JREF prize for those who will actually prove that it exists.

[Dr. A Sheikh]

http://www.nch.ipbfree.com/index.php?showtopic=585


Hans: "Well, if you can prove homeopathy scientifically, on paper, you might also win a Nobel prize. But not the JREF prize, since if you can prove it that way, it is not paranormal "just" new science."

My understanding on the above mentioned para is that JREF is offering a prize for those who will prove a paranormal thing and if you prove a paranormal thing then it means that thing was not paranormal http://www.nch.ipbfree.com/html/emoticons/wink.gif Therefore, the winning prize cannot be claimed. http://www.nch.ipbfree.com/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

Stop posting new threads you smacktard.

[Dr. A Sheikh]

This is a separate issue. I only want to post in this section. The replies are given in all other threads. All other threads are closed now. Just post in this section.

[Dr. A Sheikh]

JREF prize is for paranormal things, what the prize on homeopathy was offered by JREF? what is paranormal in homeopathy?

[CFLarsen]

Only an actual performance of the stated nature and scope, within the agreed-upon limits, will be accepted.
[URL=http://www.randi.org/research/challenge.html]Source (]Read the goddamn terms of the Challenge.[/URL)


At JREF, we offer a one-million-dollar prize to anyone who can show, under proper observing conditions, evidence of any paranormal, supernatural, or occult power or event.
Source (http://www.randi.org/research/index.html)

(Emphasis mine)

You have to show it. Demonstrate it. Do you understand this?

[Dr. A Sheikh]

What is the link of the statement with homeopathy?

[CFLarsen]

What is the link of the statement with homeopathy?
Do you understand that you have to DEMONSTRATE a paranormal phenomenon?

Yes or no?

[Mojo]

What is the link of the statement with homeopathy?Try reading this (http://www.randi.org/jr/020604monk.html#8).The JREF has for years offered the homeopathic community a simple challenge — one that we also made to Benveniste: simply show us that you are able to differentiate between homeopathic and non-homeopathic preparations, by any means, and you win the million-dollar prize. By "any means," we mean chemical (qualitative or quantitative analysis), biological (in vivo or in vitro), physical (polarization, spectroanalysis, microanalysis), or metaphysical (Tarot cards, intuition, vibrations, auras, Kirlian, I Ching, guessing, spirit communication), or any other means. None of the homeopathic community has accepted the challenge. There's a message in there, somewhere.

I believe that those involved in the current excitement over homeopathy will ignore the JREF challenge. Ask yourself, "Why?"
Or this (http://www.randi.org/research/faq.html):2.3. Does (this) qualify as paranormal?

The best way to answer this is to examine this list of things that people commonly apply for.

The following things are paranormal by definition:

Dowsing. ESP. Precognition. Remote Viewing. Communicating with the Dead and/or "Channeling". Violations of Newton's Laws of Motion (Perpetual Motion Devices). Homeopathy. Chiropractic Healing (beyond back/joint problems). Faith Healing. Psychic Surgery. Astrology. Therapeutic Touch (aka "TT"). Qi Gong. Psychokinesis (aka "PK"). The Existence of Ghosts. Precognition & Prophecy. Levitation. Physiognomy. Psychometry. Pyramid Power. Reflexology. Applied Kinesiology (aka "AK"). Clairvoyance. The Existence of Auras. Graphology. Numerology. Palmistry. Phrenology.

[Dr. A Sheikh]

Do you understand that you have to DEMONSTRATE a paranormal phenomenon?

Yes or no?

I have to admit . NO.

[CFLarsen]

I have to admit . NO.

At JREF, we offer a one-million-dollar prize to anyone who can show, under proper observing conditions, evidence of any paranormal, supernatural, or occult power or event.

I'll help you, then.

What parts of this don't you understand?

[J. Arthur Hastur]

It is very interesting Dr. A Sheikh, that everytime you get stumped in a thread, that you start a new one?

Someone does not like debate and criticism, do they Dr. A Sheikh?

[Dr. A Sheikh]

simply show us that you are able to differentiate between homeopathic and non-homeopathic preparations, by any means,

Buit this is our challege too.... ;)

Why don't you not take this opportunity and prove yourself and win one million prize from mas.org

[LTC8K6]

Here, now you don't have to go anywhere:

2.3. Does (this) qualify as paranormal?

The best way to answer this is to examine this list of things that people commonly apply for.

The following things are paranormal by definition:

Dowsing. ESP. Precognition. Remote Viewing. Communicating with the Dead and/or "Channeling". Violations of Newton's Laws of Motion (Perpetual Motion Devices). Homeopathy. Chiropractic Healing (beyond back/joint problems). Faith Healing. Psychic Surgery. Astrology. Therapeutic Touch (aka "TT"). Qi Gong. Psychokinesis (aka "PK"). The Existence of Ghosts. Precognition & Prophecy. Levitation. Physiognomy. Psychometry. Pyramid Power. Reflexology. Applied Kinesiology (aka "AK"). Clairvoyance. The Existence of Auras. Graphology. Numerology. Palmistry. Phrenology.

There, now you have definitely seen it....

[LTC8K6]

One more time just to be sure non-mas-sheikh saw everything:

The JREF has for years offered the homeopathic community a simple challenge — one that we also made to Benveniste: simply show us that you are able to differentiate between homeopathic and non-homeopathic preparations, by any means, and you win the million-dollar prize. By "any means," we mean chemical (qualitative or quantitative analysis), biological (in vivo or in vitro), physical (polarization, spectroanalysis, microanalysis), or metaphysical (Tarot cards, intuition, vibrations, auras, Kirlian, I Ching, guessing, spirit communication), or any other means. None of the homeopathic community has accepted the challenge. There's a message in there, somewhere.

I believe that those involved in the current excitement over homeopathy will ignore the JREF challenge. Ask yourself, "Why?"

[CFLarsen]

At JREF

Do you understand that this is the JREF we are talking about? Yes or no?

we offer a one-million-dollar prize

Do you understand that there is a one million dollar prize? Yes or no?

to anyone who can show

Do you understand that you have to show that your claim works? It doesn't mean you can write things on a piece of paper and get the million dollars. You have to show that homeopathy works. In an actual experiment.

Do you understand this? Yes or no?

under proper observing conditions

Do you understand that the experiment has to be properly observed, and that there needs to be conditions that prevents trickery? Yes or no?

evidence of any paranormal, supernatural, or occult power or event.

Do you understand that there has to be real evidence? Not something written on a piece of paper? Yes or no?

