Kramer is no longer handling the challenge.

[Jeff Wagg]

Kramer is now pursuing other opportunities, and is no longer associated with the JREF.

We thank him for handling the challenge these past years, and wish him well in his new endeavors.

There will be a delay in processing new challenge applications while we adjust to recent changes. Please continue to use challenge@randi.org for all challenge related correspondence.

[alfaniner]

So long, Kramer. And thanks for all the fish!

[Overman]

Kramer Check out my Band Overman before you go!!!!!

www.overman.info!

[Almo]

We'll miss you KRAMER. You kicked ass.

[Nucular]

So farewell Kramer.

I enjoyed your propensity to become rapidly irked, and the forthright manner with which you communicated that irkedness.

Not that you were irked without reason, of course.

I for one think you did a great job... time now perhaps for a different approach? A softer hand, a kinder voice? I hear Shemp's applied.

Best of luck in whatever you do Kramer - I'm sure many here would love you to join back in as a 'civvie' on the board :)

[Beth]

Best of luck in whatever you do Kramer - I'm sure many here would love you to join back in as a 'civvie' on the board :)

I'll second that!

[Spidey13]

Thanks for the all the laughs and a job well done, Kramer. You'll be missed.

[Complexity]

Thanks, Kramer!

Ya done good.

[delphi_ote]

How sad. We'll miss you, Kramer. Wherever you go and whatever you do, you'll always have friends and fans in the JREF.

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

Thanks for all the work you've put in to JREF. Best luck in your future endeavors.

[Basilio]

Thanks too. Your replies were one of the first things I would check on my visits to the forum. Your forthright and wit will be hard to replace.

[Ducky]

Kramer:

I am sad to see you go, however, I wish you well and success in all your endeavors.

I am sad to see you go.

[drkitten]

Rock on, Kramer. Ya done good -- and best of luck to you.

[Belz...]

We'll miss you KRAMER. You kicked ass.

What he said.

ETA: Oh, and come and visit the forums once in a while.

[drfrank]

Yep, replacing Kramer is going to be hard - I hope his successor reads through all the old correspondence to try and learn the correct balance for communicating with the applicants.

On the other hand, this does mean that Kramer could theoretically start posting on the forums again. :)

Or has constantly communicating with loons beaten all the active skepticism out of him?

[Doubt]

So Kramer decided to quit dealing with the loons who apply for the challange and start dealing with the loons who run the music industry again?

[JPK]

Kramer, you will be missed. I also hope you join us on the forum again.

[prewitt81]

Hope to see you posting in the forums again soon!

[LordoftheLeftHand]

I'm sorry to see Kramer go. The challenge section of the forum is my favorite part. Even when I don't have time to check out the rest of the forum, I always read the challenge section.

LLH

[Metullus]

So long, Kramer. The Challenge won't be the same without you. Drop by, will ya?

[kalen]

Kramer, your Challenge updates were a hoot! They're worth a million bucks right there. Anyway, before you can leave, we'll need 3 sworn affidavits ....

[ohms]

Best of luck Kramer. I hope we see you post from time to time :)

[Ashles]

If this means we get to have more direct contact with Kramer on the forums then that's great.

But if it means Kramer is just off then that's just sad.

Either way I look forward to seeing who will be the next challenge administrator. Good luck to them.

[eri]

Good luck, Kramer! We'll miss your wit. But I imagine you're sick of it by now. If you weren't within a day or so of starting. We can only imagine.

[Gayle]

I am so sorry to see KRAMER go. He handled the Challenge with style and grace, and a lot of humor. I like him because he's sassy and smart and funny, and deeply kind underneath all the sass.

He was one of the main reasons I participated in the JREF forums.

Gayle

[Blackwell]

Good luck in whatever you move on to, KRAMER. You did a great job while you were here.
Now please come back to the forums!

[Beleth]

Farewell, KRAMER. Yeah, we had our run-ins, but you did a difficult job remarkably well.


So Jeff -
Who should interested people send their resumes to?!

[Hindmost]

Thanks Kramer...keep in touch with the forums.

glenn:boxedin: my resume is ready.

[logical muse]

Kram'er? I 'ardly knew 'er!

[Gayle]

Kram'er? I 'ardly knew 'er!

'im. Ye 'ardly knew 'im!

Also, Jeff made an error when he thanked KRAMER for handling the Challenge Desk for the past year. It was at least TWO years.

