Lending credence to Homeopathy?

[Kochanski]

We seem to have quite a few thread on this board on Homeopathy posted by Dr. A Sheikh, that appear to have the only purpose of promoting it and serving as commercials for it (Million Dollar Prize thread, etc). There is never any proof provided by Dr. A Sheikh to substantiate his claims and I am wondering if giving him an audience here and responding (an awful lot of responses) to the threads is giving unwarranted credence to him and Homeopathy.

Seems like any time he wants attention to Homeopathy he just starts a new thread and off we go. I know as skeptics we need to be open to discussion of these things and hear out valid proof, but how far do we go to give the soapbox to someone who does not ever give any valid proof?

Any thoughts kids?

[Nyarlathotep]

Giving people like him a soapbox probably hurts homeopathy more than it helps it. The more he talks the crazier he sounds. It's more a case of giving the man a sufficient length of rope than giving him a soapbox.

[Hellbound]

I think we have enough rope to hang the entire population of his home country by now, though.

Just how tall is this tree we're measuring him for, anyway?

:D

[Nyarlathotep]

I think we have enough rope to hang the entire population of his home country by now, though.

Just how tall is this tree we're measuring him for, anyway?

:D


Does the word "Yggdrasil" have any meaning to you?

[Hellbound]

Heh

[Kochanski]

Giving people like him a soapbox probably hurts homeopathy more than it helps it. The more he talks the crazier he sounds. It's more a case of giving the man a sufficient length of rope than giving him a soapbox.

Yes, certainly for those of us with good critical thinking skills, we do recognize the looniness in his words.

However, my concern is for those without those skills, who might be pointed here by Dr. A Sheikh and others as proof that his words carry weight.

[Nyarlathotep]

Yes, certainly for those of us with good critical thinking skills, we do recognize the looniness in his words.

However, my concern is for those without those skills, who might be pointed here by Dr. A Sheikh and others as proof that his words carry weight.


I don't know. It seems that the more he talks the loonier he sounds and thus can be more easily recognized as a fraud by more and more people. I could be worng, but that's the way I see it.

[Kochanski]

But we know that believers are not easily swayed from their beliefs. And given the length of the threads I am concerned that what will get read will be those things that support or could be thought to support his views and everything else will be ignored.

[Nyarlathotep]

But we know that believers are not easily swayed from their beliefs. And given the length of the threads I am concerned that what will get read will be those things that support or could be thought to support his views and everything else will be ignored.

But the people who can;t be swayed from their beliefs are going to believe in that kind of nonsense whether people like MAS have a soapbox or not. It's the fence sitters who can be swayed either direction that one needs to really be worried about. And I think that incoherent rants fromt he likes of MAS are morelikely to sway them in our direction than his.

[Kochanski]

But the people who can;t be swayed from their beliefs are going to believe in that kind of nonsense whether people like MAS have a soapbox or not. It's the fence sitters who can be swayed either direction that one needs to really be worried about. And I think that incoherent rants fromt he likes of MAS are morelikely to sway them in our direction than his.

True. I guess I would just like to see some sort of Stamp on threads (sort of like the Mythbusters BUSTED sign) where the original poster of nonsense has simply NOT answered the questions or proved what they have stated. Especially where they obviously evade answering any real questions and simply continue to spout their nonsense unsupported.

Give them a few chances to actually answer but then Stamp them with something (can't think of what at the moment) so that it becomes obvious to all that there is no new information in the post from the proponent of the nonsense.

Perhaps a big UNPROVEN and UNSUPPORTED ?

[Hitch]

True. I guess I would just like to see some sort of Stamp on threads (sort of like the Mythbusters BUSTED sign) where the original poster of nonsense has simply NOT answered the questions or proved what they have stated. Especially where they obviously evade answering any real questions and simply continue to spout their nonsense unsupported.

Give them a few chances to actually answer but then Stamp them with something (can't think of what at the moment) so that it becomes obvious to all that there is no new information in the post from the proponent of the nonsense.

Perhaps a big UNPROVEN and UNSUPPORTED ?
My informal and unofficial survey shows that all threads on homeopathy on this forum clearly qualify as nonsense. If anyone is likely to be swayed at all by what they read here, the postings of our resident "homeopath(s)" would convince them against trying it. Even without the input of the skeptics.

[Dr. A Sheikh]

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Scholar

Set a criteria to show of the prize. When the criteria will be set, it will be implemented. YOu know having money in the bank is no criteria.

What we have seen that many people from different counteries are entering into european counteries on the production of bank statement. And all bank statements are fictitious. In actual the cash does not exist but bank official provide slips. Might be this is happened also with JREF prize money. Money is not there but statement is available.

Am I right? Show the money of JREF prize offer.

[Jeff Corey]

Been there, done that.

[Mojo]

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Set a criteria to show of the prize. When the criteria will be set, it will be implemented. YOu know having money in the bank is no criteria.

What we have seen that many people from different counteries are entering into european counteries on the production of bank statement. And all bank statements are fictitious. In actual the cash does not exist but bank official provide slips. Might be this is happened also with JREF prize money. Money is not there but statement is available.

Am I right? Show the money of JREF prize offer.Did you bother reading any of the posts in the thread before you posted this, Sheikh? It's not about your "prize" or the JREF challenge.

[AnotherSillyAlias]

Did you bother reading any of the posts in the thread before you posted this, Sheikh? It's not about your "prize" or the JREF challenge.

The guy is an idiot. It would not make the slightest difference if he had read the posts or not.

In fact, his post simply bears out what others have said, anyone of even the most modest intellect can quite easily see what he and his sock puppet MAS are like. The more he posts, the more ridiculous and dishonest he looks.

