Mike Price..Head Coach Of "Alabama" Crimson Tide Football..fired... [Archive]

corplinx

3rd May 2003, 03:27 PM

Originally posted by Jedi Knight
...because he went to a "topless bar"!

More matriarchal cultural terrorism run amok. Men can't even visit legal businesses inside the United States without losing their jobs now. But what do you expect from leftist universities.

JK

Most southern strip joints are more like brothels. In Alabama, they expect you to conduct yourself as a gentleman when you are the coach of the Tide. Despite being called "gentleman's clubs", there aren't men dressed in matching wool suits playing chess inside. Right to hire, right to fire.

The Central Scrutinizer

3rd May 2003, 04:03 PM

DavidJames

3rd May 2003, 04:13 PM

"Anyone see a pattern here??"

Raises hand.

Jedi Knight

3rd May 2003, 06:57 PM

Originally posted by corplinx
Right to hire, right to fire.

....unless it is a trans-sexual in California applying at your business for a job. Then you, as the business owner, have no rights.

JK

Tricky

3rd May 2003, 08:10 PM

As a graduate of the University of Alabama, I think that most people don't realize how being the football coach there is not just a job. It is a lifestyle. The coach is not just a teacher, but a role model. He also must be a successful role model (they threw bricks through Bill Curry's window for having a losing season). College football in Alabama is a religion, and having Price do what he did was tantamount to the scandal of pedophile priests.

I grew up in Alabama and as a U of A graduate, I admit that football is in my blood. (C'mon Wolverine... Wanna talk national championships?) But even while I was going to school there, I recognized the fanatic nature of many of the 'Bama fans. It is WAY out of hand. That is why the school is on probation now (boosters trying to "help" the team).

When Price took the job, he must have realized that this was more than a coaching position. Every detail of his life was going to be examined in minute detail. A small indiscretion could be a big problem, so a major indiscretion like this one is simply unforgivable.

Believe, me Jedi, this has nothing to do with Matriarchal Tolalitariansm. It is a case of Gridironacal Totalitarianism, with a strong slice of Bible Beltism.

Jedi Knight

3rd May 2003, 08:22 PM

Originally posted by Tricky
As a graduate of the University of Alabama, I think that most people don't realize how being the football coach there is not just a job. It is a lifestyle. The coach is not just a teacher, but a role model. He also must be a successful role model (they threw bricks through Bill Curry's window for having a losing season). College football in Alabama is a religion, and having Price do what he did was tantamount to the scandal of pedophile priests.

I grew up in Alabama and as a U of A graduate, I admit that football is in my blood. (C'mon Wolverine... Wanna talk national championships?) But even while I was going to school there, I recognized the fanatic nature of many of the 'Bama fans. It is WAY out of hand. That is why the school is on probation now (boosters trying to "help" the team).

When Price took the job, he must have realized that this was more than a coaching position. Every detail of his life was going to be examined in minute detail. A small indiscretion could be a big problem, so a major indiscretion like this one is simply unforgivable.

Believe, me Jedi, this has nothing to do with Matriarchal Tolalitariansm. It is a case of Gridironacal Totalitarianism, with a strong slice of Bible Beltism.

I love Crimson Tide Football. They are one of the only teams I watch.

That said, it is not illegal to go into a topless bar. They are businesses. You cannot lose your job going into a topless bar.

Think about the importance of my thread here. This week we have gay legislatures in California saying they are making new laws making trans-sexual job hunting a "civil right", where employers are "forced" to hire them wherever and whenever a "trans-sexual" wants a job, but a football coach loses his because he goes to have a drink in a topless bar when he is off work?

You have got to be kidding me!

JK

Bjorn

3rd May 2003, 08:25 PM

Originally posted by Tricky
Believe, me Jedi, this has nothing to do with Matriarchal Tolalitariansm. It is a case of Gridironacal Totalitarianism, with a strong slice of Bible Beltism. How could a visit to a topless bar have anything to do with Matriarchal Totaliarianism?