[Jeff Wagg]

'im. Ye 'ardly knew 'im!

Also, Jeff made an error when he thanked KRAMER for handling the Challenge Desk for the past year. It was at least TWO years.

That's the figure I was given. I just started in August. He's certainly been around longer than a year, but I'm not sure in what capacity.

Anyway, I'm sorry to see him go.

[T'ai Chi]

He had enthusiasm.

[RSLancastr]

Kramer, as i said when I met you at TAM4, thanks for all you've done for the JREF.

Good luck in whatever is next for you.

[Pinocchio]

Am I the only one who's wondering WHY Kramer is no longer with JREF all of a sudden? Something must have happened... Rather unexpected, the whole thing. An answer wouldn't hurt.:o

[Nucular]

Am I the only one who's wondering WHY Kramer is no longer with JREF all of a sudden? Something must have happened... Rather unexpected, the whole thing. An answer wouldn't hurt.:o
No, I kind of wonder too. Although it's not necessarily the case that something must have happened (other than Kramer getting a better job offer, or needing to move, or getting bored or whatever).

I also wonder where he's gone off to - anything related?

[ruach1]

That's the figure I was given. I just started in August. He's certainly been around longer than a year, but I'm not sure in what capacity.

Anyway, I'm sorry to see him go.
KRAMER started dealing with Challenge correspondence in March of 2004. So its a little under two years.

[delphi_ote]

I also wonder where he's gone off to - anything related?

Aside from being a psychiatrist or managing an insane asylum, what job could possibly be related?

[Gr8wight]

Kram'er? I 'ardly knew 'er!

'im. Ye 'ardly knew 'im!

Also, Jeff made an error when he thanked KRAMER for handling the Challenge Desk for the past year. It was at least TWO years.

I think you missed the joke, Gayle...

Kramer will be missed, though. He had really come around to a great place in his dealings with applicants. I hope his replacement is as animated.

[ruach1]

No, I kind of wonder too. Although it's not necessarily the case that something must have happened (other than Kramer getting a better job offer, or needing to move, or getting bored or whatever).

I also wonder where he's gone off to - anything related?
I wonder as well. Randi being in the hospital. KRAMER leaving. I don't think this is a simple matter of putting two and two together. Either way, it seems to be a dark time for the JREF. :(

[Ducky]

Aside from being a psychiatrist or managing an insane asylum, what job could possibly be related?



Organizing sh*t fights between the monkeys at the zoo?

I suspect he may focus on his music more. Whatever the reason and wherever he goes, I wish him well. It was an honor to meet him at TAM.

[HeyLeroy]

Sorry to see you go, KRAMER. But at least you can get back to posting, yes?

[Paul2]

I have to add my voice to the overwhelming consensus:

Thanks a lot, Kramer: you were human and rational at the same time, a neat trick.

[delphi_ote]

I suspect he may focus on his music more.

That was my first thought as well... which would really be exciting. Sign me up as a fan!

I just hope he'll still be around, though. Every time I walked past him at TAM, he had a smile and a nod. When a mic was missing, he always rushed to get it to the right place. He was just an absolute gentleman the whole time.

Right, fowl?

[Flange Desire]

Thanks for all your efforts Kramer, and also for your wit.
Hope to see a post from you in the future.

[Gayle]

I think you missed the joke, Gayle...

Gr8wight, that's probably the truest thing ever posted in this forum. I miss the joke all the time. I think it's a birth defect or something. But even I found KRAMER hilarious. I got his humor and I will really miss it here in the forums.

[Gr8wight]

Gr8wight, that's probably the truest thing ever posted in this forum. I miss the joke all the time. I think it's a birth defect or something. But even I found KRAMER hilarious. I got his humor and I will really miss it here in the forums.

Agreed.

And the joke referenced by Richard is the one that goes, "rectum? Nearly killed 'im!"

[Gayle]

...the joke referenced ...

Oh.

[dogjones]

I miss the joke all the time.

That's nothing to be ashamed of. Your positronic brain is superior to ours in many ways - and of course, you are also blessed with curiosity.

[LostAngeles]

Kramer, y'bastard...

I'm probably the sole applicant sorry to see you go.

Does this mean you can play in the sandbox with the rest of us again?

[Rasmus]

Am I the only one who's wondering WHY Kramer is no longer with JREF all of a sudden? Something must have happened...

one more applicant, maybe? My guess is, that that would be enough to drive anyone away from a job like that - and often sooner than after two years.

