John Edward gets new TV show on "Women's Entertainment" cable channel.

[Ladewig]

http://www.we.tv/

His new show is called "Cross Country" and he travels to different parts of the country to do his shtick.

and once more, the candle gutters and goes out as superstition and wow-woo make advances.

[Ducky]

John Edward is a twat.

I am utterly amazed he is taken seriously.

[Zep]

How best can the Skepchicks make his life a misery? Let's find out...

[DSE]

His new show is called "Cross Country" and he travels to different parts of the country to do his shtick.

and once more, the candle gutters and goes out as superstition and wow-woo make advances.
now, that's just depressing...

[Achán hiNidráne]

John Edward is a twat.

Well, I think it's official that he's the "Biggest Douche In The Universe."

[Diabolos]

John Edward is a twat.
Please consider making this your signature. Short, succinct, accurate.

[Hindmost]

This guy seems to be made of teflon. He avoids controversy very well. He never really says anything intelligible and he has made a fortune doing it.

Everyone is entitled to be stupid, but some abuse the privilege. (to the people who waste good money to see him):rolleyes:

glenn:boxedin:

[ChristineR]

Why is he still alive?

Everytime I watch his show, I want to kill him. And I haven't even got any relatives who were ripped off by him. The guy makes his money lying to greiving, sobbing, shaking, confused, hurting people.

[Azrael 5]

He doesnt even come across as a nice guy! If people dont accept his messages he gets very unpleasant.
Someone should kill him,as he likes crossing over so much!

[Kelly]

His new show is called "Cross Country" and he travels to different parts of the country to do his shtick.

and once more, the candle gutters and goes out as superstition and wow-woo make advances.

Oh, good grief. Now I get to listen to my mom tell me I should watch this because it's so amazing! I hope her cable network doesn't carry it!

[Kochanski]

AAAAAAAARRGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHH. Yes, he will have to be dealt with somehow. Time to hit the cable channel with lots of email and the parent of it, too. Just emailed the channel, let's see if they answer, somehow I think not.

Every year some one or other involved in the convention I work at, which is a sci fi, fantasy and science convention, floats the idea of inviting him as a guest and every year I say sure, as long as I can invite a whole bunch of people who can effectively debunk his act. Idea always gets dropped real fast, partially I am sure because he would be far too expensive a guest for us, but also because the believers in the group don't want to see their hero damaged. Next time the suggestion comes up, I think I will merely agree and if they do manage to book him for the con I will just make sure that we have people there who can expose him :D

[Quinn]

Unbelievable. I feel insulted on behalf of women everywhere.

[Kochanski]

Unbelievable. I feel insulted on behalf of women everywhere.

Same here, but most of the stuff they show is fairly insulting, so they are consistent at least :p Their programming mostly seems to perpetuate the female stereotypes prevalent in women's magazines, so basically I ignore them and skip right past to Comedy Central :D It is a sad state of affairs when some of the most intelligent and thoughtful shows on cable are actually shown on the comedy channel.

I am not ignoring them now, though, I emailed them and may continue to send similar emails on a regular basis if I really feel like being annoying ;)

[Luke T.]

Is it a good thing or a bad thing that I have heard of John Edward but never heard of Women's Entertainment TV?

For some, shopping isn't just a day at the mall; it's an addiction. Can these ladies calm their obsession or will their credit cards get the best of them?

Sounds like the plotline to a Man Show skit.

[ObscureReferenceMan]

Why is he still alive?

Everytime I watch his show, I want to kill him. And I haven't even got any relatives who were ripped off by him. The guy makes his money lying to greiving, sobbing, shaking, confused, hurting people.

My feelings exactly. He is so smug and unctuous... He really creeps me out. And funny thing - one of my best friends knows him personally! But he (my friend) is aware of his (JE) coniving, and is too polite to confront him.

[Ducky]

My feelings exactly. He is so smug and unctuous... He really creeps me out. And funny thing - one of my best friends knows him personally! But he (my friend) is aware of his (JE) coniving, and is too polite to confront him.



Tell your friend to grow some nuts and take one for the team.

[Ladewig]

Tell your friend to grow some nuts and take one for the team.


No way. The right thing to do is have the friend ask for a job and then go undercover in an attempt to bug Edward's phone and internet connection. A few hidden videos showing him preparing for his hot readings should go a long way to debunking him.

[Ducky]

Good point. I vote for that.

[ObscureReferenceMan]

My friend is too much of a gentleman. He knows JE is full of carp, but will not argue with him. In fact, he once told me that at one time, he and JE were watching some paranormal something on TV, and JE said something along the lines of, "I could do it much better than that guy." Kind of implying that it was a trick. When my friend pressed him, saying something like, "I thought you were for real," JE just changed the subject.

[Kochanski]

My friend is too much of a gentleman. He knows JE is full of carp, but will not argue with him. In fact, he once told me that at one time, he and JE were watching some paranormal something on TV, and JE said something along the lines of, "I could do it much better than that guy." Kind of implying that it was a trick. When my friend pressed him, saying something like, "I thought you were for real," JE just changed the subject.

Ah, so he is so full of himself, that he is deluded. He is TERRIBLE at cold reading. The only thing he does better than other people is in the number of questions he can throw up in a minute (and I do mean throw up) :p

[ObscureReferenceMan]

Ah, so he is so full of himself, that he is deluded. He is TERRIBLE at cold reading. The only thing he does better than other people is in the number of questions he can throw up in a minute (and I do mean throw up) :p

I hope you're talking about JE, and not my friend... :)

[Hindmost]

No way. The right thing to do is have the friend ask for a job and then go undercover in an attempt to bug Edward's phone and internet connection. A few hidden videos showing him preparing for his hot readings should go a long way to debunking him.

Of course this would redefine the word "friend," but I am all for it too.

glenn:boxedin:

[Kochanski]

I hope you're talking about JE, and not my friend... :)

Yes, I am talking about the biggest douche in the universe, not your friend ;) OOOOHHH here is a thought, if we all point out this designation from South Park perhaps the WE channel may take offense and not do the show. NAH that won't work but it will probably embarass them and I will take that any day. :D

[J. Arthur Hastur]

Wimmen will watch anything, apparently :D

[Hindmost]

Yes, I am talking about the biggest douche in the universe, not your friend... :D

John Edward is a twat.

Don't sugar coat this, let 'em know how you really feel.

glenn:boxedin:

[I'll_buy_that]

has anyone clicked on the Ask John link? mailto:contactwe@we.tv?subject=Ask_John (contactwe@we.tv?subject=Ask_John)

I wonder if he would even receive an email from a skeptic?

[J. Arthur Hastur]

I'm sure he'd receive it, just not read or respond to it!

[cpolk]

Fellow skeptics, I have been a member of this forum for about a week. I have newfound respect for Edward and Browne. I think they're full of it, but at least they will actually put in the effort to earn their fortunes, rather than wine about the "born royalty" and how unfair it is that the rest of us have to actually work. Even if "work" consists of a single verifiable example of the psychic powers that they supposedly use all the time anyway.

[Rachel1031]

I don't get "women's entertainment" channel, which is a good thing, because although I am a woman, I'm apparently not their target audience.

We do get the Travel Channel, which is annoying enough. Half the time I'm flipping through and there's some "haunted" show with people standing around some basement or castle, with their eyes all wiggy from the black light.

This Friday's line up on the travel channel:

9:00 p.m.
"TRV — Most Haunted
Muckleburgh

The Muckleburgh Collection, an old army base on the Norfolk coastline is a military museum with dark shadows, ghostly footsteps and haunted artifacts. Its said to be haunted by the museum founder. Six women were killed there -are they haunting the museum?"


10:00 p.m.
"TRV — Derek Acorah's Ghost Towns
Faversham

Faversham, a rural village in Kent, is known for its picturesque market square and traditional brewery. But some say it hides a much darker side. Residents report malevolent spirits, dark forces and witchcraft."

11:00 p.m.
"TRV — Weird Travels
Bigfoot

For centuries, legends of hairy, apelike beasts have terrified remote regions around the globe and we're hot on the trail to uncover the truth behind the legend of Bigfoot."

[J. Arthur Hastur]

I have stopped watching the travel channel because of the ridiculous weird travels and most haunted, just as irritating as the History channels ufo and bigfoot shows. Cout TV's psychic detectives also irritate me to no end.

-end rant.

[cpolk]

I have stopped watching the travel channel because of the ridiculous weird travels and most haunted, just as irritating as the History channels ufo and bigfoot shows. Cout TV's psychic detectives also irritate me to no end.

-end rant.

-rant anew

These shows aren't doing anything other than what we want them to do - entertain. They are putting on shows that draw a viewership. It's all bunk, and I can't stand those shows either - but they apparently have enough viewers that it doesn't matter that a piddly few don't believe.

[J. Arthur Hastur]

-rant anew

These shows aren't doing anything other than what we want them to do - entertain. They are putting on shows that draw a viewership. It's all bunk, and I can't stand those shows either - but they apparently have enough viewers that it doesn't matter that a piddly few don't believe.

I don't find lies to be entertaining. Unless they are funny lies.

[Kochanski]

-rant anew

These shows aren't doing anything other than what we want them to do - entertain. They are putting on shows that draw a viewership. It's all bunk, and I can't stand those shows either - but they apparently have enough viewers that it doesn't matter that a piddly few don't believe.

Well, if these were presented in such a way that let people know that what they are viewing is not real, I would not mind so much.