If it was so totalitarian, wouldn't the only topless bars be for women watching men? :p

On another note, I am a (small) business owner in California, and nothing prohibits me from having 'easy hire, easy fire' contracts with people working for me. Even if they are trans-sexuals. ;)

Bjorn

3rd May 2003, 08:34 PM

Originally posted by Jedi Knight
That said, it is not illegal to go into a topless bar. They are businesses. You cannot lose your job going into a topless bar...... reports that the night before a recent pro-am golf tournament in Pensacola, Fla., Price spent $200 on drinks and tips at a strip club and then had about $1,000 in food and drink charged to his bill by a woman staying in his hotel room. Going into a topless bar? Seems like he went into more than that ... :p

JK, check the story before you post, please? ;)

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/football/sec/2003-05-03-price-fired_x.htm

Jedi Knight

3rd May 2003, 08:34 PM

Originally posted by Bjorn
How could a visit to a topless bar have anything to do with Matriarchal Totaliarianism?

If it was so totalitarian, wouldn't the only topless bars be for women watching men? :p

On another note, I am a (small) business owner in California, and nothing prohibits me from having 'easy hire, easy fire' contracts with people working for me. Even if they are trans-sexuals. ;)

How can it have anything to do with matriarchal totalitarianism? I am so glad you asked Bjorn and have been waiting patiently for that very question.

On almost every American university there is a Department of Women's Studies. These departments are majorly noisy, and I bet when they heard about Price's trip to the topless bar they went berzerk because it is "offensive" to women for male faculty to visit topless bars and "get caught".

Price even said he tried to get a hearing with the board of governors at the university and they refused. They didn't even let the guy tell his side of the story.

I think it was matriarchal totalitarian pressure, but since Mr. Price won't get the facts, neither will we and it will just be speculation like it is now.

But the guy should not have lost his job for doing a legal activity.

JK

Jedi Knight

3rd May 2003, 08:36 PM

Originally posted by Bjorn
Going into a topless bar? Seems like he went into more than that ... :p

JK, check the story before you post, please? ;)

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/football/sec/2003-05-03-price-fired_x.htm

So he had a few pieces of pizza and some beer? :eek:

He lost his job because of that?

JK

Bjorn

3rd May 2003, 08:44 PM

Originally posted by Jedi Knight

So he had a few pieces of pizza and some beer? :eek:

He lost his job because of that?

JK $1,000 buys you more than a pizza, JK.

And he had been warned:

"Coach Price had been warned several weeks before about his public conduct," Witt said Saturday. "His conduct in Florida was not consistent with the warning he received." Whores, drinking, not fitting the image he was supposed to create.

The guys that fired him were all men. Totalitarian patriarchal rightism, anyone? :p

Pyrrho

3rd May 2003, 08:47 PM

Originally posted by Jedi Knight
So he had a few pieces of pizza and some beer? :eek:

He lost his job because of that?

JK
Probably because he let some woman buy $1,000 worth of room service. His bosses noticed that he'd fallen victim to a matriarchal totalitarian feminazi and, well, you know.

Seriously, in essence, yes, he was fired for having pizza and beer.

When Alabama's new president, Robert Witt, was hired in March, he vowed to change the school's party image. Two months later, he fired football coach Mike Price after Price had received a previous warning about his public behavior.

...

When Witt was hired two months ago from the University of Texas Arlington, he said he wanted to change the image of the school which is regularly ranked among the nation's top 10 party schools. His first day on campus was one day after Price began spring football practice.

As they used to say, "there's a new pair of pants in the saddle" at Alabama.

Jedi Knight

3rd May 2003, 09:25 PM

Originally posted by Bjorn
$1,000 buys you more than a pizza, JK.

And he had been warned:

Whores, drinking, not fitting the image he was supposed to create.

The guys that fired him were all men. Totalitarian patriarchal rightism, anyone? :p

He was a masculine male who paid $1,000 for a party and he got fired for it.

He did nothing wrong, legally or otherwise. When I was a kid I wish I had football coaches spending 1k on parties for us lol. That would have rocked because it would have been nothing more than a fun party.

But now in America men like Price just get fired for it.

JK

Wolverine

3rd May 2003, 09:45 PM

Originally posted by Tricky
(C'mon Wolverine... Wanna talk national championships?)

Sure, as long as they're recognized. Perhaps we can also discuss the winningest football program in collegiate history. ;)

It is a case of Gridironacal Totalitarianism, with a strong slice of Bible Beltism.