[brettDbass]

Buit this is our challege too.... ;)

Why don't you not take this opportunity and prove yourself and win one million prize from mas.org
Many people on this forum have offered to take your watered-down water and show it has no effect on them.

You have ignored them all.

[Dr. A Sheikh]

I'll help you, then.

What parts of this don't you understand?

What is paranormal in homeopathy or which part of the homeopathy you think is paranormal in nature?

[CFLarsen]

What is paranormal in homeopathy or which part of the homeopathy you think is paranormal in nature?
Stop talking about other things. Answer the questions:

At JREF

Do you understand that this is the JREF we are talking about? Yes or no?

we offer a one-million-dollar prize

Do you understand that there is a one million dollar prize? Yes or no?

to anyone who can show

Do you understand that you have to show that your claim works? It doesn't mean you can write things on a piece of paper and get the million dollars. You have to show that homeopathy works. In an actual experiment.

Do you understand this? Yes or no?

under proper observing conditions

Do you understand that the experiment has to be properly observed, and that there needs to be conditions that prevents trickery? Yes or no?

evidence of any paranormal, supernatural, or occult power or event.

Do you understand that there has to be real evidence? Not something written on a piece of paper? Yes or no?

[Dr. A Sheikh]

Do you understand that this is the JREF we are talking about? Yes or no?

YES



Do you understand that there is a one million dollar prize? Yes or no?

YES



Do you understand that you have to show that your claim works?

YES - but we do not claim anything.

It doesn't mean you can write things on a piece of paper and get the million dollars. You have to show that homeopathy works. In an actual experiment.

But we do not claim that homeopathy does work.

Do you understand this? Yes or no?

YES


Do you understand that the experiment has to be properly observed, and that there needs to be conditions that prevents trickery? Yes or no?

YES, yes when claim something.



Do you understand that there has to be real evidence? Not something written on a piece of paper? Yes or no?

YES, but why should we write something when we don't have any claim.



over to you.

[J. Arthur Hastur]

Buit this is our challege too.... ;)

Why don't you not take this opportunity and prove yourself and win one million prize from mas.org

I need to you to prove documentation that the MAS prize exists. I do not believe that your challenge, or your prize exists.

[JohnF_73]

Seems obvious to me the guy is a troll. How come the normal rules of "not feeding the trolls" doesn't apply here?

[drfrank]

What is paranormal in homeopathy or which part of the homeopathy you think is paranormal in nature?

Basically the fact that increased dilution is supposed to produce an increased effect ad infinitum: this is contrary to everything we know about the Universe, and therefore is paranormal.

In any case, Randi opens the challenge to many branches of psuedoscience that aren't necessarily paranormal, so the distinction isn't too important. If Randi says he'll let X into the Challenge, and you know X is scientifically sound and not paranormal at all, then he'll still be forced to give you the cash upon a successful demonstration.

[LTC8K6]

The JREF considers homeopathy paranormal.

What more does the non-mas-sheikh borg unit need to know.

It is the JREF challenge, and the JREF says that homeopathy is paranormal.

So you can move on to other questions now.

[Dr. A Sheikh]

http://www.randi.org/forumlive/images/buttons/multi.gif First prove your prize. Not in the sense as it is written at your site ... according to our demand. Ok

[LTC8K6]

Non-Mas-Sheik, how can I tell if drmas has given me water or the remedy I asked for?

[CFLarsen]

YES, yes when claim something.

I don't care if you claim anything. The issue is that the claimants have to show that their claims work.

Now, since you understand that a claimant has to show - demonstrate - that their claim works, do you admit that you were wrong, when you claimed that the prize couldn't be claimed?

Yes or no?

[J. Arthur Hastur]

http://www.randi.org/forumlive/images/buttons/multi.gif First prove your prize. Not in the sense as it is written at your site ... according to our demand. Ok

I don't have a prize? I thought you were inviting me to challenge you for your prize, I fully intend to if you can provide me with documentation that the MAS prize exists.

[LTC8K6]

If you would just follow the link you were given, you could see the documents.

James Randi Education Foundation Inc. FL 2004 $2,168,624 990 18 65-0649443

[CFLarsen]

http://www.randi.org/forumlive/images/buttons/multi.gif First prove your prize. Not in the sense as it is written at your site ... according to our demand. Ok

That the money exists?

Here is a scanned copy of the "Statement of Investment Account":

http://www.skepticreport.com/images/investmentaccount.gif

You can also get it at JREF.

[eri]

YES - but we do not claim anything.

But we do not claim that homeopathy does work.

THEN WHY ARE YOU STILL HERE.

[Dr. A Sheikh]

The JREF considers homeopathy paranormal.
.

Ok. explain how? This is your claim not mine. (be keep it in mind)

[CFLarsen]

Ok. explain how? This is your claim not mine. (be keep it in mind)

It doesn't matter! What matters is that, since they consider it paranormal, people can apply for the million.

Do you understand this? Yes or no?

Do you accept that the million dollars exist? Yes or no?

Since you understand that a claimant has to show - demonstrate - that their claim works, do you admit that you were wrong, when you claimed that the prize couldn't be claimed?

Yes or no?

[LTC8K6]

It is not my claim at all.

I do not represent the JREF.

It is clear that for the purposes of the JREF challenge, homeopathy is paranormal and it qualifies for the prize.

So again, let's move on to other questions.

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

Regarding your newest sigline, "Do you want to win ONE MILLION DOLLAR? Here you have a simple and fair chance >> Just prove what you want to prove anything about homeopathy and send your challenge claim along with your CV at WHCC office Pakistan. So for non of the skeptic has won the prize. Money is still pending for award. www.forum.nchpakistan.com "

Have you received any applications from skeptics?
Have you accepted any applications from skeptics?

Bolding mine.

[J. Arthur Hastur]

Ok. explain how? This is your claim not mine. (be keep it in mind)

You are still ignoring my request for proof of the MAS prize, the link in your signature does not work. It is my belief that the MAS claim is fraudulent.

Arkan_Wolfshade: I only get a blank page when trying the link, do you get anything?

[Dr. A Sheikh]

It doesn't matter! What matters is that, since they consider it paranormal, people can apply for the million.

Why they consider it paranormal? There must be some reasons?

Do you understand this? Yes or no?

No

Do you accept that the million dollars exist? Yes or no?

This exists but where? I have no problem with existance, actually where it does exist.

Since you understand that a claimant has to show - demonstrate - that their claim works, do you admit that you were wrong, when you claimed that the prize couldn't be claimed?

We do not claim anything.

Yes or no?

NO

next

[JohnF_73]

Why they consider it paranormal? There must be some reasons?