Personally, I think that if WE is going to produce a JE show, they should get Massengill to be their sponsor. If you are going to have a show with the biggest douche in the universe at least have a company that makes them sponsor it ;) I will suggest that in my next email to them :D Oooh, this is getting fun now. I wonder just how annoying I can get. Any other skepchicks want to get in on the fun :rolleyes:

[Ducky]

Kochanski, if you send an email suggesting massengil should sponsor JE's show, you will be on the top 10 list of my alltime heros.

Do it.

[ObscureReferenceMan]

I knew I liked you Kochanski!

[supercorgi]

Personally, I think that if WE is going to produce a JE show, they should get Massengill to be their sponsor. If you are going to have a show with the biggest douche in the universe at least have a company that makes them sponsor it ;) I will suggest that in my next email to them
Brilliant! :clap:

[Kochanski]

Kochanski, if you send an email suggesting massengil should sponsor JE's show, you will be on the top 10 list of my alltime heros.

Do it.

Done :D Let the harassment of WE begin :D Anyone else want to you in on the fun. I think this is the email campaign of a lifetime :cool:

[Ducky]

Done :D Let the harassment of WE begin :D Anyone else want to you in on the fun. I think this is the email campaign of a lifetime :cool:


Uhh. Let's not get ahead of ourselves, lest we be accused of an email campaign of lifetime. (http://www.lifetimetv.com/)


I have sent an email also.

[cpolk]

Well, if these were presented in such a way that let people know that what they are viewing is not real, I would not mind so much.

I agree with that... however, at one time you were not a skeptic, and neither was I. I damn near killed my grandmother with homeotherapy! And from those times, I can attest that ghost stories are more entertaining when you believe they are real.

[Luke T.]

Would there even be a talk show on a Man Channel? No. It would be all Bond all the time.

[Kochanski]

I agree with that... however, at one time you were not a skeptic, and neither was I. I damn near killed my grandmother with homeotherapy! And from those times, I can attest that ghost stories are more entertaining when you believe they are real.

Nope, sorry been a skeptic pretty much my whole life. Rejected Catholicism at an early age when I read Greek and Roman myths and could not see why Catholicism was any different.

Ghost stories are very entertaining when you don't believe in them, I adore fiction. I adore scary stories. I have no problem with fiction, I just have a problem with fiction masquerading as fact.

[Kochanski]

Uhh. Let's not get ahead of ourselves, lest we be accused of an email campaign of lifetime. (http://www.lifetimetv.com/)


I have sent an email also.

Sorry, a bit giddy before eating my dinner :)

Glad you have emailed too.

Ok, kids let's kill them with sarcasm :D

[cpolk]

Nope, sorry been a skeptic pretty much my whole life. Rejected Catholicism at an early age when I read Greek and Roman myths and could not see why Catholicism was any different.

Ghost stories are very entertaining when you don't believe in them, I adore fiction. I adore scary stories. I have no problem with fiction, I just have a problem with fiction masquerading as fact.

LOL Come, now... we were all at stages in our lives where we didn't "know better". We believed frogs caused warts until we learned they didn't.

I'm not saying they are not entertaining, just that they are more entertaining - and believing can make things that are utterly unentertaining seem entertaining. Blair Witch Project and Texas Chainsaw Massacre are two perfect examples.

[Jeff Corey]

Frogs don't cause warts, toads do. Ever see a wart on a frog? No way. But toads are all warty looking, so they must cause warts. Specially the psychedelic ones.

[Instig8R]

According to the press releases that I've read, the program format of "John Edward Cross Country" will provide JE with greater opportunities to hot read.

The new show is described as "a documentary-style series that follows the acclaimed psychic medium as he embarks on a cross country journey to do readings and visit the homes of families he has helped during his large group sessions".

Inasmuch as JE is actually visiting the homes of individuals previously read, he will have even greater opportunities to research families in advance of his visit.

Yes, he sure knows how to help people, doesn't he?

Aaaaargh!!!

[cpolk]

Frogs don't cause warts, toads do. Ever see a wart on a frog? No way. But toads are all warty looking, so they must cause warts. Specially the psychedelic ones.

THAT's why I always had warts on my tongue in college! :jaw-dropp

[Kochanski]

So, anyone else contacting the We channel about their new John Edward nonsense? Come kids this should be a fun exercise for all :D I intend on continuing to email them. Two for today is enough, but I will hit them with more this week, definitely.

[Jeff Corey]

That's one possibility. Did you major in Linguistics?

[cpolk]

That's one possibility. Did you major in Linguistics?

No, gourmet cooking. Trade school. LOL (Retcon!)

[Jeff Corey]

I was going to make a joke, but now I see it's not in good taste.

[cpolk]

I was going to make a joke, but now I see it's not in good taste.

Good thing you didn't, I doubt I could stomach it.

Everyone, beware - somewhere, spirits are warning Edward of your plot!

[Kochanski]

Everyone, beware - somewhere, spirits are warning Edward of your plot!

Good, then maybe he will confront some of us and we can ask him the 1 Million Dollar Question, as in why hasn't he applied for the JREF prize :D Which was one of the questions I posed to the WE channel ;)

[Hindmost]

Good, then maybe he will confront some of us and we can ask him the 1 Million Dollar Question, as in why hasn't he applied for the JREF prize :D Which was one of the questions I posed to the WE channel ;)

And then throw a case of massengil on him...

glenn:D originally thinking "massengil" was a typo.

[Kochanski]

And then throw a case of massengil on him...

glenn:D originally thinking "massengil" was a typo.

Ah, but if this was television of old, then we could really have some fun, since the hosts of shows very often did the actual commercials for their sponsor products :D

You know, the one thing I would actually pay to see JE do would be to do a douche commercial, probably be the most watched commercial ever :D

[cpolk]

(JE standing next to a shadowy sillouhette)

JE: Why, no.... I have never had an "unfresh" feeling...

[DSE]

and something tells me his lawyers wouldn't let anyone get away with a stopjohnedward version of www.stopkaz.com ...

[Luke T.]

and something tells me his lawyers wouldn't let anyone get away with a stopjohnedward version of www.stopkaz.com ...

Want to see something really weird?

I googled "Stop John Edward". In quotes.

Only 5 results. 5. That's it. That's weird all by itself.

But what's weirder is that those 5 results have nothing to do with John Edward.

If we are ready to take the consequences of this, then let's go for it. But please, look before you leap. Remember, public arts funding is but a small--very small--part of the total public funding fabric. As Tevye says,
"...When you pull out a thread, where does it stop."
John Edward Niles
elchnase

1st result (http://listserv.cuny.edu/Scripts/wa.exe?A2=ind9904b&L=opera-l&D=0&P=14236)




You have requested a topic that does not exist!

2nd (http://www.icangripe.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=30;t=000026) and 3rd (http://www.icangripe.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=print_topic;f=30;t=000026) results.





A 45-year-old Shasta Lake man was sentenced Friday to 349 years to life for shooting two Shasta County sheriff's deputies Dec. 27 following a routine traffic stop.

John Edward Knowles II, who was given seven life sentences by Shasta County Superior Court Judge James Ruggiero, was convicted in October of trying to kill deputies Robert Sandbloom and Tom Moon during two separate shootouts.

4th result (http://www.reddingemployment.com/newsarchive/20031114brk080.shtml).




1. Buy and Sell Historical Collectibles on eBay!
Looking for John Edward collectibles? Buy on eBay today and find exactly what you are looking for!
URL: ebay.com

5th result (http://www.alwaysrealestate.net/John-Edward.html). A real estate site with ads that automatically plug in the name/subject you searched on Google for.


Nobody's saying "Stop John Edward."

:eek: :eek: :eek:




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[Kochanski]

No one here is trying to formally "stop John Edward" we are merely voicing our desire to the WE channel that we would prefer not to see the Biggest Douche in the Universe have another tv show featuring his bogus "psychic abilities", but that if they feel compelled to produce such a show they should at least get an appropriate sponsor for the show, ie Massengill :D

[shalomsteph]

I just checked my cable, and I guess I have WE. I also noticed we got Lifetime back. (Last I saw, Dish Network was having a price feud with Lifetime or something.) WE appears to be part of basic programming, so unfortunately, most people get it.

I am female, but like Rachel, obviously not their target audience. I am usually too busy to bother with the women's channels. Weird thing--I have an immune disorder so I left work for awhile. I got bored and went nuts volunteering...now it is like I am working full time again, just on a better schedule.....

[Kochanski]

I just checked my cable, and I guess I have WE. I also noticed we got Lifetime back. (Last I saw, Dish Network was having a price feud with Lifetime or something.) WE appears to be part of basic programming, so unfortunately, most people get it.

I am female, but like Rachel, obviously not their target audience. I am usually too busy to bother with the women's channels. Weird thing--I have an immune disorder so I left work for awhile. I got bored and went nuts volunteering...now it is like I am working full time again, just on a better schedule.....

I have to think that most of the females on this board are not their target audience, I know I am definitely not either, but that doesn't mean we can't voice our opinion about their choice of programming. I mean, they don't know that we are more likely to submit to torture than watch their lame programming, so why not express your opinion on the new show just for kicks ;)

After all, even if we are not typical viewers of their programming, or even likley viewers of their programming, we are female, we do have cable and are therefore "potential" viewers ;) They should be nice to us :D

[The_Fire]

Wimmen will watch anything, apparently :D

If by "wimmen" you mean women, then I can only say one thing:
SPEAK FOR YOURSELF!
;)

[Kochanski]

Just sent my third email to the WE channel. This one directly to their ASK John email address contactwe@we.tv . My question was whether John will apply for the 1 Million Dollar JREF Challenge with a link to the application. Anyone else care to email and do the same? If everyone on this board sent the same email we could have great fun annoying them ;)

And the tilting at windmills continues. I will continue to email them until I get some sort of response. Somehow I think it won't come and I actually am likely to enjoy that more :D

Oh and for more fun you can post comments on the Executive producers page, I just did. http://wespot.typepad.com/kathie/2005/12/_if_you_want_to.html#comment-14272958

[Hindmost]

I am picture JE surrounded by skeptics with his ears on fire being pelted with feminine products...

glenn:bgrin:

[Dinsdale Piranha]

He knows JE is full of carp

That explains the fishy smell.