So, a late goodbye from me, too.

Rasmus.

[CFLarsen]

I'm probably the sole applicant sorry to see you go.

Oh? What was your paranormal claim? :)

[Tony4245]

Organizing sh*t fights between the monkeys at the zoo?

Probably ... after dealing with the Challenge, that'll be a piece of cake.

Best of luck, Kramer - yer a classy kinda guy, ya know?
:)

[Gr8wight]

one more applicant, maybe? My guess is, that that would be enough to drive anyone away from a job like that - and often sooner than after two years.

Yes, I would expect the job to have a high turnover. Straight-forward, and eager to be tested applicants like Achau Nguyen and Angela Patel are few and far between. Dealing with the rest of the loonies, and scam artists on a day-to-day basis must wear on a person. Perhaps the JREF could consider having the job rotate among two or three people who perform other tasks within the organisation. Three months on, and someone else takes over. Of course, I don't know how many full time employees the JREF actually has. This suggestion might be unworkable.

[Ian Osborne]

Seems very sudden, though.

Sorry to see you go, Kramer, and I hope you stick around on the boards.

[gruk]

Oh? What was your paranormal claim? :)

Doing a comparative test of some audiophool "make CDs sound better", I think.

[Gayle]

This is really starting to bug me. I regret that people have been speculating about KRAMER, both publicly and in PMs. The private speculation makes me wonder about people!

I'd be shocked to find that anyone actually thinks Kramer would jump ship during a crisis, or even accuse him of that. I shared an extensive correspondence with Kramer, and his absolute loyalty and affection for Randi and skeptical causes came through loud and clear at all times.

That correspondence, along with his daily updates in the challenge section of the forum, came to an abrupt halt on Wednesday, Feb. 8th, only 5 days after Randi's heart attack. I've had no response from him to my emails since that date, and he usually wrote back to me within hours, so I think it's reasonable to assume that his association with the JREF ceased on that day. His last post gave no indication that anything was amiss.

Then he was just gone. Two weeks later, the JREF announces that he is "pursuing other opportunities".

Does anyone here actually believe that Kramer would quit while Randi was so sick?

Something is rotten in Denmark.

KRAMER toiled away tirelessly in a thankless job, carrying on daily correspondences with people who were, by and large, mentally ill. I don't know anyone who could do that for as long as he did. I also know for a fact that he was threatened repeatedly by more than just a few applicants, and that a couple of them made a real and lasting negative impact on his life. He definitely spent the last few months looking over his shoulder. The only reason he kept at it day after day, was for Randi. He loves the man. I think he'd take a bullet for him. Literally.

I'd really like to know. Did Kramer quit? If not, does Randi even know he's gone?

Maybe this is none of our business, but then again...

Maybe forum members aren't automatically entitled to know what really happened. But I think that JREF members and contributors deserve the truth, and the implication in Jeff Wagg's posting is that Kramer left the JREF. I just can't believe he would do that to Randi during a major crisis. To imply it, even inadvertently, is disrespectful to both KRAMER and Randi.

Bottom line: KRAMER loves Randi. Go ahead a be skeptical of everything ... but not that.

Let's hear the truth. It's what the JREF stands for, and it's important now, more than ever.

Gayle

[Jeff Wagg]

This is really starting to bug me. I regret that people have been speculating about KRAMER, both publicly and in PMs. The private speculation makes me wonder about people!

I'd be shocked to find that anyone actually thinks Kramer would jump ship during a crisis, or even accuse him of that. I shared an extensive correspondence with Kramer, and his absolute loyalty and affection for Randi and skeptical causes came through loud and clear at all times.

That correspondence, along with his daily updates in the challenge section of the forum, came to an abrupt halt on Wednesday, Feb. 8th, only 5 days after Randi's heart attack. I've had no response from him to my emails since that date, and he usually wrote back to me within hours, so I think it's reasonable to assume that his association with the JREF ceased on that day. His last post gave no indication that anything was amiss.

Then he was just gone. Two weeks later, the JREF announces that he is "pursuing other opportunities".

Does anyone here actually believe that Kramer would quit while Randi was so sick?

Something is rotten in Denmark.

