guess that's just the nature of vaccine development though. ;)
Actually, drug companies aren't too happy with that new vaccine, because unlike the current ones, they can only sell that super-vaccine every 10 years (I think that's how long it remains active) instead of selling the redesigned version every year. So they'll probably ask a bit more to make up for the loss in revenue.

As for flu viruses mutating, maybe improved flu-resistance means that evolution kicks in and only those mutations that somehow give the virus an edge over the super-vaccine will continue on. I just don't know how likely it is for the flu virus to actually lose the targeted component and still be viable.