[shalomsteph]

Just sent my third email to the WE channel. This one directly to their ASK John email address contactwe@we.tv . My question was whether John will apply for the 1 Million Dollar JREF Challenge with a link to the application. Anyone else care to email and do the same? If everyone on this board sent the same email we could have great fun annoying them ;)

And the tilting at windmills continues. I will continue to email them until I get some sort of response. Somehow I think it won't come and I actually am likely to enjoy that more :D

Oh and for more fun you can post comments on the Executive producers page, I just did. http://wespot.typepad.com/kathie/2005/12/_if_you_want_to.html#comment-14272958


I left a message there as well: http://wespot.typepad.com/kathie/2005/12/_if_you_want_to.html#comment-14298465

I will probably do a better one later, but it's a start.

[scotth]

Sent an email and posted to the 'board' as Scott.

[Mrs. Hmmphries]

http://www.we.tv/

His new show is called "Cross Country" and he travels to different parts of the country to do his shtick.

and once more, the candle gutters and goes out as superstition and wow-woo make advances.


*bangs head against wall*

Why Bob?! WHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY?!?!

[Kochanski]

*bangs head against wall*

Why Bob?! WHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY?!?!

Stop banging your head and do something positive like email and/or post to the WE channel here: contactwe@we.tv and/or http://wespot.typepad.com/kathie/200...mment-14272958

If they can make our heads hurt at least we can return the favor :D

[Mrs. Hmmphries]

Stop banging your head and do something positive like email and/or post to the WE channel here: contactwe@we.tv and/or http://wespot.typepad.com/kathie/200...mment-14272958

If they can make our heads hurt at least we can return the favor :D


Done!
That was fun. I think I'll do it again tomorrow....

[scotth]

I did get an automated email reply, Thanking me for taking the time to contact WE.

I suspect when a human reads my email to them, I won't be getting thanked any more.

Contents of my email to them....

I can't imagine why WE would consider doing such a disservice to its audience by adding a John Edward show to its lineup.

John Edward is nothing more than a scam artist who makes his money by preying on the vulnerabilities of the bereaved. There isn't a lower life form.

Many people have an unfortunate 'need' to believe in hokum, and WE is stepping and providing it, all honesty and ethics be damned. Does helping John with his fraud seem ok because there are so many who don't understand they are being scammed? And sadly, most of these people believe in this CRAP because they mistakenly believe that it couldn't be shown on TV if it wasn't true.

[Kochanski]

I got a reply too, seems to be by someone semi-human, because they were replying to my suggestion that Massengill should be the sponsor for the show. They produced no reasons or proof of his abilities, so I replied and gave them more reasons for headaches. Yes, this is getting very fun. :D

[ObscureReferenceMan]

Kochanski - I went to post a comment to WE, but my response got too long. It's now a Word file that I am still updating. I hope I can finish it soon...

[Kochanski]

Ah, 4 emails from me and counting. I am having fun with this. Anyone else want to join the fun? A couple of addresses for you: contactwe@rmhi.com and contactwe@we.tv

[Ducky]

Ah, 4 emails from me and counting. <snip>


While I love you to death, and have sent emails myself, I think we should be careful not to appear to support outright spamming.

Perhaps removing the email addresses in that post would be a good idea?


Mind you, I'm not a mod or anything...

[Kochanski]

Those email addresses are public addresses posted on their site, otherwise I would not think to post them. The mods can kill the addresses if they want.

I don't think 4 emails over several days qualifies as spamming them, yet. And I am not just repeating the same email, one was actual a response to their snarky remark (and commercial for WE channel all in one) about my reference to South Park. So there :p

[Ducky]

Those email addresses are public addresses posted on their site, otherwise I would not think to post them. The mods can kill the addresses if they want.

I don't think 4 emails over several days qualifies as spamming them, yet. And I am not just repeating the same email, one was actual a response to their snarky remark (and commercial for WE channel all in one) about my reference to South Park. So there :p



Forgive me, I didn't mean to imply that you were spamming, just that out of context the jref itself now has a post where an encouragement to email is given with the addresses. Since they are listed on the WE website, I was thinking it might be misconstrued.

I apologise for not being clear. I was not saying you were spamming, or that you actually did advocate it, just that I think we should avoid any appearance of that.

[Kochanski]

Forgive me, I didn't mean to imply that you were spamming, just that out of context the jref itself now has a post where an encouragement to email is given with the addresses. Since they are listed on the WE website, I was thinking it might be misconstrued.

I apologise for not being clear. I was not saying you were spamming, or that you actually did advocate it, just that I think we should avoid any appearance of that.

Ah, I do appreciate the thought, I was somewhat concerned, too. I would never encourage people to spam. It is just me calling for action in the only way we are capable of doing so in this instance. Many people here have as strong opinions about JE and have many points to make about their views. I am just encouraging people to express them in their own voices and let WE know them.

My own personal quest, to get someone to actually answer (without a commercial in it), will probably lead me to continue to email them, but I am particularly stubborn that way ;)

[Ducky]

Ah, I do appreciate the thought, I was somewhat concerned, too. I would never encourage people to spam.

Of course not. :)

It is just me calling for action in the only way we are capable of doing so in this instance. Many people here have as strong opinions about JE and have many points to make about their views.

Well of course they do. JE is a twat. (Is that a strong opinion?)

I am just encouraging people to express them in their own voices and let WE know them.

This I fully support.

My own personal quest, to get someone to actually answer (without a commercial in it), will probably lead me to continue to email them, but I am particularly stubborn that way ;)

Hey I'm sending my own emails. I hope one of us gets a response soon.

[alfaniner]

Why not surprise them and send a snail mail? At least they can't just hit the "delete" button or cut and paste a reply. Usually someone has to take some action to respond to a real letter.

[J. Arthur Hastur]

Nah, they just drop it into the shredder.

[Kochanski]

No, won't try snail mail, seems silly when email is so much easier and leaves me with a record of my correspondence. Ever the skeptic, I keep proof.

I have emailed WE again, I am asking them why they are not encouraging JE to apply for the Million Dollar Paranormal Challenge (with link to application included). I mean it would be the greatest marketing tool for them if they truly believe his "abilities" are real. So far, silence and I have told them that the silence speaks volumes to me ;)

Still tilting at windmills, but enjoying it none the less :cool:

[Kochanski]

Ok, here is the answer I got from WE:

Thanks for contacting WE: Women's Entertainment. We are producing a
new series with psychic medium John Edward that is premiering on March
17 at 10PM/ET. We have finished taping John's seminars in Orlando,
Phoenix, Los Angeles and New York. After each event he went home with
some of the people he read during each show to take a look at how the
experience has affected their lives. For ticket information to other
John Edward events and his schedule please visit John's website at
www.johnedward.net, send an email to XXXXXXXXXX or write
to:
GPI, Inc
P.O. Box 383
Huntington NY 11743
Again, thanks for your interest in our network

And this was to my email:

Still curious as to why no one at the WE channel is encouraging John Edward to take the JREF Million Dollar Paranormal Challenge. It would be the greatest marketing tool for your channel there ever could be.
It would bring in big viewing numbers and probably lots of advertising dollars. And yet I get no answer.

Strange, if you believe that what he does is true, as you are implying it is by producing his show as if he can truly do what he purports, then I think you would jump all over this wonderful opportunity for publicity and to forever silence his critics.

The application can be found here:
http://www.randi.org/research/challenge.html

Or will I continue to get stone silence from you because you do not care to admit that he is nothing more than an unctious, slimy fake.

I think that silence will be all that I will get, and it speaks VOLUMES TO ME.

Natalie Jaran


It is clear to me that they choose not to actually read emails but just reply with their canned response. At least I am making things lively on the comments page at the WE channel ;)

I have x'ed out the JE email for the sake of not appearing to encourage spam ;)

[wolfgirl]

Okay, I just sent them an email telling them how dismayed I am that they are going to contribute to the shameful practice of making money from grieving people's desperate need to believe in the charlatan John Edward. I told them that as long as they were going to air a program that contributes to the "dumbing down" of America and the concept that women are stupid and will believe anything, I will never watch anything on their network. (They don't have to know that I have probably never watched anything on their network and probably never would...)

[scotth]

It would be even better to get a list of the show's advertisers and write them letters telling them that their products will be boycotted as long as they support John Edward's 'show'.

[Hindmost]

http://forums.randi.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=1238&stc=1&d=1141093439

The skeptic's patron

glenn:rolleyes: but we will keep trying

[wolfgirl]

Okay, I just sent them an email telling them how dismayed I am that they are going to contribute to the shameful practice of making money from grieving people's desperate need to believe in the charlatan John Edward. I told them that as long as they were going to air a program that contributes to the "dumbing down" of America and the concept that women are stupid and will believe anything, I will never watch anything on their network. (They don't have to know that I have probably never watched anything on their network and probably never would...)I got the usual canned response from them, which actually included a promotion for the JE show!