KRAMER toiled away tirelessly in a thankless job, carrying on daily correspondences with people who were, by and large, mentally ill. I don't know anyone who could do that for as long as he did. I also know for a fact that he was threatened repeatedly by more than just a few applicants, and that a couple of them made a real and lasting negative impact on his life. He definitely spent the last few months looking over his shoulder. The only reason he kept at it day after day, was for Randi. He loves the man. I think he'd take a bullet for him. Literally.

I'd really like to know. Did Kramer quit? If not, does Randi even know he's gone?

Maybe this is none of our business, but then again...

Maybe forum members aren't automatically entitled to know what really happened. But I think that JREF members and contributors deserve the truth, and the implication in Jeff Wagg's posting is that Kramer left the JREF. I just can't believe he would do that to Randi during a major crisis. To imply it, even inadvertently, is disrespectful to both KRAMER and Randi.

Bottom line: KRAMER loves Randi. Go ahead a be skeptical of everything ... but not that.

Let's hear the truth. It's what the JREF stands for, and it's important now, more than ever.

Gayle

This is a private matter between the JREF and Kramer, and I respectfully request that people stop speculating over the reasons behind Kramer's departure. Please respect our wishes to keep this matter private.

Rest assured that any implication that Kramer "jumped ship while Randi needed him" is completely unfounded and untrue. Kramer has visited Randi in the hospital often. I agree with Gayle that Kramer holds Randi in the highest regard. I've never seen anything to suggest otherwise.

[CFLarsen]

Doing a comparative test of some audiophool "make CDs sound better", I think.
She said she was the applicant.

So, LA, what's the deal here? CONFESS! CONFESS!

[delphi_ote]

People are getting their jollies gossiping about such nasty things at a time like this? I'm very disappointed in this community.

[Jeff Wagg]

People are getting their jollies gossiping about such nasty things at a time like this? I'm very disappointed in this community.

Don't be too put off..it's a normal thing lfor intelligent people to speculate. It only becomes a problem when the guesses look like facts to others.

This is why I'm requesting that the speculation end.

[timokay]

Good luck to you Kramer.

[Gayle]

Rest assured that any implication that Kramer "jumped ship while Randi needed him" is completely unfounded and untrue. Kramer has visited Randi in the hospital often. I agree with Gayle that Kramer holds Randi in the highest regard. I've never seen anything to suggest otherwise.


So Kramer didn't quit. That's all I was asking, and that's all I wanted to know. I agree with Jeff that the reasons behind the JREF's decision are none of our business.

It only becomes a problem when the guesses look like facts to others.

That's the danger. If a guess is repeated by enough people it begins to look like a fact (an idea that skeptics fight constantly.) The fact is that KRAMER's loyalty to Randi is deep and unbroken. Guesses to the contrary do not serve us well.

[delphi_ote]

This is why I'm requesting that the speculation end.

With the two big recent shake ups at the JREF, following that request is the least we could all do.

[KnotKnitWit]

I'm sorry to see Kramer go. The challenge section of the forum is my favorite part. Even when I don't have time to check out the rest of the forum, I always read the challenge section.

LLH
Word.

This is miserable news. Kramer, I wish you all the best in whatever you choose to do but do know that I'll really, really miss you. Your successor will have some incredibly big shoes to fill.

[Steven Howard]

She said she was the applicant.

So, LA, what's the deal here? CONFESS! CONFESS!

http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=38788

[CFLarsen]

Thanks.

"The Ear Wax Queen"....teeheehee....

[CFLarsen]

Also, I applied for the Randi Challenge to have myself tested under DBT conditions. This excercise proved unfruitful as we were never able to negotiate an acceptable protocol. My take on the matter is that they weren't terribly interested in seeing me get to testing given their shenanigans. They have recruited their own test candidate, Deja Gateward, to test the GSIC later this month. She is not an audiophile nor is she a GSIC enthusiast.
Source (http://www.audioasylum.com/scripts/t.pl?f=prophead&m=12467)

"She is not a believer, so she will never be able to tell the difference".

Sheesh, don't these people realize how idiotic their excuses sound?

[Belz...]

Yep, replacing Kramer is going to be hard - I hope his successor reads through all the old correspondence to try and learn the correct balance for communicating with the applicants.

He did seem to have just the right balance of politeness and "no-nonsense, in-your-face, give us a break" attitude.

[Gayle]

I did finally make connections with KRAMER and told him we were talking about him behind his back. It's safe to say he appreciates the kind words people have had for him. Dang, I'm gonna miss him at the Challenge Desk.