Because the currently understood laws of physics would be violated, if homeopathy worked.

[Dr. A Sheikh]

You are still ignoring my request for proof of the MAS prize, the link in your signature does not work. It is my belief that the MAS claim is fraudulent.

Arkan_Wolfshade: I only get a blank page when trying the link, do you get anything?

It looks blank to you but it is not blank.

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

Re Hastur - the link in the sig goes to their forums for me.

Re Sheikh -
From m-w.com
"Main Entry: para·nor·mal
Pronunciation: "par-&-'nor-m&l, 'par-&-"
Function: adjective
: not scientifically explainable"

Homeopathy falls under this heading because, as has been pointed out _time after time to you_ the science of chemistry says there is not enough (any?) of the MT in your dilutions to have any effect on a patient.

Contact Goldman-Sachs, or do you not have any faith in an international, well-established, financial firm such as them?

If you are not making a claim then go away.

[Mojo]

But we do not claim that homeopathy does work.You say that MAS and his associates are practicing homoeopathy. If you do not also claim that it works, you are admitting that you are a bunch of quacks.

[J. Arthur Hastur]

There, it just took forever to load. Dr. A Sheikh, you are still not responding to my questions.

[CFLarsen]

Why they consider it paranormal? There must be some reasons?

That is an entirely different discussion. We are talking about your false claim in your opening post: That the winning prize cannot be claimed.

Do you understand this? Yes or no?

This exists but where? I have no problem with existance, actually where it does exist.

Look at the scan I posted: Goldman Sachs. That's one of the most respected investment firms in the world.

We do not claim anything.

I am not saying that you are claiming anything, you nincompoop! I am using "you" in the general sense.

NO

1. You claimed that the winning prize cannot be claimed if one presented a scientific paper that homeopathy works.

2. You understand that the claimant has show - demonstrate - that their claim works.

Admitting to 2. means that 1. is false.

Do you understand this?

[LTC8K6]

drmas.org & drmas.com are the links that don't go to anything related to drmas.

No matter how many times the borg unit claims they do, they still don't.

[J. Arthur Hastur]

My attempts to find out ANYTHING about the alleged MAS Challenge. Riveting:

http://www.nch.ipbfree.com/index.php?showtopic=659

[Nyarlathotep]

Sheikh, this has got to take the cake for the most silly criticism of the prize yet. Your little semantics game is pathetic. The process to claim the prize is simple.

1) Apply to the JREF with a specific claim of something you think you can do. If they agree that your claim is a paranormal one (and most homeopathic claims would) then we move to step 2.

2) Work with the JREF to make a mutually agreeable test protocol. This protocol will include a specific result that, if met, is considered a passing result.

3) Perform the test. You'll have to do it once as a preliminary test and one more time for the JREF itself, but in all cases, once the test has been agreed on it is only the results that matter not some sily semantic game over the definition of 'paranormal'. If you get the results you yourself claim to be able to acheive, you win.

Note that the only time the definition of the word 'paranormal' comes into it is in determining whether the claim will be tested or not. Considering that claims ARE in fact tested, then obviously some claims do meet the definition of paranormal. Which makes a criticism of the prize on those grounds a pretty sill thing.

[drkitten]

1. You claimed that the winning prize cannot be claimed if one presented a scientific paper that homeopathy works.

2. You understand that the claimant has show - demonstrate - that their claim works.

Admitting to 2. means that 1. is false.

Do you understand this?

Be fair, Claus.

Randi, like everyone else with an ounce of sense, can update his opinion of what is and isn't paranormal based on scientific evidence. Let's suppose for a moment that I've got a paper coming out in Science next week (oh, how I wish), entitled "A Controlled Demonstration of Long-Distance Telepathy Under Rigorous Conditions," which details a Randi-like test where some colleagues of mine in Oxford were able to transmit words "via thought" to other colleagues of mine in San Francisco, California, under appropriately controlled and cheat-proof conditions.

At this point, Randi would be well within his rights to update the Challenge Rules to exclude telepathy.

I doubt that would happen immediately -- Randi's dealt with too many "scientific" frauds and fakers. His initial reaction -- justifiably -- would probably be that I myself am a fraud and a faker, and if I got enough press, I'd probably get a phone call from him inviting me to come to Florida and demonstrate my methods to him. But if I -- and enough other people -- can get the same finding, eventually we'd realize that telepathy wasn't "paranormal" and he'd drop telepathy from being eligible for the Challenge.

The key thing to remember is Paranormal is whatever you and Randi can agree it is, before the test begins. If he agrees up-front that the ability to identify CDs with the labels covered is paranormal, then he doesn't get to back out on that when it turns out not to be paranormal.

[Belz...]

Seems obvious to me the guy is a troll. How come the normal rules of "not feeding the trolls" doesn't apply here?

Feeding the trolls is fun because then they grow fat and become interesting big game.

What's for dinner ?

[Belz...]

Why they consider it paranormal? There must be some reasons?

This was explained to you. Homeopathy works against all known laws of physics... nay... logic, that we know of. It's PARAnormal.

[LTC8K6]

Randi, like everyone else with an ounce of sense, can update his opinion of what is and isn't paranormal based on scientific evidence.

It will not be updated in the middle of a test, or at the end of a test, in order to deny the prize. This is well understood.

If Sheikhmas can prove hpathy works to the JREF, 2 things at least will happen. Sheikhmas will have the money, and hpathy will no longer be paranormal.

[CFLarsen]

The key thing to remember is Paranormal is whatever you and Randi can agree it is, before the test begins. If he agrees up-front that the ability to identify CDs with the labels covered is paranormal, then he doesn't get to back out on that when it turns out not to be paranormal.

That's exactly what I'm saying.

[Hastur]

We do not claim anything.

But we do not claim that homeopathy does work.

You and your hive mind's threads say otherwise.

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

My attempts to find out ANYTHING about the alleged MAS Challenge. Riveting:

http://www.nch.ipbfree.com/index.php?showtopic=659


Nice catch. The monkey will be taking a break from my sig for a while so I can make others aware of this. :)

[J. Arthur Hastur]

Thanks, it was too easy.

[aggle-rithm]

What is the link of the statement with homeopathy?

Assuming Sheikh ever went to college, he must have been a joy to his professors. "How do I do research? Who will go to the library and get the books I need? Who will perform my experiment?" etc.....

[Gr8wight]

But we do not claim that homeopathy does work.

So you agree that homeopathic remedies have absolutely no effect on the human body?