Frustrated, I responded about how they should have a douche company sponsor them because of the South Park thing, etc. Surprisingly, I got the following personal response from this, and quite quickly:

And we all know what a serious show South Park is!

WE: Women's Entertainment

He doesn't make predictions, he makes connections.
John Edward Cross Country
Premieres Friday, March 17th only on WE
10pm ET/7pm PT
www.we.tv

Like what you see on WE: Women's Entertainment?
Sign up to receive our newsletter here:
http://www.we.tv/profile?newUser=true

[Kochanski]

I got the usual canned response from them, which actually included a promotion for the JE show!

Frustrated, I responded about how they should have a douche company sponsor them because of the South Park thing, etc. Surprisingly, I got the following personal response from this, and quite quickly:

And we all know what a serious show South Park is!

WE: Women's Entertainment

He doesn't make predictions, he makes connections.
John Edward Cross Country
Premieres Friday, March 17th only on WE
10pm ET/7pm PT
www.we.tv

Like what you see on WE: Women's Entertainment?
Sign up to receive our newsletter here:
http://www.we.tv/profile?newUser=true

Yes, they know how to be snarky, but they will dodge answering any questions about why they haven't asked JE to submit to the Million Dollar Paranormal Challenge.

My email about South Park got a similarly snide response. They seem to think that just because South Park is a cartoon, it lacks serious content. Seems to me they discuss honestly (albeit in humorous way) more serious topics and take more HONEST positions on things than other shows. It is a sad state of affairs when a comedy channel carries more HONEST CONTENT than the rest of the channels on TV.

WE channel apparently only cares about catering to the deluded and I think we should leave them to them. Most advertisers of stupid garbage (all the lovely woo stuff that doesn't do squat) will flock to them and any serious advertisers will choose somewhere else to go. Sad that they do NOT seem to wish to target an educated enlightened audience of females and choose to place themselves firmly in the company of the tabloid papers that sell at supermarket check out counters. It is a position that will leave them with an audience that while completely docile and likely to buy whatever they show is unlikely to grow as they are insulting the rest of us.

[ObscureReferenceMan]

Kochanski - you rule! (I'm still working on my response to WE...)

[Mrs. Hmmphries]

I'm still waiting on a response from WE.

[scotth]

WE: Women's Entertainment

He doesn't make predictions, he makes connections.


Yep, he connects their money with his wallet.

[articulett]

his ego grows each time some sucker cries and says, "that's amazing..."

[wolfgirl]

Hey, folks, there is a real live person responding to these emails, at least.

I replied to the reply, telling them that there's a million dollars waiting for JE if he can prove that he can do anything that any reasonably skilled magician or illusionist can't do, not even mentioning Randi or this site, and I got this:

I guess he prefers not to deal with the "Randi" people.

WE: Women's Entertainment

He doesn't make predictions, he makes connections.
John Edward Cross Country
Premieres Friday, March 17th only on WE
10pm ET/7pm PT
www.we.tv

Like what you see on WE: Women's Entertainment?
Sign up to receive our newsletter here:
http://www.we.tv/profile?newUser=true

[Mrs. Hmmphries]

I got a response...but only to the mail I sent today.
Apparently, they think I'm you, wolfgirl.


Here's the whole shebang, including the reply I just sent.





No, I am NOT wolfgirl.
And I didn't SAY he "makes predictions".
I said, "He's a fraud"....which he is.


>From: "CONTACTWE" <CONTACTWE@rmhi.com>
>To: "Shannon Ford" <ford_prefect76@hotmail.com>
>Subject: Re: John Edward's new show
>Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 12:27:55 -0500
>
>wolfgirl?
>
>WE: Women's Entertainment
>
>He doesn't make predictions, he makes connections.
>John Edward Cross Country
>Premieres Friday, March 17th only on WE
>10pm ET/7pm PT
>www.we.tv
>
>Like what you see on WE: Women's Entertainment?
>Sign up to receive our newsletter here:
>http://www.we.tv/profile?newUser=true
>
> >>> "Shannon Ford" <ford_prefect76@hotmail.com> 02/28/06 11:15 AM >>>
>I'm completely disgusted with your channel and it's decision to give
>John
>Edwards another show with which to contribute to the dumbing down of
>America. The man is a fraud who preys on the bereaved and gullible.
>Luckily for your channel, there are millions of idiots in this country
>
>willing to buy into this fake. I wonder how you people manage to sleep
>at
>night.

[wolfgirl]

I got a response...but only to the mail I sent today.
Apparently, they think I'm you, wolfgirl.


Here's the whole shebang, including the reply I just sent.





No, I am NOT wolfgirl.
And I didn't SAY he "makes predictions".
I said, "He's a fraud"....which he is.


>From: "CONTACTWE" <CONTACTWE@rmhi.com>
>To: "Shannon Ford" <ford_prefect76@hotmail.com>
>Subject: Re: John Edward's new show
>Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 12:27:55 -0500
>
>wolfgirl?
>
>WE: Women's Entertainment
>
>He doesn't make predictions, he makes connections.
>John Edward Cross Country
>Premieres Friday, March 17th only on WE
>10pm ET/7pm PT
>www.we.tv
>
>Like what you see on WE: Women's Entertainment?
>Sign up to receive our newsletter here:
>http://www.we.tv/profile?newUser=true
>
> >>> "Shannon Ford" <ford_prefect76@hotmail.com> 02/28/06 11:15 AM >>>
>I'm completely disgusted with your channel and it's decision to give
>John
>Edwards another show with which to contribute to the dumbing down of
>America. The man is a fraud who preys on the bereaved and gullible.
>Luckily for your channel, there are millions of idiots in this country
>
>willing to buy into this fake. I wonder how you people manage to sleep
>at
>night.The person who is responding to these is obviously coming here and reading our posts, since I never used the wolfgirl name in my emails to WE. She must've thought you were me because your email was very similar to some of the things I've said in my posts and vice versa. Hopefully she will see that there are many of us who feel this way.

And for every one of us who comes here and posts, there are thousands of others who feel the same but don't voice it this way, but will still be "voting with their pocketbooks" as they say.

[Kochanski]

Ah, so they are definitely lurking here :p

The reply I got today identified me correctly, which is fine and dandy with me. We have nothing to hide. We are not doing anything wrong. Unlike our friends at WE channel who are producing JE's new show.

Apparently, we are getting to them, though. Good. Hate to think no one is paying attention when I am saying something important ;)

[wolfgirl]

I got a response...but only to the mail I sent today.
Apparently, they think I'm you, wolfgirl.


Here's the whole shebang, including the reply I just sent.





No, I am NOT wolfgirl.
And I didn't SAY he "makes predictions".
I said, "He's a fraud"....which he is.


>From: "CONTACTWE" <CONTACTWE@rmhi.com>
>To: "Shannon Ford" <ford_prefect76@hotmail.com>
>Subject: Re: John Edward's new show
>Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 12:27:55 -0500
>
>wolfgirl?
>
>WE: Women's Entertainment
>
>He doesn't make predictions, he makes connections.
>John Edward Cross Country
>Premieres Friday, March 17th only on WE
>10pm ET/7pm PT
>www.we.tv
>
>Like what you see on WE: Women's Entertainment?
>Sign up to receive our newsletter here:
>http://www.we.tv/profile?newUser=true
>
> >>> "Shannon Ford" <ford_prefect76@hotmail.com> 02/28/06 11:15 AM >>>
>I'm completely disgusted with your channel and it's decision to give
>John
>Edwards another show with which to contribute to the dumbing down of
>America. The man is a fraud who preys on the bereaved and gullible.
>Luckily for your channel, there are millions of idiots in this country
>
>willing to buy into this fake. I wonder how you people manage to sleep
>at
>night.Oh, and the "he doesn't make predictions, he makes connections" quote wasn't a response to you personally but rather the standard promo that they've got going in all of their emails.

[Mrs. Hmmphries]

Yeah, I recognised it from your earlier post, which was why I pointed out it had nothing to do with what I wrote in my reply.

I've gotten 2 more replies, one of which was just "Sorry, madmonk76".

I have no problem with them knowing who I am either, I signed my full name in my original email.

[wolfgirl]

Yeah, I recognised it from your earlier post, which was why I pointed out it had nothing to do with what I wrote in my reply.

I've gotten 2 more replies, one of which was just "Sorry, madmonk76".

I have no problem with them knowing who I am either, I signed my full name in my original email.I used my real name in my email, too.

Apparently, someone thinks they're very clever for having "found us."

[Mrs. Hmmphries]

Yeah, great detective work on the part of Captain Obvious, seeing as how Kochanski mentioned the challenge repeatedly. At least an actual person is reading them...

[Ladewig]

"He doesn't make predictions, he pretends to make connections"

Taking money from grieving people under false pretenses - with the exception of psychic surgeons, is anyone lower than that?

--------------------

Letter writers may want to point out that John Hockenberry caught Edward cheating on a Dateline episode. And that his new format on the WE channel allows for cheating (hot reading) on a scale that none of his previous programs came close to.

[Kochanski]

"He doesn't make predictions, he pretends to make connections"

Taking money from grieving people under false pretenses - with the exception of psychic surgeons, is anyone lower than that?

--------------------

Letter writers may want to point out that John Hockenberry caught Edward cheating on a Dateline episode. And that his new format on the WE channel allows for cheating (hot reading) on a scale that none of his previous programs came close to.

Lower than that, sure, tv channels that will produce shows to give these frauds a large unsuspecting audience who may believe that because it is on tv it must be true.