Gayle

[tkingdoll]

I'll very much miss Kramer's challenge posts, they were my first port of call when visiting the forum.

Also, he was exceptionally kind to me and GazaSuitThing at TAM, for which we will forever be grateful.

Good luck Kramer!

[LostAngeles]

She said she was the applicant.

So, LA, what's the deal here? CONFESS! CONFESS!

For the record, at the time of this second demand, I was busy brailling.

Also, your questions was answered. I stepped in to take the place of the original GSIC applicant after negotiations collapsed.

ETA: So yeah, I realize I'm still squidgy about my name being public. But I still went ahead and did it (the challenge).

One thing, though: My name does not go outside of this section of the forum or in any public communication please?

Thanks.

[The Central Scrutinizer]

For the record, at the time of this second demand, I was busy brailling.

Also, your questions was answered. I stepped in to take the place of the original GSIC applicant after negotiations collapsed.

ETA: So yeah, I realize I'm still squidgy about my name being public. But I still went ahead and did it (the challenge).

One thing, though: My name does not go outside of this section of the forum or in any public communication please?

Thanks.

I already know your name. It's Lost Angeles.

[Roadtoad]

No speculation. Just undying thanks for his efforts to help the JREF.

Here's to you, Amigo. Hopefully, you'll be posting with us, and we'll get to hear of your continued successes in your new gig. Thanks, Kramer.

[Gr8wight]

So Kramer didn't quit. That's all I was asking, and that's all I wanted to know.

Gayle, you have jumped to a conclusion based on flimsy circumstantial evidence. As a member of a skeptical forum, it ill behooves you to do so. It ill behooves us all to speculate over it. Kramer worked for the JREF. Kramer no longer works for the JREF. That is all the information the JREF is required to give. In fact, that is probably all the information the JREF is legally entitled to give. Anything further would have to come directly from Kramer. If Kramer chooses to keep that information to himself, that is entirely his perogative. Everyone here should consider their own job, and think about how widely broadcast they would like the details of their cessation of employment to be.

"Kramer, we'll miss you, lad. We'd all love to hear from you, but if you choose to make a clean break, we'll all understand." Understand?

[Ducky]

I agree with Gr8wight.

Kramer has repeatedly proven his devotion and support of both Randi and the JREF. Whatever the reason for his leaving, it most likely is nothing of consequence, and speculating that his support is anything less than complete is just catty gossip.

Kramer: Good luck, be well and don't be a stranger. We love you much, and hope whatever your next endeavor, you are happy and prosperous.

[LostAngeles]

I already know your name. It's Lost Angeles.

But to you m'dear, just Lost will do nicely.

Claus, it's Ms. Angeles to you.

[CFLarsen]

Claus, it's Ms. Angeles to you.

But of course, m'dear lady...(bows, swings hat-with-feather)

[Ian Osborne]

Gayle, you have jumped to a conclusion based on flimsy circumstantial evidence. As a member of a skeptical forum, it ill behooves you to do so.

I don't think anyone jumped to a conclusion - people merely asked what had happened, based on the suddenness of his departure and Jeff's rather terse 'no longer associated with JREF' announcement.

We should probably stop speculating now, but I for one am glad Jeff cleared things up by pointing out Kramer is still in touch with Randi and there's been no falling out.

[MRC_Hans]

Uhh, the way I understood it, Kramer stayed at he JREF as an intern. Presumably, his internship is simply over, and he has moved on in his education. Let's face it: The JREF is hardly the greatest carreer oportunity for a young man.

Hans

[Kopji]

I admired Kramer's dedication and sense of humor and wish him the best.

[Roadtoad]

Well, (please forgive me for this), Kramer's not exactly a young dude. He's an older fart like some of the rest of us. A classy older fart, but still, an older fart.

[gruk]

She said she was the applicant.

So, LA, what's the deal here? CONFESS! CONFESS!

Well, the original applicant backed out, so LostAngeles applied and went through with the test, not passing the preliminary.

[delphi_ote]

The JREF is hardly the greatest carreer oportunity for a young man.

Unless that young man's resume includes "real psychic."

[CFLarsen]

Well, the original applicant backed out, so LostAngeles applied and went through with the test, not passing the preliminary.
I knew she had no paranormal powers. That voodoo doll of me that she keeps doesn't w...OUCH!!!