It's a case of utter stupidity on Price's behalf. I'm also now hearing allegations from a reliable source about Price providing alcohol to players on a specific occasion. Way to keep a low profile at a program already mired in shady dealings and NCAA sanctions.

The entire event was also handled miserably by the school. I really feel for the kids that were put in an awkward position they never should have had to face. Bama should have addressed this all behind closed doors, then made an official announcement rather than having Price, his wife, and the players sit there in full view of the world while the hammer was about to fall. The players deserved better.

Originally posted by Jedi Knight
You cannot lose your job going into a topless bar.

Oh yes you can. Price had previously been warned about his behavior (http://espn.go.com/ncf/news/2003/0503/1548767.html) prior to this indiscretion, and the following condition was placed upon his employment:

The deal had a clause saying he could be fired for any behavior "that brings (the) employee into public disrepute, contempt, scandal, or ridicule or that reflects unfavorably upon the reputation or the high moral or ethical standards of the University."

He did nothing wrong, legally or otherwise.

Wrong. See above.

A further chronicle of events is available here (http://www.al.com/alabamafootball/info.ssf?resources/saying.html) and here (http://www.finebaum.com/).

Jedi Knight

3rd May 2003, 10:12 PM

Originally posted by Wolverine

Sure, as long as they're recognized. Perhaps we can also discuss the winningest football program in collegiate history. ;)

It's a case of utter stupidity on Price's behalf. I'm also now hearing allegations from a reliable source about Price providing alcohol to players on a specific occasion. Way to keep a low profile at a program already mired in shady dealings and NCAA sanctions.

The entire event was also handled miserably by the school. I really feel for the kids that were put in an awkward position they never should have had to face. Bama should have addressed this all behind closed doors, then made an official announcement rather than having Price, his wife, and the players sit there in full view of the world while the hammer was about to fall. The players deserved better.

Oh yes you can. Price had previously been warned about his behavior (http://espn.go.com/ncf/news/2003/0503/1548767.html) prior to this indiscretion, and the following condition was placed upon his employment:

Wrong. See above.

A further chronicle of events is available here (http://www.al.com/alabamafootball/info.ssf?resources/saying.html) and here (http://www.finebaum.com/).

"High moral and ethical standards of the university?"

Go the UA campus on any weekend and you will see activity there that would make the Hells Angels envious.

But Price throws a "pizza party" and he is a bad guy and deserves to be fired? The rest of the school can party until their brains explode seven days a week, but Price can't buy a Dominos pizza and a six-pack for his team?

Huh?

JK

Wolverine

3rd May 2003, 10:52 PM

If you actually followed Crimson Tide football, you'd understand.

Baker

3rd May 2003, 11:09 PM

Originally posted by Wolverine

Oh yes you can. Price had previously been warned about his behavior (http://espn.go.com/ncf/news/2003/0503/1548767.html) prior to this indiscretion, and the following condition was placed upon his employment:

Originally posted by Jedi Knight

He did nothing wrong, legally or otherwise.

Originally posted by Wolverine

Wrong. See above.

A further chronicle of events is available here (http://www.al.com/alabamafootball/info.ssf?resources/saying.html) and here (http://www.finebaum.com/).

What is the illegal activities that I should be looking for in these articles?

Jedi Knight

3rd May 2003, 11:18 PM

Originally posted by Wolverine
If you actually followed Crimson Tide football, you'd understand.

Oh, but I do follow it. So what's your point?

JK

Wolverine

3rd May 2003, 11:21 PM

Originally posted by Baker
What is the illegal activities that I should be looking for in these articles?

I never stated Price did anything illegal (although that possibility cannot be ruled out at this point). He violated one of the conditions of his employment, and was terminated as a result.

Wolverine

3rd May 2003, 11:38 PM

Originally posted by Jedi Knight
Oh, but I do follow it. So what's your point?

As Tricky alluded to before, the head coach's position at the University of Alabama is more than just a job. University President Witt expressed precisely that in his statement today concerning the BOT's decision:

A leadership position at The University of Alabama is a position of great honor and responsibility. When you accept the honor, you also accept the responsibility. That responsibility includes conducting your life in accord with appropriate standards of professional and personal conduct. Coach Price did not meet this responsibility despite being warned about his public behavior before the incidents in Pensacola, Florida occurred.