Interesting how when you go to the executive producer's comments now, the comments on her article show as 0, where they use to show on the page. Now if you click the "comments" link, they all do show up, but I guess they are not so please with what has been said there, too bad.

[alfaniner]

As long as "they" are reading this...

Just watch a performance once, only instead of thinking of him as a psychic, pretend that he's just playing a guessing game.

See if you can tell the difference.

[gypsynuke]

Women's Entertainment Television. WET (childish giggles). Sounds like porn.

[Mrs. Hmmphries]

Latest response from our lurking friend:


Yes, personally I do believe he has an ability and I base my opinion on
having been to one of his seminars where he read my sister and several
co-workers very accurately. It was quite compelling but I also respect
that not everyone believes in what he does and that's OK.

[Ducky]

Latest response from our lurking friend:


Yes, personally I do believe he has an ability and I base my opinion on
having been to one of his seminars where he read my sister and several
co-workers very accurately. It was quite compelling but I also respect
that not everyone believes in what he does and that's OK.



All that says is that this person thinks scams are compelling. Yes they are. JE is still a scam.

Still not evidence. Too bad JE will never take the challenge.

[Kochanski]

I am highly amused by their "tagline" disclaimer:

"He doesn't make predictions, he makes connections."

Funny, I don't think any of us ever said he made predictions. If that is what they think, then they haven't paid much attention to his schtick, they just thought it sounded good and that it would be something to help them legally.

He pretends to talk to the dead. Nothing predictive about that at all, so they do a really good job at pretending to say something important. Ah, the smell of fresh spin in the morning, personally I prefer the smell of manure.

Frankly, if he ever came close to conecting with me in any way I think I would be violently ill. He is obnoxious, uctious, egotistical and patronizing. It boggles my mind that anyone believes him at all, but then Rasputin appears to have been a pretty gross character, too and he seems to have had no problems getting people to believe in him.

[alfaniner]

Latest response from our lurking friend:


Yes, personally I do believe he has an ability and I base my opinion on
having been to one of his seminars where he read my sister and several
co-workers very accurately. It was quite compelling but I also respect
that not everyone believes in what he does and that's OK.


Yes, they work in something resembling a building, and eat something called food.

He did not read them very accurately. He threw out a bunch of guesses that happened to match. Investigate the technique called "cold reading". It's what he does.

[Mrs. Hmmphries]

Yes, they work in something resembling a building, and eat something called food.

He did not read them very accurately. He threw out a bunch of guesses that happened to match. Investigate the technique called "cold reading". It's what he does.


I do not think she'll care.(Said in Eric the Red's voice)
Personally, I don't think she cares one way or the other.
She's probably some intern who got stuck with answering the anti-JE mail.
I don't suppose anybody at WE actually cares at all, so long as they get good enough ratings.

[Ladewig]

Yes, they work in something resembling a building, and eat something called food.

He did not read them very accurately. He threw out a bunch of guesses that happened to match. Investigate the technique called "cold reading". It's what he does.

As I said in a previous post, he does more than cold reading, he was caught doing hot reading and I imagine that he is smart enough to do warm reading as well.

[exarch]

All that says is that this person thinks scams are compelling. Yes they are. JE is still a scam.
Hey, I think Nigeria e-mails are compelling, but by now, most people seem to have figured out that it's not a good idea to believe in those. And I figure that doing a TV show promoting the Nigerian scam would definitely end up in some sort of lawsuit.

As for cold reading, people on this board have already discovered that a WE employee is lurking on this board, and she didn't even tell us that, we figured that out from her own response. This is exactly how JE operates.

(Hey, should we get her fired for surfing the internet when she should be WORKING? Then again, for the sake of honesty we'd probably all have to quit our job then).

[scotth]

As of 8:45 am CST on March 1, 2006.....

On We's homepage there is a link to 'more' on John Edward Cross Country (links to http://www.johnedward.we.tv/) and it is non functional.

That is at least a bit encouraging.

Does anyone know if it has been working?

[scotth]

Women's Entertainment Television. WET (childish giggles). Sounds like porn.


After reading this post.... My mind just puts the T on the end of WE.

And the url to the board over there is wespot.typepad.com... Insert the 'T', and weTspot.typepad.com. Definitely sounds like porn.

[Kochanski]

As of 8:45 am CST on March 1, 2006.....

On We's homepage there is a link to 'more' on John Edward Cross Country (links to http://www.johnedward.we.tv/) and it is non functional.

That is at least a bit encouraging.

Does anyone know if it has been working?

Yes it has, but if you click on the Green JE logo on the left it goes to the page. Just looks like they forgot to link the image of the other one when they moved it.

Sorry, kids, don't think they are abandoning this now. They have already taped episodes and paid precious money. You know they will broadcast no matter what we say. Let's just hope they get very poor viewing numbers and it crashes and burns :D

[Kochanski]

OOooh, I just checked the scheduled time for his show. THEY ARE TOAST it is up against BATTLESTAR GALACTICA and not only that, it starts on the same day as Sci Fi starts broadcasting the new Doctor Who show with Christopher Eccleston. That was huge in the UK, Canada, Australia and every other place it showed. Doctor Who airs at 9 pm and Battlestar follows.

:D

[Vorticity]

<image snipped>
The skeptic's patron
Or perhaps these guys:
http://www.isi.edu/info-agents/heracles/heracles-hydra.jpg

[exarch]

OOooh, I just checked the scheduled time for his show. THEY ARE TOAST it is up against BATTLESTAR GALACTICA and not only that, it starts on the same day as Sci Fi starts broadcasting the new Doctor Who show with Christopher Eccleston. That was huge in the UK, Canada, Australia and every other place it showed. Doctor Who airs at 9 pm and Battlestar follows.
Yeah, because women who watch John Edward and any other crap on WE are definitely going to be interested in science fiction, aliens, explosions and people shooting ray guns :rolleyes:

[Ladewig]

Yeah, because women who watch John Edward and any other crap on WE are definitely going to be interested in science fiction, aliens, explosions and people shooting ray guns :rolleyes:

Among my friends, there are more women watching BG than men. The show does have a variety of strong female role models er, let's just say strong women. I don't know what my female friends think of Mr. Edward, though.

[Hindmost]

OOooh, I just checked the scheduled time for his show. THEY ARE TOAST it is up against BATTLESTAR GALACTICA and not only that, it starts on the same day as Sci Fi starts broadcasting the new Doctor Who show with Christopher Eccleston. That was huge in the UK, Canada, Australia and every other place it showed. Doctor Who airs at 9 pm and Battlestar follows.

:D

You just made my day/week/year...knowing Dr. Who is going to be back on TV is just great.:) An we will still put J. Edward in the toaster oven.

glenn


A straight line may be the shortest distance between two points, but it is by no means the most interesting

Never be certain of anything, it’s a sign of weakness.

Dr. Who

[Kochanski]

Well, I doubt the BG scheduling will effect the truly deluded, but if they are expecting to draw additional audience from people who might be interested in this sort of thing (remember JE last gig was on SCI FI CHANNEL) then they have picked the wrong night for the show to be broadcast :D

[Kochanski]

You just made my day/week/year...knowing Dr. Who is going to be back on TV is just great.:) An we will still put J. Edward in the toaster oven.

glenn


A straight line may be the shortest distance between two points, but it is by no means the most interesting

Never be certain of anything, it’s a sign of weakness.

Dr. Who

The new show is FANTASTIC to quote the new Doctor. I have all the episodes on region 2 dvd, region free dvd players rock :D

[wolfgirl]

Latest response from our lurking friend:


Yes, personally I do believe he has an ability and I base my opinion on
having been to one of his seminars where he read my sister and several
co-workers very accurately. It was quite compelling but I also respect
that not everyone believes in what he does and that's OK.What I don't get - and I mean REALLY don't get - is how people can't see that what he does is just another version of a magic trick.

When people watch a magician, I don't know a single one of them who thinks that the magician is actually doing something magical. We all know that what he is doing is somehow an illusion; we just don't know how. When David Copperfield makes an elephant disappear on stage, we can't figure out for the life of us how he made it happen, but we don't go around saying "I saw the elephant disappear, so he must have some sort of magical power, because how else could you explain it?" We just know that there was in illusion involved, a trick. Just because we can't figure out how the trick was done, doesn't mean we don't all know it was a trick.

Yet with JE and his ilk, people will say "I saw him do it, and I don't know how he could've done it, so he must really be talking to dead people." They can't make that leap that they do with magic and say "I saw him do it, and I don't know how he did it, but I know he's not really talking to dead people. Nice trick!"

This despite the fact that magicians and illusionists are the very people who invented the whole damn practice of cold reading and so on. This is so blatantly obvious that it defies the imagination how anybody couldn't "get" it.

Stupid people will just continue to be stupid, and networks like WE will continue to feed off of that stupidity with no regret and no remorse. Ick!

[Mrs. Hmmphries]

They stopped replying to my emails.
Bah.

[Kochanski]

I am surprised we got as much of a response as we did, lame as those responses were.

Things like this always make me think of Threepenny Opera and the Cannon song.

The callous indifference to the human suffering they will cause really makes me angry and that they will attempt to justify it (or at least sort of attempt to deflect the blame) with lame taglines puts them at an all time low in my book.

[Ladewig]

What I don't get - and I mean REALLY don't get - is how people can't see that what he does is just another version of a magic trick.

When people watch a magician, I don't know a single one of them who thinks that the magician is actually doing something magical. We all know that what he is doing is somehow an illusion; we just don't know how. When David Copperfield makes an elephant disappear on stage, we can't figure out for the life of us how he made it happen, but we don't go around saying "I saw the elephant disappear, so he must have some sort of magical power, because how else could you explain it?" We just know that there was in illusion involved, a trick. Just because we can't figure out how the trick was done, doesn't mean we don't all know it was a trick.

