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Arkan_Wolfshade
27th February 2006, 12:41 PM
Should skeptics be more involved in woo?

By this I mean, could our efforts to educate be more effective by being involved in woo studies rather than as debunkers?

My thought comes from a show I watched a while back. I can not remember the name :( Were there was a group of skeptics that worked with the local ghost hunters and/or ghost hunters that asked for their help to ensure that the investigations were done scientifically.

It covered basic things like: even if you take a base reading with a thermometer, if you then keep the thermometer in your pocket and whip it out to read a "cold spot" of course the temperature being read will drop (as your pocket is warmer than room temp). They also assisted in things like looking for mundane sources of EM, etc.

Now, granted, this is a tenuous position, as you don't want to lend undo credibility to the research ("omfg, look, skeptics help is, we're right!"), but perhaps we would be seen as a useful part of the process, rather than adversarial. Perhaps then we will end up with more people like Susan Blackmore who come to the same conclusions we do, on their own.

*shrug* just a random thought on a gloomy Monday.

Amapola
27th February 2006, 12:51 PM
:) I think it is a great idea. But then I see skeptics as people who ask questions, not as people who "don't believe in anything". So I see it as very appropriate to involve skeptical people just to see that things are carried out carefully.

Gr8wight
27th February 2006, 01:04 PM
People who are honestly looking for the truth would definitely do so. Unfortunately, this does not describe the majority of 'woos.'

tkingdoll
27th February 2006, 01:12 PM
Sure we should, that's what Randi and the JREF does.

Arkan_Wolfshade
27th February 2006, 01:16 PM
Sure we should, that's what Randi and the JREF does.

You know what I mean :D

In a more.. joint effort.

An example to illustrate. Sylvia Brown, fraud, not worth any effort. BFRO, worth effort.

Ducky
27th February 2006, 01:22 PM
Sure we should, that's what Randi and the JREF does.



Skeptical cooking? (http://www.seemydinners.com/)

Soapy Sam
27th February 2006, 04:34 PM
Yes. One thing you find when involved with believers is that they are as convinced of their reasoning and their methods as any sceptic. There are many identical mind states on both sides.
I have found though that some believers do not take kindly to their ideas being challenged. (Neither do some sceptics of course). And the standard of evidence they will accept - so long as it agrees with expectation- is often appalling. But again, we can learn from that too.