[Mojo]

My attempts to find out ANYTHING about the alleged MAS Challenge. Riveting:

http://www.nch.ipbfree.com/index.php?showtopic=659Posted by Dr. Sajid on the above thread:
You made the post where sheikh (atomic energy employee) pasted this link Who else finds this rather disturbing...

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

Who else finds this rather disturbing...

Welllllll, I suppose if you were a janitor at a nuclear power plant you coooould call yourself an atomic energy employee.

[Mojo]

I suppose Homer Simpson is in similar employment, and it's he's not that much smarter than Sheikh.

[J. Arthur Hastur]

As a PS my e-mails to the persons mentioned by the somewhat helpful Dr. Sajid, have not been returned as of yet. I don't think I'll be getting the million dollars :(

[Johnny Pixels]

Who else finds this rather disturbing...

I guess then A stands for Atomic then.

Hmm, Doctor Atomic, now there's a villian if ever I saw one.

[AnotherSillyAlias]

You say that MAS and his associates are practicing homoeopathy. If you do not also claim that it works, you are admitting that you are a bunch of quacks.

He is not just a quack, he is a liar and a thief. He does not claim that it works yet he sells it. This is fraud.

[thaiboxerken]

http://www.randi.org/forumlive/images/buttons/multi.gif First prove your prize. Not in the sense as it is written at your site ... according to our demand. Ok

Who are you representing there? You say "our" as if there is more than one of you.

[Ducky]

Sheikh and MAS sink to new lows everytime they decide to troll here more.

Sheikh, you are being so disingenuous on this thread it is not even convincing you are just ignorant.

Stop your fraudulent crap.

You offered a non-existant challenge for money that there is no proof for under circumstances that were fraudulent to begin with. Your offer of the prize was AFTER the cutoff you gave for the application. Your link to the challenge is to a forum that specifically states they do not officiate any challenge.

Yet you come here and attack the JREF's challenge.

You are a troll of the highest shameful magnitude.

[gtc]

Randi's $1m is for evidence of things he thinks are paranormal before the evidence is produced.

The claimant may think the thing is not paranormal and afterwards Randi will be forced to accept that it is not paranormal.

All the claimant has to do is tell Randi what they will show and how they will show it. When Randi says it will count, they simply have to show it. Then they will be millionaires.

Now is Sheik playing tricks or is he one of JREF's 'special' friends.

[Zep]

Nah. He's a ding-a-ling.

[Ducky]

He's a fraud.

Let's start a new trend.

Anyone have puppy pictures?

[AnotherSillyAlias]

He's a fraud.

Let's start a new trend.

Anyone have puppy pictures?

I can't upload pics from here but look HERE (http://www.theaerodrome.com/aircraft/gbritain/sopwith_pup.html) for a nice pic of a pup.

[gtc]

Nah. He's a ding-a-ling.

This is a purely feminish attitude.

I don't know what that means, but MAS used it as an insult (http://www.nch.ipbfree.com/index.php?showtopic=640&st=30) and it sounds kind of cool.

[Zep]

Where did he say that?

---looks---

Wow! He's added mysogyny to his list of accomplishments! What an educated, upstanding, good-mannered, all-round Rennaissance Man he isn't! A credit and an icon to homeopath twerps everywhere!

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

He's a fraud.

Let's start a new trend.

Anyone have puppy pictures?

Does my puppy count? http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v225/ArkanWolfshade/DSC00057.jpg

[Mojo]

This is a purely feminish attitude.

I don't know what that means, but MAS used it as an insult (http://www.nch.ipbfree.com/index.php?showtopic=640&st=30) and it sounds kind of cool.They seem to have some pretty restrictive rules over there:Posted by NCH Forum Administrator:
Nobody is leaving and we will not allow any body to leave.I'm glad I never got around to registering...

[Zep]

What is that "not allowed leave" comment in relation to? Is it some sort of virtual prison over there?

(Actually, that term would accurately describe homeopath thought, wouldn't it!)

PS. CUTE PUPPY!

[CFLarsen]

PS. CUTE PUPPY!

Cute schmute. Is it tasty?

[delphi_ote]

He's a fraud.

Let's start a new trend.

Anyone have puppy pictures?

Down with puppy pictures!
http://www.stuffonmycat.com/media/2/20060227-SPAT.jpg
Long live kittening!

[delphi_ote]

http://www.stuffonmycat.com/media/2/20060221-SQUEEKY.jpg
Power to the kittens!

[delphi_ote]

http://www.stuffonmycat.com/media/2/20060216-LANI.jpg
If you post puppy pictures, you are rejecting this kitten's love.

[steenkh]

What is that "not allowed leave" comment in relation to? Is it some sort of virtual prison over there?
It is the forum administrators kinda cute way to say that she supports and values the presence of skeptics.

After a nasty piece of censoring a post of mine by a moderator, I had decided to leave, but she has ordered me back, both brusquely and very nicely. I have been told that the forum needs people like me, and I am reconsidering my position. However, I do not think I will post again in the subforum where this censor-happy moderator reigns.

[Zep]

So the forum administrator has no control over a single moderator? *SNORT!* What sort of upside-down organisation is that? :confused:

Just a sec - yes, I saw before where MAS thought he could order the admin what to do just because she was a woman - the "feminish" commentary! Now I get it - the admin, being a mere woman, cannot possibly overule a male moderator, even though she has the reins of actual power! Can we spell "patriarchial society", kids??

Gotcha!

[MRC_Hans]

So the forum administrator has no control over a single moderator? *SNORT!* What sort of upside-down organisation is that? :confused:

Just a sec - yes, I saw before where MAS thought he could order the admin what to do just because she was a woman - the "feminish" commentary! Now I get it - the admin, being a mere woman, cannot possibly overule a male moderator, even though she has the reins of actual power! Can we spell "patriarchial society", kids??

Gotcha!There could quite possibly be something there. But also, the NCH administrator does show a certain lack of balls, which is not necessarily gender-related.

Yeah, MAS has really shown his character, lately :nope:.

Hans

[Jocce]

I don't mean to hijack the thread but since we're talking homeopathy and money...

Does anyone have a reliable source for estimations on the homeopathic industries yearly incomes? Total, like world wide?

[MRC_Hans]

According to one of the largest, Boiron, the market for homeopathic remedies has an annual turnover of about one billion Euro.

Hans

[Jocce]

Yeah, I saw that they themselves gathered around 350 million last year.

[CFLarsen]

Sources, you two?

[MRC_Hans]

http://www.boiron.com/en/htm/01_homeo_aujourdhui/realite_eco_homeo.htm

Seems I remembered a bit low, or my info was outdated. 1.5 billion Euro it is.