Cry leftist matriarchal totalitarianism all you wish, but that's not relevant to this case whatsoever. If you really followed and understood Bama football, you wouldn't need to ask the questions you have... unless you just wanted to grind your axe.

Tricky

4th May 2003, 01:05 AM

Originally posted by Jedi Knight

"High moral and ethical standards of the university?"

Go the UA campus on any weekend and you will see activity there that would make the Hells Angels envious.
Really Jedi? I spent 5+ years there and I saw nothing that would be considered unusual for any college campus. Yes, it was a bit mor free-wheeling than the State of Alabama in general, but hell, so is Iran.:D However I assure you that I never saw any professors at our orgies. :D

Originally posted by Jedi Knight
But Price throws a "pizza party" and he is a bad guy and deserves to be fired? The rest of the school can party until their brains explode seven days a week, but Price can't buy a Dominos pizza and a six-pack for his team?

'Cept he tried to put it on his expense account. If he had just paid for it with his own money, probably nobody would have made a peep. Might have made for some good "tell all" books to come out later, but he wouldn't have been fired. Really this whole business is more about expense account abuse than any morality issues.

Tricky

4th May 2003, 01:19 AM

Originally posted by Wolverine
Sure, as long as they're recognized. Perhaps we can also discuss the winningest football program in collegiate history. ;)
Sure. You wanna talk number of games won, or winning percentage? Older scools have of course played more games , and as everyone knows, college football records are meaningless as long as they keep adding games to the season. All records should be measured in "average per game", but of course that keeps them from setting "new season records" every year. However, "national championships per season" remain fairly constant, as very few teams win more than one national championship per season.

Sorry Wolvie. Michigan is in the second tier of great football programs throughout history. I admit, they're better now than they used to be. But of course, it's fairly easy being a big fish in a little pond like the Big Ten, also known as "The Conference That Can't Count". (They have eleven teams, for anyone who doesn't get the joke)

Wolverine

4th May 2003, 01:23 AM

Originally posted by Tricky
Really this whold business is more about expense account abuse than any morality issues.

LOL :D I disagree.

CNN/SI's Mike Fish nailed it:

Something needs to be said for private acts having public consequences. If you’ve signed on as the moral compass for 85 recruits, a major public university and a legion of fans, you can’t be acting the part of a refugee from Luther Campbell’s ultimate freak party. Your players can slide by, Coach. You can’t.

schplurg

4th May 2003, 01:59 AM

The whole thing seems rather silly, however if he signed a contract, he's screwed. And stupid.

Wolverine

4th May 2003, 02:59 AM

Originally posted by Tricky
Sure. You wanna talk number of games won, or winning percentage?

All-Time Wins:

1) Michigan 823

2) Notre Dame 791

3) Nebraska 779

4) Texas 766

5) Alabama 754

Winning %:

1) Notre Dame .74977

2) Michigan .74557

3) Alabama .71739

:p

Pyrrho

4th May 2003, 06:58 AM

Originally posted by Jedi Knight
Oh, but I do follow it. So what's your point?

JK
Y'know, the reason Price was fired is as American as apple pie: Price's boss gave him direct orders. Price ignored his boss. His boss fired him. Case closed.

Tricky

4th May 2003, 09:23 AM

Originally posted by Wolverine

All-Time Wins:

1) Michigan 823

2) Notre Dame 791

3) Nebraska 779

4) Texas 766

5) Alabama 754

Winning %:

1) Notre Dame .74977

2) Michigan .74557

3) Alabama .71739

:p
National championships
Notre Dame – 8
Oklahoma – 7
Alabama – 7
Miami, Fla – 5
Minnesota – 5
Southern Cal – 5
Nebraska – 4
Ohio State – 4
Michigan – 2,
Florida State – 2
Michigan State – 2
Tennessee – 2
Penn State – 2
:p

Jedi Knight

4th May 2003, 09:34 AM

Originally posted by pyrrho2000

Y'know, the reason Price was fired is as American as apple pie: Price's boss gave him direct orders. Price ignored his boss. His boss fired him. Case closed.

If Price was a cross-dressing trans-sexual gay of some type we wouldn't even be having this discussion.