[Mojo]

The more he posts, the more ridiculous and dishonest he looks.Agreed (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=52377).

[Kochanski]

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Set a criteria to show of the prize. When the criteria will be set, it will be implemented. YOu know having money in the bank is no criteria.

What we have seen that many people from different counteries are entering into european counteries on the production of bank statement. And all bank statements are fictitious. In actual the cash does not exist but bank official provide slips. Might be this is happened also with JREF prize money. Money is not there but statement is available.

Am I right? Show the money of JREF prize offer.

What do you do just look through the headings on the JREF forum for anything with Homeopathy in the title? DUDE, LEARN TO READ. You want to post nonsense, fine but stay on topic. What you have posted bears no relation to the discussion at hand, not even in an oblique way.

[Dr. A Sheikh]

The guy is an idiot. It would not make the slightest difference if he had read the posts or not.

The meaning of idiot in homeopathic dictionary is different. In homepathy natrium muriaticum (Na Cl) is not a compound but in normal dictionary it is a compound.

In homeopathy idiot means most intelligent and lovable personality to whom people pay great respect. ;)

[Nucular]

In homeopathy idiot means most intelligent and lovable personality to whom people pay great respect. ;)
And what colour is the sky in your world, Sheikh?

Do you have anything to add to the topic in hand? Or are you simply trolling?

(Yes, yes, I know the answer)

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

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Set a criteria to show of the prize. When the criteria will be set, it will be implemented. YOu know having money in the bank is no criteria.

What we have seen that many people from different counteries are entering into european counteries on the production of bank statement. And all bank statements are fictitious. In actual the cash does not exist but bank official provide slips. Might be this is happened also with JREF prize money. Money is not there but statement is available.

Am I right? Show the money of JREF prize offer.

Escrow is not a bank account you two-bit hack.

[Czarcasm]

In homeopathy idiot means most intelligent and lovable personality to whom people pay great respect. ;)

Homeopathetics respect idiots.
Tell us something we don't know.

[The_Fire]

I don't quiet think that sheikh have understood the priciples of banking......
As in: Those little numbers represents an actual, non-homeopathic amount of money in a vault somwhere which in turn represents a part of a huge amount of gold hidden away somewhere.......

There's nothing fictious about it.

[The_Fire]

Homeopathetics respect idiots.
Tell us something we don't know.

off cause this could explain the "science" behind it....

[Donks]

The meaning of idiot in homeopathic dictionary is different. In homepathy natrium muriaticum (Na Cl) is not a compound but in normal dictionary it is a compound.

In homeopathy idiot means most intelligent and lovable personality to whom people pay great respect. ;)
Oh I see, to understand what you say we just have to change it to the opposite meaning. So when you say "homeopathy does work" you mean it doesn't. Gotcha.

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

...In homepathy natrium muriaticum (Na Cl) is not a compound but in normal dictionary it is a compound...

How is sodium-chloride (salt), not a compound? If it is seasalt that just means there are impurities in the salt. A chemical compound is a substance formed by the union of two, or more, elements. In this case Sodium (Na) and Chloride (Cl).

Are you seriously suggesting that seasalt, because of its impurities, should be treated as an element, not a compound?

[AnotherSillyAlias]

In homeopathy idiot means most intelligent and lovable personality to whom people pay great respect. ;)

I see, most interesting.

What do the terms "moron" and "fraud" mean in your homeopathic dictionary?

[Flange Desire]

I see, most interesting.

What do the terms "moron" and "fraud" mean in your homeopathic dictionary?

I answer for Dr MAS being understood all
by fraud means my family member has moron meaning all, no?

You see it it is all very clear.

[Kochanski]

Ok, now I am getting very annoyed. I started this thread as a serious discussion and here we go, Dr. A Sheikh has effectively hijacked the thread by posting nonsense. To which everyone understandably felt compelled to reply.

I know controlling the direction of threads on a forum is next to impossible and indeed their meanderings are usually a great part of their charm, but I really would like to see no more replies from Dr. A Sheikh on this one. If you can't stay on topic, go create another one of your own lame nonsense threads :mad:

[AnotherSillyAlias]

Ok, now I am getting very annoyed. I started this thread as a serious discussion and here we go, Dr. A Sheikh has effectively hijacked the thread by posting nonsense. To which everyone understandably felt compelled to reply.



I think your thread may have had a slightly better chance of remaining serious if you had not specifically mentioned homeopathy. I don't think it would require psychic powers to predict that it would soon be invaded by the MAS pestilence.

A somewhat more generic complaint or question would probably have been better. Perhaps something like:

Should we allow ratbags to dominate forum posts?

You could then nominate, within the post, any particular ratbags you might have an issue with.

[Kochanski]

I think your thread may have had a slightly better chance of remaining serious if you had not specifically mentioned homeopathy. I don't think it would require psychic powers to predict that it would soon be invaded by the MAS pestilence.

A somewhat more generic complaint or question would probably have been better. Perhaps something like:

Should we allow ratbags to dominate forum posts?

You could then nominate, within the post, any particular ratbags you might have an issue with.

You are probably right, but I was attempting to be specific simply because of the overabundance of Homeopathy threads of ENORMOUS size that I felt were giving too large a voice to the loony constituency that seem to simply be using the forum as a soapbox for their views.

I would much prefer they do that standing on Hyde Park corner, for many hours, in the middle of a blizzard with temperatures below zero with no one listening and then have them attempt to prevent the loss of extremities by taking homeopathic remedies rather than getting proper medical attention. That however is my own twisted dream, I am cruel that way ;)