Hans

[CFLarsen]

KA-CHINNNNNGGGG!!!!! :eek:

That's a lot of money....

[Blue Bubble]

... and it's one helluva profit margin. :eek:

[Johnny Pixels]

I guess you really can get something for nothing

[Zep]

Oh no, it's not all profit! There's bottling, advertising, and shipping costs to consider! What they DON'T have to consider is quality control or additives. ;)

[Ririon]

Oh no, it's not all profit! There's bottling, advertising, and shipping costs to consider! What they DON'T have to consider is quality control or additives. ;)
Actually, quality control is important. At least outside Pakistan. My business-idea was stopped by that. I was planning to sell homeopathic sleeping medicine. (30C espresso diluted in a mixture of ethanol and water, about 50% ethanol, sold in one-liter bottles.) Alcohol is very expensive in Norway, but this way I should be able to bypass the special alcohol tax and the state's monopoly on selling alcohol stronger than beer to consumers.

BUT: Homeopathic remedies can only be sold through licensed pharmacies, and must be produced by a quality-controlled manufacturing facility. :mad:

Ririon

[Dr. A Sheikh]

This is a purely feminish attitude.

I don't know what that means, but MAS used it as an insult (http://www.nch.ipbfree.com/index.php?showtopic=640&st=30) and it sounds kind of cool.

http://img377.imageshack.us/img377/6330/ccat8xs.jpg

[Dr. A Sheikh]

John Richard B. Sc in trolling. ;) has joined the NCH forum again. on his arrival mas said the following stanza.

http://img421.imageshack.us/img421/9717/drmas2jv.gif

Translation: I am going to join the forum again with my own consent with the hope that might be you were missing. http://www.nch.ipbfree.com/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif

http://www.nch.ipbfree.com/index.php?showtopic=640&st=60

[steenkh]

A kitten! How cute! :)

At last you post something that makes sense!

[Dr. A Sheikh]

A kitten! How cute! :)

At last you post something that makes sense!

It comes to my notice that a member of nch ARTHUR posted a query at NCH forum here

http://www.nch.ipbfree.com/index.php?showtopic=659

Is he advocate?

When I am here to reply your queries then why he filed his petition in another court?

[CFLarsen]

http://img377.imageshack.us/img377/6330/ccat8xs.jpg

1. You claimed that the winning prize cannot be claimed if one presented a scientific paper that homeopathy works.

2. You understand that the claimant has to show - demonstrate - that their claim works.

Admitting to 2. means that 1. is false.

Do you understand this?

[Mojo]

It comes to my notice that a member of nch ARTHUR posted a query at NCH forum here

http://www.nch.ipbfree.com/index.php?showtopic=659

Is he advocate?

When I am here to reply your queries then why he filed his petition in another court?Perhaps you can draw some sort of conclusion from this as to the quality of your "replies".

[Belz...]

Translation: I am going to join the forum again with my own consent with the hope that might be you were missing.

Is that even a sentence ?

[J. Arthur Hastur]

It comes to my notice that a member of nch ARTHUR posted a query at NCH forum here

http://www.nch.ipbfree.com/index.php?showtopic=659

Is he advocate?

When I am here to reply your queries then why he filed his petition in another court?

You did not reply to any of my queries.

I went to the NCH forum as per your instructions. You said that I would find information on the MAS million dollar challenge there. I did not and the boards moderators stated that the forum you list is not affiliated in any way with you or any MAS Challenge.

You lied.

You have no credibility. I won't be responding to your posts anymore.The case is closed.

[delphi_ote]

http://img377.imageshack.us/img377/6330/ccat8xs.jpg

Hey! If you're going to steal my kittens, can you at least do something that makes sense with it? And maybe use Photoshop instead of paint?

ETA In the proud tradition of kittening (not puppying, you heathen!) threads.
http://www.stuffonmycat.com/media/2/20060301-PRU.jpg

[Hellbound]

Hmmm...

I take issue with your second picture, delphi.

That is, technically, mislabelled. That is "My cat in stuff", rather than "Stuff on my cat".

:D

ETA: Now if you turn the shoe upside down...

[AnotherSillyAlias]

Translation: I am going to join the forum again with my own consent with the hope that might be you were missing. http://www.nch.ipbfree.com/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif


Would you be so good as to translate this into English.

[Zep]

Actually, quality control is important. At least outside Pakistan. My business-idea was stopped by that. I was planning to sell homeopathic sleeping medicine. (30C espresso diluted in a mixture of ethanol and water, about 50% ethanol, sold in one-liter bottles.) Alcohol is very expensive in Norway, but this way I should be able to bypass the special alcohol tax and the state's monopoly on selling alcohol stronger than beer to consumers.

BUT: Homeopathic remedies can only be sold through licensed pharmacies, and must be produced by a quality-controlled manufacturing facility. :mad:

RirionOut of idle curiosity only, what is the level of quality-control required for homeopathic manufacturing in Norway?

[Johnny Pixels]

Hey! If you're going to steal my kittens, can you at least do something that makes sense with it? And maybe use Photoshop instead of paint?

ETA In the proud tradition of kittening (not puppying, you heathen!) threads.
http://www.stuffonmycat.com/media/2/20060301-PRU.jpg

Kitten heels?

[Jocce]

Out of idle curiosity only, what is the level of quality-control required for homeopathic manufacturing in Norway?

I don't know about Norway but in Sweden it is pretty much regulated and followed up with controls. You are required to follow GMP through the whole manufacturing process.

You also need to provide information about what forms the basis (before dilution) of the tincture and describe a production method that is a published "homeopathic metod" (french or german). This makes me laugh every time...

For dilutions below D4/D5 you are required to provide scientific evidence that it is not harmful when consumed.

When you market your product you are also not allowed to specify what it is for, only what is in it (or what would be in it if it wasn't diluted out of existence).

[valis]

Kitten heels?
Am I really the first one to think of it?

It's Puss in boots!

[delphi_ote]

http://photos.streamphoto.ru/d/3/d/396a313f1ff127f37ddb0acf677d1d3d.jpg

I will continue to fight for the time honored tradition of thread kittening until fowlsound recants his wicked "puppying" suggestion.

[Zep]

Go for it!

[WanderinWTF]

what is homeopathy could someone give me a brief description pls

[Ririon]

I don't know about Norway but in Sweden it is pretty much regulated and followed up with controls. You are required to follow GMP through the whole manufacturing process.

You also need to provide information about what forms the basis (before dilution) of the tincture and describe a production method that is a published "homeopathic metod" (french or german). This makes me laugh every time...