Yet with JE and his ilk, people will say "I saw him do it, and I don't know how he could've done it, so he must really be talking to dead people." They can't make that leap that they do with magic and say "I saw him do it, and I don't know how he did it, but I know he's not really talking to dead people. Nice trick!"

This despite the fact that magicians and illusionists are the very people who invented the whole damn practice of cold reading and so on. This is so blatantly obvious that it defies the imagination how anybody couldn't "get" it.

Stupid people will just continue to be stupid, and networks like WE will continue to feed off of that stupidity with no regret and no remorse. Ick!

Hold up there a bit. There is a difference. Spectators don't have an emotional tie to the elephant that disappeared. The JE audience members may be suffering from crushing grief. Seeing one's child die can cloud one's judgement to the point that one might believe the ridiculously foolish things that JE and others of his ilk say to audiences. I don't think it is fair to describe people who believe all or part of JE's spiel as stupid.

[Kochanski]

Hold up there a bit. There is a difference. Spectators don't have an emotional tie to the elephant that disappeared. The JE audience members may be suffering from crushing grief. Seeing one's child die can cloud one's judgement to the point that one might believe the ridiculously foolish things that JE and others of his ilk say to audiences. I don't think it is fair to describe people who believe all or part of JE's spiel as stupid.

Yes, they are blinded by grief and grabbing at the little bits of false hope that he offers. They WANT to believe, they need to believe and they are being taken advantage of because of this.

[wolfgirl]

Hold up there a bit. There is a difference. Spectators don't have an emotional tie to the elephant that disappeared. The JE audience members may be suffering from crushing grief. Seeing one's child die can cloud one's judgement to the point that one might believe the ridiculously foolish things that JE and others of his ilk say to audiences. I don't think it is fair to describe people who believe all or part of JE's spiel as stupid.Yes, but the vast majority of his audience isn't getting anything personal from it, they're just watching. People watching on TV at home don't have a personal attachment. They may want to believe because it gives them hope that their personal loved one still exists somewhere, but not because he is giving them any direct contact with that loved one. I think it's fair to say that most of the people who watch his show, though, don't get anything personal from it at all, other than the pleasure of watching something "entertaining."

Having said that, though, yes, you are correct that people aren't necessarily stupid for believing it. I have a dear friend whose parents had both recently died and who believed in JE. I (believe it or not!:)) tactfully discussed the subject with him and mostly convinced him that JE was a fake, though he still "wants to believe." Grieving, desparate, vulnerable people are his stock in trade. The stupid people just like to watch!

[Marker]

If JE is going to be touring the US, couldnt skeptics organise local demonstrations at each venue - and make sure the local media new about it?

[Mrs. Hmmphries]

Actually, I lied.
I did get another response, (finally), but it was more lame you are entitled to your opinion but he has helped yadda yadda yadda crap.

[Kochanski]

Actually, I lied.
I did get another response, (finally), but it was more lame you are entitled to your opinion but he has helped yadda yadda yadda crap.

I want to email them again, but I am searching for a new approach. Don't know why I am, they don't give a flying squirrel about what we have to say really. And I know any reply I get will be more lame babble (with their commercial at the end), but I still want to give it to them because there are only two things he has ever helped, he has helped deluded people stay deluded and he has helped bring in buckets of bucks for himself.

[Marker]

In the absence of any responses - I'll suggest a bit more. This could be be a set of 60's type demonstrations - people with placards hanging around the building where the filming is taking place. I am sure that for whatever location he is at we could find a small bunch of skeptics. If they rope in their friends and a few other hangers-on it is concievable that we could get about 20-40 protesters at every site. Here are my suggestions for placards:

Your Grief = His Greed

Stop
Cold Hearted
Cold Reading

You wont find
Your Dear Departed
You will find
His Cheap Tricks

Go for
Honest Grieving
Not
Dishonest Deception

Ok so that my contribution. I am someone who has recently returned to this forum after a long absence. The most depressing thing I found on my return was the fact that so little had changed.

Isnt it about time we got militant?

[Kochanski]

I don't think that demonstrations with placards will do anything. The people who pay to go to his readings (and boy do they pay) are true believers and they won't be swayed by demonstrations of that sort. It would only give him more ammunition to prime the audience with once they are inside.

Now, if we could get someone to go up on stage with him and do some cold reading better than he does (shouldn't be hard he is relatively bad at it), someone who will say in advance that what they are doing is a trick done for entertainment that might get their attention. Or they will just believe that the person is psychic but doesn't know it. So, that won't really work (well maybe some might wake up).

Even if you could prove that he was perpetrating some obvious fraud (beyond the cold reading which they don't seem to understand enough to get that they are being manipulated into giving him the answers that he presents as his "gift"), that you could show people, you would still have a hard time convincing them.

Media might be interested in a demonstration, but with the crowd of believers being much larger than us and the media's apparent love of psychics, I doubt the story would paint us in any sort of good light.

If you could get an investigative journalist who works in tv (do real ones exist any more?) and could give them a compelling reason to pay attention to JE maybe we could be somewhat effective in a demonstration with an interview with people knowledgable in cold reading involved.

I understand your desire, we all have it here, but not sure we could pull this off.

[Marker]

I've just started a new thread called "How to Sting Edwards" - it may be a fantasy but I'd appreciate you comments on just how far away from reality this really is.

[ChristineR]

Actually, I lied.
I did get another response, (finally), but it was more lame you are entitled to your opinion but he has helped yadda yadda yadda crap.

No, that's terrific. You've stung them. They know it's wrong, at least some of them do, and they don't know what to do about it.

[exarch]

I don't think that demonstrations with placards will do anything. The people who pay to go to his readings (and boy do they pay) are true believers and they won't be swayed by demonstrations of that sort. It would only give him more ammunition to prime the audience with once they are inside.

Now, if we could get someone to go up on stage with him and do some cold reading better than he does (shouldn't be hard he is relatively bad at it), someone who will say in advance that what they are doing is a trick done for entertainment that might get their attention. Or they will just believe that the person is psychic but doesn't know it. So, that won't really work (well maybe some might wake up).
The trick is not in debating him (and they'll just cut out whatever is most upsetting to the people watching), the trick is getting picked for a reading, and then giving him all the wrong signals. You know, not actually saying "my aunt''s maiden name is Mary", instead, when he starts with the whole "I feel a female presence, does the name Mary mean anything" respond with "My grandmother ..." and let HIM pick up with "yes, she says she's your grandmother". You're not actually lying here, HE is the one making the assumptions (after all, that's what his technique is really all about). With a bit of practice, anyone should be able to lead him on like that. Then comes the part where you wait for the show to air, and only then go to the media saying how John completely f**ked it up with your reading, how your grandmother isn't even dead, etc... I think that's probably the only way some skepticism is actually going to get air time. Even if you blow the whistle at the end of the taping of the show, they're just going to cut that out. After all, the network, the TV public, and especially JE himself, doesn't want any of the failiures to be shown. They want to be enthralled by fascinating, inexplicable, miraculous accuracy. The network will probably even edit readings so some of the losing streaks are not looking so bad any more. What you see on TV definitely isn't real.

[Mrs. Hmmphries]

The trick is not in debating him (and they'll just cut out whatever is most upsetting to the people watching), the trick is getting picked for a reading, and then giving him all the wrong signals. You know, not actually saying "my aunt''s maiden name is Mary", instead, when he starts with the whole "I feel a female presence, does the name Mary mean anything" respond with "My grandmother ..." and let HIM pick up with "yes, she says she's your grandmother". You're not actually lying here, HE is the one making the assumptions (after all, that's what his technique is really all about). With a bit of practice, anyone should be able to lead him on like that. Then comes the part where you wait for the show to air, and only then go to the media saying how John completely f**ked it up with your reading, how your grandmother isn't even dead, etc... I think that's probably the only way some skepticism is actually going to get air time. Even if you blow the whistle at the end of the taping of the show, they're just going to cut that out. After all, the network, the TV public, and especially JE himself, doesn't want any of the failiures to be shown. They want to be enthralled by fascinating, inexplicable, miraculous accuracy. The network will probably even edit readings so some of the losing streaks are not looking so bad any more. What you see on TV definitely isn't real.


Do you think they make them sign off on saying anything to outside media sources before they air the shows?
I'd be rather surprised if they didn't....

[Kochanski]

I believe he has lovely forms for people to sign before entering one of his broadcasts. Saw something about it some place.

[Mrs. Hmmphries]

I believe he has lovely forms for people to sign before entering one of his broadcasts. Saw something about it some place.



That's about what I expected.
One cannot be too careful when one is completely full of it.

[ChristineR]

I thought that they interviewed everyone before they actually get onto the TV show. Of course the info from the interviews is not shared with JE.:mad:

[Overman]

http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=52990

[articulett]

I think that if you expose John Edwards, people will rush to his defense--they'll say that you weren't "open enough"--your skeptical vibes ruined his communication radar...he can't be right all the time...he just gets (impressions--it's up to the "receivers" to find the relavence) etc. (He's a communicater not a soothsayer, afterall.)

I know of what I speak--I was once a woo. (Ha, I just imagined a support group where people stand up and confess that, they too, were once a woo--like alcaholics anonymous without the higher power thing)

[Kochanski]

Yes, I think we all know that his believers will rush to his defense and that they will have all sorts of justifications for any failure on his part because they want to believe and they need to believe.