But since Price was a heterosexual masculine white male, naturally not only was he fired but paraded in the press on the alter of leftist destruction of the nation-state.

Screw Alabama Football. I will never watch those commies again. Also, a little divestiture at Alabama would do those commies some good.

JK

Tricky

4th May 2003, 09:42 AM

Originally posted by Jedi Knight

If Price was a cross-dressing trans-sexual gay of some type we wouldn't even be having this discussion.

But since Price was a heterosexual masculine white male, naturally not only was he fired but paraded in the press on the alter of leftist destruction of the nation-state.

Screw Alabama Football. I will never watch those commies again. Also, a little divestiture at Alabama would do those commies some good.

JK
Oh, Jedi, you are such a hoot. If you called one of those guys a communist to their faces you would be full of buckshot before you could pronounce the last syllable of "communist" (and my brother-in-law would be holding the gun). Alabama is one of the most right-wing states you will ever see. Remember they are the ones who want to erect the "Ten Commandments" monument in front of the courthouse? This is a state where "He needed killin' " is a valid legal defense.

There is about as much chance of an Alabama football coach being a gay cross-dresser as there is of you being a gay cross-dresser. Hmm. Well, maybe it is possible!:D

Jedi Knight

4th May 2003, 10:20 AM

Originally posted by Tricky

Oh, Jedi, you are such a hoot. If you called one of those guys a communist to their faces you would be full of buckshot before you could pronounce the last syllable of "communist" (and my brother-in-law would be holding the gun). Alabama is one of the most right-wing states you will ever see. Remember they are the ones who want to erect the "Ten Commandments" monument in front of the courthouse? This is a state where "He needed killin' " is a valid legal defense.

There is about as much chance of an Alabama football coach being a gay cross-dresser as there is of you being a gay cross-dresser. Hmm. Well, maybe it is possible!:D

Those tobacco-chewing, pickup truck driving, country-music listening, beer-keg drinking, sister-kissing, possum road-kill eating, rebel flag waving hicks in Alabama wouldn't know a communist if Lenin spiked them through the head with a hammer and sickle.

JK

Tricky

4th May 2003, 11:14 AM

Originally posted by Jedi Knight

Those tobacco-chewing, pickup truck driving, country-music listening, beer-keg drinking, sister-kissing, possum road-kill eating, rebel flag waving hicks in Alabama wouldn't know a communist if Lenin spiked them through the head with a hammer and sickle.

JK
Huh? You just said they are commies! How can they be commies if they don't even know what commies are? Leftists rebel hicks! Now that's an interesting combination.:D

Wolverine

4th May 2003, 08:07 PM

Originally posted by Tricky

National championships
Notre Dame – 8
Oklahoma – 7
Alabama – 7
Miami, Fla – 5
Minnesota – 5
Southern Cal – 5
Nebraska – 4
Ohio State – 4
Michigan – 2,
Florida State – 2
Michigan State – 2
Tennessee – 2
Penn State – 2
:p

LOL!!! What'd ya do, remote-view a statbook? :D
Let's try again:

(Current 1-A in bold)

Recognized National Championships:

1) Yale - 18

2) Princeton - 15

3) Notre Dame - 11

4) Alabama - 10

5) Harvard - 8

T6) Oklahoma - 7

Southern California - 7

7) Minnesota - 6

T8) Miami - 5

Michigan - 5

Nebraska - 5

Ohio State - 5

Oh, and as long as we're speaking of statistics...

Alabama:
# of NCAA sanctions since 1992: 3
Currently on probation: Yes.
# of major NCAA infractions since 1953: 3
NCAA "Repeat Offender" status: Yes.

Michigan:
# of NCAA sanctions since 1992: 0
Currently on probation: No.
# of major NCAA infractions since 1953: 0
NCAA "Repeat Offender" status: No.

Baker

4th May 2003, 11:40 PM

Wolverine

5th May 2003, 04:11 AM

Well, Baker, just so you don't feel left out...

Oklahoma:
# of major NCAA infractions since 1953: 5

Hey, at least you edge 'Bama at something.