For dilutions below D4/D5 you are required to provide scientific evidence that it is not harmful when consumed.

When you market your product you are also not allowed to specify what it is for, only what is in it (or what would be in it if it wasn't diluted out of existence).
My guess is that this is the way things are done all over the EU. When it comes to the legal points of manufacturing homeopathic remedies, they are basically treated like other pharma products. I was referred to this:

http://pharmacos.eudra.org/F2/eudralex/vol-4/home.htm

Which has been included in the Norwegian regulations. Which means that the Norwegian rules might be even stricter. I quickly figured out that it was not something I could be doing in my own kitchen with some bottles and a leather-bound book..

Maybe I should be outsourcing to... say... Pakistan? ;)

Ririon

[Mojo]

what is homeopathy could someone give me a brief description plsTry asking Dr. MAS.

Or Sarah-I. ;)

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

<snip>

I will continue to fight for the time honored tradition of thread kittening until fowlsound recants his wicked "puppying" suggestion.

QQ kitten to the rescue!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v225/ArkanWolfshade/qq_kitty.jpg

[rikzilla]

It looks blank to you but it is not blank.

Wow...a homeopathic page?? I guess the more blank the page the more powerful the message?

Get a life jerkov.

-z

[Belz...]

Wow...a homeopathic page?? I guess the more blank the page the more powerful the message?

Ha!

[petre]

what is homeopathy could someone give me a brief description pls

While I'd never advocate wikipedia as a solid source for anything, it is often a useful starting point for understanding something:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homeopathy

I'd guess the content of that page (at least when I was looking at it) gives a fair representation of homeopathy as the majority of folks on this board would describe it. Note that it is flagged as a controversial topic, and that further information is presented in the discussion pages.

For a quick summary:

1. (All?) Disease is spiritual in nature.
2. Like cures like, the wikipedia example is that rabies ought to be treated with medicine derived from the saliva of a rabid animal.
3. Theory of Infinitesmals - diluting something makes its curative power greater.

So in a simple example case, someone goes to a homeopath and reports they have rabies. The homeopath gives them a remedy that started as saliva from a rabid animal, but was then put into a solution (commonly water), and then diluted 100:1 (take one oz. of solution, add 100 oz. of water), and then that is repeated 30 times (each time taking 1 oz. of the result and adding another 100 oz. of water). That would be considered a 30C preperation (C = dilute 100:1, 30 = do this 30 times). Arguably, this process could be considered equivalent to diluting 1 oz. of substance into 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000, 000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 oz. of water.

Since there are a finite number of atoms in the original substance, and you essentially divide the number of them by 100 in each step, it is estimated that it becomes unlikely any of the atoms (of the original substance) remain after about 13 steps, and all steps thereafter are simply pure water.

Normal homeopaths claim this doesn't matter, that the water has a kind of 'memory' that remembers what it used to be in it, and that's where the effect comes from.

Some strange people claiming to be homeopaths in Pakistan don't seem to agree with the great majority of folks in their own profession, and instead claim that somehow actual molecules from the original substance find their way into the final preperation. Their evidence of this thus far is:

1. Posting pictures of machines used to make homeopathic remedies.
2. Claiming that since they have more experience with homepathy, others cannot authortively comment on what happens when you dilute something.
3. Claiming convincing information is offered at various websites, but is only visible to homeopaths in Pakistan.
4. Claiming to offer an unverrified award of alternately "One million rupies" and "One Million Dollar"[sic](of unspecified currency) to anyone who will send a claim of anything about homeopathy, in addition their resume, to an address in Pakistan by March (or February) 7th, and that somehow because no one will bother to do this that their description of homeopathy must be correct.

Thus far, their arguement has been unconvincing to those debating them on the forum.

[delphi_ote]

what is homeopathy could someone give me a brief description pls

Wow. That post was actually in English with a genuine question attached. Maybe we can be friends after all, Wanderin.

Here's a great explaination of homeopathy (http://www.skepticwiki.org/wiki/index.php/Homeopathy).

And in general, if you don't know what we're talking about around here, you can always search http://www.skepticwiki.org

[delphi_ote]

Also:

http://www.stuffonmycat.com/media/2/20060303-SAILOR.jpg
http://www.stuffonmycat.com/media/2/20060127-Babies.jpg
http://www.stuffonmycat.com/media/2/20060302-MONKEY.jpg

Give up puppying, fowlsound!

[Gr8wight]

what is homeopathy could someone give me a brief description pls


Wow. That post was actually in English with a genuine question attached. Maybe we can be friends after all, Wanderin.

Actually, no it wasn't. If it had been written in English, it would have looked like this:

What is homeopathy? Could some one please give me a brief description?

Note the capitalisation and punctuation. WTF, are you listening?

[money]

Actually, no it wasn't. If it had been written in English, it would have looked like this:



Baby steps man, baby steps. At least it wasn't in all caps...

[AnotherSillyAlias]

Baby steps man, baby steps. At least it wasn't in all caps...

Maybe they've upped his meds at the special hospital and he can now recognise some of the keys on that really complicated keyboard thing.

[Dr. A Sheikh]

delphi_ote (http://forums.randi.org/member.php?u=4133) vbmenu_register("postmenu_1484024", true);
Eminent Raptureologist

Dear I am Dr. Sheikh, I am surprize to see lot of changes in my abscence. Why are you sending irrelevent pictures in general skeptic forum? These should be in chat forum.

[CFLarsen]

Dear I am Dr. Sheikh, I am surprize to see lot of changes in my abscence.

I am surprised that you have repeatedly ignored my question:

1. You claimed that the winning prize cannot be claimed if one presented a scientific paper that homeopathy works.

2. You understand that the claimant has to show - demonstrate - that their claim works.

Admitting to 2. means that 1. is false.

Do you understand this?

[Nucular]

*narrows eyes* - that's a weird post, even for Sheikhey. Perhaps he's temporarily too old to type, and so has a 'student' doing it for him for a while.

[Dr. A Sheikh]

CF few days are left. File your case for prize registration. these questions can be asked later on. Time is running on. Don't let mas escape from this offer. You can still win the prize.

[Nucular]

CF few days are left. File your case for prize registration. these questions can be asked later on. Time is running on. Don't let mas escape from this offer. You can still win the prize.
Time is running out for you or MAS to show any evidence that this prize exists, or that there would be any way of winning it even if it did. Come on, chop-chop.

[thaiboxerken]

It's too bad that this can't be settled legally. It would be very nice to see people that say Randi's prize doesn't exist have to cease and desist such activity. Dang freedom of speech, it's cuts too many ways.

