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DRBUZZ0
18th February 2006, 07:46 PM
Okay. I had a very interesting experience yesterday. It involves what may or may not qualify as "ball lightning" I know that there are those who are skeptical of the existance of ball lightning, but my opinion is that it is not impossible, but if it does occure in nature it is probably a very rare and "freak" occurance.

Also I have made it in my my microwave....

Anyway, the other day I was at an officer which was getting rid of some of their old servers, as they had upgraded to a new system recently. Before I could clear out the area, I had to take the components out of the 19-inch rack they were in. (They were too big to move the whole unit).

There were several UPS units on the rack, which were modular and could be connected to provide more power. They were being removed, because the new server replaced a several older machines and thus did not need as much power.

As I took out the top one, I noticed that it did not have a top panel on it. The huge lead acid batteries were exosed and they were connected in series. I knew that this was not exactly safe. I was holding it with two other guys, because this thing was huge and very heavy. I would estimate it was about like 10 or so small car batteries.

This thing had been there for quite a while. When we put it down, one of the wires on a very large filter capacitor, which was not as secure as it should be, tipped over from its mount and the terminal came a bit too close to the chassis. It arced, but lucilly only momentarly. When it did, it produced a burst of several small balls of plasma. Most of them died pretty quickly, but few laster a few seconds, floating in the air. One moved up and then down, in the air, and floated like a firefly, for what I would judge as about 4-5 seconds, before fading away.

It was very hard to judge the size of the balls, because 1) I was a bit freaked out and startled. 2.) It was a bit bright, such that it was hard to tell where the plasma ended and what was just the glair around it.

I told the guys who were with me (one being my buddy and the other being one of the guys from the office, whom I recruited when the weight of the thing became apparent), to not touch or look at the thing, and I was going to run out to my car, because I happened to have my 40kv lineman's gloves with me, as well as a HV CRT servicing kit.

I disconnected the batteries completely, and I do not intend to use this UPS for anything until I go over it and make sure everything is secure.

The funny things is I've never seen this same effect, eventhough I've seen many arcs from mains powe (both AC and rectified). I a wondering if it is perticular to batteries and/or large capacitors, given their ability to produce a short burst of voltage.

-Steve

tube
18th February 2006, 08:01 PM
Creating "ball lightning" in the microwave oven is a stunt that has been around for a number of years. The first people to have done this posted the results on a Usenet physics group in the late 1990's, I believe. They used lit birthday candles and bits of charred wood.

The name Jean-Louis Naudin, may be familiar to some of you here, as James Randi challenged his "overunity" device claims some years ago. Jean-Louis Naudin created "ball lightning" in the microwave oven using a sharpened carbon rod.

These methods all work, but are far from elegant. Of all the methods and materials I've tried by far the best is carbon fiber veil. As far as I know, I discovered carbon fiber veil's application as a "ball lightning" initiator.

For an article about carbon fiber veil used for ball lightning take a look at my article here: http://www.amasci.com/tesla/bigball2.html

If you Google "Bigger Better Balls" with or without quotation marks the first hit is this article. Ah, the power of the 'Net...

Hydrogen Cyanide
18th February 2006, 08:10 PM
..For an article about carbon fiber veil used for ball lightning take a look at my article here: http://www.amasci.com/tesla/bigball2.html

Great stuff... and of course you linked to how I got sucked into reading much of that site: Unwise Microwave Oven Experiements (http://amasci.com/weird/microexp.html)

(I checked out the Jean-Louis Naudin site, it was just a bit weird)

DRBUZZ0
18th February 2006, 09:27 PM
Yeah, I know the whole deal with microwave "ball lightning". I am not sure it actually qualifies as a duplicate of the suposed natural event, since it is not caused directly by a discharge of electricity.

In any event. What happened to me may or may not relate to ball lightning. Of course, it certainly was not an actual replication of the natural conditions. I've heard of this sort of thing happening in old submarines when there was some sort of short in the batteries or if a battery switch was opened while under load.

Whatever you call it, the interesting thing is the apparent plasma did fall on the carpeted floor as well as on the case and left no type of scortch mark or anything, eventhough the material was flamable.

I'm guessing that what I saw was plasma, given the way it behaved. It may have been superheated metalic fragments or melted solder, but it does not seem to me that it was. There was no apparent damage to he terminals and I didn't see any evidence of this.

-Steve

tube
18th February 2006, 09:36 PM
This is not intended to be a thread derailment, but if you can't find carbon fiber veil, 0000 steel wool works well, too.

I have never seen natural ball lightning, though I'd love to. One night I let my truck idle with the hood up in the middle of the pitch black woods looking for a coronal discharge on the distriburor; no luck.

I watch high tension power lines, especially when it is moist out. I have not yet seen any discharge there either.

I have seen the Northern Lights once. Plasmas are cool.

DRBUZZ0
18th February 2006, 09:42 PM
Yeah.

At the boston sience museam they have the worlds largest free standing van de graaf generator and also a bunch of tesla coils and whatnot. They do a show a few times a day.

Most of the science in the show is pretty dumbed-down, so don't expect to learn anything new or anything.

However...it's so hella cool...i cannot get enough of it. It's just nuts seeing all the sparks they make.

But then again...I've always had an afinity for shiny objects, colorful lights and things like that...

eri
18th February 2006, 10:32 PM
But it's so loud! I have to wear earplugs to the show. :) I would live inside the BMoS if they would let me - it's the coolest place in the world!