For the most part I don't think anyone expects that we can get his true believers to stop believing. The hope is that we can open the eyes of some haven't quite been taken in by his schtick, yet. The other great hope is that we can get him off of tv so that he doesn't have the access to the large audience he can get there. Just the fact that he is on tv is enough for some people to accept that what he does must be real.

[supercorgi]

Stop banging your head and do something positive like email and/or post to the WE channel here: contactwe@we.tv and/or http://wespot.typepad.com/kathie/200...mment-14272958

If they can make our heads hurt at least we can return the favor :D
Yuck. I clicked on this link and almost vomited when it showed a pic of JE try in to look sexy and pensive. Ugh...I don't think I can ever eat food ever again -- talk about naseuting.. I'll send my contribution tomorrow.

[Kochanski]

Yuck. I clicked on this link and almost vomited when it showed a pic of JE try in to look sexy and pensive. Ugh...I don't think I can ever eat food ever again -- talk about naseuting.. I'll send my contribution tomorrow.

Yes, the picture creeps me out, too. Something very, ummm, like looking at a trap set by a serial killer or something. Definitely skin crawling, get me away from the pic as fast as I can go feeling.

[WanderinWTF]

What I don't get - and I mean REALLY don't get - is how people can't see that what he does is just another version of a magic trick.

When people watch a magician, I don't know a single one of them who thinks that the magician is actually doing something magical. We all know that what he is doing is somehow an illusion; we just don't know how. When David Copperfield makes an elephant disappear on stage, we can't figure out for the life of us how he made it happen, but we don't go around saying "I saw the elephant disappear, so he must have some sort of magical power, because how else could you explain it?" We just know that there was in illusion involved, a trick. Just because we can't figure out how the trick was done, doesn't mean we don't all know it was a trick.

Yet with JE and his ilk, people will say "I saw him do it, and I don't know how he could've done it, so he must really be talking to dead people." They can't make that leap that they do with magic and say "I saw him do it, and I don't know how he did it, but I know he's not really talking to dead people. Nice trick!"

This despite the fact that magicians and illusionists are the very people who invented the whole damn practice of cold reading and so on. This is so blatantly obvious that it defies the imagination how anybody couldn't "get" it.

Stupid people will just continue to be stupid, and networks like WE will continue to feed off of that stupidity with no regret and no remorse. Ick!
And shallow people will continue to be shallow. You know maybe this is your power to not be able to see how real he really is. There is no leaping there are a few things that connects the whole universe together when it comes to communicating.

[WanderinWTF]

The trick is not in debating him (and they'll just cut out whatever is most upsetting to the people watching), the trick is getting picked for a reading, and then giving him all the wrong signals. You know, not actually saying "my aunt''s maiden name is Mary", instead, when he starts with the whole "I feel a female presence, does the name Mary mean anything" respond with "My grandmother ..." and let HIM pick up with "yes, she says she's your grandmother". You're not actually lying here, HE is the one making the assumptions (after all, that's what his technique is really all about). With a bit of practice, anyone should be able to lead him on like that. Then comes the part where you wait for the show to air, and only then go to the media saying how John completely f**ked it up with your reading, how your grandmother isn't even dead, etc... I think that's probably the only way some skepticism is actually going to get air time. Even if you blow the whistle at the end of the taping of the show, they're just going to cut that out. After all, the network, the TV public, and especially JE himself, doesn't want any of the failiures to be shown. They want to be enthralled by fascinating, inexplicable, miraculous accuracy. The network will probably even edit readings so some of the losing streaks are not looking so bad any more. What you see on TV definitely isn't real.
im sure you could look at it and know the differance from from the real stuff to the regular tapwater i know i can

[articulett]

im sure you could look at it and know the differance from from the real stuff to the regular tapwater i know i can

Randi is much better than John Edwards--he's convinced masses of people of all sorts of things--just to then show them how they've fooled themselves. He could be far richer and more powerful than John Richards--I am amazed at what he can do--and I am all the more amazed that he uses it to enlighten and not to fool gullible people like you into giving him money, power, etc.

There is a reason JE needs to control the environment...there is a reason he won't be tested...You may wish to hang onto your silly beliefs, but you are preaching to the wrong choir here.

Live in the world a little longer and see how many John Edwards come and go--start collecting hits and misses of psychics and the like--see how much evidence (or lack thereof) such people accumulate in support of their claims--it's always anecdotal--woos like you exclaiming upon their glory.
Randi has exposed them again and again and again--and still the desparate need to believe that someone has magic powers and can get them goodies from on high.

While 0 evidence accumulates for things that don't work--technology surges ahead. 20 years ago there was another group of John Edwards types--it was all the same B.S. But there was no internet. DNA was in it's infancy and was't used in forensics (except for some very basic typing) and you didn't have the opportunity to learn all of the ways that Randi has discredited these folks and done what they do only better. You have that opportunity now--and it's all widely published on the web. Go take advantage of the advances science has made possible and get your head out of the clouds.

There's much to enjoy on this planet when you are not stuck on communicating with supposed souls (which don't exist) in a supposed afterlife (which doesn't exist). Despite eons of such claims, there is no evidence in support of such notions.

I wish I'd had someone prodding me in that direction when I was as naive as you.

[Ladewig]

There is a reason JE needs to control the environment...there is a reason he won't be tested...



He has never been tested by the JREF, but he has been tested by Dr. Gary Schwartz. However, you are bang on about controlling the environment. Here is a photo of him cheating during the test. http://www.randi.org/jr/091903.html I wonder if the folks at WE are aware of this other instance of Edward's documented cheating?

[Azrael 5]

Saw a bit of Crossing Over today and it was the one on one session.Anyway this bloke,call him Bob can't remember his real name,asks Edwards all kinds of question before they get going.What is it like crossing over,do spirits tell JE;where does God fit into it all,do we meet him on the other side etc.
Announcer at end of programme"Bob didnt recieve any messages in his sitting.."
I can imagine JE probably thought he would get too many questions if he started!! Funny.

[scotth]

It would appear that WE has removed the John Edward discussion topic.

If anyone finds it in a new location, please post it here.

[Kochanski]

It is gone as far as I can tell. I guess with the show coming up on Friday, they don't want all our logic confusing the punters :p

[exarch]

It is gone as far as I can tell. I guess with the show coming up on Friday, they don't want all our logic confusing the punters :p
Good thing I saved the web page every time I made a comment :D :D :D

(Who knew my experience over at the homeopathy forums would ever come in useful :p)

If you want a copy, let me know ...
Maybe, if I have time this weekend, I'll clean up the HTML code (remove banners and ads) and host it.

[Mrs. Hmmphries]

Ooooh, sweet, I'd love a copy.

[AmyWilson]

I watched John Edward's new show on WE when getting home from work tonight. He was good. :) :p What a nice, cute, down-to-earth, honest, caring guy. There was about 2,000 people in the auditorium where he was on stage giving readings. You know John Edward makes good money.

[exarch]

I watched John Edward's new show on WE when getting home from work tonight. He was good. :) :p What a nice, cute, down-to-earth, honest, caring guy. There was about 2,000 people in the auditorium where he was on stage giving readings. You know John Edward makes good money.
Correction, John Edward makes "loads" of money, but I wouldn't call it good money. It's dirty money, made by scamming people, by making them suffer and cry. That evil bastard.

[AmyWilson]

John Edward makes "loads" of money, dirty money, made by scamming people, by making them suffer and cry. That evil bastard.

Maybe so, but he's still hot. :p When you're good-looking in this world, you can get away with anything. :)



http://www.onlineseats.com/upload/concerts/51_con_edward1.jpg


Just look at that smile. I'd hit it. :) :p

[Kochanski]

Maybe so, but he's still hot. :p When you're good-looking in this world, you can get away with anything. :)

removed slimy pic of JE don't need to be sick

Just look at that smile. I'd hit it. :) :p

Hot is a relative term. I would call him creepy, slimy, scaly, unctuous and patronizing, none of which I consider attractive. For those of us NOT from the shallow end of the gene pool, looks mean diddy and squat. They are merely there to trap the unsuspecting.

Amy you will not get far on this board by discussing the relative merits of individual cuteness, NO one here cares about that. If that is all you want to to his little fans sites and moon with the rest of the shallow and deluded.

[scotth]

Just look at that smile. I'd hit it. :) :p

So would I.... but I doubt I mean it the same way.

[Mrs. Hmmphries]

Maybe so, but he's still hot. :p When you're good-looking in this world, you can get away with anything. :)



http://www.onlineseats.com/upload/concerts/51_con_edward1.jpg


Just look at that smile. I'd hit it. :) :p


Gaaaaaaaah.
Somebody get me a bucket.l

[scotth]

Gaaaaaaaah.
Somebody get me a bucket.l

Did ya have to go and quote the picture, too? Wasn't it on the page enough after just once?

Edit to add: Yuk! Yuk! So that madmonk won't think I am really bitching at 'em.

[Kelly]

When I look at a person who does things like what he does, (make money off grieving and/or ignorant people) I don't see what others do in terms of an appealing physical presence. I see UGLY to the core.

[Mrs. Hmmphries]

Did ya have to go and quote the picture, too? Wasn't it on the page enough after just once?

Edit to add: Yuk! Yuk! So that madmonk won't think I am really bitching at 'em.


At her, please.

[scotth]

Sorry.

To clarify though.... 'em isn't short for him.... but rather them. Completely incorrect English, but commonly used like that as a gender neutral substitute for him, her, and them in Texas.