*snicker*

Tmy

5th May 2003, 05:44 AM

It was the Alabaman far right neo-confederate red neck nazi's that got Price fired just because he's a yankee.

pgwenthold

5th May 2003, 07:15 AM

Since I don't read JK's looney ramblings, will someone please tell me why he has "Alabama" in quotation marks?

Wolverine

5th May 2003, 07:20 AM

I wondered the same thing.

*shrug*

glee

5th May 2003, 08:52 AM

Originally posted by Jedi Knight

If Price was a cross-dressing trans-sexual gay of some type we wouldn't even be having this discussion.

JK

Do you mean he wouldn't have been offered the job in the first place?
Or that if he had kept it secret, he would have been fired as soon as they found out?

I have this vision of a gay man dressed as a woman walking into a University in Alabama and applying for a job as Head football coach.
...
No, he wouldn't get it.

glee

5th May 2003, 08:57 AM

Originally posted by corplinx (bolding mine)
Most southern strip joints are more like brothels. In Alabama, they expect you to conduct yourself as a gentleman when you are the coach of the Tide. Despite being called "gentleman's clubs", there aren't men dressed in matching wool suits playing chess inside. Right to hire, right to fire.

Darn. that would make it more fun being a chess player!

Wolverine

6th May 2003, 08:21 AM

Originally posted by glee
I have this vision of a gay man dressed as a woman walking into a University in Alabama and applying for a job as Head football coach.

I've heard some Auburn fans say that's precisely what happened with Dennis Franchione.

:D

Crossbow

6th May 2003, 08:34 AM

Originally posted by Jedi Knight
...because he went to a "topless bar"!

More matriarchal cultural terrorism run amok. Men can't even visit legal businesses inside the United States without losing their jobs now. But what do you expect from leftist universities.

JK

It is high time that these type of people were actually responsible for their conduct!

All too often winning coaches are allowed to avoid sanctions because they win games.

By the way, so far I have read three different versions of this story and in each the coach said that he made mistakes. So, I expect that a good bit more transpired than what has made it into the media.

Tricky

6th May 2003, 09:06 AM

Originally posted by Wolverine

I've heard some Auburn fans say that's precisely what happened with Dennis Franchione.
:D
'Course they would never have to worry about that at Auburn. The "Department of Animal Husbandry" means something completely different at Auburn.

Wolverine

6th May 2003, 09:10 AM

Tricky

6th May 2003, 10:53 AM

This seems appropriate here.

Wolverine

6th May 2003, 12:44 PM

Serious question: will Alabama genuinely consider hiring a black head coach?

If I were Moore or Witt, I'd set my sights on Sylvester Croom (http://www.packers.com/team/coaches/croom_sylvester/).

Baker

6th May 2003, 01:17 PM

Originally posted by Wolverine
Well, Baker, just so you don't feel left out...

Oklahoma:
# of major NCAA infractions since 1953: 5

Hey, at least you edge 'Bama at something.

*snicker*

If you noticed, only one team has won more National championships then Oklahoma!
Plus Oklahoma is the winning’s team in the last 50 years.

Tmy

6th May 2003, 01:25 PM

Hey, lets compare graduation rates!

I dont think theyll pick a black coach. The alumni are too racist. They couldnt stand a northener like Price getting the job. So they ran him out the first chance they got.

Wolverine

6th May 2003, 02:03 PM

Originally posted by Baker
If you noticed, only one team has won more National championships then Oklahoma!
Plus Oklahoma is the winning’s team in the last 50 years.

Wrong on both (http://cfbdatawarehouse.com/data/national_championships/nchamps_team.php) counts (http://football.stassen.com/cgi-bin/records/calc-wp.pl?start=1952&end=2002&rpct=30&min=5&se=on&c1a=on&by=Win+Pct).

Baker

6th May 2003, 02:19 PM

Originally posted by Wolverine

Wrong on both (http://cfbdatawarehouse.com/data/national_championships/nchamps_team.php) counts (http://football.stassen.com/cgi-bin/records/calc-wp.pl?start=1952&end=2002&rpct=30&min=5&se=on&c1a=on&by=Win+Pct).

What was the list tricky posted then ok I made a mistake on the years they are the winning's team (http://football.stassen.com/cgi-bin/records/calc-wp.pl?start=1945&end=2002&rpct=30&min=200&se=on&by=Win+Pct)since ww2