[CFLarsen]

CF few days are left. File your case for prize registration. these questions can be asked later on. Time is running on. Don't let mas escape from this offer. You can still win the prize.
Provide evidence that the money exists.

And quit stalling: Answer the goddamn question, OK?

1. You claimed that the winning prize cannot be claimed if one presented a scientific paper that homeopathy works.

2. You understand that the claimant has to show - demonstrate - that their claim works.

Admitting to 2. means that 1. is false.

Do you understand this?

[Dr. A Sheikh]

Provide evidence that the money exists.

And quit stalling: Answer the goddamn question, OK?

1. You claimed that the winning prize cannot be claimed if one presented a scientific paper that homeopathy works.

I never said that

2. You understand that the claimant has to show - demonstrate - that their claim works.

I never said that

Admitting to 2. means that 1. is false.

Do you understand this?

Yes


I think, it is in your mind that Dr. MAS one million prize is very difficult to win. This is wrong assumption. This is the most easiest prize that has been offered at world level by any organization. YOu are yourself trying to make it difficult. How can I stop you. It is your understanding how to comprehend in what manner.

MAS prize is very easy. Simply tell him, what you want to prove? (Basic claim or object) and then explain it on paper how did you prove and send your claim with your personal data. The committee will award you One Million Dollar.

[The_Fire]

No. What is in my mind is that this "prize" of the MasCollective is a fraud with possible identity theft purposes....
Cough up proof that the money exists.

[anor277]

I think, it is in your mind that Dr. MAS one million prize is very difficult to win. This is wrong assumption. This is the most easiest prize that has been offered at world level by any organization. YOu are yourself trying to make it difficult. How can I stop you. It is your understanding how to comprehend in what manner.

MAS prize is very easy. Simply tell him, what you want to prove? (Basic claim or object) and then explain it on paper how did you prove and send your claim with your personal data. The committee will award you One Million Dollar.

I'll try one more time. In what currency is Dr Mas' million dollar prize awarded?

[Zep]

FYI, in another thread we discovered that the "MAS One Million Kazlotniks Prize" is in no way associated with the group NCH Pakistan, or their forum. They have catagorically denied any involvement. So any further attempts by any Pakistani homeopath poster here to refer to that forum for details will indicate fraud on their part, both here and there.

[CFLarsen]

I think, it is in your mind that Dr. MAS one million prize is very difficult to win. This is wrong assumption. This is the most easiest prize that has been offered at world level by any organization. YOu are yourself trying to make it difficult. How can I stop you. It is your understanding how to comprehend in what manner.

MAS prize is very easy. Simply tell him, what you want to prove? (Basic claim or object) and then explain it on paper how did you prove and send your claim with your personal data. The committee will award you One Million Dollar.
You are not debating in good faith.

[Zep]

Y'know... Thinking back, I seem to recall that it was actually MAS who liked to colour his posts, and use weirdo fonts and stuff. No other Pakistani homeopath ever did that...just MAS. And yet here's Sheikh doing it...just like MAS...

So why is that, "Sheikh"??

Hmmmm?

http://www.mythfolklore.net/mywiki/images/spock.jpg

[delphi_ote]

Did anyone ever suspect they weren't one and the same? If the MAS collective is willing to make socks out of us (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=39877), why would anyone entertain the notion for even a second that every one of these idiotic posts didn't come from the same idiot?

[Gr8wight]

This is all the reply Sheikh and Mas deserve: ridicule.

http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=53236

[Zep]

Did anyone ever suspect they weren't one and the same? If the MAS collective is willing to make socks out of us (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=39877), why would anyone entertain the notion for even a second that every one of these idiotic posts didn't come from the same idiot?Yeah, I know! I just want to see if Sheikh/MAS will bite! SSSSSH!!

[delphi_ote]

Yeah, I know! I just want to see if Sheikh/MAS will bite! SSSSSH!!

I will follow these instructions and vanish:
http://www.ninjaburger.com/employment/manual/ninjamask.jpg

[AnotherSillyAlias]

I will follow these instructions and vanish:


An impressive metamorphosis d_o

Scared the hell out of me.

[Bronze Dog]

Just watch out for the ninja's natural enemy: Pirates. Especially dinosaur-riding ones. And Abraham Lincoln, just in case. Especially if he's wielding Febreeze.

[AnotherSillyAlias]

Just watch out for the ninja's natural enemy: Pirates. Especially dinosaur-riding ones. And Abraham Lincoln, just in case. Especially if he's wielding Febreeze.

WTF is febreeze?

[Bronze Dog]

It's a spray that neutralizes odors. And according to Red Mage/Sosa, it beats everything. Even dinosaur-riding pirates.

[Zep]

Fabric freshener - supposedly takes the smells out of stuff you rather didn't pong.

http://www.procter.se/highres/jpg72/Febreeze/febreeze_72.JPG

[AnotherSillyAlias]

It's a spray that neutralizes odors. And according to Red Mage/Sosa, it beats everything. Even dinosaur-riding pirates.

A recurring problem in these parts. I shall certainly look for it next time my wife insists that I want to go shopping with her.

[delphi_ote]

Just watch out for the ninja's natural enemy: Pirates. Especially dinosaur-riding ones. And Abraham Lincoln, just in case. Especially if he's wielding Febreeze.

So everyone knows about pirates and ninjas (some may even know about red mages,) but what about cowboys? Cowboy vs. ninja vs. pirate!

[Zep]

The pirates of the good ship Febreze!

http://www.britishcouncil.org/kids-157x157-pirates-song.gif

[Bronze Dog]

So everyone knows about pirates and ninjas (some may even know about red mages,) but what about cowboys? Cowboy vs. ninja vs. pirate!
Good question. I've stuck mostly studying the ways of ninjas (http://www.realultimatepower.net/), and I've only recently started studying pirates. Does Spike Spiegel (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cowboy_bebop#Spike_Spiegel) count as a cowboy for the purposes of this discussion?

[delphi_ote]

Good question. I've stuck mostly studying the ways of ninjas (http://www.realultimatepower.net/), and I've only recently started studying pirates. Does Spike Spiegel (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cowboy_bebop#Spike_Spiegel) count as a cowboy for the purposes of this discussion?

Nope. Only characters played by Clint Eastwood.
http://www.gotlandstidningar.se/imgauto/2005/7/29/NU29_300_3502860.jpg

[Bronze Dog]

Clint Eastwood? Yeah, he'd at least be able to hold his own for a while.

[Belz...]

Clint Eastwood? Yeah, he'd at least be able to hold his own for a while.