Actually, I don't know that 'em is short for them, that is just my assumption. I was just trying to type like it is freqently spoken here. No offense meant, and I wasn't trying to suggest you were male.

[The_Fire]

Amy, JE is a CONARTIST!
He, and so many other like him, prey on people who are at their lowest. And why? To help them? No, he wants to make money.
Thats right Amy, its about MONEY!

Ask yourself: If a dead person wants to get a message across, and manages to do so rather elequently once the target person have been found, how come the same clarity doesn't extend to names?
How come that people like JE have to waver arround before they find the right name?
And that's just the start.

Unfortunately you seem to have fallen for the cardealers trick that ALL of these idiots are using: If you look sincere enough and tell people what they want to hear, then it doesn't matter that you are lying your ass off.

You can't judge a person merely on looks or behavious, heck even Hitler were often described by people whom met him socially as a "plesant" person, but there have to be true, honest to the deities talent to back it all up and quiet frankly that shark-about-to-eat-my-wallet smile of his would impress me a lot more if JE was actually capable of putting his money where his mouth is.

ETA: Spelling hickup.

And ETA: On the other hand, I know what to put on my dartboard when it needs to be redressed....

[Mrs. Hmmphries]

Sorry.

To clarify though.... 'em isn't short for him.... but rather them. Completely incorrect English, but commonly used like that as a gender neutral substitute for him, her, and them in Texas.

Actually, I don't know that 'em is short for them, that is just my assumption. I was just trying to type like it is freqently spoken here. No offense meant, and I wasn't trying to suggest you were male.


Ooooh, are you in Texas?
I drove thru there once and stopped at the tallest cross in the western hemisphere.
I love pointless roadside attractions!

By the way, no offense was taken.
The screen name always gets me mistaken for a boy, tho.
I've just gotten used to pointing my gender out.

Bad on me.


In other news, JE is a smarm-factory.

[scotth]

The screen name always gets me mistaken for a boy, tho.
I've just gotten used to pointing my gender out.


I would think your icon/avatar would maybe hint otherwise.

[exarch]

Maybe so, but he's still hot. :p When you're good-looking in this world, you can get away with anything.
That's just sad? And to think there's all these good-looking skeptics unable to find nice women, and you're about to hop into bed with the spawn of Satan just because he's cute? :boggled:
And what's more, these skeptics are actually intelligent, and generallt nice guys, while JE, well, you know, evil sonofabitch ...

[alfaniner]

I caught a couple minutes of this last night, about all I could take because I was getting too riled up before going to bed.

I came in right as he was doing a reading, but since no one took the bait he said it was for his own cameraman! And that it was so unusual!! He must have forgotten that the last time he had a contact for a cameraman he was shown to be a liar...

There was some maudlin stuff about his dad passing, then JE asked "Are you a dad?" The guy said yes, and JE comes back with "because they are telling me to acknowledge that you are a dad." He does it artfully so he makes it look like the cameraman interrupted him before he could finish his thought, like that's what he was going to say all along. At that point I had to turn it off or risk throwing my remote at the TV.

OK, I'm going to take some segment and analyze it. I can't let this go any more.

[AmyWilson]

Amy, JE is a CONARTIST!
He, and so many other like him, prey on people who are at their lowest. And why? To help them? No, he wants to make money.
Thats right Amy, its about MONEY!


Prove it.

[articulett]

Prove it.

Amy...I'm getting a message...I see a G...could it be your grandmother? She wants me to tell you that John Edwards is...G...g...ga...gay! Liberace's ghost concurs.

No, Amy, no one can prove that JE is a fraud because people like you want to believe desparately. Remember no one can prove that Santa is a fraud...no one can prove there is no such thing as fairies...But we can point out that people believe a lot of things that simply aren't true.

We can also say, that for all the years people claim to believe in souls--there is no testable evidence to measure whether souls even exist. They can't seem to ask specific questions like what the social security number of a dead person was...and most of the stories seem based on "anecdote" and are about as credible as "abducted by alien stories". The statement JE makes aren't miraculous...the people imbue them with meaning and then they air those poignant moments. Embarrassingly, I believed in "channelers" when I was young. I guess I was just super trusting and wanted to believe. It just didn't occur to me that these people could be deluded or deceptive. What can you expect from a kid raised to believe in souls, heaven, hell, and the stupid notion that higher truths come from "feelings" and "faith"? I forgive my own stupidity--but you can learn from my mistakes.

Humans have shown a huge capacity for fooling themselves. There is so much evidence of this all throughout history. Science has given true knowledge and corrected our silly misperceptions--through evidence. It's how we know that the earth is spherical and not flat as it appears. There is evidence...measurable evidence for gravity, infrared, radioactivity, etc. These ideas are as "invisible" and, at one time, they seemed as unlikely as dead people who communicate--but the evidence accumulated and we've utilized our knowledge with fantastic results-- the soul "theory" hasn't accumulated any evidence in eons of belief. It's time to admit it is an illusion--an illusion that makes believers susceptible to all kinds of manipulation by others from preachers to channelers who say they talk to the dead.

Your naivte only hurts you. People have been trying to help you think your way out of your gullibility...but you've got to start asking some questions yourself or your stuck in the land of the dumb. I wish I had someone to prod me with such questions and information when I was young. I like the real world much better than the mystical, mysterious, magical one I invented in my mind.

[AmyWilson]

You guys' take this website too seriously. :) All I said was prove it.

It's true.

[Ladewig]

prove it


You asked for proof that JE is a cheat. Here is a photo John Edward cheating during a test (http://www.randi.org/jr/091903.html).

[Kochanski]

You guys' take this website too seriously. :) All I said was prove it.

It's true.

Amy we take this seriously because it is serious. There are vulnerable people out there who have experienced great loss who are being taken advantage of by a fraud who cares for nothing besides increasing his own wealth. There are too many people taken in by his act because they want to believe, because they need to believe and as long as no one calls him on it, he will continue to dupe and take advantage of people. This is something that none of us can abide.

And since most people here understand precisely what cold reading is (by the way, it is NOT how JE describes it) so we have sufficient evidence that what he does can be done WITHOUT any purported contact with "the other side".

Since he is the one claiming what he does is real, he is the one that needs to prove that it is something other than cold reading. And not by continuing to refer to Gary Schwartz's experiments which are a joke. He needs to be tested in a way that will rule out other ways for him to do what he claims. He needs to be tested in ways where "hit" and "miss" are clearly defined and tracked.

And you need to respect the serious nature of fraud, especially when it involves taking advantage of fragile, vulnerable people who need real help.

[The_Fire]

Prove it.

Wrong. It is not up to me to prove anything. You claim that JE are a real psychic. The burden of proof falls to you.

While we are waiting, I believe these links should be of interest....

http://www.re-quest.net/entertainment/movies-and-tv/tv/john-edward/
http://www.valleyskeptic.com/skeptic_edward.html
http://www.cosmik.com/aa-september01/michael_shermer.html

[Cowboy Tim]

This guy just doesn't quit, does he.

Think I'll click on the "Win a Private Reading with John!" button. NOT.

[alfaniner]

OK, I taped Wednesday night's, which was apparently a rerun of the first one. Anyone interested in my doing an analysis of a segment?

[supercorgi]

I finally saw South Park's "Biggest Douche in the Universe" episode last night. Laughed my guts out! They skewered Edward perfectly. And I thought they gave an excellent explaination and demonstration of cold reading - and like so often happens, the audience couldn't accept that Stan was faking his reading and insisted that he could talk to the dead. Some people have such a need to believe that even when you show them the truth, they'll reject it in favor of belief. :(

[JM85]

Saw it a few times. Not as good as Crossing Over.

[supercorgi]

Saw it a few times. Not as good as Crossing Over.
If you mean in terms of comedy and sheer absurdness -- then I'd have to agree with you!

[JM85]

No I was a big fan of CO. It was one of my favorite shows.

[SPQR]

Well, I think it's official that he's the "Biggest Douche In The Universe."
I know this may seem random, but your MST3K quote jumped out at me. I am a recent member of the JREF Forum and I would like to know how you get those interesting quotes printed at the bottom of your posts?:confused: You know, under that little line thingy?

Any resonse would be appreciated.

[alfaniner]

It is a Signature. You may need a certain number of posts. You do need a certain number for an avatar. Look in your profile or under Forum Help.

[AmyWilson]

Amy, JE is a CONARTIST!
He, and so many other like him, prey on people who are at their lowest. And why? To help them? No, he wants to make money.
Thats right Amy, its about MONEY!


You're wrong.

[case sensitive]

You're wrong.

Do you know how long his seance's are? And how long are those
shows of his? What is lost Amy? The hits? Or maybe the misses? Well
think about it. If you guess and don't count when you are wrong... what are you then? Right? Right...

[The_Fire]

You're wrong.

Prove it!

[exarch]

You're wrong.
This is how I predict this will go:

AW: You're wrong;
TF: Am not.
AW: Are too!
TF: Am not!
AW: I'm bored, I'll go start a new thread now ...

[Overman]

http://www.we.tv/

His new show is called "Cross Country" and he travels to different parts of the country to do his shtick.

and once more, the candle gutters and goes out as superstition and wow-woo make advances.


"Lifetime, Television for Idiots..."

-Family Guy joke that made me crack up.

[The_Fire]

This is how I predict this will go:

AW: You're wrong;
TF: Am not.
AW: Are too!
TF: Am not!
AW: I'm bored, I'll go start a new thread now ...

And TF will continue to "stalk" AW untill TF gets the evidence/answers AW wants to dodge providing.....;)