OUCH!!!!

[Gayle]

All I wanted to do was stop the poisonous speculation, especially the stuff going on privately. Geez! Jeff has set the record straight. Kramer's not old, but he's not a kid. He's forty-something. He worked for the JREF, at a non-profit salary, for the love of James Randi and skepticism. Respect, admiration and love for The Amazing One and skeptical causes form the cornerstone of why many of us are here.

[KnotKnitWit]

I don't think anyone jumped to a conclusion - people merely asked what had happened, based on the suddenness of his departure and Jeff's rather terse 'no longer associated with JREF' announcement.
I must admit that it was that announcement, and the form it took, that made me say 'WTF?'

We should probably stop speculating now, but I for one am glad Jeff cleared things up by pointing out Kramer is still in touch with Randi and there's been no falling out.
I agree. Speculation helps no one. I'm just glad that so many people realize how much Kramer brought to JREF and are happy to say so.

I'm one of them.

[KnotKnitWit]

Well, (please forgive me for this), Kramer's not exactly a young dude. He's an older fart like some of the rest of us. A classy older fart, but still, an older fart.
As an older fart, I'm tickled to read this. But, didn't someone say that he has a young baby? Maybe he's just a healthy, classy older fart.

[KnotKnitWit]

All I wanted to do was stop the poisonous speculation, especially the stuff going on privately. Geez! Jeff has set the record straight. Kramer's not old, but he's not a kid. He's forty-something.
Well, that burst my bubble. My definition of 'older fart' is about 20 years more along than Kramer's reached. He's still classy and healthy.

He worked for the JREF, at a non-profit salary, for the love of James Randi and skepticism. Respect, admiration and love for The Amazing One and skeptical causes form the cornerstone of why many of us are here.
Word-wordity-word-word!

[alfaniner]

Personally, I think Kramer and Randi are the same person. The timing is just too coincidental. And has anyone ever seen them in the same room together?

(Ok, maybe you have, but Randi is a magician, after all!)

[Gayle]

Kramer's baby -- the one he's holding on the homepage of his site -- is now a teenager. And Kramer wasn't an intern. He volunteered his time for several months and then became an employee. He's called his work for Randi and skepicism the most important thing he's ever done. That's impressive, coming as it does from the guy who was named Rolling Stone's music producer of the year for 1994.

[Gr8wight]

Kramer's baby -- the one he's holding on the homepage of his site -- is now a teenager. And Kramer wasn't an intern. He volunteered his time for several months and then became an employee. He's called his work for Randi and skepicism the most important thing he's ever done. That's impressive, coming as it does from the guy who was named Rolling Stone's music producer of the year for 1994.

I don't believe I know Kramer's website. Could you help a poor guy out with a link, Gayle? Thanks a bunch.

[prewitt81]

http://www.kramershimmy.com

[Nucular]

Wow, I had no clue about all that! I just thought he was the guy that, you know, did Kramer's job.

[Morris Cod]

Here's my 3 cents worth....
Top Job Kramer,the dryest wit in the house....

All the best

[Major Billy]

http://www.kramershimmy.com

Are you sure that's our Kramer?

This is what I saw on that webste:

Moore's deception works on reviewers. In fact, when Heston says he did not know about Kayla's shooting when he went to Flint, viewers see Heston as an inept liar:
"Then, he [Heston] and his ilk held ANOTHER gun-rally shortly after another child/gun tragedy in Flint, MI where a 6-year old child shot and killed a 6-year old classmate (Heston claims in the final interview of the film that he didn't know this had just happened when he appeared)." [Click here for original]
Bowling persuaded these viewers by deceiving them. Moore's creative skills are used to convince the viewer that things happened which did not and that a truthful man is a liar when he denies them.

[prewitt81]

Positive.

From http://www.kramershimmy.com/bio.html

April 2004 - Began working for James Randi at JREF investigating paranormal claims, extolling virtues of critical thinking.

Is there something about pointing out a lie Michael Moore told that would make this man not "our Kramer?"

[Paul C. Anagnostopoulos]

Kramer, so long and thanks for all the fits. Some of those applicants deserve a good shellacking. It will be tough to replace you.

Good luck, man.

~~ Paul

[rjh01]

Tough? How about nearly impossible? Kramer will be the benchmark which all others will be measured. Any differences will be stated as weaknesses. The person will receive criticism from all quarters. He will not last long.