A while ? He'd kill ALL of them with ONE bullet.

[aggle-rithm]

Non-Mas-Sheik, how can I tell if drmas has given me water or the remedy I asked for?

Please consult the following table for the answer to your question:

WHO YOU PAID
The utility company
HOW MUCH YOU PAID
Hardly any
WHAT IT IS
Plain old water

WHO YOU PAID
Dr. Mas
HOW MUCH YOU PAID
Great gobs
WHAT IT IS
MAGIC water!

[aggle-rithm]

I think, it is in your mind that Dr. MAS one million prize is very difficult to win. This is wrong assumption. This is the most easiest prize that has been offered at world level by any organization. YOu are yourself trying to make it difficult. How can I stop you. It is your understanding how to comprehend in what manner.

MAS prize is very easy. Simply tell him, what you want to prove? (Basic claim or object) and then explain it on paper how did you prove and send your claim with your personal data. The committee will award you One Million Dollar.

When I am told "This is the most easiest prize that has been offered", it sets off every single alarm bell in my brain. Even more than when an Amway rep invites me to lunch. Even more than when a third-party consultant is hired to "evaluate my process cycle" at work. Even more than when the elevator door opens and a man with an eye patch and a bloody ax is standing there, muttering to himself.

[delphi_ote]

A while ? He'd kill ALL of them with ONE bullet.

http://ia.imdb.com/media/imdb/01/I/27/36/68m.jpg
All right now, I'm comin' out. Any man I see out there, I'm gonna shoot him. Any sumbitch takes a shot at me, I'm not only gonna kill him, but I'm gonna kill his wife. All his friends. Burn his damn house down.

Even pirate-ninjas wouldn't stand a chance.

[Zep]

But does he use Febreze. THAT'S the question!

[delphi_ote]

But does he use Febreze. THAT'S the question!

After smoking all those dirty cigars and unfiltered cigarettes, how else would he get out the smell?

[Bronze Dog]

After smoking all those dirty cigars and unfiltered cigarettes, how else would he get out the smell?
Excellent point.

[Dr. A Sheikh]

Last date of submitting the form is matured.

[CFLarsen]

Last date of submitting the form is matured.
Huh?

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

Huh?

I think they mean March 17th for their "challenge" has passed. Good. Maybe they stop spamming that tripe now.

[Nucular]

Call me an old traditionalist, but doesn't March 17th occur on, well, March 17th?

Not that it really matters...

[Orb]

I think he meant March 7th.

[The_Fire]

Call me an old traditionalist, but doesn't March 17th occur on, well, March 17th?

Not that it really matters...

That fully depends on the homeopathic solution of your calendar.....

[AnotherSillyAlias]

That fully depends on the homeopathic solution of your calendar.....

I have the 30X calendar remedy which means March 17 is actually March 3.

Naturally I balance this by referring also to my astrological charts.

[Dr. MAS]

I have the 30X calendar remedy which means March 17 is actually March 3.

Naturally I balance this by referring also to my astrological charts.

The date is extended upto 30th march 2006.

[Zep]

The date for what?

[Mojo]

The date for what?The deadline for Sheikh and MAS to prove that homoeopathy works in a double blind test or quit homoeopathy, as they have promised?

[The_Fire]

The deadline for proving that the socalled MAS prize exists?

[Curnir]

The date is extended upto 30th march 2006.

dear Mr. MAS collective.

Show..............me................the MONEY.

[Zep]

Two hundred of these will do just nicely, MAS!

http://tinypic.com/f1jk1

[delphi_ote]

The date is extended upto 30th march 2006.
Identity theft scam didn't turn up people with a high enough credit limit for yet?

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

The date is extended upto 30th march 2006.

You really need longer to prove that you are behsharam?

[alfaniner]

So, this weekend is a no go then?

[Dr. A Sheikh]

The date is extended on my request. I was waiting for reply. Now it is cleared.

Still you have fair chance to win million dollars.

[Donks]

The date is extended on my request.

Still you have fair chance to win million dollars.
Fair? Is this homeospeak for "not-fair"? So we have no chance to win a nonexistant million dollars?

[Curnir]

The date is extended on my request. I was waiting for reply. Now it is cleared.

Still you have fair chance to win million dollars.

Mr. Sheikh.

Show..........me..........the Money!

[Nucular]

Fair? Is this homeospeak for "not-fair"? So we have no chance to win a nonexistant million dollars?
Wait - if we have no chance to win no money, then, that mean we hav some chance to win soome money with million of prizes, yes? :D

Hmmm apologies, my perversion of logic seems to have impaired my communication skills, and caused me to use the green smiley in an irritating fashion. What I in fact meant to say was

http://nch8.tripod.com/seminar/homeopath1.jpg




Gosh darnit.

[AnotherSillyAlias]

The date is extended on my request. I was waiting for reply. Now it is cleared.

Still you have fair chance to win million dollars.

Lying scumbag.

[Ririon]

Lying scumbag.
:blush: That's kinda kinky in homeospeak... ;)

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

The date is extended on my request. I was waiting for reply. Now it is cleared.

Still you have fair chance to win million dollars.

Take a hike you lying, behsharam quack.

[AnotherSillyAlias]

:blush: That's kinda kinky in homeospeak... ;)


Gack ... now I need to take a shower.

[anor277]

The date is extended on my request. I was waiting for reply. Now it is cleared.

Still you have fair chance to win million dollars.

Dr. Sheikh, I have a simple question whose answer might encourage us to apply for your prize. What is the currency of the million dollars?

[Admiral]

Dr. Sheikh, when the JREF agrees to a preliminary test, they sign a contract with the applicant that says that if the test is successfully completed, they will give the applicant one million dollars. If the applicant suceeds, and the JREF doesn't give him the million, the applicant could sue them for breach of contract.

You offer no such legal guarantee at all. Nor do you offer any proof whatsoever that the money exists, which the JREF has been happy to do. All you offer is the word of a known liar.

Give us anything credible and we may apply. For example, evidence the money exists.

[George152]

The date is extended on my request. I was waiting for reply. Now it is cleared.

Still you have fair chance to win million dollars.

Is this the homeopathetic challenge ?
The one you don't have because you can't front up to the real one?

[LTC8K6]

I don't want any homeopathic money, Non-Mas-Sheikh.

[Bronze Dog]

I don't want any homeopathic money, Non-Mas-Sheikh.
It'd be awfully hard to verify if someone does or does not possess homeopathic money. I wonder if being able to tell if someone has homeopathic money would be acceptable for the Randi Challenge.